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Livelystone01:
Enjoy yourself.

The truth is I think the people who pretend MAGA isn't dangerous is as dangerous as MAGA.
We are seeing why now.
You fit that bill.

You have people fighting so that black people can have equal treatment in the US and you are saying they are the same as MAGA who is now using the term "DEI" as undercover for NIGGER.

raumdeuter:
Everyone has the picture, but you are the only one senseless enough to post it

How does it feel to be so reetarded

Well I wouldn't have it if Bemeurca didn't post it right?
So he was probably more senseless, no?

basilico:
They never thought Trump would win, in their arrogance they left paper trails all over.
They would never have achieved all that without media collusion. The same biased media you believe in.
Is there any monumental claim that I make here if proven right could make you change to republican.Any?
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T..A...K....E....E Y..O...U....R M..E...D....S

Ibime:
Ukraine bid to join the EU was to improve their miserly economy from where Russia left them ($3.5k GDP per capita) to where all their neighbours are, simple. What does Poland do better than Ukraine to be 5 times as rich per capita

EU has done it's work and has been found righteous and unimpeachable in its doings having uplifted all it's members economic situation. US should do the same for Mexico, Guatemala, Panama, Costa Rica, Honduras, El-Salvador etc and stop all this reh reh reh

$77 billion cash from Biden . Yet they couldn't get Trump funds for a border wall which would have seriously curtailed drugs, hunsn trafficking and illegal immigratio.

[quote author=IjeBos post=133980417]T..A...K....E....E Y..O...U....R M..E...D....S[/quote

Look at how everyone on your side turns against you in the end..

Livelystone01:
I do not care about what you think, you don't care about discussions, all you do is attack which is uncivil and childish.

I am not sure you care about diplomacy, you are very extreme with your ideas and that's your right and choice but trying to push with subtle shades when someone is of different views is worrisome.

You might want to ask yourself what value you bring to a discussion that I would care to discuss with you?
I gave you the opportunity to prove your point and you said, you were too tired to type.
But you don't seem too tired to write blather about "both sides".

I think even Obama has learned that "when they go low, we go high" only leads to a broken leg, or Trump.

I am forceful with my views not extreme.
Maybe the problem is you don't understand the definition of extreme.

I'm contemplating whether to get involved in this discussion or not...
So let me ask a few questions, and give a little commentary.

Livelystone01:
I am never one who see myself as superior, I have always stood up for what I believed in and that's my right. My views are my views. Even in the US, there are independents and they choose what side to ally with based on policies at every time, so why's my own different?

You cannot claim to be liberal but force others to pick sides with you.

In what sense is this happening, what force is being applied here?

From my observation here, you guys are hypocrites, you believe someone must stand for your views even when they are not right and that's fascism. You try to convince them that people from other parties and policies are blanket bad which is in itself same thing as what you condemn.

The other guys here do not force anyone to believe them or support what they support, that's why they seem to be better than you guys. I have spoken against their policies but they never responded with shades or attacks.

Not what fascism is, I'd recommend "Umberto Eco's 14 points" as a decent definition and collection of traits or a reference, of what makes a person or movement fascist. It is not a strict check list tho.

Having conviction in something in itself is not a bad trait. Unwillingness to adjust beliefs or change in light of compelling evidence is.
If I believe something is correct and good, the logical position is to try to convince others of the same, to make arguments for my position. Someone else can push back against it if they believe otherwise and make their case for it. That's literally debate.

You especially, do not engage in discussions on this thread, you always attack someone for a different view. I saw the subtle shades you threw in the other responses you gave to me but I ignored because they are childish, I did not also respond because I do not operate like a pig as I am not a pig.

You do not need to respond to my views, ignore them and scroll to the next.

I agree, that Ijebos was infact condescending in his reply to you, and could have made his point without doing that. So I'm not defending him there.

Like I said, there is no difference between what your group does and what the other guys do. If anything, you guys are worse off because you want everyone to walk your path even when they are wrong.

As I've stated earlier, it's perfectly fine to what others to walk your path, that's the only logical position if you're genuine in your beliefs. The same way you're indirectly making an argument for your position right now, which is to review policies and politicians on their metrit and stop blanketly calling the opposing side evil.

