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Sterope:
That verse started from verse 22 and was talking about marriage and 24 clearly was talking about conducting marriage. Subtracting married women from that equation is telling you that married women are forbidden however for captives, their married status no longer holds. Now they have joined categories of people you can marry.

You have another verse of the Qur'an that says

Marry those of you that are single, (whether men or women), and those of your male and female slaves that are righteous. 24:32

You know another interesting fact: Bukhari collected over 600 000 hadiths, only 7000+ were graded!!! So no, don't come at me with hadiths ever unless you understand the complexity, the differences amongst Muslims or the Qur'an .

Have a good day sir.

Gerrard59:
So because white people - owners of the land - do it, immigrants should do it as well? E don become something to emulate?

BTW, the biggest perpetrators of child molestation are white men and they are always paraded by the police. The question is: why are the authorities lenient on this specific issue?

smokinloud:
The fact is that, the whites rape case are well documented but muslim immigrants' rape case are not well documented. Look at the chart below. The documented cases are mostly white cases while the undocumented and discoveries of investigative journalists are muslim cases.
Officially, they're documenting White cases but they're not documenting the cases of Pakistan's ethnicity because they don't want to offend muslims.
Pakistanis are responsible for 80% of gang rape case in the UK but the government don't want citizens to have this knowledge, that's why Kemi is mad.


You're ignorant.

RodgersAkpafu:
This is a lie and you know it

How can ppl who are not even up to 10% of the population be responsible for 80% of the rapes
Are they ppl with three gbolas ?

smokinloud:
Despite less than 10% of the UK population, Muslims represent 67% of terror attacks, 25-30% of birth defects due to cousin marriages, 84% of child gang-rapes, 18% of prison population, 12,000 FGM attendances a year, 44% of Muslims are unemployed, 27% are in social housing. FACT CHECK ME.

MY SOURCE IS UK GOVERNMENT REPORT.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2023-07-24/debates/03C258B1-5D37-4875-A575-204A0BFE9766/ContestUKStrategyForCounteringTerrorism2023


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-23183102

RodgersAkpafu:
67 % of terrorist attacks looks correct
May be slightly more because it's rare for other groups to commit terrorism

20-30% of birth defects due to cousin marriages which they should have stopped also looks plausible. I know of a family that has two kids in SEN on account of this.

12000 FGMs
I can believe this because I was told two years ago about a dubious practice where they trick Paki girls to "go home" to Paki and then they get forced into this shameful practice, so this could also be true

But you see that gang rape data, its a lie
44% unemployed is also a lie, but what is true is that they over represent in one form of social welfare or universal credit kind thing

Most of the data looks good
But the rape is a lie

smokinloud:
It looks like a lie to you because the rape are not properly documented... No qualm, another government go take over and expose them all.

RodgersAkpafu:
There is more nuance to this topic than you are seeing

RodgersAkpafu:
First, you are wrong about paragraph 2, the case was not treated with leniency. They are in prison, others were deported. Elon Musk and co are lying through their teeth
The Right wing is playing politics with a national tragedy. They don't care about those girls
They are just trying to rile voters up with racist bait

RodgersAkpafu:
Most of those indicted in this shameful practice are already in jail, and let's be clear, the correct definition of what most of those men did was statutory rape and grooming I.e. luring girls with gifts to go sleep with them despite them being minors.

RodgersAkpafu:
They claimed the girls gave consent, but it is clear that the girls were manipulated, and were not old enough to understand the full ramifications of what they were doing
But they are making it appear like girls were kidnapped and violently gang raped in the house for political gains

RodgersAkpafu:
Sara Sharif was a victim of something similar
Because she is a brown girl, they don't care

RodgersAkpafu:
Gerrard59 there is political and racial undertone to this mess
And the tories had 14 years to do sth, now that a lefties took power less than 7 months ago, they have found their voice

aswani:
First off, what do you mean by "not properly documented" ?

aswani:
The grooming thing was in the news when it happened, first item, front page. Like the other poster said, every single person involved has seen jail time. I also believe all councils involved have had Official Inquiry's over it, bringing in external people to conduct them, and overhauled their processes.

