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GothamCities:
Moses didn't know Jesus. He was an old testament saint.

GothamCities:
God Himself is the Foundation.

gohf:
Ps.102.25 In ages past God laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.

gohf:
where did Moses and the prophets tell us that Jesus is their God?

GothamCities:
Give me the verses that claimed Moses to be worshipped as Jesus was or stop mentioning me.

GothamCities:
You're not getting it. We are not talking about the foundation of the earth but the foundation of all things. The earth is just a miniature portion of God's vast creation.

gohf:
Ps.18.15 - Then at your command, O LORD, at the blast of your breath, the bottom of the sea could be seen, and the foundations of the earth were laid bare.
Ps.18.16 - He reached down from heaven and rescued me; he drew me out of deep waters.

Who do you think Psalm 18 was about?

GothamCities:
Jesus is the Firstborn, the Foundation of all creations. Not just the earth.

GothamCities:
"And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, "Let all God 's angels worship him." Hebrew 1:6.

All creations worshiped God and the Lamb in the book of Revelation. Can you provide any similar verse for Moses?

MaxInDHouse:
But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do obeisance to him"

Obeisance differ from worship it simply means obedience to someone.

gohf:
if you know Psalm 18 is about Jesus and it is God who brings him out, why then do you act ignorant and believe a lie that Jesus the Messiah is God?

GothamCities:
The word you translated 'obeisance' is proskynēsatōsan. According to Greek Interlinear and Bible Dictionary, the word means "worship". No need to argue with you on this. You hate the truth. No amount of evidence will stop you from self deceit. I'll just ignore you outright.

MaxInDHouse:
Worship belongs to only one person:


“Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only." ‭Matthew 4:10

And who is Jehovah, who is Jesus? Satan is not Jehovah, neither Jesus, hence he deserves no worship. Jesus was worshipped as the Lamb in the book of Revelation. Hebrews 1:6 says "...let all the angels of God worship Him." All.thr angels, not "...let other angels of God worship Him." Hence He couldn't have been part of the angels. Jesus is Jehovah, the only One is from Everything to Everlasting. The Night God. The Everlasting Father. God with us.


Worship belongs to only JEHOVAH!

GothamCities:
And who is Jehovah, who is Jesus? Satan is not Jehovah, neither Jesus, hence he deserves no worship.

MaxInDHouse:
This is part of the ERRORS committed by translators OBEISANCE differ from WORSHIP that's why Jesus said only his God should be worshiped! John 20:17

GothamCities:
This particular verse has no error.

MaxInDHouse:
If so go and unite worshipers of Trinity after all worshipers of the only true God must be united that's what the scripture says consistently {Psalms 133:1} they are to have the same line of thought {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} Jesus can only assemble with united believers {Matthew 18:20} because it's in their unity that his father commands His eternal blessings! Psalms 133:3b

GothamCities:
The word you translated 'obeisance' is proskynēsatōsan. According to Greek Interlinear and Bible Dictionary, the word means "worship". No need to argue with you on this. You hate the truth. No amount of evidence will stop you from self deceit. I'll just ignore you outright.

The basic meaning of Greek proskyneu is "Prostrate", for instance, the manner that the Yorubas pay homage to a monarch or Kabiyesi or very senior man.

English translators ascribed proskyneu to worship.
But that is not it's basic meaning in Middle Eastern culture where Jesus was born & lived.


@ Hebrew 1:6 the Catholic Church Bible rendition is :
"pay homage to him (Jesus).

Jesus Christ @ Matthew 4:10 & Mark 12:29 instruct you to worship Christ?

Your claim is FALSE and faulted by Jesus Christ @Matthew 4:10 & Mark 12:29 -30.

Carry your 2 persons worshipping idolatry out of this forum.

GothamCities:
The word you translated 'obeisance' is proskynēsatōsan. According to Greek Interlinear and Bible Dictionary, the word means "worship". No need to argue with you on this. You hate the truth. No amount of evidence will stop you from self deceit. I'll just ignore you outright.

@ Hebrew 1:6 Catholic Church New Jerusalem Bible rendition reads "homage. "
Nah dem start Trinity before you & your ancestors.
Please go and rest, you are deluded.

