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SheikhMuniru:
Sleep!

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What of Pa Sunday Àwọn iyì and Kola Jamodu?

What of Pa Sunday Awoniyi ì and Kola Jamodu?

Konquest:
That's an impressive list of distinguished folks of Okun-Yoruba descent. I used to think the British-Nigerian co-founder of the iconic music group, Light House Family 'Tunde Baiyewu is paternally from Abeokuta in Ogun State but he's right here under Kogi State. A younger sister of his Kofo (who I know) is former President Olusegun Obasanjo's biological daughter married to a White guy. Sam Adeyemi is another surprise here... That's mad cool.


Yinka Dare (who is from Kabba but was born in 1972 in Kano. He painfully passed on in 2004 in New Jersey) played in the U.S. Collegiate basketball for George Washington University in the United States back from the early 1990s (long before we ever heard of the Bam Adebayos or the Giannis Adetokunbos of today).

Because of his very tall height at 7 ft tall, he was seen by American NBA analysts as the next big replacement for the iconic 2-time NBA MVP, Hakeem "The Dream" Olajuwon of the Houston Rockets after being drafted into the NBA, but his sudden death on January 9, 2004 at Englewood, New Jersey truncated that. Yinka Dare hailed from Kabba in the current Kogi State. He has a British-born biological older brother named Michael. I actually personally knew both of them from back in the day. Yinka Dare's commanding memories will remain.

OK, I found two good links. Read more about Yinka Dare right BELOW.

=>http://www.nba.com/playerfile/yinka_dare/index.html

=>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yinka_Dare


The iconic Chief Sunday Awoniyi who was the FIRST EVER Yoruba man to become the Chairman of Arewa Consultative Forum (ACF) in the 2000s till he passed on. His first son was also the past Deputy Governor of Kogi State when Governor Wada was in charge of Kogi State.

I also know of the seasoned TV and media personality Babajide Kolade Otitoju and a TV political analyst Gbola Oba who are both from Kogi State. The badass Gbola Oba was born in Lagos State though but is actually from Kogi.


Indeed, looking at the names here from a bird's eye view, Yoruba folks of Kogi State are NO pushovers. They are absolutely well-read and accomplished folks from the music maestro Art Alade (Dare Art Alade's biological father), to Yinka Dare of George Washington University and the U.S. NBA, to Tolu Arotile (the FIRST ever female combat helicopter pilot of the Nigerian Air Force in 2019 who actually flew on combat missions against terrorists), and more.

Thank you so very much for updating my knowledge.

demoBaba:
Their from Kabba local government area council.

No, from all the Okun local government areas.

juwonlo15:
6 local government areas is a joke to you..
We are formally in Kwara before formation of kogi.

Once you reach kogi west areas, you will definitely know you're in yoruba land.

Don't mind the hairy Emeka.

Konquest:
This will be my final convo with you on this. My time is limited right now.

For your information, CLEARLY since 1981, I've had deep insights from credible historical researches and archival materials on the cultures and histories of many major ethnic groups in Nigeria from the Edos, Yorubas, Igalas, and many more from around the world. So, you are dealing with a veteran of advanced historical knowledge here NOT a young wannabe who just copies and pastes wild speculations but gives history based on facts and credible evidence.

In my posts, I CLEARLY gave credible evidence from 5 good historical sources right BELOW numbered from NUMBERS 1 to 5 who CLEARLY debunked the Ekaladehan banished Ogiso Prince fabrication. Ekaladehan died in Ugboton based on the Benin history book from the late Prof. Egharevba.

1. The Ogiamien family sources who are aboriginal to Benin from the defunct Ogiso era. The one full page 2018 Guardian newspaper interview Weblink that I attached was a MAJOR evidence for you to read.
Ogiso and Ogiamien are Aborigine Binis while Oba Of Benin is of Yoruba origin
=>https://guardian.ng/features/ogiso-and-ogiamien-are-aborigine-binis-while-oba-of-benin-is-of-yoruba-descent-high-chief-esotericist-monday-wehere/

2.I attached the videos of a separate Benin man (Murphy) who is paternally directly descended from the Ogiso era and he ALSO said all the deities such as Ogun, Osun, Olokun, and the Chieftaincy titles in the Palace of the Oba of Benin do NOT exist in the Ogiso era but we're brought from Ile Ife.

