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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 5:58pm On Feb 05, 2025
raumdeuter:
Which tax paying citizen will be upset when you expose potential corruption in govt?

So what Dem want to campaign about is how upset they are that Trump or Musk is exposing potential corruption and mismanagement of public funds?

Check this link showing govt payment to Politico a new outlet and see example like one which shows a subscription for 37 users for 500k.

These things have been going on under both parties for decades until Trump an Elon came

https://www.usaspending.gov/search/?hash=ce007c986b96d38c983ae10dc0614b6a
politico is having payroll problems smiley smiley
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by happney65: 5:59pm On Feb 05, 2025
BREAKING: A second federal judge blocks President Trump's executive order seeking to end birthright citizenship, saying it's likely unconstitutional
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 6:01pm On Feb 05, 2025
happney65:
BREAKING: A second federal judge blocks President Trump's executive order seeking to end birthright citizenship, saying it's likely unconstitutional
Na supreme court get say. all these judges are irrelevant.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ObaIgwe1: 6:35pm On Feb 05, 2025
raumdeuter:
That is Trumps strategy and people keep falling for it. He starts with an extreme position, people react extremely, they come to the table and finally get a mid point

1. Trump says he will take Gaza
2. Saudi and other Arab nation reject
3. Trump invite them to talk If you don't want me to take Gaza, then all of you commit to controlling Gaza and getting rid of extremist turn into a prosperous nation like UAE, Qatar and Saudi
4. At end of the day Saudi Qatar UAE commit to controlling Gaza
5. Trump takes credit for bringing peace to the region
Oseee... cheesy

Trump should give you the position of Senior Special Spinmaster grin

Even before it happened, you have already started spinning it like Ogbomosho amala cheesy

Now let's even assume, this is Trump's plan:

You actually support a strategy that use bullying and threats to compel others to do your wish?

You honestly don't want US to be seen as a bullying nation, that will boomerang in a big way against US.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ObaIgwe1: 6:42pm On Feb 05, 2025
IjeBos:
Worse than that, Trump single handedly has cost the US the moral authority it has spent decades vocalizing/propagandizing.

Trump and the US's claim to authority now seems to be Might is right. Tearing up negotiated Trade deals, threatening countries over land, etc.etc.
It's the same authority Russia used to invade Ukraine, Israel uses in the Middle East and China will undoubtedly use in Taiwan.
Goodbye Rule Based International Order.
The world is going to get a lot more irrational and more dangerous for US citizens.

This is the reason US Presidents study voraciously, don't run their mouths in public and read off of prepared remarks with decisions that scores of people have been briefed on previously.
I am surprise many are not seeing all these implications of Trump's actions. Some are even hailing him (smh).

If Trump messed up America's image, it will take a long while for the coming Presidents to rebuild it.

And we are just in his 1st month in office... sad
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by happney65: 6:44pm On Feb 05, 2025
bemeruca:
Na supreme court get say. all these judges are irrelevant.
So you are saying you support the supreme court to go against the Law of the United states written in White and Black right?

Anyways you are not different from your master who you worship.Birds of the same feather. grin
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 6:44pm On Feb 05, 2025
ObaIgwe1:
Oseee... cheesy
Trump should give you the position of Senior Special Spinmaster grin
Even before it happened, you have already started spinning it like Ogbomosho amala cheesy
Now let's even assume, this is Trump's plan:
You actually support a strategy that use bullying and threats to compel others to do your wish?
You honestly don't want US to be seen as a bully nation, that will boomerang in a big way against US.
Is that what you call Bully? What has the non bully and threat tactics done for the middle east in the last 50yrs if not more bloodshed, orphans, widows etc. If that can work and they bring peace to the region who cares if it was done by bullying or licking the floor

Regular people care about the results and peace in their life. Not waking up to sounds and missile explosions
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 6:47pm On Feb 05, 2025
ObaIgwe1:
I am surprise many are not seeing all these implications of Trump's actions. Some are even hailing him (smh).
If Trump messed up America's image, it will take a long while for the coming Presidents to rebuild it.
And we are just in his 1st month in office... sad
What is this image we talk about? US policies has to be one that furthers American interest. Before Trump we have people burning US flags abroad and some even started within the US chanting Death to America. while maintaining the image

Is it in Americas interest for it to be taken advantage of while still taking from US tax payers to fund programs in these countries?