I think, you only think the left leaning posters on here are worse, because you find some of the behaviors and positions disagreeable (which is fair enough, you can disagree), not because "they're forcing you to walk their path" which I'd like to hear your elaboration on how that's happening?

The bill for federal abortion ban has been reintroduced into the house by republican lawmakers.

When I said it last year that the republicans were after EVERY woman’s right to abortions. Ndi team “you’re taking it too far “They’d never do that” kept quoting me saying it will never get to that.

“Republicans don’t want federal abortion bans. They only want states rights”. Whatever the hell that means for the women who live there. Well here we are. Just like I said.

Now that they have majority in the house and senate. If they pass this bill into law, stay prepared to bury your wives and daughters. We have already seen deaths in states like Texas where women died from sepsis waiting to get sick enough to deserve abortion.

The cheaper eggs will be worth it.

Henceforth, I will only respond to people who understand what a public forum is, not lunatics who are insecure about those not supporting their ideologies.


I will make my opinions on issues known and I am not going to support or attack every policy.


If I don't respond to you, understand that it is my right and that you have lost your human nature, I do not respond to pigs.

If I quote you, it means you have shown yourself to be mature enough for a proper discussion.

I am not sorry if you feel offended.

IMAliyu2:
I agree, that Ijebos was infact condescending in his reply to you, and could have made his point without doing that. So I'm not defending him there.

Is that the 1st 2nd 3rd or 6th poster that the foolish ijebos has addressed that way? Do you know any other poster who does that?

Livelystone01:
Henceforth, I will only respond to people who understand what a public forum is, not lunatics who are insecure about those not supporting their ideologies.

I will make my opinions on issues known and I am not going to support or attack every policy.

If I don't respond to you, understand that it is my right and that you have lost your human nature, I do not respond to pigs.

If I quote you, it means you have shown yourself to be mature enough for a proper discussion.

I am not sorry if you feel offended.

Make your posts, stand by it. In real life some of these people cannot stand up to you. Dont let the anonymity of the internet allow midgets to tell you what to do

I and many will likely disagree with you many times but surely the sensible ones will do it sensibly

raumdeuter:
Is that the 1st 2nd 3rd or 6th poster that the foolish ijebos has addressed that way? Do you know any other poster who does that?

I've seen you two go at it, ever since I was new to this thread, I've come to think it's somekind of tradition between you guys.
I don't usually know who starts what, so I don't get involved.

IMAliyu2:
I've seen you two go at it, ever since I was new to this thread, I've come to think it's somekind of tradition between you guys.
I don't usually know who starts what, so I don't get involved.

Who else have you seen me attack that way on this thread?

Who have you not seen Ijebos attack that way on this thread?

basilico:
Thing is, you are looking for evidence that Trump is a fascist as they said he was.
At least you are civil. I have explained my beef with the EU, not with the Europeans.
When it comes to Greenland , Russia and China also would like a piece of it
Trump wanting it is largely the untapped rare earth metals desired for electronics components and oil.
Theoretically missile defense system at Greenland will protect America if fired from Russia soil. Russia has submarines that would quickly fire from international waters Security argument is not the real reason.

Russia poses no threat to the United States, the Ukrainian war has demonstrated how wildly exaggerated their military capabilities are.

Greenland is already an allie, they already allow US military bases there. An agreement for mineral extraction rights can also be made, it's already part of NATO, neither China nor Russia will dare to take them.
Unless through diplomacy and trade agreements, if that were to happen then that's a massive skill issue on the part of the USA.

But Trump being unpredictable and insistence on Greenland joining the USA is the problem. I will not put it past him to attempt to invade, and it's concerning you may see nothing wrong with that.

United Airlines plane 'catches fire' at Houston airport

raumdeuter:
Who else have you seen me attack that way on this thread?

Who have you not seen Ijebos attack that way on this thread?

You write as if no one can see your past posts.
I think you repeat these lies so many times so you can believe them.

And I've read through this thread.
To argue that it is worse now is more of your intellectual dishonesty.
And what is common to how degenerate it used to be is you, Bemeruca and Basilico.

