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Thankgod89:
➜Many people debate whether Jesus is truly God. The explanation below provides a detailed understanding of why Jesus Christ is called God. The Bible says, " Matthew 11:27 says:
"All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."
While we acknowledge the Father and the Son, the divine nature of Christ establishes Him as God.

In John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God "

Explanation using the key component

1. In the beginning: this echoes Genesis 1:1, emphasizing the eternal nature of the word
2. The word : a title for Jesus Christ, highlighting His role as the embodiment of God's message, wisdom and creative power.(Colossians 1:16)
3. Was with God: this indicate a close intimate relationship between the word and God.
4. And the word was God: this affirm the divinity of Jesus Christ, establishing His equality with God.(Philippians 2:16)
Key implications of Jesus divinity

1. Eternal existence: Jesus has always existed, having no beginning or end. ( John 1:1-3, Hebrews 13:
2. Omnipotent: Jesus possesses all power and authority being able to accomplish anything He desires ( Matthew 28:18, Revelation 19:6).
3. Omniscience : Jesus has complete knowledge and understanding, knowing all things past, present and future (John 16:30, Colossians 2:3).
4. Omnipresent: Jesus is present everywhere being able to be with all people at all time Matthew 18:20, Ephesians 4:6).
5. Immutable: Jesus is unchanging, being the same yesterday, today and forever (Hebrews 13:
6. Holy : Jesus is completely holy, being separate from sin and morally perfect (Luke 1:35, Hebrews 4:15).
Happy Sunday!!!

Thankgod89:
Many people debate whether Jesus is truly God. The explanation below provides a detailed understanding of why Jesus Christ is called God. The Bible says, " Matthew 11:27 says:
"All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."

While we acknowledge the Father and the Son, the divine nature of Christ establishes Him as God.


In John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God "

Explanation using the key component

1. In the beginning: this echoes Genesis 1:1, emphasizing the eternal nature of the word
2. The word : a title for Jesus Christ, highlighting His role as the embodiment of God's message, wisdom and creative power.(Colossians 1:16)
3. Was with God: this indicate a close intimate relationship between the word and God.
4. And the word was God: this affirm the divinity of Jesus Christ, establishing His equality with God.(Philippians 2:16)

Key implications of Jesus divinity

1. Eternal existence: Jesus has always existed, having no beginning or end. ( John 1:1-3, Hebrews 13:
2. Omnipotent: Jesus possesses all power and authority being able to accomplish anything He desires ( Matthew 28:18, Revelation 19:6).
3. Omniscience : Jesus has complete knowledge and understanding, knowing all things past, present and future (John 16:30, Colossians 2:3).
4. Omnipresent: Jesus is present everywhere being able to be with all people at all time Matthew 18:20, Ephesians 4:6).
5. Immutable: Jesus is unchanging, being the same yesterday, today and forever (Hebrews 13:
6. Holy : Jesus is completely holy, being separate from sin and morally perfect (Luke 1:35, Hebrews 4:15).

Happy Sunday!!!

Kobojunkie:
Stop creating these useless threads all over the place already! You Christians refuse to accept that Jesus Christ Himself declared He was only sent to the Lost Sheep of Israel — the bloodline of Israel — by His Father, God of Israel. Of what value are your lies when you were rejected from the start by the same man whom you all pretend today to follow and know?

Thankgod89:
➜It’s important to approach discussions like these with understanding and context. While Jesus did say in Matthew 15:24, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel," His mission later expanded beyond Israel. This is evident in verses like Matthew 28:19, where He commands His disciples to "go and make disciples of all nations."
➜The early church, as seen in the New Testament, welcomed both Jews and Gentiles (non-Israelites) into the faith, emphasizing that salvation through Christ is for everyone who believes (Galatians 3:28). The message of Jesus is rooted in love and inclusion, not division. Perhaps the focus should be on how His teachings encourage unity rather than disputes over who qualifies. Thank you.