All Benin Obas are from ile ife

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2Gf9LUr1-o

3. There is an over 2 hours video interview of a respected indigene and personality from Usen Kingdom in Ovia South West LGA EDO State who also said Oduduwa's lineage is Yoruba and NOT a missing Prince from the Ogiso era. The people of Usen all agree that they are Yorubass from Ife and Oranmiyan's older brother was the FIRST traditional ruler of Usen. This is the reason why in traditional morning salutations, the greet one another with DELAUHE meaning "How is Ife?"

The Oba of Benin is the ONLY one who is greeted with the morning salutation L'AMOGUN referencing Ogun, the Yoruba Deity of War and Iron

The respected Usen indigene ALSO said in the video that ALL the deities such as Ogun, Osun, Olokun, and the Chieftaincy titles in the Palace of the Oba of Benin and USEN where brought by Oranmiyan and his older brother Afelogiyan from Ile Ife Palace which do NOT exist in the Ogiso era but were Yoruba Deities brought from Ile Ife. He gave an example of the Benin High Chief titles such as Esogban which in Usen and Ile Ife Palaces is known originally "as Asogbon" a CLEARLY Yoruba word and Chieftaincy title.

4. The traditionally well-known Ile Ife account from the Ife Palace and academia ALSO confirms that Oduduwa was a Yoruba man from Ile Ife and NOT from a fictional banished Prince from Ogiso era.

5. The erudite scholars, Prof Jide Osuntokun and Prof Banji Akintoye also CLEARLY stated that Oduduwa was a Yoruba man from Oke Ora in Osun State who's grandson Oranmiyan left for what is now Benin via Usen to become an Oba briefly.

6. Finally, I and other historians and scholars strongly affirm that it was during the reign of Oba Erediauwa that a book was published in 2004 which WRONGLY attributing Oduduwa to be the fictitious Ekaladehan figure.

Among the Yorubas, such names with the ODU prefixes exist like Oduduwa, Oduyemi, Odujole, Odubayo, Odusina, Olusola, etc. So, the Oduduwa name is purely of Yoruba origins.

There is NOTHING absolutely wrong in the Oba of Benin linking his family history with the Ogiso era because maternally the Obas are indeed connected to aboriginal roots BUT the paternal roots if the Oba of Benin is of Ife (Ufe or Uhe) origins from over 800 tears ago and there is NOTHING to be ashamed of! Nobody can drive any Oba of Benin away from Benin like some idiots and illiterates have been threatening in videos on YouTube who the Benin guy "Wounded Civilian" angrily exposed to the whole world in his videos for threatening the Benin, Ikwerreand other people in an expansionist agenda.

I have told you what I had to tell you.
Believe it or not what I wrote earlier is what I stand for, any day and any time.
I also know that I'm probably not the first Benin or Edo man that holds this view of Ekaladeran-Oduduwa rift between the Benins and the Yorubas.
As for whether Oduduwa is Yoruba or not, I believe you know better because as at the time Oduduwa came to ile ife, they were people living there.
Let me not go into details about that now. Please, have a good night rest.

SheikhMuniru:
I disagree with you on EYITAYO LAMBO.

The Lambos are from Igbore in Abeokuta Ogun State

Pardon me on that, however, ibi Ori ba dani si, ni ese gba lo. Bi oro awon Lambo se ri niyen.
It's like Wole Soyinka, an Ijebu born in Egba, identified as Egba for much of his life until he eventually discovered or revealed he was Ijebu.
Despite that, Yoruba kan naa ni gbogbo wa Jo je. Ire oo.

Konquest:
@Doylestown92,

My pleasure... Anytime.

Your insightful thread indeed brought back memories for me as well. Especially with reference to the U.S. Collegiate and U.S. NBA basketballer, Yinka Dare and his older brother Michael Dare, who I first personally knew as buddies back in the 1980s. They are one of the finest guys of Nigerian descent and paternally from Kabba.

Have a fulfilling year 2025 ahead!

Cheers.

Most thanks to you, cheers also.

ademijuwonlo:
That's a lie

what many Kabba people have told me...they said they aren't Yoruba ans they don't like the name Yoruba

stuffs2002:

Why are you barking online like a public dog. Why can't you pass your message to him without insults.