The basic meaning of Greek proskuneo is "Prostrate", for instance, the manner that the Yorubas pay homage to a monarch or Kabiyesi or very senior man.

English translators ascribed proskuneo to worship.
But that is not it's basic meaning in Middle Eastern culture where Jesus was born & lived.
Screenshot evidences.


@ Hebrew 1:6 the Catholic Church Bible rendition is :
"pay homage to him (Jesus).

Jesus Christ @ Matthew 4:10 & Mark 12:29 instruct you to worship Christ?

Your claim is FALSE and faulted by Jesus Christ @Matthew 4:10 & Mark 12:29 -30.

Carry your 2 persons worshipping idolatry out of this forum.

GothamCities:
That verse has no error. That's all. I won't add any other thing about your illusion about the worshippers of Trinity. You're very dishonest, to detail the discussion, you'll cut off the part that nails the truth and quote only the part that you want to use as derailment. You're not truthful at all. I dislike such personalities.

GothamCities:
If you give birth to a child, would the child be a human or a goat?
God can only birth God. Don't be confused.
The Spirit that overshadowed Mary was the Spirit of God, not of man.

Janosky:
MUMU man, God can not,did not birth himself.

Any Being that God births is a creature.
Goat don't birth himself,Goat births another creature.
Stop deceiving yourself.

MaxInDHouse:
God's word is not contradictory so if you can't find out why Jesus said only one person should be worshiped and all his disciples are united to do so but claiming you know better while you and all trinitarians are confused regarding the way forward then it simply means something is wrong with your Trinity God!

Janosky:
@ Hebrew 1:6 Catholic Church New Jerusalem Bible rendition reads "homage. "
Nah dem start Trinity before you & your ancestors.
Please go and rest, you are deluded.

The basic meaning of Greek proskuneo is "Prostrate", for instance, the manner that the Yorubas pay homage to a monarch or Kabiyesi or very senior man.

English translators ascribed proskuneo to worship.
But that is not it's basic meaning in Middle Eastern culture where Jesus was born & lived.
Screenshot evidences.


@ Hebrew 1:6 the Catholic Church Bible rendition is :
"pay homage to him (Jesus).

Jesus Christ @ Matthew 4:10 & Mark 12:29 instruct you to worship Christ?

Your claim is FALSE and faulted by Jesus Christ @Matthew 4:10 & Mark 12:29 -30.

Carry your 2 persons worshipping idolatry out of this forum.

Janosky:
The basic meaning of Greek proskyneu is "Prostrate", for instance, the manner that the Yorubas pay homage to a monarch or Kabiyesi or very senior man.

English translators ascribed proskyneu to worship.
But that is not it's basic meaning in Middle Eastern culture where Jesus was born & lived.


@ Hebrew 1:6 the Catholic Church Bible rendition is :
"pay homage to him (Jesus).

Jesus Christ @ Matthew 4:10 & Mark 12:29 instruct you to worship Christ?

Your claim is FALSE and faulted by Jesus Christ @Matthew 4:10 & Mark 12:29 -30.

Carry your 2 persons worshipping idolatry out of this forum.

GothamCities:
God is that One Person who should be worshipped. He is the same Father, Son and Holy Spirit. He is the one God.

GothamCities:
The Greek word translated worship is προσκυνήσω. It means worship or homage but its major use is 'worship'.

The Greek word προσκύνησις also means worship and homage but its major use is homage.

Janosky:
[b]

Please stop LYING.
You too dey deceive yourself.
The primary, fundamental meaning/ definition of proskuneo is homage, kneeling,to prostrate ..
Bible study tools.org is Trinitarian website.
As we shall see, Greek-English lexicons give two basic definit­ions of proskyneō, one of which is primary and funda­mental, and the other of which is secondary and der­ivat­ive. The primary meaning is “to kneel before some­one” or “to prostrate oneself before some­one”. [/b]This is a bodily expression of pay­ing hom­age to some­one without nec­ess­arily ascribing deity to him (e.g., bowing before a Roman centurion). But in some contexts, proskyneō can have the deriv­ative sense of worship. Whereas the primary meaning does not necess­ar­ily in­volve the attribution of deity, the second may involve divine worship.

