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englishmart:
HOW DO WE EXPLAIN THIS?
Matthew 2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the prophets, he shall be called a nazarene.

There are 17 books of the prophets in the Bible:

ISAIAH, JEREMIAH, LAMENTATIONS, EZEKIEL, DANIEL, HOSEA, JOEL, AMOS, BOOK OF OBADIAH, JONAH, MICAH, NAHUM, HABAKKUK, JEPHANIAH, HAGGAI, ZECHARIAH, MALACHI.

that prophecy that Matthew 2:23 talks about doesn't seem to exist in any of the above listed books, nor anywhere in the old testament. Where did Matthew come about that prophecy?

It's either the writer of Matthew, manufactured that verse, or the reference in the books of prophets was expunged.

Dtruthspeaker:
Is it Mathew that is taking about a Nazarene?

Why do you not go and check who is a Nazarene.

englishmart:
If someone references something from a book you wrote, it is expected I find the the referenced when I read your book. It's that simple.

Dtruthspeaker:
That is why many things are Written eg only the pure in heart can see God: His Ways are not your ways etc

If you did not find it, then you are not meant to find it.

englishmart:
If someone references something from a book you wrote, it is expected I find the the referenced when I read your book. It's that simple.

achu442:
it's not all books of the prophets that is in the Bible given to you by the white man.

There are hundreds of prophetic books and prophecies not put in the Bible you read.

gohf:
Matthew made certain references that weren't copied word for word, infact some of his references were based on his understanding of the scriptures. Now Matthew isn't writing a modern day academic book and you can't compare him with Paul in terms of making references.

This isn't the first time a believer was recorded in the new testament incorrectly mentioning something from scripture but what is incorrect is probably due to human error and memory not being perfect, which is understandable.


Now like he said, the term Nazarene may have a meaning in Hebrew that is mentioned in scripture that you missed.

achu442:
it's not all books of the prophets that is in the Bible given to you by the white man.

There are hundreds of prophetic books and prophecies not put in the Bible you read.

englishmart:
If someone references something from a book you wrote, it is expected I find the the referenced when I read your book. It's that simple.

gohf:
there's that possibility because Matthew says, that the prophets say the Messiah will be called a Nazarene. For example Elijah didn't write a book, you can imagine all the things revealed to the prophets that were not written by told orally.

Now engishmart may say well something has important as Nazarene should have been recorded but it actually is recorded anyway but it is spelt with the words Nazareth.

But the phrase he shall be called **** or the one called ***** is actually there, in the book of Zechariah

Padipadi:
Probably you aren't using the complete part of ya brain.
Nazarene description was talked about since book of Judges to other old testament books.

Did St Matthew sabi ya papa?
Will you gerrarahia man. Half educated pîglét looking for how to troll Christendom.
Receive one nuke!

englishmart:
How do you quote someone and not be verbatim? Now you're saying the the writer was illiterate. Does the Bible look like a book compiled by illiterates

englishmart:
You are just escapistic. Give me the specific verse and stop being a slowpoke

gohf:
compiled by or written by are two different things.

Well you may pride yourself as being an academic that never misquotes anyone, but Matthew is said to be tax collect let's not mention others who were fishermen, Matthew wasn't Paul, and based on some records about him, he wasn't fully, a born, brought up Jew, so he may have a poorer knowledge of scripture than say a Pharisee or a teacher of the law. Not like the Jews knew all of their scriptures anyway.

Now if you can't excuse that about a person then you shouldn't be accusing them of lying when you don't understand them. So it isn't about illiteracy but about your own ability to understand.

Imagine you trying to study the standards of a book writing 2,000yrs ago by the standards of today 😂👍

englishmart:
Where in zechariah does it say "he shall be called a Nazarene?
Elijah did not write a book. Who then narrated all those stories about him? Like when he ran from Ahab, lived in isolation and was fed by a raven, the widow of Zarephath, etc?

gohf:
oh wait you thought Elijah was the one who wrote it?

Wait I thought you knew some of the authorship and writings of the scripture. Common now, did Jesus write the gospels even though their are descriptions of things he did?

englishmart:
You are just escapistic. Give me the specific verse and stop being a slowpoke

Padipadi:
Morôn

englishmart:
I didn't tell you he wrote it. I was only demanding to know how whoever wrote it got wind of those stories. Including his private stories

gohf:
I am guessing you have already tried using google before coming here with confidence that Matthew is a liar 😀😀

englishmart:
I did my research very well. 😅

gohf:
this is what you wrote, "Elijah did not write a book. Who then narrated all those stories about him?"

Well I may not understand English has much as you do but that there is said by someone who believes Elijah wrote it.

gohf:
okay then share your research and prove that supports your topic, that Matthew lied.

Someone asked you if you knew what being a Nazarene means, so you can as well start from there

englishmart:
A Nazarene is an indigene of Nazareth. And that verse was speaking about Nazarene in the context of a citizen

englishmart:
Let's not deflect. I still don't see why someone would quote a prophecy that doesn't exist. Quoting something is different from narrating a story. You quote in verbatim. Even our illiterate grandparents, whenever they quote from the bible, their quotes are correct. This was something that subconsciously stuck in their hearts. Didn't Matthew attend bible studies then? 😅😅 Or just anybody woke up without some level of eductation, or knowledge of a matter undertakes the role of writing a story as powerful as the life, death and resurrection of jesus. If I'mto go by your logic, it is therefore fair to read the book of Matthew with incredulity, since the writer was an ultracrepidarian, illierate, misfiring fellow.

englishmart:
Attack me with facts. Olodo

englishmart:
Did they tell you it was a prophecy in the books of the prophets? Do you even understand what you're saying?

AbuTwins:
The Prophecy in Matthew 2:23 has no proof from all the accepted books of the old testament!
So it can be that:
1. Matthew made a honest mistake.
2. Matthew deliberately lied to link Jesus with the former Prophetic expectation.
3. Matthew was quoting a scripture not included in the Bible today which he had access to.

In John 1:19-21,
And this was John’s testimony when the Jews of Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him, “Who are you?” He did not refuse to confess, but openly declared, “I am not the Christ.” “Then who are you?” they inquired. “Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.”“Are you the Prophet?” He answered, “No.”

So it was claimed the Jews were expecting three different Prophets, 1. Christ 2. Elijah and 3. The Prophet!