For the records, there are not Yorubas in Kogi so stop deluding yourself.

You obvioslyy have little or no knowledge about Kogi and I know you have never stepped your foot in the state because you would have known that bearing Yoruba names does not mean you are Yoruba because I know Ebiras, Igalas and other tribes in Kogi who bear Yoruba names and they are 100% not Yorubas.

I know people who bear British names in Nigeria and that does not mean they are British.

You're not any different from the dumbo you are trying to defend.

First, I want to reiterate the fact that there are Yorubas in Kogi State. The Yoruba language boasts of a dialect continuum comprising Ẹgba, Ọyọ, Ìbàràpá, Igbomina, Ijẹṣa, Èkìtì, Àwórì, Anago, Ijẹbu, Ikalẹ, Ìlajẹ, Yagba, Òwe, Ijumu and many more.

My part of Kogi, the Okun people, speak the Yagba variation of the Yoruba language. I'm not Igala, neither am I Ebira but they're my brothers and sisters.

You obviously lack the basic understanding of that, and you bask in that ignorance, that's shameful. Especially in these days of advanced technology where information is a fingertip away. You're a nincompoop as you cannot take advantage.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoruba_language

placeofallure:
You're not any different from the dumbo you are trying to defend.

First, I want to reiterate the fact that there are Yorubas in Kogi State. The Yoruba language boasts of a dialect continuum comprising Ẹgba, Ọyọ, Ìbàràpá, Igbomina, Ijẹṣa, Èkìtì, Àwórì, Anago, Ijẹbu, Ikalẹ, Ìlajẹ, Yagba, Òwe, Ijumu and many more.

My part of Kogi, the Okun people, speak the Yagba variation of the Yoruba language. I'm not Igala, neither am I Ebira but they're my brothers and sisters.

You obviously lack the basic understanding of that, and you bask in that ignorance, that's shameful. Especially in these days of advanced technology where information is a fingertip away. You're a nincompoop as you cannot take advantage.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoruba_language

Eiyah.. See as this animashaun dey foam for mouth just because I told her the truth.
Listen to me with your block brain.

You are not Yoruba and you will never be. Crying upandan like an unpaid ASHAWO will never make you Yoruba.

As you mumu reach you fell flat into my trap because you failed to show that Igalas belong with Yoruba because I know many Igalas who also bear Hausa and Igbo names but your empty brain failed to tell you that Igalas have similarities with all three major tribes but are actually a stand alone tribe just like Nupe, Gwari, Bachama, Idoma, Tiv etc

If only you knew how Yorubas look down on your kind, you will forever hide your head in shame. I would not be surprised that a Yoruba boy is the one telling you all these Okun are Yoruba rubbish just to sleep with you as your kind have been used and dumped too many times by Yorubas

Konquest:
I have to step into your convo... You are historically incorrect here.

Usen, Egbeta, and Utese in Ovia South West LGA of Edo State for instance are ancestrally originally of Ufe (Ife) descent from over 900 years ago. The current traditional ruler of Usen (formerly called Ife Kekere) is His Royal Majesty Oba Olu Ogbe, the Olu Awure of Usenland. He is a direct descendant of Afelogiyan, Oranmiyan's biological older brother who was the first ever ruler of Usen. Both Prince Afelogiyan and Prince Oranmiyan who later became the first Oba of Benin are both grandsons of Oduduwa who originally came from Oke Ora [Oke means mountain and Ora is the name of a Yoruba deity) just 8 miles from what is now Ile Ife. This is what is referred to allegorically in Yoruba religious liturgy as the "descent from the sky" of Oduduwa.


Watch the 4 videos BELOW to know CLEARLY that Yorubas are in Edo State:

1] Usen is not Benin. Usen is Yoruba

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De_DrwwQSko
Bush Radio TV • 8:09

2] Elawure [Olu Awure] of Usen pays thank you visit to Gov. Oshiomhole

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szuC28a68zw
Independent Television and Radio - Mar 12 2016

3] Edward Onah conferred with chieftaincy title by Olu-Awure of Usen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w6Dflk1fGo
Correspondent Xrays unique historical traits between Utese and Egbeta communities.
Independent Television and Radio• 7:34.


