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Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by jamesmorhanbfn: 2:18pm On Feb 01, 2025
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Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:23pm On Feb 01, 2025
TheDevilsBride:
God is at liberty to arbitrarily decide the best way to prove himself, and I'm supposed to just take a seat, watch on, and applaud like a mindless drone? Nah, I'll pass on that one, my dear.
I accepted that but if you don't that's not my problem to me after following the process i have come to agree that He exists and He is GOOOOOOOOD! smiley
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:26pm On Feb 01, 2025
TheDevilsBride:
I hear you. Abeg while you're at it, remember to sprinkle some pixie dust for us, at least to end world hunger and poverty. Joker grin.
To do that He will have to exterminate all your rulers {Daniel 2:44} because they are in control of the resources it's only the ones in our possession that we are using for our benefit! Isaiah 48:17
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by TheDevilsBride(f): 3:26am On Feb 02, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
To do that He will have to exterminate all your rulers {Daniel 2:44} because they are in control of the resources it's only the ones in our possession that we are using for our benefit! Isaiah 48:17
I'm rather doubtful that your god will be able to carry out this "extermination", if he can't even manage the far simpler task of ending your embarrassing misuse of scripture grin.
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by TheDevilsBride(f):
MaxInDHouse:
I accepted that but if you don't that's not my problem to me after following the process i have come to agree that He exists and He is GOOOOOOOOD! smiley
So you've "followed the process" and found that your god is "GOOOOOOOOD!" - with precisely eight O's, no less! I suppose that's what passes for empirical evidence and intellectual rigor in your worldview, smh lmao grin.
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:41am On Feb 02, 2025
TheDevilsBride:
I'm rather doubtful that your god will be able to carry out this "extermination", if he can't even manage the far simpler task of ending your embarrassing misuse of scripture grin.
Doubts comes to mind when the person in question has failed to fulfill promises he or she made in the past but as you can see for yourself Jehovah always do exactly as He says! smiley
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:44am On Feb 02, 2025
TheDevilsBride:
So you've "followed the process" and found that your god is "GOOOOOOOOD!" - with precisely eight O's, no less! I suppose that's what passes for empirical evidence and intellectual rigor in your worldview, smh lmao grin.
I told you that is your own PERSONAL opinion about Him in view of what He promised He has been consistent so He is soooooooooo Goooooooood! Psalms 34:8
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by TheDevilsBride(f): 12:06pm On Feb 02, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Doubts comes to mind when the person in question has failed to fulfill promises he or she made in the past but as you can see for yourself Jehovah always do exactly as He says! smiley
Of course why not? Jehovah's track record should be impeccable, only in the minds of the devoutly deluded, whereas reality shows that his "promises" remain as unfulfilled as a poor child's letter to Santa Clause tongue.
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:09pm On Feb 02, 2025
TheDevilsBride:
Of course why not? Jehovah's track record should be impeccable, only in the minds of the devoutly deluded, whereas reality shows that his "promises" remain as unfulfilled as a poor child's letter to Santa Clause tongue.
This shows how you view Jehovah after reading his word or listening to others that doesn't mean everyone around you must view Him the same way! smiley
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by Lucifyre: 1:23pm On Feb 02, 2025
Nachmonides:
Alright.

Faith, in the biblical sense, is not believing without evidence but rather trusting based on sufficient evidence as I've said. The Scriptures constantly appeal to reason:
1:18—"Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord."

1 Peter 3:15—"Always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you."

As I've said.

Christianity presents logical reasons to believe:

Cosmological Argument – The universe had a beginning; therefore, it must have a cause. Who or what is the cause of this?—Scriptures tell us it is a being, God.

Teleological Argument – The fine-tuning of the universe points to an intelligent Designer. — Scriptures tell us this intelligent designer is God.

Moral Argument – Objective moral values require a transcendent moral lawgiver. Scriptures tell us this moral lawgiver is God.

