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Truthseeker10:
I can't see God(sun) but you said that Jesus(sunlight) is one and the same as God(Sun) and people saw him. Why are you so confused like this na?


Ah🤣🤣🤣 how can sunlight(Son), heat(holy spirit), sun itself(father) combine to be the same one Sun(God) and still be seperate Sun(God) oo? Explain.

Now you're being stupid. How many times have you been told that Jesus is God but NOT the Father? Seeing the Father in him is NOT same as seeing the Father directly after death.

They do combine to make up what we call the sun, don't they? Yet they're all separate

DaddyCoool:
Now you're being stupid. How many times have you been told that Jesus is God but NOT the Father? Seeing the Father in him is NOT same as seeing the Father directly after death.

They do combine to make up what we call the sun, don't they? Yet they're all separate

Madam show me where I said that Jesus is the father(sun) in my statement in bold below.

I can't see God(sun) but you said that Jesus(sunlight) is one and the same as God(Sun) and people saw him. Why are you so confused like this na?

Ah🤣🤣🤣 how can sunlight(Son), heat(holy spirit), sun itself(father) be Sun(God) and combine to be the same one Sun(God) and still be seperate Sun(God) oo? Explain.

gohf:
John.1.4 In Him was life, and that life was the light of men.
John.1.5 The light shines through the darkness, and the darkness can never extinguish it.
John.1.6 God sent John the Baptist
John.1.7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe.

John.9.5 While I am in the world, I am the light of the world."

John.1.2 He was in the beginning with God.

Gen.1.3 - Then God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
Gen.1.4 - And God saw that it was good. Then he separated the light from the darkness.


John.1.14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

John.3.19 Their judgment is based on this fact: The light from heaven came into the world, but they loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil.


And the light he called day, Gen 1.5
Mal.4.5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.

That Day has come and He will come again.

According of 1 John 1:5 God is light.

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

So if God is light and Jesus is also light doesn't that tell you Jesus is God?
Remember Jesus is called the true light he is not a mere reflector but the very light himself which God.
See how you think you are cunning ended up setting yourself up.

DaddyCoool:
I don't know what you find so funny.
You are asking DUMB questions simply because you refuse to know what already instinctively KNOW. Instead you're being semantic.

Bottom line: God is Spirit. YOU CAN'T SEE GOD! You can only see a manifestation of him as Jesus or as a dove or fire (Holy Spirit)

Sunlight, heat, Sun itself combine to make up the sun, yet they're all separate.

Now enough with the dumb questions

You're trying to explain the body of a truth to someone who has refused the very foundation of that truth.

It's dumb questions that one should expect as a result.

The person simply doesn't agree with the foundation of your explanation. That's why I asked for their understanding of John 1:1-14

Steep:
According of 1 John 1:5 God is light.

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

So if God is light and Jesus is also light doesn't that tell you Jesus is God?
Remember Jesus is called the true light he is not a mere reflector but the very light himself which God.
See how you think you are cunning ended up setting yourself up.

I think the best thing is to hear what they have to say about John 1:1-14


Let's hear their own conclusion from reading the verses.

Nachmonides:
You're trying to explain the body of a truth to someone who has refused the very foundation of that truth.

It's dumb questions that one should expect as a result.

The person simply doesn't agree with the foundation of your explanation. That's why I asked for their understanding of John 1:1-14

Baba go and rest. After you failed at your explanation of John 1:1 that you've been bragging about.

Nachmonides:
Good day Gohf, how are you?

Haha.

Not so, you and TruthSeeker's questions have been based on the disagreement of what John 1:1-14 says, how that the Word became flesh, and John letting us know that the Word that became flesh is Jesus, and we know from scriptures Jesus is not the Father.

You both need to come to terms with that scripture first, realise the gravity of that scripture.

Your questions/observation have been in denial of John 1:1-14

I just decided to entertain questions for the sake of it, even though the foundation was faulty.

and this is your own conclusion that contradicts the evidence present during the conversations and exchange.

gohf:
and this is your own conclusion that contradicts the evidence present during the conversations and exchange.

What is your understanding of John 1:1-14?

Truthseeker10:
Baba go and rest. After you failed at your explanation of John 1:1 that you've been bragging about.

What is your understanding of John 1:1-14?

I have asked for their understanding of it so we can see if we are on the same page as regards the foundation, before moving on. If we aren't, we tackle the understanding, on my part, or on their part.