2 Japheth’s sons were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras.
3 Gomer’s sons were Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah.
4 Javan’s sons were Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.[a]
5 All the people who lived in the area around the Mediterranean Sea came from these sons of Japheth. The people separated and went to different countries according to languages, families, and nations. -Genesis 10 vs 2 - 5

Kobojunkie:
1. If according to you, Jesus Christ of Israel changed His mind later on after Jesus Christ of Israel is reported to have rejected a Canaanite woman who had asked Him to extend towards her the same mercy of David His Father —YHWH — sent Him to deliver only to the lost sheep of Israel, what you are invariably declaring to all here is that Jesus Christ of Israel lied to the Canaanite woman and His followers of course. Also what you declare boldly here is that Jesus Christ of Israel along with His Father who named Himself God of Israel were both liars. 🤔

The same book states that God --YHWH -- is not a man that He should change His mind regarding His Law neither is He a son of man that He should lie. But clearly, your particular God not only changes his mind but is also capable of lying meaning he cannot be YHWH or Jesus Christ, the Law sent by Him.🤔

2. These are nonsense claims you made regarding the followers of Jesus Christ, all of whom lived during the first century, the period that was within 40 years of the death of Jesus Christ of Israel and right before the destruction of Jerusalem and the nation of Judea. You Christians completely reject what the declarations made by their master but somehow we are to believe that you have an understanding of what they thought, ideas that were based on what their master taught to them? Nonsense! 🙄

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✹By the way, the term gentile, right from its very first use in the book of Genesis 10, is used to refer to people who are all members of the same bloodline aka family.
IT was first used about the family of Japheth, I believe he was the father of the Arabs. And was later on used about the family of Jacob — meaning those who are of the bloodline of Jacob just as YHWH made clear through His Prophets.

Thankgod89:
➜It seems there’s some misunderstanding about the nature of Jesus’ mission and His interaction with the Canaanite woman. In Matthew 15:21–28, while Jesus initially states, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel,” He ultimately grants the Canaanite woman’s request because of her faith, saying, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” This shows that His mission, while initially focused on Israel, always included a broader scope—revealing that God’s mercy and salvation extend to all who believe...

Kobojunkie:
Stop with the desperate attempts to derail abeg and focus!

How could Jesus Christ of Israel have, according to you, ultimately granted the woman what you pretended he did without essentially doing two things that are written in that book that God can never do — God is not a man that He should change His mind regarding His decrees, neither is He the son of man that he should lie?

Note: The text instead says that Jesus Christ healed the woman's daughter, not grant her the mercy of David —Eternal Salvation—which she had originally asked for. But you somehow pretend that the healing of her daughter is the same. Why?

gohf:
first of, Matthew 11:27 doesn't call Jesus God, it only reaffirms that only through Jesus do we gain full knowledge of the Father, not shadows like through the scriptures, John.1.18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
John.6.46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.

When you say, "the divine nature of Christ establishes Him as God." Does that also mean that every thing or everyone who has the divine nature is also God?

But that is wrong because that is not scripturally nor is it the gospel.


John 1:1 in Greek it is theos en ho logos
God's in the word is the direct translation of that phrase, which can also be said as God's word, the word was God's. But then taking the common wrong translation of calling "the word was God" what this mean it the word WAS God and not is God.

In your number 5, you wrote "Jesus is unchanging, being the same yesterday, today and forever (Hebrews 13:" so does that mean Jesus who you understand was God, was also God when he died on the cross. So God died?

But God doesn't not change so you cannot say He became a man can you?

Do you understand when Paul writes this: Rom.3.30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith.

Let me mainly use the verses you have quoted

Phil.2.6 Who, being in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,

Jesus did not consider himself God though he had God's nature, that's the kind of mindset we should have.

According to you, "1. Eternal existence: Jesus has always existed, having no beginning or end. ( John 1:1-3, ...)", you can also call the heavens and the earth gods as well since they were also from the beginning.

Then you said, 2. Omnipotent: Jesus possesses all power and authority being able to accomplish anything He desires ( Matthew 28:18, Revelation 19:6).

Whatever power and authority Jesus has was given to him by God

Matt.28.18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. (NKJV)

What about power and authority beyond heavens?

Why did you quote Rev 19:6 when it is God who is mentioned there?

