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Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Truthseeker10: 7:59pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
Let's leave your case.

If you don't understand the illustration, then, it's okay.
There is nothing to understand there. You are making no sense.
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Truthseeker10: 8:01pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
So, you're a place?

Na wa for you o.
So your heart and intestine is not inside a location in your body?
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 8:05pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
It's simple my friend.

God is Spirit. You cannot see Him. His manifestation in bodily form which is Jesus Christ is God spiritually and man physically. That's why Jesus said:

"He Who has seen Me has seen The Father." - John 14:18.

By saying Jesus is God, we do not refer to the man but to the Spirit within the man Jesus.

For example, God cannot die but the man Jesus died. However, the God Spirit within Him brought back the man to life. Now, He lives eternally.
so you wrote, "By saying Jesus is God, we do not refer to the man but to the Spirit within the man Jesus."

So Jesus is God because the spirit in him is God?

Also answer, according to Rom.8.11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you...


So I am God because the same spirit is also in me? 😮‍💨 of course not because that is the deception of the devil
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 8:07pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
You mean the the new light they thought you in your cult which will soon be one old light?
you keep talking nonsense but not surprised your father was a liar and an accuser from the beginning
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 8:08pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
The Bible Truth as already demonstrated on this thread. You can reject the truth but you cannot the reject the consequences.
demonstrator, all you had to do was admit or are you denying it.

your truth is that Jesus is a god
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 8:10pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
The diagram says God is three persons but the 3 are not individually the same .
this is one of your truths demonstrated that your god is three different persons 😁😀
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 8:13pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
God the Father is the God that manifests as Son and Holy Spirit.
one of your so called truths your
god manifests as the son, yet you wrote previously that god is the spirit of the son, anyway so your god who manifests as his own son, spoke to himself about being forsaken on the cross? his own manifestation prayed not his will but his other fatherly manifestation's will
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 8:16pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
I have explained that to you.

When people saw Jesus, did they see His Spirit or His body? His body is not God. His Spirit is.

You need a spiritual encounter with Jesus to know the real Jesus.
one of your many demonstrations of your version of truth on this thread.

even Peter and true Jesus deny you
Matt.16.16 - Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God."
17 - Jesus replied, "You are blessed, Simon son of John, because my Father in heaven has revealed this to you. You did not learn this from any human being.
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 8:24pm On Feb 06, 2025
gohf:
2John.1.7 There are a lot of smooth-talking charlatans loose in the world who refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was truly human, a flesh-and-blood human being. Give them their true title: Deceiver! Antichrist!
If Jesus was merely a human, are you saying that Jesus lied by indicating He came from within the Father and would return unto the Father?

Are you saying that the Jesus lied when He called Himself The Resurrection and the Life? Are you saying the Bible lied when it called Jesus the Word of God? Are you saying Jesus lied when He called Himself the Beginning and the Ending, the Alpha and the Omega?

Does the Greek word I dissected in my OP mean anything other than Jesus being of the same essence with God? Are you ready to show us that my submission was false?

The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. The Lord said to me: “What they say is good. I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name. Deuteronomy 18: 15 - 19
That was as far as Moses could see in his day. When Jesus arrived the scene, this is what was said about Him:

Here's Hebrews 3:1-6:

"1 Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our apostle and high priest.

2 He was faithful to the one who appointed him, just as Moses was faithful in all God’s house (this is where Jesus bore a similarity with Moses).

3 Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses, just as the builder (Jesus} of a house has greater honor than the house (Moses) itself.

4 For every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything.

5 “Moses was faithful as a servant in all God’s house,” bearing witness to what would be spoken by God in the future.

6 But Christ is faithful as the Son over God’s house. And we are his house, if indeed we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope in which we glory."

We can look into the original Greek of this verse too to further break it down for you.
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 8:29pm On Feb 06, 2025
gohf:
one of your many demonstrations of your version of truth on this thread.

even Peter and true Jesus deny you
Matt.16.16 - Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God."
17 - Jesus replied, "You are blessed, Simon son of John, because my Father in heaven has revealed this to you. You did not learn this from any human being.
You read the Bible my friend, but you don't understand.

Did you observe the response of Jesus?

The same scripture you quoted said:

17 - Jesus replied, "You are blessed, Simon son of John, because my Father in heaven has revealed this to you. You did not learn this from any human being".

If the physical Jesus everyone was seeing was the real Jesus, does Peter need any revelation from the Father to see Him?

Jesus was telling Peter that "Hey, you know me only because my Father has revealed me to you. Not because you're seeing me everyday."
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Truthseeker10: 8:31pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
You read the Bible my friend, but you don't understand.

Did you observe the response of Jesus?

The same scripture you quoted said:

17 - Jesus replied, "You are blessed, Simon son of John, because my Father in heaven has revealed this to you. You did not learn this from any human being".