Truthseeker10:
Madam show me where I said that Jesus is the father(sun) in my statement in bold below.

I can't see God(sun) but you said that Jesus(sunlight) is one and the same as God(Sun) and people saw him. Why are you so confused like this na?

Ah🤣🤣🤣 how can sunlight(Son), heat(holy spirit), sun itself(father) be Sun(God) and combine to be the same one Sun(God) and still be seperate Sun(God) oo? Explain.

This has gone beyond stupidity.
Let's summarize:
You can't see God directly.. BUT
at some time in the past we saw a manifestation of God in a young man and a dove - which was indirectly seeing the Father.

Sun: same way there is only ONE God made up of separate persons

Steep:
According of 1 John 1:5 God is light.

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

So if God is light and Jesus is also light doesn't that tell you Jesus is God?
Remember Jesus is called the true light he is not a mere reflector but the very light himself which God.
See how you think you are cunning ended up setting yourself up.

Even the person that wrote ho theos phos estin didn't declare that Jesus is God, you obviously don't and refuse to know nor learn the difference between theon and theos

Of course I knew you would leave everything I wrote and mention 1 John 1:5 even without looking at the context of what John was writing but he isn't the first person to refer to God has light
Ps.84.11 - For the LORD God is our light and protector. He gives us grace and glory. No good thing will the LORD withhold from those who do what is right.

Note that other versions may use God is a sun and shield and maybe people like you then would read that and start bowing to the sun. Forgetting the very commandments of God.

Do you understand this verse in Revelations
Rev.21.23 - And the city has no need of sun or moon, for the glory of God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its light.


2Cor.4.6 - For God, who said, "Let there be light in the darkness," has made us understand that this light is the brightness of the glory of God that is seen in the face of Jesus Christ.


Now this is where you shot yourself in the foot, because you imagined to yourself that I didn't know 1 John 1:5, you are talking about traps and reflectors when you are this blind

Listen, did you forget Jesus said in Matt.5.14 "You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden.

so there isn't just three gods but at least more than four, well if we count the seven spirits of God plus at least 144,000 Hebrews there's at least according to your logic 144,009 God's 😀😁

Lol even my autocorrect doesn't believe there are gods 🤣 it keeps turning it to God's

Nachmonides:
What is your understanding of John 1:1-14?

do not pour water into a basket nor give pearls to swines

LordReed:
There is no JW in Sentinel Island. And I doubt there are JW in the Amazon.

Lol
It's a Large community of delusional atheists na

Nachmonides:
You're trying to explain the body of a truth to someone who has refused the very foundation of that truth.

It's dumb questions that one should expect as a result.

The person simply doesn't agree with the foundation of your explanation. That's why I asked for their understanding of John 1:1-14

Oh that one won't work. They have changed it. They first changed it to "..and the Word was a god"
Now it is "... and the Word was from God."

John 1:1-14 NIV - 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.

LordReed:
Nope, it didn't need someone to cause it.

Stupid comment
But an uncause made an effect shey?

LordReed:
Like wars and rumors of war? Kindly tell me what period of history never had wars and rumours of war.

Jesus gave a composite sign
Why not consider the whole prophecy as a whole instead of just one

It's like you seeing a fingerprint and only trying to use one line to identify a person

LordReed:
Oga there is no evidence of a global catastrophic flood.

Lol
There is
It's you that wants to be negatively critical to stick with unproven science theories

DaddyCoool:
This has gone beyond stupidity.
Let's summarize:
You can't see God directly.. BUT
at some time in the past we saw a manifestation of God in a young man and a dove - which was indirectly seeing the Father.

Sun: same way there is only ONE God made up of separate persons

Does John 1:18 say that no one has seen God(sun) directly or that no one has seen God(sun)?

Are the young man and the dove not God(sun) directly?

Below in the screenshot is a diagram of the Trinity.
In the water analogy, we agreed that the GOD in the middle of the diagram represents (water)
The Father represents (liquid)
The Son represents (steam)
The Holy Spirit represents (block).
The three combine together to have one essence which is GOD(water) in the middle of the diagram. The Father(liquid), The Son(steam) and The Holy Spirit(block) do not bear the essence name which is GOD(water)

There is a flaw in you Sun analogy.
You said the GOD in the middle of the diagram represents (Sun).
The Father represents (Sun).
The Son represents (ray).
The Holy Spirit represents (heat).
The three combine together to have one essence which is GOD(Sun) in the middle of the diagram.