Are you well versed in these I've mentioned?
Responded to your prev comments which also addresses these. And yes im familiar with the arguments which have been debunked over and over.
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by TheDevilsBride(f): 1:55pm On Feb 02, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
This shows how you view Jehovah after reading his word or listening to others that doesn't mean everyone around you must view Him the same way! smiley
Tought tits, Idgaf tongue.
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:15pm On Feb 02, 2025
TheDevilsBride:
Tought tits, Idgaf tongue.
You are protesters forming woke simply because you don't grasp some things so you choose to follow the white man's new opinion called "Atheism"

That's why true believers don't get angry no matter what you say so far it's just your hands that's typing what you think we will continue to prove to you guys that you are WRONG about God! smiley
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by TheDevilsBride(f): 4:24pm On Feb 02, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
You are protesters forming woke simply because you don't grasp some things so you choose to follow the white man's new opinion called "Atheism"

That's why true believers don't get angry no matter what you say so far it's just your hands that's typing what you think we will continue to prove to you guys that you are WRONG about God! smiley
...unironically spoken by someone who follows the white man's edited, translated, and curated version of a Middle Eastern religion, smh, you really should get a mirror, and practice some self-awareness. Your "not getting angry" canard is woefully transparent, lol.
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:30pm On Feb 02, 2025
TheDevilsBride:
...unironically spoken by someone who follows the white man's edited, translated, and curated version of a Middle Eastern religion, smh, you really should get a mirror, and practice some self-awareness. Your "not getting angry" canard is woefully transparent, lol.
Can you prove the highlighted? smiley
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by TheDevilsBride(f): 4:42pm On Feb 02, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Can you prove the highlighted? smiley
Lol cheesy!

The Council of Nicaea?

King James?

Martin Luther?

The fact that the Bible you've been quoting is obviously an English translation?

You need me to spell it all out for you, or are you taking the piss, lmao?

Nah, I'm guessing you'd rather just play dumb instead, and pretend your holy text just somehow teleported from the ancient Aramaic scrolls, straight and direct, into your Amazon Kindle, huh grin?
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:59pm On Feb 02, 2025
TheDevilsBride:
Lol cheesy!
The Council of Nicaea?
King James?
Martin Luther?


The fact that the Bible you've been quoting is obviously an English translation?

You need me to spell it all out for you, or are you taking the piss, lmao?

Nah, I'm guessing you'd rather just play dumb instead, and pretend your holy text just somehow teleported from the ancient Aramaic scrolls, straight and direct, into your Amazon Kindle, huh grin?
Which of all that you mentioned is able to uproot hatred that's based on politics and racism from the minds of adherents of their religion?

God promised a New Covenant {Jeremiah 31:33} that will help adherents form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3} so that adherents of this New Religion will speak the same language of peace! Zephaniah 3:9

But because you just feel like cracking jokes you assume it's the religion of the Council of Nicaea, King James, and Martin Luther.

Abeg which of these three attends the religion that adherents has vowed never to raise weapons against their neighbors?

Ọmọ i understand you are protesting but as for what you are trying to define i can tell you with all my chest that you know nothing about it! smiley
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by sonmvayina(m): 5:27pm On Feb 02, 2025
Hahahaha.
I wan laff belle tear..
This is what you get when you take stories and allegories as literal. I have been singing from the top of my voice that God is just an euphemism for consciousness. Nothing more.
The battles recorded In the Torah are all taking place within us. The kings and queens of those towns represent the left hand side of our lives. They represent our negative thoughts and inclinations. Like jealousy,envy, procrastination , hatred, s selfishness. Satan is just a fancy word for our ego...but maxindhouse and co will want to see it otherwise. I even created a thread "the letter killeth" just to explain the stories. But no. They are all as stubborn as a mule...

You guys should continue jare. You have all made my day.
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:30pm On Feb 02, 2025
Sometimes Atheism and it's subscribers really amuse me!

How can you say the religion that uprooted hatred in the minds of people throughout the globe no matter the tribe or race once they become adherents stops learning war and vow never to raise weapons against their neighbours is the same thing that some people practiced in time past yet there is none that's able to get people from other nations into loving their fellow believers in the same God? smiley
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by OkpaNsukkaisBae(m): 5:30pm On Feb 02, 2025
he's a sadist.
More reason why people shouldn't listen to him
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:35pm On Feb 02, 2025
OkpaNsukkaisBae:
he's a sadist.
More reason why people shouldn't listen to him
There is a reason why someone became a sadist because no one is born a sadist so true Christianity is about turning sadists into joyful individuals who will leave their homes to go and share the Good News of God's Kingdom with others around them.