If the physical Jesus everyone was seeing was the real Jesus, does Peter need any revelation from the Father to see Him?

Jesus was telling Peter that "Hey, you know me only because my Father has revealed me to you. Not because you're seeing me everyday."
So there is real and fake Jesus🤣🤣🤣🤣
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 8:33pm On Feb 06, 2025
gohf:
one of your so called truths your
god manifests as the son, yet you wrote previously that god is the spirit of the son, anyway so your god who manifests as his own son, spoke to himself about being forsaken on the cross? his own manifestation prayed not his will but his other fatherly manifestation's will
You're just talking can ally.

Did you see the diagram the guy showed me? Go take a look at it again, it answers all your questions.

The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are distinct personalities within the same One Person, God.

Don't use yourself to compare God. God can never be like you.
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 8:34pm On Feb 06, 2025
gohf:
this is one of your truths demonstrated that your god is three different persons 😁😀
Yeah, according to the Scriptures. I don't have a god actually. I have a God
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 8:34pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
If Jesus was merely a human, are you saying that Jesus lied by indicating He came from within the Father and would return unto the Father?

Are you saying that the Jesus lied when He called Himself The Resurrection and the Life? Are you saying the Bible lied when it called Jesus the Word of God? Are you saying Jesus lied when He called Himself the Beginning and the Ending, the Alpha and the Omega?

Does the Greek word I dissected in my OP mean anything other than Jesus being of the same essence with God? Are you ready to show us that my submission was false?



That was as far as Moses could see in his day. When Jesus arrived the scene, this is what was said about Him:

Here's Hebrews 3:1-6:

"1 Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our apostle and high priest.

2 He was faithful to the one who appointed him, just as Moses was faithful in all God’s house (this is where Jesus bore a similarity with Moses).

3 Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses, just as the builder (Jesus} of a house has greater honor than the house (Moses) itself.

4 For every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything.

5 “Moses was faithful as a servant in all God’s house,” bearing witness to what would be spoken by God in the future.

6 But Christ is faithful as the Son over God’s house. And we are his house, if indeed we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope in which we glory."

We can look into the original Greek of this verse too to further break it down for you.
in your arrogance you would accuse the apostles who testify of Jesus of lying against Jesus because they say he is a human sent by God who comes from God.

Jesus never called himself the beginning and the end, you are the one lying against him.
Look you can only attempt to copy wisdom but never truly have it except to receive it from God so go back to your chatGP and metaAI since you do not want to repent and receive the Holy Spirit from God who will teach you the truth.

Look at you who wants to teach others, you are calling the house Jesus builds Moses, the house is Moses abi, well done. You are failing already with English you want to use Greek

You are indeed demonstrating your truth
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 8:36pm On Feb 06, 2025
gohf:
demonstrator, all you had to do was admit or are you denying it.

your truth is that Jesus is a god
All you have to do is counter the Truth as demonstrated. Shouting here and there cannot help you obscure the truth.

Counter me and tell the world that that scripture didn't say what I said it says.
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 8:37pm On Feb 06, 2025
gohf:
you keep talking nonsense but not surprised your father was a liar and an accuser from the beginning
Be corrected. Your organization has been lying and coming up new lights every now and then. Should I prove that to you? There are many threads here dedicated to exposing the lies of your organization.

So dear, what new lights do you have today?
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 8:38pm On Feb 06, 2025
Truthseeker10:
So there is real and fake Jesus🤣🤣🤣🤣
that is not the thing that burst my head, is that he ignored what was revealed to Peter and started typing that nonsense he wrote
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 8:40pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
Be corrected. Your organization has been lying and coming up new lights every now and then. Should I prove that to you? There are many threads here dedicated to exposing the lies of your organization.

So dear, what new lights do you have today?
😂 you have gone fr accusing me of being in a cult to speaking of an organization. Guy you are confused, your delusions are getting worse better ask God for mercy make your case no turn like King Saul own
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 8:41pm On Feb 06, 2025
gohf:
so you wrote, "By saying Jesus is God, we do not refer to the man but to the Spirit within the man Jesus."

So Jesus is God because the spirit in him is God?

Also answer, according to Rom.8.11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you...


So I am God because the same spirit is also in me? 😮‍💨 of course not because that is the deception of the devil
i am not God because the Same Spirit is in me. I have a human spirit that makes up the fabric of my inner man. That makes me a man. Then, I also have the Spirit of God ine. That makes me a man filled with the Spirit of God.


Jesus on the other hand was not born by a Man but by the overshadowing of the Holy Ghost upon His mother. The Spirit of God formed the fabric of His inner Being. Then, to walk the earth, He took up flesh like man.
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 8:42pm On Feb 06, 2025
Truthseeker10:
So your heart and intestine is not inside a location in your body?
How does that make me a place?
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 8:44pm On Feb 06, 2025
Truthseeker10:
There is nothing to understand there. You are making no sense.
That's what a child in primary 3 will tell a J.S 1 student when he tells him that 5 - 10 = -5.
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 8:45pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
You're just talking can ally.