aswani:
The girls were from a tough background, done akrwafu on drugs, they were then plied with money, drinks and drugs. A lot of their case workers were either sacked or resigned. Thames Valley Constabulary was also indicted as a case worker had reported it but wasn't taken seriously enough.

aswani:
Which government will take over to expose anything? Is it the Tories that have been in power all this while, including when the issue cane out, that didn't do anything and are using this to try and garner votes? How many people in the Tory Party went to see the girls that were groomed.

aswani:
Another grooming gang has been unearthed on Scotland, guess what, no Muslims, just Polish people. It's not a Muslim thing, it's a wicked human beings thing.

TV01:
Agreed - and much more than acknowledged in this post

This is a generational, nationwide, scandal. And yes, some are playing politics as the Tories have been equally lax in prosecuting this, but it mostly happened under labour controlled councils. However it was raised, whoever raised it, and the motivation for it being raised are mostly mute points. It happened and should be addressed, end-of. Attempting to centre the discussion on these 3 points is obfuscating at best and essentially aiding and abetting the cover-up at worst.

This has been going on for somewhere around 5 decades. Serious, although limited action only really started less than 2 decades ago.

The point about "indictments" is at best ignorant or outright dishonest. Firstly, many of the early perpetrators will have gotten off scot-free. Secondly, many instances were covered up or not progressed to prosecution. Meaning there have been only limited indictments of the perpetrators, And NONE of those complicit in covering up (authorities, enforcement, NGO's etc.), have been held accountable.


Have you read any of the transcripts from the court cases? These girls were groomed, assaulted, drugged, raped, gang-raped, trafficked and in some cases murdered. More perversely, many victims and in some instances their parents were persecuted by the police!


Absolute crap. This story was headline and front-page for days. We saw the arrests, heard phone-call recordings between the family and police and saw clips of the extradition. The court proceedings were all closely followed on national TV.

And this case was in no ways similar. It was the murder of a child by her biological father, stepmother and uncle. Sent to school in the Hijab to mask evidence of the assaults and then withdrawn from school. Absolutely tragic, but categorically different, except for the religious and cultural background (not saying the authorities necessarily failed here and there was no mention of sexual assault, although one wonders).


Yes, there are political and racial undertones - and they are in some ways intertwined.

The labour party depend on the block Muslim vote for much of their electoral success and will do whatever it takes to hold onto this block. Hence the unwillingness to tackle this head-on.

The racial aspect was two-fold. Many were concerned about being labelled racist or islamophobic and as a result hesitated to act. There was also a keen awareness of keeping resultant community intentions in check.

Even worse, many of the crimes were aggravated by the religious and cultural prejudices of the perpetrators. Fact! The court transcripts clearly reveal this.


TV

...my apologies for the graphic nature of the attachments. I consider it right on balance as the cowardice, obfuscation, lies and smearing around this continue...

TV01:
Nope. It's been known about for something like 5 decades and only really came to national prominence around 2010. The inquiries were as much to "cover backs" as seek redress. No recommendations from the only national inquiry - 20 of them - have been implemented. Local inquires only have limited scope and powers.

No official has been formally implicated, charged or jailed - let alone held to accont - for the institutional failings. Perhaps you can provide evidence to the contrary.

Agree here. They are both as bad as each other. Equally corrupt and will always play politics first, with accountability and justice way down the list.

Yes, evil resides in all ethnicities, races, religions and institutions.

However, wherever you find Muslim minorities in the West (regardless of the major ethnicity of those Muslims), you find evidence of this type of crime. Even in India, "love-Jihad" is a thing. In Muslim majority countries it's forced conversion, forced marriage and sexual assault. Typically without consequence. Have Boko Haram returned our girls yet?


TV

RodgersAkpafu:
Saying motives for raising this case as mute is laughable
The straightforward solution to this is to bring legislation to Parliament that deals decisively with this issue.