True Christians listen to everyone around us:

“You are the salt of the earth" Matthew 5:13

Christians are sent to bring Good News to people to gladden their hearts!
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by sonmvayina(m): 5:46pm On Feb 02, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
There is a reason why someone became a sadist because no one is born a sadist so true Christianity is about turning sadists into joyful individuals who will leave their homes to go and share the Good News of God's Kingdom with others around them.

True Christians listen to everyone around us:

“You are the salt of the earth" Matthew 5:13

Christians are sent to bring Good News to people to gladden their hearts!
The so called good news is a lie
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:47pm On Feb 02, 2025
sonmvayina:
The so called good news is a lie
OK! smiley

Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by sonmvayina(m): 5:57pm On Feb 02, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
OK! smiley
Somebody once said you got jokes....

You really got jokes....

That's seems to be your talent.
Not knocking on people's door....
You ain't got nothing to tell.
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:11pm On Feb 02, 2025
sonmvayina:
Somebody once said you got jokes....
You really got jokes....
That's seems to be your talent.
Not knocking on people's door....
You ain't got nothing to tell.
OK! smiley

Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by TheDevilsBride(f): 6:32pm On Feb 02, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Which of all that you mentioned is able to uproot hatred that's based on politics and racism from the minds of adherents of their religion?
Non-sequitur. However, I appreciate your inadvertent validation of the proofs I presented, by completely ignoring the request you made of me and falling back to irrelevant emotional appeals. I can't even call this a bait-and-switch, because the switch up was so laughably disjointed from the subject of your request.

God promised a New Covenant {Jeremiah 31:33} that will help adherents form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3} so that adherents of this New Religion will speak the same language of peace! Zephaniah 3:9
In the real world, Christians can't even get their shít together, and agree on what the color of Jesus' eyes is, let alone even speak the same language of peace. Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox, JWs, 7-Day Adventists and a gazillion other denominations, all of which claim to be THE true followers of the same God. Tell me more about your big, happy family of petty incessant quarrels and piss fights, lmao.

But because you just feel like cracking jokes you assume it's the religion of the Council of Nicaea, King James, and Martin Luther.
What manner of disconnected logic is this? Abeg go back and read the question you asked, read my response, then read this here post again and again and see if it makes any lick of sense to you.

Abeg which of these three attends the religion that adherents has vowed never to raise weapons against their neighbors?
Are you even aware that the history of Christianity is riddled with more bloodshed than a Quentin Tarantino movie, from the Crusades to the Inquisition?

Ọmọ i understand you are protesting but as for what you are trying to define i can tell you with all my chest that you know nothing about it! smiley
Well, no offense my dear, but you're only just putting "all your chest" into being wantonly ignorant.
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:18pm On Feb 02, 2025
TheDevilsBride:
Non-sequitur. However, I appreciate your inadvertent validation of the proofs I presented, by completely ignoring the request you made of me and falling back to irrelevant emotional appeals. I can't even call this a bait-and-switch, because the switch up was so laughably disjointed from the subject of your request. In the real world, Christians can't even get their shít together, and agree on what the color of Jesus' eyes is, let alone even speak the same language of peace. Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox, JWs, 7-Day Adventists and a gazillion other denominations, all of which claim to be THE true followers of the same God. Tell me more about your big, happy family of petty incessant quarrels and piss fights, lmao.
What manner of disconnected logic is this? Abeg go back and read the question you asked, read my response, then read this here post again and again and see if it makes any lick of sense to you. Are you even aware that the history of Christianity is riddled with more bloodshed than a Quentin Tarantino movie, from the Crusades to the Inquisition? Well, no offense my dear, but you're only just putting "all your chest" into being wantonly ignorant.
So in a nutshell you don't even know what it means to be a Christian you're just claiming you know.