Rev.19.4 - Then the twenty-four elders and the four living beings fell down and worshiped God, who was sitting on the throne. [/b]They cried out, "Amen! Hallelujah!"
Rev.19.5 - And from the throne came a voice that said, "[b]Praise our God, all his servants, from the least to the greatest, all who fear him."
Rev.19.6 - Then I heard again what sounded like the shout of a huge crowd, or the roar of mighty ocean waves, or the crash of loud thunder: "Hallelujah! For the Lord our God, the Almighty, reigns.

Almighty is same with Omnipotent, and only God is Almighty.

Omniscience : Jesus has complete knowledge and understanding, knowing all things past, present and future (John 16:30, Colossians 2:3).

Notice the difference between you and the disciples

John.16.30 Now we understand that you know everything and don't need anyone to tell you anything. From this we believe that you came from God."

Mark.13.32 "However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows. (ALL)

Col.2.2 - My goal is that they will be encouraged and knit together by strong ties of love. I want them to have full confidence because they have complete understanding of God's secret plan, which is Christ himself - In him lie hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

He is God's word and message to us.

Then you wrote "Omnipresent: Jesus is present everywhere being able to be with all people at all time Matthew 18:20, Ephesians 4:6)."
Matt.18.20 For where two or three gather together because they are mine, I am there among them."

Jesus isn't there physically

And like you quoted
Eph.4.6 and there is only one God and Father, who is over us all and in us all and living through us all.

Jesus said in John.14.23 Jesus replied, "All those who love me will do what I say. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and live with them.

Immutable: Jesus is unchanging, being the same yesterday, today and forever (Hebrews 13:
If indeed you believe this, then believe Jesus came as a man, and is sill the same man who obeyed God completely

Rom.5.17 The sin of this one man, Adam, caused death to rule over us, but all who receive God's wonderful, gracious gift of righteousness will live in triumph over sin and death through this one man, Jesus Christ.


Yet the author of Hebrews never calls Jesus God, but the son of God.

Heb.4.14 - That is why we have a great High Priest who has gone to heaven, Jesus the Son of God. Let us cling to him and never stop trusting him.
Heb.4.15 - This High Priest of ours understands our weaknesses, for he faced all of the same temptations we do, yet he did not sin.

Jas.1.13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.

Thankgod89:
➜The interaction with the Canaanite woman in Matthew 15:21–28 deserves careful examination. Jesus’ initial response highlights His mission’s focus on Israel, but her persistent faith becomes a turning point. When Jesus heals her daughter, it demonstrates His compassion and willingness to respond to faith—even from someone outside Israel. This act doesn't contradict God's unchanging nature but instead reveals the unfolding of His plan: that salvation would begin with Israel and then extend to all nations (Romans 1:16, Isaiah 49:6)....

con·tra·dict
/ˌkäntrəˈdik(t)/
verb
➜ deny the truth of (a statement) by asserting the opposite.
➜ assert the opposite of a statement made by (someone).

Thankgod89:
Thank you for your detailed and thoughtful comment. It’s clear you’ve deeply studied Scripture, and I appreciate the opportunity to engage in this discussion. Let’s explore some of the points you’ve raised.

1. Mark 13:32 - The Son does not know the day or hour
This verse highlights the mystery of the incarnation. When Jesus became man, He willingly limited certain aspects of His divine knowledge to fulfill His mission on earth (Philippians 2:6-. This doesn’t negate His divinity but underscores His humility in taking on human nature while still being fully God (Colossians 2:9).


2. Omnipresence and Matthew 18:20
Jesus' omnipresence doesn’t mean He’s physically present everywhere but rather spiritually present, as He affirmed after His resurrection in Matthew 28:20: “I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Ephesians 4:6 points to God’s presence in all things, which is consistent with Jesus’ divine nature as part of the Trinity.


3. Immutable Nature of Christ
Hebrews 13:8 declares, “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.” This refers to His unchanging divine nature. While He came as a man and experienced human limitations, His eternal divine essence remained constant. Jesus being tempted (Hebrews 4:15) and yet without sin demonstrates His perfection and ability to sympathize with humanity, but it doesn’t diminish His divinity.