4] 99% of Benin Traditions are from ile ife

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZznZ8Cdb5aM


Just so you know, the people of Usen speak their Yoruba dialect till today (and also speak Benin language because they are close to Benin and the Palace of the Oba of Benin in terms of ancestry as direct cousins). It was directly from Usen that Oranmiyan went to what is now Benin and become the FIRST ever Oba of Benin after the Ogiso era ended.
This is why Usen plays a strong role during every coronation ceremony of any Oba of Benin. During the coronation ceremony of the current Oba Ewuare II in 2016, he CLEARLY affirmed in the video that he is a direct descendant on the paternal line of Oranmiyan who came from Ife in Osun State to become the first Oba of Benin over 800 years ago and stated that he is the 40th Oba of Benin. So, the people of Usen in Ovia South West LGA of EDO State who have NEVER denied their Ife ancestry (unlike the Oba of Benin's Palace since the time of Oba Erediauwa in the early 2000s for political subterfuge), and they greet one another with the family salutation called DELAUHE meaning "How is Ife?" and all Benin people who have ancestral paternal lineages to Ile Ife from centuries back all engage in the same DELAUHE salutations. The Oba of Benin is greeted or saluted with LAMOGUN emphasizing the connection with Ogun, the Yoruba deity of War and Iron which was introduced from Ife as told by the people of Usen. The maternal descent of Oba Eweka the son of Oranmiyan is of Egor origin which is aboriginal so, the Oranmiyan Dynasty indeed has Yoruba paternal lineage and aboriginal maternal lineage from the Ogiso era.

Do they speak the language?

Answer = No

That's the functional definition...after all the entire world was actually a single tribe of humanity at some point in the distant past

SpatialKing:
You are not Yoruba

and you are a stark idiot. Shior!!!!

davidque:
and you are a stark idiot. Shior!!!!

Like your generation and family

Doylestown92:
In no particular order. As a Yoruba man from Kogi, I noticed there's less discussion about the Okun people. So I made this compilation of famous Okun people. We're one Yoruba people, this is not a competition against any other subgroup. Also, none Yoruba people should keep off, this thread is not for disunity, but just one more glory of the Yoruba people.


1. Pius Adesanmi- Former Professor of Literature at The Pennsylvania State University, United States., Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada. Director of the Institute of African Studies at Carleton University.

2. Sam Adeyemi- Founder and Senior Pastor of Daystar Christian Center.

3. Bayo Ojo- S.A.N., Former Attorney General of Nigeria. Former head of The Nigerian Ministry of Justice.

4. John Onaiyekan- Cardinal, Archbishop emeritus of Abuja. Cardinal Priest of San Saturnino in Rome.

5. Eyitayo Lambo- Professor, Former Nigerian Federal Minister of Health.

6. Olu Obafemi- Professor of English and Dramatic Literature at The University of Illorin, former President of The Nigerian Academy of Letters.

7. Jide Omokore- Marine and Construction businessman, Forbes multimillionaire.

8. Abiodun Faleke- Member of Nigeria’s House of Representatives for Ikeja Federal Constituency, Lagos.

9. John Obaro- Technology entrepreneur, public speaker, and founder of SystemSpecs Nigeria Limited.

10. John Olatunde Ayeni- Lawyer, investor and business magnate, Chairman of Skye Bank.

11. Tolulope Arotile- First-ever female combat helicopter pilot in the Nigerian Air Force.

12. Etannibi Alemika- . Professor of Criminology and the Sociology of Law at the University of Jos, member The American Society of Criminology and The Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences.

13. Ibiyinka Alao- Nigerian-American artist, architect, writer, film director and musical theater composer.

14. Nike Davies-Okundaye- Artist, owner of the Nike Arts Galleries in Lagos, Abuja, Osogbo, and Ogidi.

15. Gbenro Ajibade- Actor, producer, model and presenter.

16. Seth Sunday Ajayi- Scientist, scholar, and the first African Professor of Wildlife Ecology.

17. Tunde Baiyewu- Nigeria-British singer and songwriter.

18. Joseph Abiodun Balogun- Nigerian-American academic, distinguished professor of Health Sciences at Chicago State University, Illinois, United States.