RodgersAkpafu:
Second, Saying Labour Party depends on the Muslim vote is even more funny
In the last year election, the Muslims abandoned the Labour Party because of their stand on the Gaza matter

RodgersAkpafu:
They ran independent candidates (whom some won) , voted green Party in other instances and my girl Shabana Mahmoud (whom I really love) almost lost her seat

RodgersAkpafu:
Labour still won decisively in 2024
So that "block vote " you r talking does not exist

RodgersAkpafu:
This is primarily a case of people who have a bone to pick with Muslims and using this as a guide to rage bait ppl.

RodgersAkpafu:
Let's see real legislation if they really care about safeguarding
When you hear them talk, you hear them emphasise in the "white British girls" part

RodgersAkpafu:
Instead of deranged men abusing naive girls
You and I know why they do that
Don't even pretend

aswani:
Grooming that only happened within the past 20 years is 5 decades old.

aswani:
Also all those catholc reverend fathers, scout leaders, football coaches etc that were implicated in these kind of things, are they also Muslim?

aswani:
Were your popes and higher ups in the catholic church in the UK and US not going all out to protect their paedophile reverend fathers? Instead of disrobing them, they were reassinging them and those were just doing more harm.

aswani:
The point is grooming is not exclusive to any group.

aswani:
I nearly fainted the other day watching a program of a white UK woman whose uncle, fathers brother, not only raped her repeatedly since sge was 8, but was passing her on to his friends too.

aswani:
How about white men, like Gary glitter, that go to Asian countries to sleep with young children.

aswani:
What about the us musician, from a well known band, that was paying a woman, to allow him penetrare her one year old daughter. This happens in the last 5 to 10 years.

aswani:
It isn't those dastardly Muslims, it's those dastardly men if all races who are inhuman and sick.

TV01:
Child sexual abuse itself s likely ages old - the UK gang rapes by largely muslim males has been traced back to as far as 5 decades. It may have been smaller scale at that time, but it has been evidenced.


Nope. Mentioned them and that in my initial post on this thread. But that is known as "whataboutery". Sex crimes should be called out and clearly labelled, whenever, wherever and by whomsoever.

https://www.nairaland.com/8309906/kemi-badenoch-demands-national-inquiry/6#133658885


Not my pope, but yes, as mentioned, they should be called out and held accountable. Justice must be served. Likewise for other cohorts.


That is not the argument.


And presumably you would like to see a no-holds barred investigation and justice?

Cited in my first post. You do realise that all you are doing is being an apologist?


I recall that case - did anyone excuse or downplay it

Only in this instance, it mostly was, and should be called out and investigated shouldn't it?


TV

aswani:
Muslim rape in the UK 50 years ago, when did Muslims start trooping into the UK, have you got any information to support this?

Why pray did Kẹmi not start a national enquiry or demand one from her owl Tory government before now?

What I will like to see is a careful examination of the facts, not this sad dog whistle against a very minute minority of Muslims from South Asia in the UK.

I listed those examples so you know this is not a Muslim male issue. This is more a grooming issue, why are these girls that are supposed to be in care or known to be vulnerable ending up in a situation where they are not monitored well enough and end up being groomed for a long time?

Just so you know, that is what should be the focus of any grooming, the Asian Muslim gangs part is a reality but not as important.

aswani:
Grooming that only happened within the past 20 years is 5 decades old.

Also all those catholc reverend fathers, scout leaders, football coaches etc that were implicated in these kind of things, are they also Muslim?

Were your popes and higher ups in the catholic church in the UK and US not going all out to protect their paedophile reverend fathers? Instead of disrobing them, they were reassinging them and those were just doing more harm.

The point is grooming is not exclusive to any group.

I nearly fainted the other day watching a program of a white UK woman whose uncle, fathers brother, not only raped her repeatedly since sge was 8, but was passing her on to his friends too.

How about white men, like Gary glitter, that go to Asian countries to sleep with young children.

What about the us musician, from a well known band, that was paying a woman, to allow him penetrare her one year old daughter. This happens in the last 5 to 10 years. .

It isn't those dastardly Muslims, it's those dastardly men if all races who are inhuman and sick.

RodgersAkpafu:
exactly my position as well
People who hold such views typically view these guys "in some kind of way" and therefore beclpuds judgement.