4. Jesus as the Son of God
Yes, Scripture repeatedly refers to Jesus as the Son of God, which reflects His unique relationship with the Father. However, this title doesn’t deny His divinity. In John 5:18, the Jews understood that by calling God His Father, Jesus was “making Himself equal with God.” Furthermore, Hebrews 1:8 explicitly calls Jesus God: “But of the Son, He says, ‘Your throne, O God, is forever and ever.’”

5. James 1:13 - God cannot be tempted
This verse refers to God in His divine essence, which cannot be tempted. However, Jesus, in His humanity, experienced temptation (Hebrews 4:15) but did not sin. This dual nature—fully God and fully man—is central to Christian theology (John 1:14).

6. Romans 5:17 - Jesus as the one man
Jesus indeed came as a man to redeem humanity, succeeding where Adam failed. However, this doesn’t negate His divinity. Philippians 2:6-7 explains that Jesus, though in the form of God, took on the form of a servant, being made in human likeness. His humanity was necessary for His role as the perfect mediator and High Priest (1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 9:15).

Thank you for sharing these verses, and I hope this response helps clarify these theological points.

Thankgod89:
Many people debate whether Jesus is truly God.

gohf:
theological points which are not from God are from the devil, or are you saying God is a liar?

Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me.

What is "the mystery of the incarnation"? If not a lie from the devil. Did God become a man or send a man? Why have you chosen to believe a lie that you have been fed even when it goes against God's word? Why have you chosen to side with the world against God's word?

"When Jesus became man" yet you said he is the same yesterday, today and forever.


Yet do even understand the purpose of Philippians 2,
Therefore God also has highly exalted him and given him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Is God a deceiver, that he became a man, then exalts himself or exalts another god? Or is God a rewarder of those who serve and obey Him?

Acts.3.13 The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let Him go.

Do you not understand or do you pretend not to?

Col 2: 8-10 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

Let me not debate the meaning of the greek word used there that is translated as Godhead but didn't Jesus say in John.10.38 but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him." Did the Father being in him make him the Father?

Have you no understanding of why Paul says so we are complete in Christ who unites us with the Father?

If you reject what the truth is so as to support your points, who will support you and accept you on that day. I rebuke you out of love, that you may see the error and understand the truth.

So is Jesus to you the sympathetic God? So another god was needed to quench the wrath of God?
Is it the interpretation from the Jews that becomes your truth or the words of Jesus?
You quote from John 5, but then you deny the testimony of the scripture, of John the baptist and of the Father himself, why?

John.5.19 - Then Jesus answered and said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.
John.5.20 - For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may marvel.
John.5.30 - I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

Why do you think Jesus answered this way, was he so afraid of the Jews that he would lie about being equal to God? If he lied then how is Jesus full of grace and truth and by the way does Jesus being full of grace and truth which is the nature of God, make him God, but we also receive same nature from him, does that make us God as well?

John.5.43 - I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.
John.5.44 - How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God?

Are you saying Jesus is lying or hiding or denying he is a god when he acknowledges his father as the ONLY GOD.

This dual nature—fully God and fully man—is central to Christian theology (John 1:14).

We preach the gospel repent for the kingdom of God is at hand
We preach salvation and God's grace but we never proclaim that Jesus is God

John.1.14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only man born of our Father God, full of grace and truth.

John wrote in 1John.4.2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God..

He did not write come as flesh and spirit, Jesus having God's nature as being born of God doesn't make him God but the son of God.

Let me tell you what negates that Jesus is God, except you are calling God a liar

Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. written by prophet Isaiah

Joel 2:27 — And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.

Or where they lying on God's behalf?

Was Jesus lying as well?

And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

Please listen


since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.

For there is one God . and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.

"You shall have no other gods before Me.

For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Thankgod89:
Let me respectfully respond to some of your points, as I believe this discussion is important in understanding the identity of Jesus Christ and the message of the gospel.

1. "We never proclaim that Jesus is God"
While the gospel calls us to preach repentance and salvation, Scripture also reveals Jesus' divine identity. John 1:1 explicitly states, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” This same Word, as John 1:14 affirms, “became flesh and dwelt among us.” The divinity of Jesus is an essential part of understanding who He is and the power of His sacrifice for sin. If Jesus were not God, His sacrifice could not provide eternal redemption (Hebrews 9:12-14).