19. Sunday Bada- Sprinter, gold medal winner.

20. Grace Oyelude- Beauty Pageant, First Miss Nigeria.

21. TY Bello- Singer, songwriter, photographer and philanthropist.

22. Jaywon- Singer, songwriter and actor.

23. Darey Art Alade- Singer, Song Writer.

24. WizzyPro- Music Producer.

25. Ruger- Singer, Songwriter.

26. Tunde Ednut- Internet blogger and musician.

27. Dino Melaye- Former Senator for Kogi West .
28. Yetunde Barnabas- Model, actress and Movie Producer.

29. - Smart Adeyemi- Senator for Kogi West.

30. Deji Adeyanju- Lawyer.

I did my NySC camp in Kaaba 2005. The OKun will have their own state after the end of Nigeria

juwonlo15:
6 local government areas is a joke to you..
We are formally in Kwara before formation of kogi.

Once you reach kogi west areas, you will definitely know you're in yoruba land.

I mean it's common sense, you don't even need to be told

placeofallure:
You're not any different from the dumbo you are trying to defend.

First, I want to reiterate the fact that there are Yorubas in Kogi State. The Yoruba language boasts of a dialect continuum comprising Ẹgba, Ọyọ, Ìbàràpá, Igbomina, Ijẹṣa, Èkìtì, Àwórì, Anago, Ijẹbu, Ikalẹ, Ìlajẹ, Yagba, Òwe, Ijumu and many more.

My part of Kogi, the Okun people, speak the Yagba variation of the Yoruba language. I'm not Igala, neither am I Ebira but they're my brothers and sisters.

You obviously lack the basic understanding of that, and you bask in that ignorance, that's shameful. Especially in these days of advanced technology where information is a fingertip away. You're a nincompoop as you cannot take advantage.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoruba_language

I don't blame him, I blame you. 'cause I don't know why some of you are so dumb to not be able to discern who and who is worthy of your time or who not to get in an argument with. You're no different from that retárd.

Mtcheww, needless argument.

ADMAF:
Please, do a thorough Google search and be gracious enough to tell us what you found about Eyitayo Lambo in particular.

Thanks. Indeed, Eyitayo Lambo is from Kogi State. We concluded based on the popularity of Professor Adeoye Lambo, that both must be siblings but now, we know better.

Doylestown92:
No, from all the Okun local government areas.

Thank for correction

Doylestown92:
Pardon me on that, however, ibi Ori ba dani si, ni ese gba lo. Bi oro awon Lambo se ri niyen.
It's like Wole Soyinka, an Ijebu born in Egba, identified as Egba for much of his life until he eventually discovered or revealed he was Ijebu.
Despite that, Yoruba kan naa ni gbogbo wa Jo je. Ire oo.

Toh baba ibi ori, e pele oo

davidque:
Are you 2 years old? I don't get how the lots of you are this ignorant. 90% of Kogi west is occupied by Yorubas right from the birth of Kogi state. This is common knowledge. They were historically part of kwara state before the creation of kogi state

How old are u?
Yorubas are found only in six states

Konquest:
I'll give you a detailed response.

Indeed, you are correct because I watched the full coronation video and the current Oba Ewuare II of Benin said so on the day of his October 20, 2016 coronation ceremony BUT he merely rehashed the same fabricated story from the Palace about a fictional Ekaladehan who he falsely claimed was Oduduwa. He did NOT deny his royal family paternal lineage came through Oranmiyan in Ile Ife in Osun State and that Oranmiyan was the FIRST ever Oba of Benin after the Ogiso era ended, but he was highly incorrect in stating that Oduduwa was Ekaladehan from the Ogiso era, and that Oranmiyan was Oduduwa's son. [Oranmiyan was Oduduwa's grandson in reality]. This fabrication was invented during the reign of his father Oba Erediauwa of Benin for internal political reasons especially with the Ogiamien family and some other parts of Edo State who were revolting and asking for more recognition and more.

