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Truthseeker10:
You are funny....how did sin enter the world?

Through the first man and went out through the last man.

ichuka:
Through the first man and went out through the last man.

So are we blaming Adam or God for the sin and suffering and death in the world?

Truthseeker10:
So are we blaming Adam or God for the sin and suffering and death in the world?

Dude,rest

ichuka:
Dude,rest

🤣🤣🤣you wouldn't answer because all your biblical explanations makes no sense.

ichuka:
Bro, let's not be more spiritual than the author of the bible.
Oga,God learnt obedience simple.
The creation He started in genesis was completed or perfected on His Cross of Calvary.
In the concept of salvation there's redemption and the creation of obedience.
Please let not be more holy than Holiness Himself.

I agree he learnt obedience.
I'm in no way disputing that. Reading the original Greek, the learning is not the classroom style learning of acquiring knowledge that one is lacking.
If you think my explaining is being more spiritual than the author, you shouldn't be engaging in religious talks because it is a serious matter.

Truthseeker10:
How could Adam had sinned by going against the law according to your submission up there?

The law was to no eat from a particular tree

Sirmwill:
The law was to no eat from a particular tree

So if Adam chose not to eat it with his freedom, would he sin against the law?

Truthseeker10:
So if Adam chose not to eat it with his freedom, would he sin against the law?

No

Sirmwill:
No

So why will christ still need to come?

Truthseeker10:
So why will christ still need to come?

Adam was created and his(our) perfection is in Christ. God must have seen that perfection(He has seen the beginning and the end)and he declared His creation "perfect"

Sirmwill:
Adam was created and his(our) perfection is in Christ. God must have seen that perfection(He has seen the beginning and the end)and he declared His creation "perfect"

Are you saying that before God created Adam and gave him a law, God saw that Adam will sin on a particular day and time?

Truthseeker10:
Are you saying that before God created Adam and gave him a law, God saw that Adam will sin on a particular day and time?

Well

I am not God


But we know he knows everything from beginning to the end.

He knows the weakness of the man he created and also knew that the perfection of man would come so he saw a perfect man already.

Sirmwill:
Well

I am not God


But we know he knows everything from beginning to the end.

He knows the weakness of the man he created and also knew that the perfection of man would come so he saw a perfect man already.

You are funny....you don't need to be God to show that this your logic makes no sense. If God already know the day and time that Adam will sin before creating Adam, then God is the one to be blamed for all the sin and suffering in the world today. It also means that Adam had no freedom not to sin.

ichuka:
Guy,I no understand u oo

You do, you just do not want to accept the plane Truth you have seen since it does not suit what you wish it to be

Captain4Jehovah:
His creation is perfect until sin and its originator entered the world. Sin and its originator are evil and wicked, bad like a rotten fruit which can't be eaten. These evil, wickedness which is anti to God's holiness increased until God spoke His mind in Genesis 6:6. Man was created rational, intelligent and a NATURAL SOCIAL AGENT. He was given FREE WILL JUST LIKE LUCIFER WAS. But Satan mis-used the grace(the disobedience came from his self will unlike man who was presumptuous_an evil agent was present to cause his fall_ just like we do these days). At that time, evil had multiplied. The devils took man's mind as their residence. Spiritual insanity came into play physically.
The same thing applies to a natural man at birth_he is perfect at birth as far as God's righteousness is concerned until the tendency to committing sin manifests.

Exactly what I said to Ichuka

Truthseeker10:
You just jumped into a discussion that you do not know the beginning of. Go back and trace our discussion. How could Adam choose to obey God and not sin and still go against the law according to Sirmwill? Answer it since you like jumping into discussions that you know nothing about.

Samuel clearly said that Adam could choose to {not sin} with his freedom, however he sinned by woman's persuasion
by going against that law.

So, this is clear. And there is nothing here to make you ask this crazy question.

Dtruthspeaker:
Samuel clearly said that Adam could choose to {not sin} with his freedom, however he sinned by woman's persuasion
by going against that law.

So, this is clear. And there is nothing here to make you ask this crazy question.

Show me where Sirmwill mentioned the bold above.