I bet ppl like TV are amongst those who believe in the so called "Islamisation of Britain"
I won't be far off the mark tbf

"and the derangement is as a result of"?
You tell me, since you are "all knowing" lol

RodgersAkpafu:
@TV01

Just to clarify that my admiration for Shabana is rooted in her stand on issues and stating it without fear or favour

Has nothing to do with a "school boy crush"
Or "losing objectivity"
Just to point that our before you get things twisted

RodgersAkpafu:
"and the derangement is as a result of"?
You tell me, since you are "all knowing" lol

RodgersAkpafu:
The list of names are really long

There is Jimmy Saville
Torchlight thr Church of England and there are a good number hiding there
One of thr leadership had to recently resign
There is this MP too that was disgraced as well (forgotten his name)

The list is long and endless
It's just so ridiculous that they wanna give this shameful behaviour JUST a Pakistani face...
Outside right wing echo Chambers, the thing isn't working though
I live in one of the biggest cities in the North (and thos country) and judging by the general sentiment, no gimmick played by these guys will give them a single seat here
They should jkeep playing

TV01:
Within the whole spectrum of child sexual abuse, there is a particular strain perpetrated by muslim men which the authorities have failed to deal with, and have also worked to cover-up. Whatever anyone's political bias, ideological leaning or racial prejudice, this tragedy should be thoroughly investigated. Spanning decades and with with estimates from 10 to 100 of thousands of victims any attempt to downplay this is apologist.


TV

RodgersAkpafu:
Call it what you like
But we see this thing for EXACTLY what it is
An instrument for Race Rage baiting
That was how these liars claimed that the Southport killer was a Pakistani and the ripple effect set the entire country on fire through the protests of last year.
Ugliness unleashed on the street in a way I have never seen since I moved to this (lovely) country

You are only being biased
and even you know it
Nobody is downplaying what happened, and :
Calling put "dog whistling" is not being an apologist!
Calling out hypocrisy is NOT apologist

Like @aswani referenced earlier, white men are OVER REPRESENTED in the molestation and grooming of kids in South East Asia, why are they not branded. White/Anglo Saxon Abuse Gangs
They also over represented in school shootings, why are their kids not branded White School Shooter network?
But Nigerians can be branded scammers, and Pakis rapists right ?
Due to the actions of a minority
It's good ole dogwhistlimg and racism, and even you find it hard to rebut the argument that's why you skirt over it

The only area we agree on is that an HONEST enquiry devoid of political bias be done, and recommendations made and implemented
Simple and short

The ethnicities of the perpetrators AND victims is (relatively)immaterial here.
Commit the crime
Do the time/face the consequences
End of story

aswani:
Excellent excellent response RodgersAkpafu, I am not sure we'll get through sha.

Our friend has been convinced it is them and us and he is part of "Us", a shame.

Deelaw:
But who ask you all this explanations
...And besides, why are you pissing on your pants on her behalf though?

OLAADEGBU:
Kemi Badenoch slams ‘PEASANT’ cultures for grooming gangs ‘They thought they’ll get away with it’


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpLM349Eaco?si=eswbhS1YMxH18Ayt

TV01:
Agreed - and much more than acknowledged in this post

This is a generational, nationwide, scandal. And yes, some are playing politics as the Tories have been equally lax in prosecuting this, but it mostly happened under labour controlled councils. However it was raised, whoever raised it, and the motivation for it being raised are mostly mute points. It happened and should be addressed, end-of. Attempting to centre the discussion on these 3 points is obfuscating at best and essentially aiding and abetting the cover-up at worst.

This has been going on for somewhere around 5 decades. Serious, although limited action only really started less than 2 decades ago.

The point about "indictments" is at best ignorant or outright dishonest. Firstly, many of the early perpetrators will have gotten off scot-free. Secondly, many instances were covered up or not progressed to prosecution. Meaning there have been only limited indictments of the perpetrators, And NONE of those complicit in covering up (authorities, enforcement, NGO's etc.), have been held accountable.

Have you read any of the transcripts from the court cases? These girls were groomed, assaulted, drugged, raped, gang-raped, trafficked and in some cases murdered. More perversely, many victims and in some instances their parents were persecuted by the police!