There was indeed NO missing Prince Ekaladehan in the Ogiso era. The Ogiamien family who are directly descended from the Ogiso era have debunked that lie of a missing Prince called Ekaladehan in several media interviews such as in Guardian newspaper in 2018 which you can still read online in the links BELOW and even revealed that the Oba of Benin's paternal lineage is of Yoruba origin from Ife in Osun State via Oranmiyan. A second MAJOR evidence comes from some other Benin folks whose paternal lineage goes to the Ogiso era who have also debunked the Ekaladehan missing Prince falsehood in widely-circulated videos online and even stated that the real Ekaladehan died at Ugboton. These historical fabrications from the Palace of the Oba of Benin and the High Chiefs have lowered them in the eyes of discerning folks who do NOT compromise on facts. The history of Benin Empire, Ile Ife and Oyo Empire are popular internationally and these kinds of fabrications have led to confusions for a lot of people and students searching for genuine historical information online.


Watch the 2 Videos BELOW and read the articles from and about the Ogiamien family:

1] Ogiso and Ogiamien are Aborigine Binis while Oba Of Benin is of Yoruba origin
=>https://guardian.ng/features/ogiso-and-ogiamien-are-aborigine-binis-while-oba-of-benin-is-of-yoruba-descent-high-chief-esotericist-monday-wehere/

2] Ogiamien Vs Oba of Benin: Royal rumble ends
=>https://tribuneonlineng.com/ogiamien-vs-oba-of-benin-royal-rumble-ends/

3] 99% of Benin Traditions are from ile ife

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZznZ8Cdb5aM

4] All Benin Obas are from Ile Ife

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2Gf9LUr1-o
Igodomigodo Family - Mar 25 2024



A third MAJOR evidence which also corroborates the ORIGINAL Ile Ife account of Oduduwa's REAL Yoruba origins comes from the people of Usen in Ovia South West LGA of Edo State who are directly of Ufe (Ife or Uhe) descent and have NEVER denied their Yoruba paternal Origins except the Oba of Benin Palace and both are ancestrally direct cousins. The current Oba of Usen Kingdom is Oba Olu Ogbe II who is a direct descendant of Afelogiyan, who is Oranmiyan's biological older brother. As you already know from my post that you quoted, Oranmiyan (whose real names are Oluaiye) and Afelogiyan his older brother who was the FIRST ruler of Usen were Oduduwa's grandchildren. It was from the Yoruba community of Usen that Oranmiyan left to become the Oba in Benin, but as the current Oba of Benin said in that coronation video, he did NOT stay long. This is why Oranmiyan's biological son given birth to by the daughter of an Egor noble man, Oba Eweka took over from his father. His father then returned to Yorubaland and then founded the Oyo Kingdom which then rose to become the mighty Oyo Empire which stretched from Yorubaland in Nigeria to Togo and Oyo Empire incorporated via conquest the current Nupes and Baribas of Kwara State, the Aja, Ewe and Fon peoples of Benin Republic and Togo.


Just as I stated in my original post that you quoted, Oduduwa originally came from the hilly and mountainous Oke Ora just 8 miles away from the current Ile Ife in the same Osun State, and this is the reason why based off of Ufe (Ife) customs and traditions, every Oba (or Ooni of Ife) has to go to Oke Ora as part of the coronation rites. The ancestors of the people you call Yorubas today have lived in autochtonous communities in Yorubaland for thousands of years, long before even Oduduwa was born, so, it's a well-known fact in Ife that the Oduduwa Dynasty is the 3rd dynasty. There are 2 other ruling dynasties that existed in what is now Ife before Oduduwa came. These past Kings were defied as part of the 201 Gods or Deities in Ife.

The current Olugbo of Ugbo Kingdom (HRM Oba Frederick Akinruntan) in the oil and gas-rich Ilaje area of Ondo State did clarify in 2004 that his ancestors were the ones originally occupying what is now Ile Ife before Oduduwa arrived BUT in order to avoid further bloodshed, Ifa divination instructed that his ancestors should relocate to another area. This is a well-known fact of history even in Ife inner circles. The previous Alaafin of Oyo Kingdom also confirmed it. So, Oduduwa himself was NOT the direct ancestor of all Yorubas but he is just one of the ancestors. I hope you understand clearly now. Also, you can read the books and articles especially from 2004 of the great historians Professor Jide Osuntokun (Nigeria’s former Ambassador to Germany) and Professor Banji Akintoye who also CLEARLY stated that based on archeological evidence, autochtonous communities existed in Yorubaland long before Oduduwa was born and Prof. Jide Osuntokun did state that Oduduwa ONLY represents the ancestor or progenitor of the current line of the great Kings (Obas) of paternal Yoruba descent from Nigeria to Togo

You are very correct 👌. The remotest of the rulers of the first dynasty is Àjà. He is believed to be the ancestor of Oramfe and Jio. Odùduwà descended from Oramfe just like Idu, the ancestors the Binis.