Someone asked, How many of these countries are taking from their own tax payers to fund anything in US?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 6:53pm On Feb 05, 2025
happney65:
So you are saying you support the supreme court to go against the Law of the United states written in White and Black right?

Anyways you are not different from your master who you worship.Birds of the same feather. grin
I am saying the Supreme Court just like they overturned the criminal act of banning Trump from the ballot, can interpret the Constitution and their decision is what decides not this noise makers
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 6:59pm On Feb 05, 2025
ObaIgwe1:
I am surprise many are not seeing all these implications of Trump's actions. Some are even hailing him (smh).

If Trump messed up America's image, it will take a long while for the coming Presidents to rebuild it.

And we are just in his 1st month in office... sad
The distrust he's building is going to take a long time to repair.
And in this new multipolar world, we may not ever repair it.

People fall back on jingoisms and don't think through the policy implications.
People are aghast that the US is giving out HIV treatments to developing countries through things like USAID but don't think about the multiplier effect of that money in perceptions of the US in those places and thus on US policy, regional or business interests.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 7:06pm On Feb 05, 2025
raumdeuter:
How will you see an American suffering, you are telling him you want to increase his taxes and he sees that they are spending part of his money for DEI initiatives in Serbia, transgender in Colombia, EV in Vietnam.
And million dollar bombs dropped on Saddam and Afghanistan and Vietnam.

Angry, I guess, if I'm suffering. And more so after I've been sent to Afghanistan and return and have no home or healthcare.

Just thought to add.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 7:13pm On Feb 05, 2025
basilico:
No it pays my employer A proposal we had made in private hasn't gone through.
USAID is part of my employer's donors, not the largest though but significant . The west in reality plays a good role in charitable causes.
I have often said America is esp a force of good ,I would never want China to replace the west.I have serious beef with China.
When you see me writing so much about America and Europe ,it's because I don't want liberals destroying their nations under globalism .UK especially God bless FCDO.
Tell Raum that buying condoms for Palestinians and gender reassignment in Colombia or wherever is a force for good from America, and very likely lies.

Unless you think its only good when you are the one benefitting.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 7:18pm On Feb 05, 2025
No one would believe this turkey, who gets paid by USAID to install solar to reduce the fossil effects on the environment, is against a green agenda until one realises what stupidity is.

basilico:
In a series of orders Monday evening, Interior Secretary Doug Burgum revoked Biden-era actions that blocked drilling across 625 million acres of federal waters nationwide—an area that is equivalent in size to a third of the continental United States—in the 19-million-acre Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska and in the state’s 23-million-acre National Petroleum Reserve


Biden blocked oil exploration because climate change.
Why I approve this.
Oil prices will go down when America reduces it's import and unconventional fracking achieves near production costs as the Saudis.
The Biden admin and the globalist want oil prices prohibitively high, so they can push their green agenda. That encompasses more govt control on what we do eg How much we can travel, eating meats, living in urban 15 minutes, Basically it's a new form of micromanaging us.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ono(m): 7:21pm On Feb 05, 2025
Just read on Fox that the FBI has given details of 5000 employees who were involved in Jan 6 to the DOJ. The agents have sued the FBI for this revelation.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by happney65: 7:24pm On Feb 05, 2025
grin

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 7:25pm On Feb 05, 2025
IjeBos:
The distrust he's building is going to take a long time to repair.
And in this new multipolar world, we may not ever repair it.

People fall back on jingoisms and don't think through the policy implications.
People are aghast that the US is giving out HIV treatments to developing countries through things like USAID but don't think about the multiplier effect of that money in perceptions of the US in those places and thus on US policy, regional or business interests.
Before he won and started to further his nonsense behaviors from his first term, I said a Trump win will take America a generation to recover from. And they called me a fear monger.