What is hilarious is this thread used to be filled with people posting pornography, talking about raping people and their mothers, yet I never saw you stand up once against that. Wonder where you found this new congeniality. Lol

Miss me with your intellectual dishonesty hypocrisy Captain Intellectual Dishonesty.

IMAliyu2:
I agree, that Ijebos was infact condescending in his reply to you, and could have made his point without doing that. So I'm not defending him there.

I agree I was condescending in the last reply before this post of his, but didn't think I was condescending in all of them.
The guy is literally trying to tell me what I believe and my believes make me as bad as MAGA Republicans.
I thought some condescension was warranted.

raumdeuter:
Who else have you seen me attack that way on this thread?

Who have you not seen Ijebo s attack that way on this thread?

Attacks that get super personal and detracts from the politics?

Non, I can't say I've seen you lose your cool towards anyone other that him on here.

I think most of the right leaning people on here have had similar insults going back and forward with him.

raumdeuter:
Make your posts, stand by it. In real life some of these people cannot stand up to you. Dont let the anonymity of the internet allow midgets to tell you what to do

I and many will likely disagree with you many times but surely the sensible ones will do it sensibly

Lol, the real life part is sure.

In reality, I don't even have energy to bother anyone. I don't like crowd, I hate that with passion.

People are deceitful, only want to use you because they know you are good and helpful so they come close for what they will get and not how to be true friends.

I'm only closer to people I have known since I was growing up or those with similar mindset and they are very few.


On issues, I appreciate your genuineness. Life isn't about who's right or wrong but how a proper discussion can lead to a reasonable conclusion. We can kill ourselves and nothing will change but we can also try to make things better by making a discussion to learn and then make better decisions.

I'm waiting for Trump to Bleep up so I can strike you guys to explain to me lol. I am also going to praise him for anything he does that seems better.

IMAliyu2:
Russia poses no threat to the United States, the Ukrainian war has demonstrated how wildly exaggerated their military capabilities are.

Greenland is already an allie, they already allow US military bases there. An agreement for mineral extraction rights can also be made, it's already part of NATO, neither China nor Russia will dare to take them.
Unless through diplomacy and trade agreements, if that were to happen then that's a massive skill issue on the part of the USA.

But Trump being unpredictable and insistence on Greenland joining the USA is the problem. I will not put it past him to attempt to invade, and it's concerning you may see nothing wrong with that.

If Trump ever makes that attempt to invade Greenland, he's a fool who will cost the US most of their allies.

We see how Russia is fairing in Ukraine, not good for them economically and otherwise.

He should focus more on using diplomacy instead of show of force, it won't end well at all for anyone.

IjeBos:
I agree I was condescending in the last reply before this post of his, but didn't think I was condescending in all of them.
The guy is literally trying to tell me what I believe and my believes make me as bad as MAGA Republicans.
I thought some condescension was warranted.

I know, his underlying argument is that the left believes a set of things and maga believe a set of things and they both want people to adopt their views, therefore that's bad and they're the same.

It sounds like enlightened centrist bs, and a felicious argument.

It's like being around during the civil rights debate, and saying both the pro and anti sides are the same.
No it's not, your unwillingness to engage and find out the objectives of both sides and make up your mind on which one aligns with your views is on you, and we can also say with history on our side, and with values shared by almost everyone today one side was the good one.

One of the things I find funny is that America knows how to twist words.

We have REBELS when they support a militia trying to change a regime in another country but they become TERRORISTS when they go against their interests.


We have LOBBYISTS in America who can bribe their lawmakers to help contractors, especially defense and other ones but in another country they shout CORRUPTION.

Zelensky said he never received $177b but only $70+ in weapons. So my question is, isn't it corruption to over bloat something like that and yet Congress passes it for Ukraine?

The media has been the BRAINWASHING machinery of the US and British government for decades, one day we will know how far they can go when people are ready to question their news.

Livelystone01:
If Trump ever makes that attempt to invade Greenland, he's a fool who will cost the US most of their allies.

We see how Russia is fairing in Ukraine, not good for them economically and otherwise.

He should focus more on using diplomacy instead of show of force, it won't end well at all for anyone.