Why would Binis talk about the sky-rulers or sky- god-rulers and the ancient Ufe would talk about Àjà- lọ́run? Àjà was ruler and a priest or mediator who dwelt on very lofty abode like mountain according to Ife sources. His descendants were powerful men and two stood out, Oramfe (the one that cracks and scatter with fire) and Jìó (that invented a big light ball called òṣùpá Jio that light up the community). Unfortunately, nothing much about Idu except that he migrated out and founded Idu now Bini and his descendants ruled as Ogisos before Oranmiyan got there on the instructions of Ufe.

Moblux:
You are very correct 👌. The remotest of the rulers of the first dynasty is Àjà. He is believed to be the ancestor of Oramfe and Jio. Odùduwà descended from Oramfe just like Idu, the ancestors the Binis.

Why would Binis talk about the sky-rulers or sky- god-rulers and the ancient Ufe would talk about Àjà- lọ́run? Àjà was ruler and a priest or mediator who dwelt on very lofty abode like mountain according to Ife sources. His descendants were powerful men and two stood out, Oramfe (the one that cracks and scatter with fire) and Jìó (that invented a big light ball called òṣùpá Jio that light up the community). Unfortunately, nothing much about Idu except that he migrated out and founded Idu now Bini and his descendants ruled as Ogisos before Oranmiyan got there on the instructions of Ufe.

@Moblux, I deeply appreciate the deeper insights you gave right here. More folks and school kids have to know these advanced historical specifics (that have been in existence for years) in UPDATED curricula of school history books instead of those "elementary Oduduwa and Ife stories" we learned decades ago from Social Studies books. What I know today about Ufe (Ife) was learned from other advanced historical sources.

Since the early 1990s (1991), I noticed all kinds of irresponsible non-Yorubas twisting Yoruba history while churning out highly misleading online articles and bogus videos on YouTube claiming falsely and delusionally that Ufe (Ile Ife) and Yorubas originate from their area. As of 2005 and even much later, the Palace of Oba Frederick Akinruntan, Olugbo of Ugbo Kingdom in the oil-and-gas rich Ilajeland, in Ondo State had to issue a strong press releases warning the Ibos to desist from referring to the Ugbos (who are originally autochtonous to modern-day Ile Ife) and Ibos (Igbos) as the same people.

Enjoy the rest of the day and have a fabulous year ahead!

Konquest:
@Moblux, I deeply appreciate the deeper insights you gave right here. More folks and school kids have to know these advanced historical specifics (that have been in existence for years) in UPDATED curricula of school history books instead of those "elementary Oduduwa and Ife stories" we learned decades ago from Social Studies books. What I know today about Ufe (Ife) was learned from other advanced historical sources.

Since the early 1990s (1991), I noticed all kinds of irresponsible non-Yorubas twisting Yoruba history while churning out highly misleading online articles and bogus videos on YouTube claiming falsely and delusionally that Ufe (Ile Ife) and Yorubas originate from their area. As of 2005 and even much later, the Palace of Oba Frederick Akinruntan, Olugbo of Ugbo Kingdom in the oil-and-gas rich Ilajeland, in Ondo State had to issue a strong press releases warning the Ibos to desist from referring to the Ugbos (who are originally autochtonous to modern-day Ile Ife) and Ibos (Igbos) as the same people.

Enjoy the rest of the day and have a fabulous year ahead!

Thanks for that. My interest has always been the pre-Oduduwa era of the kingdom of Ufe. I opened a thread about it sometimes ago on nairaland hoping to see people with facts to come forward. Luckily enough I stumbled on the books by Prof. Banji Akintoye, Prof Toyin Falola and some other scholars that shed light on prehistoric era. A section of Igbo (especially part of Anambra) is actually of Ufe Origin. Have you wondered why they have Oba, Ora and Oko in Anambra. Is that just per chance or something to decode? Those three words: Oba, Ora and Oko are central to prehistoric Ufe. The assertion of Akinrintan is one of the problems why we have distortions in history. It is just a fight for supremacy. Let us leave it at that.