Look at Germany today. With every step they’re taking to address their past (including paying reparations), they still haven’t recovered from it. It’s a stain on their name and it’s been at least two-three generations since it happened.

I really can’t stand people who don’t have any pattern recognition abilities.

He’s currently shipping “dangerous criminals” without trial to Guantanamo bay. People are okay with it because it’s only criminals. So we’re talking a liar at his words?

Okay.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ObaIgwe1: 7:39pm On Feb 05, 2025
raumdeuter:
Is that what you call Bully? What has the non bully and threat tactics done for the middle east in the last 50yrs if not more bloodshed, orphans, widows etc. If that can work and they bring peace to the region who cares if it was done by bullying or licking the floor

Regular people care about the results and peace in their life. Not waking up to sounds and missile explosions
1. Trump says he will take Gaza
2. Saudi and other Arab nation reject
3. Trump invite them to talk If you don't want me to take Gaza, then all of you commit to controlling Gaza and getting rid of extremist turn into a prosperous nation like UAE, Qatar and Saudi
If the above is not a threat /bullying, then please what is it?

Who or What gave the US the power to unilateral decide this? The fact that Trump and Elon is taking the laws into their hands and doing whatever they like within US should not give them the liberty to think they can do it anywhere else outside US.

Each country/Nation is Sovereign, It is wrong for US to look down on other Nations and dictate what they should do because it has military might. Nations reach agreement through DIPLOMACY not by threat, that is disrespectful to other nations' sovereignty.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 7:45pm On Feb 05, 2025
ObaIgwe1:
If the above is not a threat /bullying, then please what is it?

Who or What gave the US the power to unilateral decide this? The fact that Trump and Elon is taking the laws into their hands and doing whatever they like within US should not give them the liberty to think they can do it anywhere else outside US.

Each country/Nation is Sovereign, It is wrong for US to look down on other Nations and dictate what they should do because it has military might. Nations reach agreement through DIPLOMACY not by threat, that is disrespectful to other nations' sovereignty.
What do you think Gazans care more abut threats, bully or peace? The "no threats" that they have been dealing with for 50yrs what has it gotten them?

Someone who has been hiding inside rubble dealing with missiles daily cares about what is threats or bully?

Its like some people just like being told lies that massage their egos, Biden, Blinken will tell them we are not threatening, we are not bullying, we are chasing Diplomacy and before leaving that podium, 10 missiles have hit Gaza

The diplomacy of the past 50yrs what has it gotten them, In your view at least they were not Disrespected, Just killed respectfully and Diplomatically
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 7:46pm On Feb 05, 2025
ObaIgwe1:
If the above is not a threat /bullying, then please what is it?

Who or What gave the US the power to unilateral decide this? The fact that Trump and Elon is taking the laws into their hands and doing whatever they like within US should not give them the liberty to think they can do it anywhere else outside US.

Each country/Nation is Sovereign, It is wrong for US to look down on other Nations and dictate what they should do because it has military might. Nations reach agreement through DIPLOMACY not by threat, that is disrespectful to other nations' sovereignty.
You don't understand trump. He will take Gaza for what? Because he says something does not mean he wants to do that.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 7:46pm On Feb 05, 2025
Thanks to DOGE. In sep 2022 Lindsay Graham introduced a bill to ban abortions at 15 weeks federally Led to a massive turnout by democrats. They still lost the house though. The timing of the bill was a coincidence?
Lindsay also supports military aid to Zelensky , he has visited Kiev too.

A data cruncher has discovered the International Republican Institute (IRI) ,an NGO received $130 million from USAID.

https://x.com/DataRepublican/status/1886785021236928861

Lindsay Graham is a board member.
It also has other big names on its board, including Sen Joni Ernst, Sen Tom Cotton, Sen Dan Sullivan and McMaster.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 7:49pm On Feb 05, 2025
cococandy:
Before he won and started to further his nonsense behaviors from his first term, I said a Trump win will take America a generation to recover from. And they called me a fear monger.