Absolute crap. This story was headline and front-page for days. We saw the arrests, heard phone-call recordings between the family and police and saw clips of the extradition. The court proceedings were all closely followed on national TV.

And this case was in no ways similar. It was the murder of a child by her biological father, stepmother and uncle. Sent to school in the Hijab to mask evidence of the assaults and then withdrawn from school. Absolutely tragic, but categorically different, except for the religious and cultural background (not saying the authorities necessarily failed here and there was no mention of sexual assault, although one wonders).

The labour party depend on the block Muslim vote for much of their electoral success and will do whatever it takes to hold onto this block. Hence the unwillingness to tackle this head-on.

Even worse, many of the crimes were aggravated by the religious and cultural prejudices of the perpetrators. Fact! The court transcripts clearly reveal this.
...my apologies for the graphic nature of the attachments. I consider it right on balance as the cowardice, obfuscation, lies and smearing around this continue...

aswani:
First off, what do you mean by "not properly documented" ?

The grooming thing was in the news when it happened, first item, front page. Like the other poster said, every single person involved has seen jail time. I also believe all councils involved have had Official Inquiry's over it, bringing in external people to conduct them, and overhauled their processes.

The girls were from a tough background, done akrwafu on drugs, they were then plied with money, drinks and drugs. A lot of their case workers were either sacked or resigned. Thames Valley Constabulary was also indicted as a case worker had reported it but wasn't taken seriously enough.

Which government will take over to expose anything? Is it the Tories that have been in power all this while, including when the issue cane out, that didn't do anything and are using this to try and garner votes? How many people in the Tory Party went to see the girls that were groomed.

Another grooming gang has been unearthed on Scotland, guess what, no Muslims, just Polish people. It's not a Muslim thing, it's a wicked human beings thing.

aswani:
First off, what do you mean by "not properly documented" ?

The grooming thing was in the news when it happened, first item, front page. Like the other poster said, every single person involved has seen jail time. I also believe all councils involved have had Official Inquiry's over it, bringing in external people to conduct them, and overhauled their processes.

The girls were from a tough background, done akrwafu on drugs, they were then plied with money, drinks and drugs. A lot of their case workers were either sacked or resigned. Thames Valley Constabulary was also indicted as a case worker had reported it but wasn't taken seriously enough.

Which government will take over to expose anything? Is it the Tories that have been in power all this while, including when the issue cane out, that didn't do anything and are using this to try and garner votes? How many people in the Tory Party went to see the girls that were groomed.

Another grooming gang has been unearthed on Scotland, guess what, no Muslims, just Polish people. It's not a Muslim thing, it's a wicked human beings thing.

smokinloud:
Here's a refutations of your claims:

Claims vs. Facts

Claim: Every single person involved has seen jail time.

- Fact: While some perpetrators have been convicted and jailed, many victims and advocates argue that justice has not been fully served, and that more needs to be done to address the scale and complexity of the issue.

Claim: All councils involved have had Official Inquiries.

- Fact: While there have been some local inquiries and reviews, there has not been a comprehensive, national inquiry into the grooming gangs scandal. In fact, UK lawmakers recently voted against a proposal for a new national inquiry.

Claim: The girls were from a tough background and were involved with drugs.

- Fact: While it is true that some victims of grooming gangs have come from vulnerable backgrounds, this does not excuse or justify the abuse they suffered. The focus should be on holding perpetrators accountable and providing support to victims, rather than stigmatizing or blaming them.

Claim: The issue is being politicized by the Tories.

- Fact: The grooming gangs scandal has been a subject of controversy and debate across party lines. While some have accused the Tories of politicizing the issue, others argue that a national inquiry is necessary to address the scale and complexity of the problem

Claim: Another grooming gang has been unearthed in Scotland, with no Muslims involved.

- Fact: While it is true that not all grooming gangs involve Muslim perpetrators, the majority of high-profile cases in the UK have involved British-Pakistani men. This does not mean that other groups are not involved in grooming gangs, but rather that the UK's Pakistani MUSLIM community has been disproportionately represented in these cases.