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DaddyCoool:
3) At His death Christ was literally FINISHED in capital letters. He had no money, no influence, no church building, no high connections, and even his closest friends were denying him. But his resurrection CHANGED everything - from dead and finished to being worshiped as God, till today!

Again, if everything he stood — His birth, His promises, teachings, declarations, His experiences with His Father, etc. — turned to dust — was rendered null and void — then surely you can see that it is erroneous to claim that the man who was resurrected was the same man who had died.

DaddyCoool:
4) Asking you again, since the biblical Israelites are gone does it mean God no longer exists??

Gone how? Are you OK? How can a nation of people completely vanish off of the face of the earth without even a record of that in fact happening? The book instead insists that they were scattered across all of the earth, but your lazy-minded conclusion is instead that they are gone. For what purpose or reason did you reach this inane conclusion?

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✹YHWH — God of Israel — announced beginning in the books of Moses —Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers & Deuteronomy— that He would eventually scatter the Israelites to all the four corners as a result of their disobedience, and then after a time He would gather them back to Himself. This message is recounted by many of His prophets. After the death of Solomon, the original nation of Israel created by Moses, was divided into two nations — the northern nation of Israel and the southern nation of Judah- 1 Kings 11-13. The first scattering was announced by Isaiah and Amos and took place at the time the Assyrian army destroyed the northern nation of Israel, killed some of the population and scattered the rest out as slaves to other nations- 728-720BC. The second scattering took place as the prophets including Jesus Christ announced in the latter part of the 1st century —beginning around 70AD—when the Roman empire destroyed Jerusalem and Judah along with several other nations in the area.

Kobojunkie:
Three things to show that your statement above is born of utter ignorance of that which is in fact contained in Israelite Scripture.

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✹The term gentile, right from its very first use in the book of Genesis 10, is used to refer to people who are all members of the same bloodline aka family.
IT was first used about the family of Japheth, I believe he was the father of the Arabs. And was later on used about the family of Jacob — meaning those who are of the bloodline of Jacob just as YHWH made clear through His Prophets.

✹Purity of bloodline as stipulated in the Law of Moses while living in the Canaan did not restrict the Israelites from intermarrying. Intermarriage was specifically prohibited between the people of Israel at the time in the land of Canaan and the people of the listed nations.

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✹ For the umpteenth time, Jesus Christ of Israel declared to His disciples that He was sent ONLY to the Lost sheep of Israel by His Father, YHWH, God of Israel, who is recorded to have declared them His Lost sheep.

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Ignorance is not bliss!

● I notice you are hung up on certain terms and words - like gentile or lost sheep of Israel! You probably read a little bit of something somewhere. Hence the saying, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing
Oga, unless you invent your own language, we all know what we mean when we say "gentile". See the definition below!

● Why do you think the Samaritans were no longer considered among the chosen people by the South?

● Were you there when he declared it? Coming of Christ was foretold in many places in the Bible (see some below). Bearing in mind the bible is to be taken as a whole, list for us places where it says he was coming for only house of Isrel. Then look at Revelation and notice it's talking in terms of the world not just Irael!

Kobojunkie:
The fact that the book contains some contradictory claims/opinions DOES NOT then bestow on you or anyone's power to add, remove, or change what is written though. The moment you resort to doing that— adding your fantasies wherever you please, removing ideas you are not comfortable with or even changing things up to fit your particular preferences all while abandoning the original message intended by the individual authors of the books— you are no longer within the realm of the book but writing an entirely different book altogether. That is the ridiculousness of religion... all of them.

Which is why your own eyes and senses override anything written in any book.
Example, let's say you believe God is deeply involved in human affairs. And from READING the Bible you determine that worship of Christ as God is blasphemy and a great sin against God. But you KNOW he was raised by same God from the dead knowing fully well he'd be worshipped as God. And 2000+ years later you observe all those who worship him have been exploded in numbers, prosperity, and influence for 2000+ years!