When we encounter proskyneō in the New Testament, the quest­ion of which is its intended meaning can often be resolved by seeing who the ob­ject of the proskyneō is. If the object is God, then proskyneō would imply divine wor­ship (e.g., Mt.4:10, “You shall wor­ship the Lord your God ALONE”). But if the object is a human dignitary such as a Roman commander, then proskyneō would mean kneeling or paying hom­age with­out the attribution of deity.

Jesus said worship Jehovah your God ALONE,@ Matthew 4:10.
You Gotham would dodge this question;
According to Jesus Christ,How many person is worshipped @ Matthew 4:10?[/b]

Janosky:
[b]

Please stop LYING.
You too dey deceive yourself.
The primary, fundamental meaning/ definition of proskuneo is homage, kneeling,to prostrate ..
Bible study tools.org is Trinitarian website.
As we shall see, Greek-English lexicons give two basic definit­ions of proskyneō, one of which is primary and funda­mental, and the other of which is secondary and der­ivat­ive. The primary meaning is “to kneel before some­one” or “to prostrate oneself before some­one”. [/b]This is a bodily expression of pay­ing hom­age to some­one without nec­ess­arily ascribing deity to him (e.g., bowing before a Roman centurion). But in some contexts, proskyneō can have the deriv­ative sense of worship. Whereas the primary meaning does not necess­ar­ily in­volve the attribution of deity, the second may involve divine worship.

When we encounter proskyneō in the New Testament, the quest­ion of which is its intended meaning can often be resolved by seeing who the ob­ject of the proskyneō is. If the object is God, then proskyneō would imply divine wor­ship (e.g., Mt.4:10, “You shall wor­ship the Lord your God ALONE”). But if the object is a human dignitary such as a Roman commander, then proskyneō would mean kneeling or paying hom­age with­out the attribution of deity.

Jesus said worship Jehovah your God ALONE,@ Matthew 4:10.
You Gotham would dodge this question;
According to Jesus Christ,How many person is worshipped @ Matthew 4:10?
[/b]

GothamCities:
The Greek word translated worship is προσκυνήσω. It means worship or homage but its major use is 'worship'.

The Greek word προσκύνησις also means worship and homage but its major use is homage.

If homage was intended for Hebrews 1:6, the word in that verse would be προσκύνησις and not προσκυνήσω But since προσκυνήσω is the word used, the most accurate translation is worship.

"...let all the angels of God προσκυνήσω (worship) Him." This is Hebrews 1:6.

"...let all.the angels of God προσκύνησις (homage) Him." This is not Hebrews 1:6.

That verse also shows Jesus is not angel Gabriel.

"...let all the angels of God worship Him." If Jesus was an angel, then, the verse would read: "...let the all the remaining angels worship Him " or '...let all other angels worship Him."

In conclusion, please note that homage itself is a form of worship.

3 Evidences against your claim:

(1) Bible study tools.org , your fellow Trinitarians
Gotham, the fundamental, primary meaning of Greek proskuneo is not worship, your claim is FALSE and faulted by your Trinitarian scholars .

(2)
The Catholic New Jerusalem Bible confirm that faulted your claim.
Hebrew 1:6 Catholic New Jerusalem Bible
Again, when he brings the First-born into the world, he says: Let all the angels of God pay him homage."

(3) Screenshot
When you prostrate for your Daddy G.O, do you agree that you gave Daddy G.O. "a form of worship ?"

Please desist from idolatry.

Janosky:
3 Evidences against your claim:

(1) Bible study tools.org , your fellow Trinitarians
Gotham, the fundamental, primary meaning of Greek proskuneo is not worship, your claim is FALSE and faulted by your Trinitarian scholars .

(2)
The Catholic New Jerusalem Bible confirm that faulted your claim.
Hebrew 1:6 Catholic New Jerusalem Bible
Again, when he brings the First-born into the world, he says: Let all the angels of God pay him homage."

(3) Screenshot
When you prostrate for your Daddy G.O, do you agree that you gave Daddy G.O. "a form of worship ?"

Please desist from idolatry.