The flaw in your Sun analogy is that the person of the Father(SUN) has the same identity name with the essence GOD(Sun) in the middle of the diagram but the person of The Son and person of Holy Spirit do not have the same identity name as the essence GOD(Sun) in the middle of the diagram.

Are you implying that it is only the father that shares the identity name with the essence which is GOD(SUN)? If no, why do you not place 'Sun' as both the identity name of the person of The Son and Holy Spirit?

Nachmonides:
What is your understanding of John 1:1-14?

Oga if you are not ready to explain John 1:1-14, just rest. Please don't brag with John 1:1 again cause you failed with your analogy of that verse with John 1:18.

Truthseeker10:
Oga if you are not ready to explain John 1:1-14, just rest. Please don't brag with John 1:1 again cause you failed with your analogy of that verse with John 1:18.

Haha. Good luck.

Nachmonides:
I think the best thing is to hear what they have to say about John 1:1-14


Let's hear their own conclusion from reading the verses.

They are merely going to dance around it ad refuse to admit their inconsitence.

Aemmyjah:
Lol
It's a Large community of delusional atheists na

Aemmyjah:
Stupid comment
But an uncause made an effect shey?

Tell me you are stupìd without telling me you are stupìd.

Truthseeker10:
So Is THE GOD and GOD according to the text the same God or different God?


So is GOD nature one and the same with THE GOD nature? If yes, Explain John 1:18 use of the Word GOD.

you should go back to my previous reply and then read slowly.

Aemmyjah:
Jesus gave a composite sign
Why not consider the whole prophecy as a whole instead of just one

It's like you seeing a fingerprint and only trying to use one line to identify a person

I am seeing the composite and it is not special. Just show me any period of history in which any of these things didn't occur.

Aemmyjah:
Lol
There is
It's you that wants to be negatively critical to stick with unproven science theories

Produce the evidence then.

gohf:
When agents of darkness listen to God's word so as to readjust their lies, it's amazing how instead of repeating they bury themselves deeper into their deception. What is coming out of you just defiles you continually

I see you have changed it from WAS God to is God

So do you now agree that John said Jesus was God?

Truthseeker10:
Does John 1:18 say that no one has seen God(sun) directly or that no one has seen God(sun)?

Are the young man and the dove not God(sun) directly?

Below in the screenshot is a diagram of the Trinity.
In the water analogy, we agreed that the GOD in the middle of the diagram represents (water)
The Father represents (liquid)
The Son represents (steam)
The Holy Spirit represents (block).
The three combine together to have one essence which is GOD(water) in the middle of the diagram. The Father(liquid), The Son(steam) and The Holy Spirit(block) do not bear the essence name which is GOD(water)

There is a flaw in you Sun analogy.
You said the GOD in the middle of the diagram represents (Sun).
The Father represents (Sun).
The Son represents (ray).
The Holy Spirit represents (heat).
The three combine together to have one essence which is GOD(Sun) in the middle of the diagram.

The flaw in your Sun analogy is that the person of the Father(SUN) has the same identity name with the essence GOD(Sun) in the middle of the diagram but the person of The Son and person of Holy Spirit do not have the same identity name as the essence GOD(Sun) in the middle of the diagram.

Are you implying that it is only the father that shares the identity name with the essence which is GOD(SUN)? If no, why do you not place 'Sun' as both the identity name of the person of The Son and Holy Spirit?

Are you a small child that everything has to be spelt out for you or are you just being ridiculous?? Same John states in Chapter 14, "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father." Unless you're saying John was drunk and knowingly contradicting himself.

Look, you can’t ordinarily see spirit because it's a different dimension. It has to manifest into something you can see. You already instinctively know this. Cut the dumb questions.

Sun: the analogy is of course approximate as nothing in our existence can exactly analogize it.
But even then you'er wrong. The Father doesn't have the same identity as "the Sun" because "the sun" encompasses EVERYTHING about the sun (including rays, heat, etc), while the Father is only the sun itself. In other words ray that hits the earth is the sun but not the father, just as Christ is God but not the Father

LordReed:
I am seeing the composite and it is not special. Just show me any period of history in which any of these things didn't occur.

A composite sign is what Jesus gave and surely you can't say earthquakes or food shortages or wars and rumors of war or any of the signs should not have happened before to convince a right thinking person rather what we need is a time all these things will occur simultaneously to prove that the time Jesus talked about is here!