Kobojunkie:
Again, if everything he stood — His birth, His promises, teachings, declarations, His experiences with His Father, etc. — turned to dust — was rendered null and void — then surely you can see that it is erroneous to claim that the man who was resurrected was the same man who had died.

We KNOW it was the same man because his closest who KNEW him very well could tell it was the same exact Spirit - though the body could have been "glorified"

DaddyCoool:
● I notice you are hung up on certain terms and words - like gentile or lost sheep of Israel! You probably read a little bit of something somewhere. Hence the saying, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
● Oga, unless you invent your own language, we all know what we mean when we say "gentile". See the definition below!
● Why do you think the Samaritans were no longer considered among the chosen people by the South?
● Were you there when he declared it? Coming of Christ was foretold in many places in the Bible (see some below). Bearing in mind the bible is to be taken as a whole, list for us places where it says he was coming for only house of Isrel.
● Then look at Revelation and notice it's talking in terms of the world not just Irael!

I am not hung on them but rather in contextual integrity which is necessary when reading any text out there written by humans in human language including this one.

2. Human language rules exist for unifying understanding. We do not all know the meaning of the word since you keep insisting that the definition given to the word by the authors of the books thousands of years ago should be ignored for more contemporary meaning which derives mostly from religious intentions removed from that indicated by the authors. Surely, you can see how silly that is.

3. No longer considered among the chosen people by whom? Jesus Christ of Israel went to and preached directly to the Samaritans who were descendants of Ephraim — Joseph's Son—, so how can you claim they were no longer chosen when Jesus Christ of Israel by the Word of His Father, YHWH, God of Israel went directly to them to ensure they were made His followers?

4. The thing about the word EVERLASTING is that one does not have to be there to at least be able to assert its meaning.

5. If John, who wrote the book of dreams called the Book of Revelation was himself submitted to Jesus Christ of Israel, tell me how can there exist a different meaning in John's assertions from that formerly proclaimed by His Master and Lord?

DaddyCoool:
✹We KNOW it was the same man because his closest who KNEW him very well could tell it was the same exact Spirit - though the body could have been "glorified"

On what grounds were those closest to him able to rightly judge the man as having the same spirit as He did before His death and resurrection though? Did it not have to do with their resolving that the man resurrected from the dead continued to proclaim the very same teachings, promises, declarations, experiences, etc. made by the spirit before the man's death and resurrection?

DaddyCoool:
✹Which is why your own eyes and senses override anything written in any book. Example, let's say you believe God is deeply involved in human affairs. And from READING the Bible you determine that worship of Christ as God is blasphemy and a great sin against God. But you KNOW he was raised by same God from the dead knowing fully well he'd be worshipped as God. And 2000+ years later you observe all those who worship him have been exploded in numbers, prosperity, and influence for 2000+ years!

This is bullsheet! It makes no sense at all!

Again, Jesus Christ of Israel and His Father together proclaim they are of Israel alone. Meaning that if I am not of the bloodline, I waste my time attempting to worship both Jesus Christ of Israel and His Father, YHWH — God of Israel. All attempts at worshipping them are in vain because they do not receive worship from anyone who is not of the Jacob bloodline; this is non-negotiable and very simple. So, why do you feel you can impose your vanity —useless religion — on him regardless?

Kobojunkie:
Gone how? Are you OK? How can a nation of people completely vanish off of the face of the earth without even a record of that in fact happening? The book instead insists that they were scattered across all of the earth, but your lazy-minded conclusion is instead that they are gone. For what purpose or reason did you reach this inane conclusion?

Like I said I hope I'm not chatting with someone rather slow. 10 tribes of Israel were described as "lost"
How did the lost tribes of Israel get lost ("a nation of people completely vanish off of the face of the earth"} and stay lost till today?

DaddyCoool:
➜Like I said I hope I'm not chatting with someone rather slow. 10 tribes of Israel were described as "lost"
➜How did the lost tribes of Israel get lost ("a nation of people completely vanish off of the face of the earth"} and stay lost till today?