2. "Jesus having God's nature doesn't make Him God but the Son of God"
The title "Son of God" does not diminish Jesus' divinity. Rather, in the cultural and theological context of Scripture, it affirms His equality with God. For instance, in John 5:18, when Jesus called God His Father, the Jews sought to kill Him because they understood that He was "making Himself equal with God." Similarly, Philippians 2:6 says that Jesus, “being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God.”

3. Old Testament affirmations of God's uniqueness
Isaiah 46:9 and Joel 2:27 declare that there is one God, and this remains true. The doctrine of the Trinity does not contradict this; rather, it affirms that God is one in essence but revealed in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Jesus’ claims to divinity are consistent with this. For example, in John 8:58, Jesus declared, "Before Abraham was, I AM," directly referencing God's name in Exodus 3:14. The Jews understood this as a claim to divinity, which is why they sought to stone Him for blasphemy.

4. "Eternal life is to know the only true God and Jesus Christ whom You have sent" (John 17:3)
This verse emphasizes the relationship between the Father and the Son. Jesus is sent by the Father to reveal God’s nature and accomplish salvation. Yet throughout His ministry, Jesus also affirms His unity with the Father. In John 10:30, He says, “I and the Father are one,” a statement that caused His opponents to accuse Him of making Himself God (John 10:33).

5. Jesus as Mediator
Yes, 1 Timothy 2:5 declares that Jesus is the "one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus." His role as mediator doesn’t negate His divinity but underscores His unique nature as fully God and fully man. Only someone who is both God and man could bridge the gap between a holy God and sinful humanity (Hebrews 9:15).

6. "You shall have no other gods before Me" (Exodus 20:3)
Worship is reserved for God alone, yet Jesus receives worship multiple times in Scripture (Matthew 14:33, John 20:28). Thomas, after seeing the resurrected Christ, declared, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28). If Jesus were not God, He would have rebuked such worship, as Paul and Barnabas did when people tried to worship them (Acts 14:14-15). Instead, Jesus accepts it, affirming His divine nature.

7. Jude 1:4
Jude warns against those who deny "the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ." This passage doesn’t separate Jesus from divinity but highlights the danger of distorting the true identity of both God and Christ. It reminds us of the importance of preserving sound doctrine, including the divinity of Jesus.

Final Thoughts
The Bible consistently reveals Jesus as both fully God and fully man. His divinity does not contradict the oneness of God but is a key aspect of the Trinity. Understanding this mystery is essential to grasp the full gospel message. Jesus’ divinity gives power to His sacrifice, His resurrection, and His ability to save eternally.

gohf:
First you did not answer the question, did God lie?

It's important you answer, everyone of you avoid answering this one question DID GOD LIE? It's a yes or a no.

I am bold enough to say scripture NEVER reveals Jesus is God, with God's word backing me up, not opinions not theology.

If you choose to explain a verse outside the word of God, where are you getting your understanding from?

The divinity of Jesus is NOT an essential part of understanding who He is and the power of His sacrifice for sin. For God did not die, and there was NEVER a promise that God would die for anyone.

If I spoke on personal revelation you would claim it is what I saw but now the very word of God revealed to us, now do you then deny the major part because of what you choose to believe?

Here you claim, "If Jesus were not God, His sacrifice could not provide eternal redemption (Hebrews 9:12-14)."

Which is a lie

First the very writer of Hebrews wrote in Heb.5.1 For every high priest taken from among men is appointed for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins.

Heb.5.4 - And no man takes this honor to himself, but he who is called by God, just as Aaron was.
Heb.5.5 - So also Christ did not glorify Himself to become High Priest, but it was He who said to Him: "You are My Son, Today I have begotten You."


So therefore what now is your basis to twist the words of the writer of Hebrews and accuse him of proclaiming Jesus is another god?

Do you not realise the consequences of your teaching?

Heb.9.11 - But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation.
Heb.9.14 - how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb.9.15 - And for this reason he is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.