Look at Germany today. With every step they’re taking to address their past (including paying reparations), they still haven’t recovered from it. It’s a stain on their name and it’s been at least two-three generations since it happened.

I really can’t stand people who don’t have any pattern recognition abilities.

He’s currently shipping “dangerous criminals” without trial to Guantanamo bay. People are okay with it because it’s only criminals. So we’re talking a liar at his words?

Okay.
I don't think its bad yet. Republicans win the next presidency after a minor dent in the midterms and install a puppet controlled by the dumps. Then we'd see how bad USA's image gets tarnished for ever.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 7:50pm On Feb 05, 2025
basilico:
Thanks to DOGE. In sep 2022 Lindsay Graham introduced to ban abortions at 15 weeks federally leading to a massive turnout by democrats. They still lost the house though. The timing of the bill was a coincidence?
Lindsay also supports military aid to Zelensky..

A data cruncher has discovered the International Republican Institute (IRI) ,an NGO received $130 million from USAID.

https://x.com/DataRepublican/status/1886785021236928861

Lindsay Graham is a board member.
It also has other big names on its board, including Sen Joni Ernst, Sen Tom Cotton, Sen Dan Sullivan and McMaster.
This is why I was telling IMAliyu2 that both Republican and Democrat politicians have been running these racket for Decades, So you the Dems now want to be the party to defend this corruption and mismanagement of tax payers money? Good luck to them explaining to voters that you are against exposing these spending

I am sure even Lindsey Graham will rather keep quiet at this point and let the Dem catch the knife for him
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ObaIgwe1: 7:52pm On Feb 05, 2025
raumdeuter:
What is this image we talk about? US policies has to be one that furthers American interest. Before Trump we have people burning US flags abroad and some even started within the US chanting Death to America. while maintaining the image

Is it in Americas interest for it to be taken advantage of while still taking from US tax payers to fund programs in these countries?

Someone asked, How many of these countries are taking from their own tax payers to fund anything in US?
All that US has to do is keep her interests and dollars to herself, secure her boarder and do whatever she likes within her boarder. No one is blaming or fighting US for withdrawing her aids to other nations. What is not acceptable is going to other nation and claiming it because it has military might to do so or threaten them because of the amount of aid given to them. If that is right, then Russia would have been justified taking over Ukraine, China can now take over Taiwan, then Europe can share Africa among themselves again.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 7:56pm On Feb 05, 2025
budaatum:
I don't think its bad yet. Republicans win the next presidency after a minor dent in the midterms and install a puppet controlled by the dumps. Then we'd see how bad USA's image gets tarnished for ever.
🥲🥲
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ObaIgwe1: 7:58pm On Feb 05, 2025
raumdeuter:
What do you think Gazans care more abut threats, bully or peace? The "no threats" that they have been dealing with for 50yrs what has it gotten them?

Someone who has been hiding inside rubble dealing with missiles daily cares about what is threats or bully?

Its like some people just like being told lies that massage their egos, Biden, Blinken will tell them we are not threatening, we are not bullying, we are chasing Diplomacy and before leaving that podium, 10 missiles have hit Gaza

The diplomacy of the past 50yrs what has it gotten them, In your view at least they were not Disrespected, Just killed respectfully and Diplomatically
And you have visited Gaza and asked Gazans what they want and they told you what they want now is to be moved to Jordan and Egypt and their land taken over by US? And if the aim is get other Arab nations to enforce peace, it will be by threat?