1. Interesting religious tales by moonlight! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

By the way, there are 12 tribes of Israel. 3 of the 12 tribes make up the Jewish tribes of Israel — Judah, Levi, and Benjamin. (This happens to be the tribes that formed the nation of Judah after the death of Solomon.) As at the time that Jesus Christ of Israel lived in the nation of Judah, we can confirm that lived there in that land members of a fourth tribe — the Samaritans who are descendants of Joseph— Ephraim, and Manasseh. So when did these 10 tribes you speak of go missing? (my guess is by lost, you are not using the Scriptural meaning of the term but rather contemporary meaning here.) That is a total of 4 tribes at least living in Judah as of the 1st century AD.

So, when exactly did the 10 tribes, according to you, disappear? Who disappeared them? How did they disappear? 😐😐😐😐

2. You should be the one telling me since you are the one propagating this religious lie in this context. I am interested in learning how you were able to come to believe them to be lost.

Kobojunkie:
1. Interesting religious tales by moonlight! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

By the way, there are 12 tribes of Israel. 3 of the 12 tribes make up the Jewish tribes of Israel — Judah, Levi, and Benjamin. (This happens to be the tribes that formed the nation of Judah after the death of Solomon.) As at the time that Jesus Christ of Israel lived in the nation of Judah, we can confirm that lived there in that land members of a fourth tribe — the Samaritans who are descendants of Joseph— Ephraim, and Manasseh. So when did these 10 tribes you speak of go missing? (my guess is by lost, you are not using the Scriptural meaning of the term but rather contemporary meaning here.) That is a total of 4 tribes at least living in Judah as of the 1st century AD.

So, when exactly did the 10 tribes, according to you, disappear? Who disappeared them? How did they disappear? 😐😐😐😐

2. You should be the one telling me since you are the one propagating this religious lie in this context. I am interested in learning how you were able to come to believe them to be lost.

See below

DaddyCoool:
➜See below

You are not paying attention at all, are you? Go back through my previous comment again. 😂😂😂😂😂

✹ By the way, there are 12 tribes of Israel. 3 of the 12 tribes make up the Jewish tribes of Israel — Judah, Levi, and Benjamin. (This happens to be the tribes that formed the nation of Judah after the death of Solomon.) As at the time that Jesus Christ of Israel lived in the nation of Judah, we can confirm that lived there in that land members of a fourth tribe — the Samaritans who are descendants of Joseph— Ephraim, and Manasseh. So when did these 10 tribes you speak of go missing? (my guess is by lost, you are not using the Scriptural meaning of the term but rather contemporary meaning here.) That is a total of 4 tribes at least living in Judah as of the 1st century AD.

So, when exactly did the 10 tribes, according to you, disappear? Who disappeared them? How did they disappear? You understand what the word disappear means, right? 😐😐😐😐

Also, the word Disappeared/Lost does not mean the same as Exiled since Exiled simply means you have been booted out of your own land or country, but that does not mean you are missing or lost.

Kobojunkie:
1. Interesting religious tales by moonlight! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

By the way, there are 12 tribes of Israel. 3 of the 12 tribes make up the Jewish tribes of Israel — Judah, Levi, and Benjamin. (This happens to be the tribes that formed the nation of Judah after the death of Solomon.) [b]As at the time that Jesus Christ of Israel lived in the nation of Judah, we can confirm that lived there in that land members of a fourth tribe — the Samaritans who are descendants of Joseph— Ephraim, and Manasseh. So when did these 10 tribes you speak of go [/b]missing? (my guess is by lost, you are not using the Scriptural meaning of the term but rather contemporary meaning here.) That is a total of 4 tribes at least living in Judah as of the 1st century AD.

So, when exactly did the 10 tribes, according to you, disappear? Who disappeared them? How did they disappear? 😐😐😐😐

2. You should be the one telling me since you are the one propagating this religious lie in this context. I am interested in learning how you were able to come to believe them to be lost.

See below who were Samaritans durring the time of Christ.
You have to start paying me for all these lessons

DaddyCoool:
➜See below who were Samaritans durring the time if Christ.
➜You have to start paying me for all these lessons

So, the Samaritans were never in fact lost/disappeared then? Right? This all means that there were never 10 lost/disappeared tribes of Israel after all, right?