Who is Jesus the man chosen by God
Who is Jesus our high priest and mediator
For whom those he mediate? For us
To whom those he mediate? To God, THE LIVING GOD.

Do you even understand the conditions for providing eternal redemption for you to claim he who mediates has to be a god?

You ignore the truth to stand firm on what you believe, you believe the words of the Jews rather than the words of Jesus, isn't it obvious you reject the correction.

The doctrine of the Trinity does contradict this because it is a lie from the devil; it doesn't affirms that God is one in essence but revealed in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

What the heck is essence, is God an essence, you have reduced God or killed the one true God in order to create and accept three Gods. Is God three people? Where did God ever say I am three, He never did. Never did He call the son, god the son, if he were god then you accuse God of lying anf denying the godhood of Jesus.

So God filled God with God without measure?

You believe such because the devil is an author of confusion.

How can two things which contradict eachother be both true, except you wish to lie to yourself. How can God say He alone is God, and the son say the same thing, yet you claim that what you say which contradicts them is also true? Remember another truth is what the serpent told Eve.

You say, in John 8:58, that because Jesus declared, "Before Abraham was, I AM," directly referencing God's name in Exodus 3:14. Did God tell you that was or is His name? So if I said I am gohf, I am is my name or since you say I am proofs God, therefore it is God gohf.

what manner of delusion is this?

Is this not in your bible (Exod.3.15) Moreover God said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: "Jehovah, God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.'

Or are you saying God lied and changed His name?
Exod.6.3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name YHVH (Jehovah) I was not known to them.

You claim, "the Jews understood this as a claim to divinity, which is why they sought to stone Him for blasphemy." The very Jews who rejected Jesus as the Messiah and wanted him dead and crucified him. You believe the Jews and not Jesus?

Why did they not stone him, if it wasn't a false accusation? Don't choose to answer what waters the weeds planted by the devil, and neglect the truth.

Don't use this "This verse emphasizes the relationship between the Father and the Son." As an excuse to whitewash a lie.

To close your eyes and write such a thing, "His role as mediator doesn’t negate His divinity but underscores His unique nature as fully God and fully man. Only someone who is both God and man could bridge the gap between a holy God and sinful humanity" adding to God's word are you afraid to accept the truth?

Jesus wasn't bothered God and man, he isn't some hybrid, God didn't sleep with Mary, Jesus is purely and completely a man made by God, not from the dust but from His word. The word didn't become part God and part man neither did it become a 200% mistake which is impossible, he was 100% like God as a man, and he still is a man.

Rom.5.17-18 - For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.) Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.


No where is Jesus called God, no where is worshipped as God, he is honoured and worshipped as the lamb of God but never seen nor called God.

Philip didn't worship Jesus and proclaim him God, John who wrote that, wrote right after
John.20.31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

Yet what do you believe and teach, if it is not what accuses God of being a liar. An accusation invented by the devil.

Yet here you are, saying, "Instead, Jesus accepts it, affirming His divine nature." Whereas Jesus never accepted worship as God but as Lord whom God made him to be.

Instead of accepting the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus, you distort it and remove the true God and claim that Jesus is both lord and God.

Yet because you want to believe a lie, let it be recorded this day that I have told you the truth but you have said, "the Bible consistently reveals Jesus as both fully God and fully man. His divinity does not contradict the oneness of God but is a key aspect of the Trinity. Understanding this mystery is essential to grasp the full gospel message. Jesus’ divinity gives power to His sacrifice, His resurrection, and His ability to save eternally."

If you do not repent and continue to preach this lie, the doctrine of the nicolitians called the creed of Nicene, and souls perish because of it, let it be on you.

For Jesus is not God, only falsechrist claims to be god

Thankgod89:
In Bible teaching, it's not simply about saying "yes" or "no." Instead, we aim to explain the scripture’s position, and it’s perfectly fine if you don’t see it from my perspective. My prayer is that God will bless us with deeper understanding and knowledge of Him.

I trust you agree that the prophecy spoken by Prophet Isaiah in Isaiah 9:6 is divinely inspired. The verse states:
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

Who do you believe this passage is referring to?