Truthseeker10:
You are funny....you don't need to be God to show that this your logic makes no sense. If God already know the day and time that Adam will sin before creating Adam, then God is the one to be blamed for all the sin and suffering in the world today. It also means that Adam had no freedom not to sin.

Yes
My Logic cannot make sense

Can we actually understand God fully?

Sirmwill:
Yes
My Logic cannot make sense

Can we actually understand God fully?

Why didn't you tell me that you don't understand God fully instead of saying things that makes no sense.

Truthseeker10:
Why didn't you tell me that you don't understand God fully instead of saying things that makes no sense.

Well
It was a question...

Also, it cannot make sense to you at all. Even if you try.
You need to have the Truth in you first.
Understanding anything about God cannot be done by Flesh or Blood.
You can only spend years trying to find Human Logic in the things of God and still never making sense of any of it

I was not there during creation

I can only say all these things based on the knowledge of Christ and the things he said

Sirmwill:
Well
It was a question...

Also, it cannot make sense to you at all. Even if you try.
You need to have the Truth in you first.
Understanding anything about God cannot be done by Flesh or Blood.
You can only spend years trying to find Human Logic in the things of God.

You are funny....do you agree that the sin in the world and suffering and death are all God's plan according to your explanation? Yes or no? Let's see if you know the things of God.

Truthseeker10:
You are funny....do you agree that the sin in the world and suffering and death are all God's plan according to your explanation? Yes or no? Let's see if you know the things of God.

No
He did not create man to die or suffer.
Sin came and caused suffering and death.

Then God sent Jesus to bear the sins of the whole world and to also take back power from Death.

Before Jesus came, the wages of Sin was death but now the gift of God is eternal life.
Now we no longer suffer or die because of sins again.

Sirmwill:
No
He did not create man to die or suffer.
Sin came and caused suffering and death.

Then God sent Jesus to bear the sins of the whole world and to also take back power from Death.

Before Jesus came, the wages of Sin was death but now the gift of God is eternal life.
Now we no longer suffer or die because of sins again.

So God did not see that sin will come to cause suffering and death before creating Adam?
Did God not see that Adam will sin against him on a particular day and time before creating him?

Truthseeker10:
So God did not see that sin will come to cause suffering and death before creating Adam?
Did God not see that Adam will sin against him on a particular day and time before creating him?

That is the reason Jesus came to give man freedom from Sin and Death.

Sirmwill:
That is the reason Jesus came to give man freedom from Sin and Death.

🤣🤣🤣this guy.......So God actually saw that Adam disobey him on a particular day and time before creating Adam. So who do you blame for sin in the world now? Adam or God?

Truthseeker10:
Show me where Sirmwill mentioned the bold above.

Is it not clearly shown that the woman is the one who made the man eat the fruit? So that part is clearly my own in the narrative, after all I did not quote Sirmwell verbatim.

Dtruthspeaker:
Is it not clearly shown that the woman is the one who made the man eat the fruit? So that part is clearly my own in the narrative, after all I did not quote Sirmwell verbatim.

🤣🤣🤣na wa for this man oo....so you just put your mouth in a discussion that did not even concern you. Can you see how you look now?

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣this guy.......So God actually saw that Adam disobey him on a particular day and time before creating Adam. So who do you blame for sin in the world now? Adam or God?

Like I said, the longer you talk the more you get stupid.

With all the Ak 47s Kalashnikov created not once have you blamed him for kidnappers and herdsmen murderers or for world war 2 even when he knew that people would use his guns to murder others.

And this clearly proves Why you atheists are very stupid as the bible said.

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣na wa for this man oo....so you just put your mouth in a discussion that did not even concern you. Can you see how you look now?

See, yourself. You no get anything wey you won talk before day na why you be won try make issue with my addition but as I don answer you, you no get wetin you won say again.

Dtruthspeaker:
See, yourself. You no get anything wey you won talk before day na why you be won try make issue with my addition but as I don answer you, you no get wetin you won say again.

Go sleep Mr man

Truthseeker10:
Go sleep Mr man

I don go sleep.