2. Ignorance is really not bliss that you would think to revel in it. 😑

Kobojunkie:
So, the Samaritans were never in fact lost/disappeared then? Right? This all means that there were never 10 lost/disappeared tribes of Israel after all, right?

2. Ignorance is really not bliss that you would think to revel in it. 😑

I know am not chatting with a slowpoke. Were they not among the 10 tribes considered lost. That tells you that lost is more than physical. They were still in same location but were lost because the mixed with Gentiles.
By the way you said they lived in Judah, which is false

DaddyCoool:
➜I know am not chatting with a slowpoke.
➜Were they not among the 10 tribes considered lost. That tells you that lost is more than physical.
➜They were still in same location but were lost because the mixed with Gentiles.
➜By the way you said they lived in Judah, which is false

I am not the slowpoke in this case since you are instead the one who seems slow to catch on to the many mistakes of the claims you continue to make here. 😏

2. You know how to do math, right?😏
⇾ The first article claimed that 10 tribes were lost only to reveal that rather than lost, they were instead exiled from their country of Israel sometime around 700 BC.
⇾ but from Scripture, we know that only 9 tribes occupied the northern nation of Israel while the other 3 occupied the nation of Judah(the second Israelite nation) from the time of their creation.
⇾ Then your third article said that the Samaritans — descendants of Joseph— who formerly lived in the nation of Israel, were found to live in Judah after Israel was destroyed.

Do the math abeg and see how the claim that 10 tribes were lost/disappeared is only fabricated nonsense.

3. What you just declared here makes no sense given the meaning of the term Gentile as documented in Scripture and highlighted in the image you presented earlier. Gentile as used Genesis 10 instead indicates use about members of the same family/clan/nation/bloodline who have been dispersed/scattered/exiled/migrated to different/other nations.

4. I said? You mean where in the Gospels, it is written that Jesus Christ of Israel who was born in the nation of Judah, approached the Samaritans living in Judah, that was all false?

Kobojunkie:
The fact that the book contains some contradictory claims/opinions DOES NOT then bestow on you or anyone's power to add, remove, or change what is written though. The moment you resort to doing that— adding your fantasies wherever you please, removing ideas you are not comfortable with or even changing things up to fit your particular preferences all while abandoning the original message intended by the individual authors of the books— you are no longer within the realm of the book but writing an entirely different book altogether. That is the ridiculousness of religion... all of them.

Kobojunkie, u still dey do cho Cho Cho for dere. You Neva carry your Ghana-mustgo dey come naija?🥱

Hailstone:
Chaaaaaaiiiiiiii, you get bad mouth . They are a very disrespectful lot.

Dey emulate that from their messenger

Kobojunkie:
I am not the slowpoke in this case since you are instead the one who seems slow to catch on to the many mistakes of the claims you continue to make here. 😏

2. You know how to do math, right?😏
⇾ The first article claimed that 10 tribes were lost only to reveal that rather than lost, they were instead exiled from their country of Israel sometime around 700 BC.
⇾ but from Scripture, we know that only 9 tribes occupied the northern nation of Israel while the other 3 occupied the nation of Judah(the second Israelite nation) from the time of their creation.
⇾ Then your third article said that the Samaritans — descendants of Joseph— who formerly lived in the nation of Israel, were found to live in Judah after Israel was destroyed.

Do the math abeg and see how the claim that 10 tribes were lost/disappeared is only fabricated nonsense.

3. What you just declared here makes no sense given the meaning of the term Gentile as documented in Scripture and highlighted in the image you presented earlier. Gentile as used Genesis 10 instead indicates use about members of the same family/clan/nation/bloodline who have been dispersed/scattered/exiled/migrated to different/other nations.

4. I said? You mean where in the Gospels, it is written that Jesus Christ of Israel who was born in the nation of Judah, approached the Samaritans living in Judah, that was all false?

You are now rambling to save face. See below.
Back to the original point, same way the 10 tribes were considered lost, the other two later met same fate. Meaning ALL the tribes are now lost, so again, does that mean Christ/God has stopped existing?