Ok that's good.

I am concerned that someone like baslico does not think this, or see a problem there.

What sets of values would someone have that this is not immediately clear to them? I'm trying to establish if we even exist in the same reality, or it's reflexive for him that he'll defend trump's actions even in a bad hypothetical.

IMAliyu2:
I know, his underlying argument is that the left believes a set of things and maga believe a set of things and they both want people to adopt their views, therefore that's bad and they're the same.

It sounds like enlightened centrist bs, and a felicious argument.

It's like being around during the civil rights debate, and saying both the pro and anti sides are the same.
No it's not, your unwillingness to engage and find out the objectives of both sides and make up your mind on which one aligns with your views is on you, and we can also say with history on our side, and with values shared by almost everyone today one side was the good one.

I have called Trump out on EOs I find disturbing, haven't I?

Why must I pick a side when I can tackle issues individually instead of throwing myself to one end?

I have also in times past spoken against the abortion issue and other issues.

Like you said you are new here but have picked your axe to grind about one issue?

It is truly well.

IMAliyu2:
Ok that's good.

I am concerned that someone like baslico does not think this, or see a problem there.

What sets of values would someone have that this is not immediately clear to them? I'm trying to establish if we even exist in the same reality, or it's reflexive for him that he'll defend trump's actions even in a bad hypothetical.

This is what I have been against that has led to me receiving backlashes.

You can support a party and call out their nonsense instead of supporting everything they do or every policy they put out. That goes for both sides.

You have said that's not enough in your other response to someone that it is a centrist bs. It is your right and choice to see things the way you do but if we holistically look at how the both sides push through all of their agendas here, it is worrisome.

I don't think I have seen anyone claim Biden had a policy that should have not been pushed out in the first place from the Dems camp here, likewise the GOP guys on Trump.

It sets a dangerous precedence because it looks fanatic to me.

Livelystone01:
This is what I have been against that has led to me receiving backlashes.

You can support a party and call out their nonsense instead of supporting everything they do or every policy they put out. That goes for both sides.

You have said that's not enough in your other response to someone that it is a centrist bs. It is your right and choice to see things the way you do but if we holistically look at how the both sides push through all of their agendas here, it is worrisome.

I don't think I have seen anyone claim Biden had a policy that should have not been pushed out in the first place from the Dems camp here, likewise the GOP guys on Trump.

It sets a dangerous precedence because it looks fanatic to me.

there are lots of things you guys don't understand.
like just now ibime was talking about tariffs and trade wars like the EU has not been tariffing the hell out of the US for ages. The US wants to be the nice guy everyone will take advantage of. Just because you are hearing a tariff from Trump does not mean it is new. As is said, there has been a 10% tariff on American cars by the EU making their cars not do well while the US only has a 2% tariff on EU cars.

the war in their backyard, they want the US to pay for it. They cannot meet up with their defense mandate. they expect the US to protect them. Look at Canada for example, they barely have an army. if anything happens the US will protect them. that is the mentality they have.

IMAliyu2:
It sounds like enlightened centrist bs, and a felicious argument.

It's like being around during the civil rights debate, and saying both the pro and anti sides are the same.
No it's not, your unwillingness to engage and find out the objectives of both sides and make up your mind on which one aligns with your views is on you, and we can also say with history on our side, and with values shared by almost everyone today one side was the good one.

This ‼️‼️

To the best of my knowledg, Democrat supporters haven’t gone to white house to hang the vice president.

Nor are Americans in the streets currently protesting what they feel are draconian Democrat policies being actively implemented.

The disingenuous both siding of clear issues is sickening.
I can actually “respect” those who are owning their isms with their chest.

bemeruca:
there are lots of things you guys don't understand.
like just now ibime was talking about tariffs and trade wars like the EU has not been tariffing the hell out of the US for ages. The US wants to be the nice guy everyone will take advantage of. Just because you are hearing a tariff from Trump does not mean it is new. As is said, there has been a 10% tariff on American cars by the EU making their cars not do well while the US only has a 2% tariff on EU cars.

the war in their backyard, they want the US to pay for it. They cannot meet up with their defense mandate. they expect the US to protect them. Look at Canada for example, they barely have an army. if anything happens the US will protect them. that is the mentality they have.