Moblux:
Thanks for that. My interest has always been the pre-Oduduwa era of the kingdom of Ufe. I opened a thread about it sometimes ago on nairaland hoping to see people with facts to come forward. Luckily enough I stumbled on the books by Prof. Banji Akintoye, Prof Toyin Falola and some other scholars that shed light on prehistoric era. A section of Igbo (especially part of Anambra) is actually of Ufe Origin. Have you wondered why they have Oba, Ora and Oko in Anambra. Is that just per chance or something to decode? Those three words: Oba, Ora and Oko are central to prehistoric Ufe. The assertion of Akinrintan is one of the problems why we have distortions in history. It is just a fight for supremacy. Let us leave it at that.

Indeed, the U.S-based Prof. Toyin Falola, Prof. Banji Akintoye and Prof. Jide Osuntokun (former Nigerian Ambassador to Germany) are the iconic leaders on ancient and modern Yoruba history that I've ever read.

OK! I found the thread you're talking about right BELOW:

https://www.nairaland.com/6896727/inquest-into-pre-oduduwa-history-yoruba#108522287

The Oba, Ora, and Oko are said by the Anambra folks to have different meanings from the Yoruba meanings though. There's an uncanny similarity between some other Yoruba words (such as NIKE, OJO, etc) and the Old Anambra State (Now Anambra and Enugu States) words. Other CLEAR words of PURE Yoruba origin OR etymology such as Ogede (plantain and banana), Iba (fever), Akuko (cock), Okuta (rock or stone), Egusi (melon seeds), Egungun (masquerade), Ogun (God or deity of War and Iron), Ogun (medicine), Ewa (beans) etc, which are found MORE in use in Igala as words with slight spelling changes for some words (such as "Egwugwu" meaning masquerade, "Ogwu" meaning medicine or war or deity, "Egwa" meaning beans, in Igala language) and (as BORROWED or LOAN words directly from the Yoruba/Igala region in Igbo lexicon to a lesser degree). Same meanings BUT different spellings for some words. The Longman English to Ibo dictionary for instance which was co-written with an Igbo scholar CLEARLY states that the word "Egwusi" is a LOAN word (BORROWED) from Yor. (The Yoruba word EGUSI). "Elili" is the name some other Igbo groups call Egusi

Besides, we know there are indigenous Yorubas in Kogi State which shares direct borders with Anambra and Northern Enugu where Igalas are also indigenous (just like the Igalas are indigenous to Anambra State) and very active historically. The book entitled: "Ibo-Igala Land Border" written by an American lecturer who was at UNN in Nsukka in the 1960s and 1970s indicates that both Igalas and their fellow Yorubas were regular visitors and hunters in the Nsukka area over 300 years ago long before British colonialism.

However, because Igala is classified as a Yoruboid language (just like spoken Itsekiri), and according to the late Attah of Igalaland [HRM Dr. Michael Idakwo Ameh Oboni] who granted an interview published on August 26, 2017 in Saturday Punch indicated that Igala language and people evolved from the migration of a sizeable group of people
from Wukari [Jukunland] in Taraba State centuries ago and they moved along the confluence of River Benue to Amagede, then to Idah where they settled and MERGED with a sizeable group or population of Yoruba people, Bini people, and to some
extent a small group of Ibo, etc.

"So the Wukari migrant population merged
with them to form the language called
Igala as a people." ~ late Attah Michael Oboni of Igalaland

Wukari Jukun+Eastern Yoruba+Edo (Bini/Esan) +Ibo => [IGALA People]

READ MORE HERE: http://punchng.com/im-first-attah-in-igala-history-with-one-wife-ameh-oboni/


You can go through this thread NL thread created by an Igala guy showing CLEARLY the massive number of Yoruba words and numbers found in the Igala language thereby affirming what the late Attah of Igala said in the Saturday Punch article in 2017 about the part Yoruba ancestral bloodlines in Igala.
=>https://www.nairaland.com/4191766/want-learn-igala-language-get

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