DaddyCoool:
➜You are now rambling to save face. See below. Back to the original, same way the 10 tribe were considered lost, the other two later met same fate. Meaning ALL the tribes are now lost, so again, does that mean Christ/God has stopped existing?

Do you know one big mistake people like you are prone to making? It is assuming everything on the internet is correct and true. 🤔

You did not do the math that I gave you to do earlier, did you? If you had, you have at least begun to rightly question several of the claims made in that piece you keep brandishing. But I guess I shouldn't expect you to reason at all to that point since, since the beginning of this conversation, you have shown a serious inability to reason independently from that which you have previously been fed on these things by your religious loonies. 😏

As I have tried numerous times explaining, they were not lost but exiled/scattered to all the ends of the earth. That is what is stated in Scripture and historically supported. YHWH Himself said He will go out and gather them back to Himself. They are missing(lost) to Him as He knows exactly where He scattered them to and How to find them.🤔

Kobojunkie:
Do you know one big mistake people like you are prone to making? It is assuming everything on the internet is correct and true. 🤔

You did not do the math that I gave you to do earlier, did you? If you had, you have at least begun to rightly question several of the claims made in that piece you keep brandishing. But I guess I shouldn't expect you to reason at all to that point since, since the beginning of this conversation, you have shown a serious inability to reason independently from that which you have previously been fed on these things by your religious loonies. 😏

As I have tried numerous times explaining, they were not lost but exiled/scattered to all the ends of the earth. That is what is stated in Scripture and historically supported. YHWH Himself said He will go out and gather them back to Himself. They are missing(lost) to Him as He knows exactly where He scattered them to and How to find them.🤔

I'm not sure you saw the underlined below. How many practicing jews are in Syria and Iraq today?
The Bible itself calls them "lost". See below. Besides, how can you know better than a system that searches millions of answers in a second. OK, Google something and come show us how it came out wrong!

Which math are you yapping about? And for your information I am the epitome of original thinking. I am not fed by any religious anything at all!

For anyone paying attention, as I already pointed out earlier, this here is another attempt by the so-called religious scholars to impose their own ideas and definitions over that which is in fact contained in Scripture and explained by the God of Israel Himself —YHWH.

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For the umpteenth time, Jesus Christ of Israel declared to His disciples that He was sent ONLY to the Lost sheep of Israel by His Father, YHWH, God of Israel, who is recorded to have declared them His Lost sheep through His Prophets. YHWH even took His time to elaborate in the passage below on why He qualified as Lost sheep.

11 The Lord God says, “I myself will be their Shepherd. I will search for my sheep and take care of them.
12 If a shepherd is with his sheep when they begin to wander away, he will go searching for them. In the same way I will search for my sheep. I will save them and bring them back from all the places where they were scattered on that dark and cloudy day.
13 I will bring them back from those nations. I will gather them from those countries and bring them back to their own land. I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the streams, and in all the places where people live.
14 I will lead them to grassy fields. They will go to the place high on the mountains of Israel and lie down on good ground and eat the grass. They will eat in rich grassland on the mountains of Israel.
15 Yes, I will feed my flock, and I will lead them to a place of rest.” This is what the Lord God said.
16 “I will search for the lost sheep. I will bring back the sheep that were scattered and put bandages on the sheep that were hurt. I will make the weak sheep strong, but I will destroy the fat and powerful shepherds. I will feed them the punishment they deserve.” - Ezekiel 34 vs 1....31

A quick read through the chapter of Ezekiel 34 would help enlighten anyone reading that compendium of books called the Bible on what YHWH, who sent His Son, only to those whom He considered Lost Sheep of Israel, meant when He regarded them as Lost Sheep of Isreal and His description of them has nothing to do with them falling off the face of the earth or going missing. YHWH's idea regarding His lost sheep is completely removed from the assertions made by the religious-minded folks who have cooked up stories of 10 tribes of Israel up and vanishing from the face of the earth.

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Ignorance is not bliss!