Ok, I like to ask you a question.

If you were made the president of the US today and told to address just the economy, would you choose to tariff everyone at once?

Assuming you are the president in that scenario please.

When you claim you are civil and knowledgeable but only agree when an argument goes to your direction, it shows you are worse than the people you condemn.

I have seen that a lot here and I can tell that the only difference between who they condemn and then is that they do not have the platform yet.

I can choose to pick up policies to support from any of the divide, I do not need to belong to your cults.

Livelystone01:
This is what I have been against that has led to me receiving backlashes.

You can support a party and call out their nonsense instead of supporting everything they do or every policy they put out. That goes for both sides.

You have said that's not enough in your other response to someone that it is a centrist bs. It is your right and choice to see things the way you do but if we holistically look at how the both sides push through all of their agendas here, it is worrisome.

I don't think I have seen anyone claim Biden had a policy that should have not been pushed out in the first place from the Dems camp here, likewise the GOP guys on Trump.

It sets a dangerous precedence because it looks fanatic to me.

Critiques of Biden from leftists and some liberals were.
Not being able to deliver on his student loan forgiveness, promise.
His uncritical support and funding of Isreal, as they continued to massacre gazans.
The TikTok ban.
Disbanding the rail worker strike.
His stubbornness being a factor in the lose of the 2024 election.
Outside of these and maybe a few more, Biden's presidency was ordinary and hardly disagreeable.

Kamal lost the election, because she couldn't distance and distinguish herself from from Biden, and lost a lot of leftist and independent votes over it.

Were there any Biden policies you yourself disagreed with? Did you critiqued them, and see if we argeed or not, and why?

You see me asking baslico if he'll condemn the invasion of another country and being unable to give a concise answer, because Trump is a mythological figure he's unable to disagree with, even in a hypothetical.
But somehow it's a bothsides issue, Do you see why I call it centrist bs?

IMAliyu2:
Critiques of Biden from leftists and some liberals were.
Not being able to deliver on his student loan forgiveness, promise.
His uncritical support and funding of Isreal, as they continued to massacred gazans.
The TikTok ban.
Disbanding the rail worker strike.
His stubbornness being a factor in the lose of the 2024 election.
Outside of these and maybe a few more, Biden's presidency was ordinary and hardly disagreeable.

Kamal lost the election, because she couldn't distance and distinguish herself from from Biden, and lost a lot of leftist and independent votes over it.

Were there any Biden policies you yourself disagreed with? Did you critiqued them, and see if we argeed or not, and why?

You see me asking baslico if he'll condemn the invasion of another country and being unable to give a concise answer, because Trump is a mythological figure he's unable to disagree with, even in a hypothetical.
But somehow it's a bothsides issue, Do you see why I call it centrist bs?

Why should I focus on bas and others views?

I am talking about myself here.

No worries, you do you.

If I may ask, if Biden's policies were ordinary and accepted why will it affect Harris campaign?

Do you know that neutrals play a huge role in the election of a president? Why will neutrals chose Trump over Harris, even with media hype and others if they ran a good regime?

Obama did two terms remember?

Elon musk continues his broad daylight coup of the united states govt.

Demanding access to SCIF.

Continues to push out any federal official who’s doing their job by not allowing him access to sensitive protected information.

If you don’t know what scif is, pls sit out the conversation 😑.

Elon Musk’s takeover of federal government infrastructure is ongoing, and at the center of things is a coterie of engineers who are barely out of—and in at least one case, purportedly still in—college. Most have connections to Musk, and at least two have connections to Musk’s longtime associate Peter Thiel, a cofounder and chair of the analytics firm and government contractor Palantir who has long expressed opposition to democracy.

WIRED has identified six young men—all apparently between the ages of 19 and 24, according to public databases, their online presences, and other records—who have little to no government experience and are now playing critical roles in Musk’s so-called Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) project, tasked by executive order with “modernizing Federal technology and software to maximize governmental efficiency and productivity.” The engineers all hold nebulous job titles within DOGE, and at least one appears to be working as a volunteer.