No sir, decency and Diplomacy is Trump calling all the stakeholders to a meeting and reach an agreement on way forward before making a statement.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 7:58pm On Feb 05, 2025
ObaIgwe1:
All that US has to do is keep her interests and dollars to herself, secure her boarder and do whatever she likes within her boarder. No one is blaming or fighting US for withdrawing her aids to other nations. What is not acceptable is going to other nation and claiming it because it has military might to do so or threaten them because of the amount of aid given to them. If that is right, then Russia would have been justified taking over Ukraine, China can now take over Taiwan, then Europe can share Africa among themselves again.
That is what Trump is doing exactly, If you want American dollars you will give us something in return that furthers our interest. US has not invaded anyone yet under Trump. Its asking for returns on its investment abroad

What is not acceptable to who? Let the recipient nation tell Trump that he should keep his money and his interest
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 7:58pm On Feb 05, 2025
Moony45:
A second federal judge has issued an order blocking Donald Trump's administration from implementing his plan to curtail U.S. birthright citizenship, saying no court in the United States has ever endorsed the Republican president's interpretation of the Constitution.

During a hearing on Wednesday in Greenbelt, Maryland, U.S. District Judge Deborah Boardman sided with two immigrant rights groups and five pregnant women who argued that their children were at risk of being denied U.S. citizenship based on the immigration status of their parents in violation of the Constitution.

Boardman, an appointee of Trump's Democratic predecessor Joe Biden, issued a nationwide preliminary injunction blocking Trump's order from going into effect as planned on Feb. 19 while the matter is litigated.

"Today, virtually every baby born on U.S. soil is a U.S. citizen upon birth," Boardman said. "That is the law and tradition of our country. That law and tradition are and will remain the status quo pending the resolution of this case."
https://www.nairaland.com/8335630/judge-issue-more-permanent-block
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 8:03pm On Feb 05, 2025
raumdeuter:
This is why I was telling IMAliyu2 that both Republican and Democrat politicians have been running these racket for Decades, So you the Dems now want to be the party to defend this corruption and mismanagement of tax payers money? Good luck to them explaining to voters that you are against exposing these spending

I am sure even Lindsey Graham will rather keep quiet at this point and let the Dem catch the knife for him
A democrat house member Al Green
has filed articles of impeachment.
At the rate Trump is eating their goats they can muster enough votes to impeach and convict him.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 8:03pm On Feb 05, 2025
ObaIgwe1:
And you have visited Gaza and asked Gazans what they want and they told you what they want now is to be moved to Jordan and Egypt and their land taken over by US? And if the aim is get other Arab nations to enforce peace, it will be by threat?

No sir, decency and Diplomacy is Trump calling all the stakeholders to a meeting and reach an agreement on way forward before making a statement.
It will be by any means as long as the end goal is Peace. Diplomacy, decency and everything you stated have been tried for the past 50yrs. Under Trumps last regime 4 Arab nations for the first time recognized the state of Israel. This is what decades of Dem and Republican govt decency and diplomacy have been unable to do

How many stakeholders meetings have been held about the middle east in the past 50yrs? What happened Oslo accords, Camp David, Hebron protocol, Roadmap for Peace etc. All these before you and I were born. Yet as at few weeks ago they were still sending missiles to each other, burying men, women and children
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 8:04pm On Feb 05, 2025
bemeruca:
You don't understand trump. He will take Gaza for what? Because he says something does not mean he wants to do that .
Supporting a president who says whatever comes into his porous brain regardless of the disastrous fallout of such utterances. Would you even respect someone who does that as a father much less a president?
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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 8:05pm On Feb 05, 2025
basilico:
A democrat house member Al Green
has filed articles of impeachment.
At the rate Trump is eating their goats they can muster enough votes to impeach and convict him.
Those are just activity forming to show his base he is doing something. Barring bad health, Trump will complete his 4yrs
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ObaIgwe1: 8:09pm On Feb 05, 2025
raumdeuter:
That is what Trump is doing exactly, If you want American dollars you will give us something in return that furthers our interest. US has not invaded anyone yet under Trump. Its asking for returns on its investment abroad

What is not acceptable to who? Let the recipient nation tell Trump that he should keep his money and his interest
Fair enough, let those lazy and corrupt leaders bring their begging bowl to Trump 1st, then he can give them whatever condition he likes.

No Nation is forcing Trump to give aid by fire by force. So let him minimize his talk and bullying till a begging nation comes to the white house for aid.
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