I'm patiently waiting for your response.
Thanks.

gohf:
you ask without answering 🤦🏿‍♂️

Should you not question the translation when you read his name and not his nameS?

Should you not question the translation when it says he will be called everlasting Father? Whereas Jesus was never called Father but called God Father?

Would you accept the correct translation when you reject God's word already, because of what you believe?

Severally times I have answered this same question and none of them have refuted it but excused it while continuing to believe their nonsense.

If you answer even just the questions I have posted here I may answer you but if you don't, don't you see it doesn't matter. To you it is perspective but to me it is souls.

The difference is truly the heart, if the spirit of God cannot or doesn't tell you why should I? Ask him what is his name, who does the spirit of God tell you the Messiah is?

Thankgod89:
There are certain statements I find inappropriate when discussing Scripture, especially with someone who is meant to represent Christ, as Colossians 3:17 encourages. Dismissing others' perspectives as "nonsense" doesn’t help anyone grow spiritually. Let’s strive to engage respectfully and focus on understanding the bigger picture.

If the translation I’m using reflects something you disagree with, it’s not something to hold against anyone. If your preferred translation keeps you aligned with your beliefs, then embrace it, and let’s move forward. After all, what truly matters in this journey of faith is Christ, His light, and His righteousness. Please follow your conviction and translation. Thank you.

Thankgod89:
Many people debate whether Jesus is truly God. The explanation below provides a detailed understanding of why Jesus Christ is called God. The Bible says, " Matthew 11:27 says:
"All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."

While we acknowledge the Father and the Son, the divine nature of Christ establishes Him as God.


In John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God "

Explanation using the key component

1. In the beginning: this echoes Genesis 1:1, emphasizing the eternal nature of the word
2. The word : a title for Jesus Christ, highlighting His role as the embodiment of God's message, wisdom and creative power.(Colossians 1:16)
3. Was with God: this indicate a close intimate relationship between the word and God.
4. And the word was God: this affirm the divinity of Jesus Christ, establishing His equality with God.(Philippians 2:16)

Key implications of Jesus divinity

1. Eternal existence: Jesus has always existed, having no beginning or end. ( John 1:1-3, Hebrews 13:
2. Omnipotent: Jesus possesses all power and authority being able to accomplish anything He desires ( Matthew 28:18, Revelation 19:6).
3. Omniscience : Jesus has complete knowledge and understanding, knowing all things past, present and future (John 16:30, Colossians 2:3).
4. Omnipresent: Jesus is present everywhere being able to be with all people at all time Matthew 18:20, Ephesians 4:6).
5. Immutable: Jesus is unchanging, being the same yesterday, today and forever (Hebrews 13:
6. Holy : Jesus is completely holy, being separate from sin and morally perfect (Luke 1:35, Hebrews 4:15).

Happy Sunday!!!

gohf:
did I preach a translation to you? No

Did you not miss the whole point of the message? Yes

Did you ignore the things I wrote? Yes

Are you here justifying yourself again? Yes

Was I wrote not in the name of Jesus? Yes it was

If you see my responses as calling your perspective nonsense, then is your pride more important than the truth?

Have you focused on what is true? No, you haven't, you have ignored what I asked and restated your perspective even if it means ignoring what both God and Jesus said.

You want to be respected in error?

When God asks you, where you not told, what would you respond?

That you wanted to grow by ignoring what you were told and insisting on what you see?

If you had with honesty and humility wanted to understand Isaiah that you quoted would your response not have been different?

If you cannot see that you are wrong it is not because there is no light but because you are blinded by what is inside. I was blind as well but I didn't have such stubbornness maybe if I did I would be you. I listen and I asked, I studied and I prayed, I waited be it months or years.

Did Paul not take years to study, yet with a little a child run wild, even when corrected you call it your perspective.

What is more important souls perishing because of lack of the truth or your perspective.

You read all I wrote and yet you do not know and still you do not understand.

Have I not taught children with a few verses and they understand even more verses, so if my words do not show you then let the spirit of God do so, but do not give me a hypocritical response of being respectful and focusing on the bigger picture when it is your own picture that you want the focus to be on.