Did you see the diagram the guy showed me? Go take a look at it again, it answers all your questions.

The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are distinct personalities within the same One Person, God.

Don't use yourself to compare God. God can never be like you.
was God ever trying to be like me? Did I tell you God is like me? 😮‍💨 guy are you sure you are not confused like this.

Please this is what you quoted, read it again

"one of your so called truths your
god manifests as the son, yet you wrote previously that god is the spirit of the son, anyway so your god who manifests as his own son, spoke to himself about being forsaken on the cross? his own manifestation prayed not his will but his other fatherly manifestation's will"
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by sonmvayina(m): 8:45pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
If Marduk is your god, I pity you.

God is not the universe. The universe is a creation of God.
So what was existing before the beginning?
And
Where did God create the universe?

Marduk is the same as Hashem In judaism, he is also the same as Olodumare in Yoruba and Chineke. Same creator God, different nomenclature.
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 8:45pm On Feb 06, 2025
gohf:
😂 you have gone fr accusing me of being in a cult to speaking of an organization. Guy you are confused, your delusions are getting worse better ask God for mercy make your case no turn like King Saul own
You call it an organization while I call it a cult. It's not confusing to use both words interchangeably.
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 8:47pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
Yeah, according to the Scriptures. I don't have a god actually. I have a God
so you agree your god is 3 different persons. And you confuse yourself that you have a god
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by sonmvayina(m): 8:47pm On Feb 06, 2025
Truthseeker10:
So your God Is also the faeces in your toilet. Your God is also the one raping women and killing children.
It is men who are inside God that is raping woman and also shitting inside toilet.

The universe is a unit. And God is that unit.
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 8:48pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
You call it an organization while I call it a cult. It's not confusing to use both words interchangeably.
I call what an organization? 🤣🤣🤣 ah who did this to you
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 8:49pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
All you have to do is counter the Truth as demonstrated. Shouting here and there cannot help you obscure the truth.

Counter me and tell the world that that scripture didn't say what I said it says.
is it because you are blind or you are pretending to be that you avoid all the verses and words I have posted. You can read them from the beginning maybe God out of His mercy will open your eyes
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 8:57pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
i am not God because the Same Spirit is in me. I have a human spirit that makes up the fabric of my inner man. That makes me a man. Then, I also have the Spirit of God ine. That makes me a man filled with the Spirit of God.


Jesus on the other hand was not born by a Man but by the overshadowing of the Holy Ghost upon His mother. The Spirit of God formed the fabric of His inner Being. Then, to walk the earth, He took up flesh like man.
Well men don't give birth 😂, Mary gave birth to Jesus he didn't fall from the sky, she conceived him by God's power and spirit and gave birth to him.

Anyway you went from writing this, "By saying Jesus is God, we do not refer to the man but to the Spirit within the man Jesus."

To typing the above nonsense, are you not confused, are you not making a mockery of God's word. So Jesus was no more a man filled with the spirit of God right?


Keep twisting and turning like a brood of viper
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 9:02pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
You don't see God with your physical eyes.

When Jesus showed me God, I see The Father Son and the Holy Spirit simultaneously .
really you were show three entities 😀

Even Jesus did not call the Holy Spirit God but continue your story 🍿
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 9:03pm On Feb 06, 2025
gohf:
in your arrogance you would accuse the apostles who testify of Jesus of lying against Jesus because they say he is a human sent by God who comes from God.
Yes,He was a human in His body as I said previously.

Jesus never called himself the beginning and the end, you are the one lying against him.

This shows you really don't know the Bible, you're just a noise maker.

In Revelation 22:13, Jesus said:

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

]Look you can only attempt to copy wisdom but never truly have it except to receive it from God so go back to your chatGP and metaAI since you do not want to repent and receive the Holy Spirit from God who will teach you the truth.
Buy the truth and sell it not, even wisdom, knowledge and understanding.

Since you talk contrary to the Word of God and have displayed crass ignorance by declaring that Jesus never said He's the Beginning and the End, you should actually advise yourself.

[,Look at you who wants to teach others, you are calling the house Jesus builds Moses, the house is Moses abi, well done. You are failing already with English you want to use Greek

You are indeed demonstrating your truth
This is it my friend,


Let's break down Hebrews 3:3:

"Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses, just as t[b]he builder of a house has greater honor than the house itself[/b]."

Take note of the bolded for your understanding.

Let's pull it out.

'Jesus is Greater than Moses just as the Builder is Greater than the house. '

This should clarify things for you.
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 9:03pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
He's with me right now.

Jesus is not a physical Being.
one of your demonstrations of truth
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