Well for your information Jesus of Nazareth is the man who claims to be the Christ so his teachings is what binds some people together and observers that noticed their movement started calling them "Christians" Act 11:26

Therefore you assuming Christians are people fighting and killing neighbours including their fellow worshipers because of politics shows you don't know what you are saying! smiley
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by TheDevilsBride(f): 7:36pm On Feb 02, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
So in a nutshell you don't even know what it means to be a Christian you're just claiming you know.
Are you then implying that being a Christian means being wilfully obtuse, and oblivious to the glaring inconsistencies and blood-soaked history of your own faith?

Well for your information Jesus of Nazareth is the man who claims to be the Christ so his teachings is what binds some people together and observers that noticed their movement started calling them "Christians" Act 11:26
Isn't it hilarious, how you actually think a 2,000-year-old Palestinian preacher's teachings are what bind people together, and yet you somehow conveniently gloss over the fact that his teachings have been interpreted, reinterpreted, butchered and re-packaged wholesale, from front to back, to create the very divisions I mentioned earlier.

Therefore you assuming Christians are people fighting and killing neighbours including their fellow worshipers because of politics shows you don't know what you are saying! smiley
Smh, so you want me to believe, that the countless Christians who slaughtered each other throughout history were just actors and actresses abi?
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:37pm On Feb 02, 2025
If someone should ask an atheist to say something about scientists he will prove that scientists are people who invented so many things we are using today.
But the same atheist will argue claiming a Christian is anyone who claims being Christian even though such a person has no regard for what Jesus who is called CHRIST taught.

Really hilarious! smiley
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:40pm On Feb 02, 2025
TheDevilsBride:
Are you then implying that being a Christian means being wilfully obtuse, and oblivious to the glaring inconsistencies and blood-soaked history of your own faith? Isn't it hilarious, how you actually think a 2,000-year-old Palestinian preacher's teachings are what bind people together, and yet you somehow conveniently gloss over the fact that his teachings have been interpreted, reinterpreted, butchered and re-packaged wholesale, from front to back, to create the very divisions I mentioned earlier. Smh, so you want me to believe, that the countless Christians who slaughtered each other throughout history were just actors and actresses abi?
If you refuse to FOLLOW what Jesus taught in order to define Christians then you are an hypocrite because you will never ever agree with me that someone who knows nothing about science nor practice science is a scientist! smiley
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by TheDevilsBride(f): 7:43pm On Feb 02, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
If someone should ask an atheist to say something about scientists he will prove that scientists are people who invented so many things we are using today.
But the same atheist will argue claiming a Christian is anyone who claims being Christian even though such a person has no regard for what Jesus who is called CHRIST taught.

Really hilarious! smiley
The true hilarity, my dear Max, is how you keep running into minefields with your self-defeating logic. We define scientists by what they DO, for instance, conducting research, testing hypotheses, carrying out experiments and producing verifiable results. This is a far cry from your dodgy definition of a "true Christian", which is about as fluid as water in a colander. By the way, why don't you inform us more on how the Inquisitors were 'not real Christians' while they were literally torturing people in the name of Jesus?
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:46pm On Feb 02, 2025
TheDevilsBride:
The true hilarity, my dear Max, is how you keep running into minefields with your self-defeating logic. We define scientists by what they DO, for instance, conducting research, testing hypotheses, carrying out experiments and producing verifiable results. This is a far cry from your dodgy definition of a "true Christian", which is about as fluid as water in a colander. By the way, why don't you inform us more on how the Inquisitors were 'not real Christians' while they were literally torturing people in the name of Jesus?
I perfectly agree with the bolded but why do you now assume people who just claim CHRISTIANS are true Christians when they DISREGARD what Jesus taught? smiley
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by TheDevilsBride(f): 7:46pm On Feb 02, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
If you refuse to FOLLOW what Jesus taught in order to define Christians then you are an hypocrite because you will never ever agree with me that someone who knows nothing about science nor practice science is a scientist! smiley
Tsk, tsk. It seems your Jesus-shaped glasses are fogging up your ability to see the forest of hypocrisy for the trees of irrational, mindless dogma.
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