Truthseeker10:
Do you agree that the diagram in the screenshot below explains the structure of the Trinity?

Thankgod89:
I agree with the structure

Truthseeker10:
So explain John 1:18.
King James Bible
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

If Jesus is the Almighty God according to John 1:1, why then does John 1:18 says no one has seen God when people actually saw Jesus?

gohf:
you ask without answering 🤦🏿‍♂️

Should you not question the translation when you read his name and not his nameS?

Should you not question the translation when it says he will be called everlasting Father? Whereas Jesus was never called Father but called God Father?

Would you accept the correct translation when you reject God's word already, because of what you believe?

Severally times I have answered this same question and none of them have refuted it but excused it while continuing to believe their nonsense.

If you answer even just the questions I have posted here I may answer you but if you don't, don't you see it doesn't matter. To you it is perspective but to me it is souls.

The difference is truly the heart, if the spirit of God cannot or doesn't tell you why should I? Ask him what is his name, who does the spirit of God tell you the Messiah is?

Thankgod89:
John 1:18 emphasizes the transcendence and invisibility of God in His essence. God, in His full, infinite, and spiritual nature, cannot be seen by human eyes or comprehended fully by finite beings. However, the verse goes on to state that the "only begotten Son" (Jesus), who is intimately united with the Father ("in the bosom of the Father", has "declared" or revealed Him.

John 1:1 affirms Jesus' divinity, calling Him the "Word" (Logos), who was both with God and was God. Jesus is understood as God incarnate—the physical, human manifestation of the divine. When people saw Jesus, they saw God in a form that humanity could perceive and relate to. Jesus Himself addressed this when He said, "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father" (John 14:9).

Truthseeker10:
So Jesus on earth was not fully God since he was physical on earth? Does the word 'God' in John 1:18 refer to Jesus since he shares the same essence(God) with the Father?


If people saw the father when they saw Jesus according to John 14:9, are you now saying that Jesus was the father on earth? Would you not also be contradicting John 1:18 that says that no one has seen 'God' at any time?

Thankgod89:
Here’s an analogy (though not perfect, as God transcends human understanding):

Let consider the sun as a source. From it come light, heat, and radiance.

The light represents the Father, illuminating and guiding all things.

The radiance represents the Son, the visible expression of the source.

The heat represents the Spirit, the energy and presence felt by all.


Though they are distinct in function, they all originate from the same source (the sun) and share the same essence.

In the Trinity:

The Father is the source and origin.

The Son is the Word, through whom the Father creates and redeems.

The Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son, applying God’s work to creation and believers.


From the analogy, we can understand who Jesus is. The issue arises from calling Him God, which stems from the fact that one cannot be separated from their word. If there were another name to describe Jesus apart from "God," much of the debate might not exist.

Thankgod89:
Here’s an analogy (though not perfect, as God transcends human understanding):

Let consider the sun as a source. From it come light, heat, and radiance.

The light represents the Father, illuminating and guiding all things.

The radiance represents the Son, the visible expression of the source.

The heat represents the Spirit, the energy and presence felt by all.


Though they are distinct in function, they all originate from the same source (the sun) and share the same essence.


In the Trinity:

The Father is the source and origin.

The Son is the Word, through whom the Father creates and redeems.

The Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son,
applying God’s work to creation and believers.


From the analogy, we can understand who Jesus is. The issue arises from calling Him God, which stems from the fact that one cannot be separated from their word. If there were another name to describe Jesus apart from "God," much of the debate might not exist.

Janosky:

EVERYTHING proceeds from God the Father Creator of Jesus & EVERYTHING.
Ephesians 1:3 & Ephesians 4:6, God is the Father of ALL not Jesus Christ.
John 1:1 says "the Word" not your word (@ John 17:17).
@ John 1:1 " the Word",a being Jesus proceeds from God his Father and Creator.
Anyone that proceeds from God is a god.
God the Source/Origin said his sons are gods, Psalms 82:1,6. ( This truth Confirmed by Jesus @ John 10:34-36.
Therefore,@ John 1:1,"the Word /son of God is a god).
God his Father did not proceed from any Source.
Oga, do you understand that?