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| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 9:04pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
gohf:Absolutely! |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 9:06pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
gohf:Is the spirit of gohf called man or dog? If the spirit of gohf is man, also called the inner man, what is the Spirit of God? |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 9:11pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
gohf:Yes, she received Him by God's power and Spirit. He was not a product of any man's semen. The Scriptures say He was the Word who in the Beginning with God, became flesh and dwelt among men. Anyway you went from writing this, "By saying Jesus is God, we do not refer to the man but to the Spirit within the man Jesus."If Jesus was a just a man filled with the spirit of God, then His mission ended when He left the earth. That way, He lied when He said "Lol, I am with you even unto the end of the world " K eep twisting and turning like a brood of viperNo, sit down and learn. We would teach you Wisdom. |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 9:13pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
GothamCities:Rev.1.8 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, says the Lord God, He Who is and Who was and Who is to come, the Almighty (the Ruler of all). Rev.21.5 - And the one sitting on the throne [/b]said, "Look, I am making all things new!" And then he said to me, "Write this down, for what I tell you is trustworthy and true." 6 - And [b]he also said, "It is finished! I am the Alpha and the Omega--the Beginning and the End. To all who are thirsty I will give the springs of the water of life without charge! Rev.21.7 - All who are victorious will inherit all these blessings, and I will be their God, and they will be my children. Rev.21.8 - But cowards who turn away from me, and unbelievers, and the corrupt, and murderers, and the immoral, and those who practice witchcraft, and idol worshipers, and all liars--their doom is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death." Rev.22.9 - But again he said, "No, don't worship me. I am a servant of God, just like you and your brothers the prophets, as well as all who obey what is written in this scroll. Worship God!" Rev.22.10 - Then he instructed me, "Do not seal up the prophetic words you have written, for the time is near. Rev.22.11 - Let the one who is doing wrong continue to do wrong; the one who is vile, continue to be vile; the one who is good, continue to do good; and the one who is holy, continue in holiness." Rev.22.12 - "See, I am coming soon, and my reward is with me, to repay all according to their deeds. Rev.22.13 - I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." Rev.22.14 - Blessed are those who wash their robes so they can enter through the gates of the city and eat the fruit from the tree of life. Rev.22.15 - Outside the city are the dogs--the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idol worshipers, and all who love to live a lie. 🤣🤣🤣 how will you know the truth when you called Moses the house, now you are shameless avoiding your error. A confused person wants to clarify things, there's plank in your eye |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 9:14pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
gohf:By posting verses and words, you're creating a new line of argument. That's not how to debunk a a position. Take the verse I postulated and say what I said about that verse is not true. Puncture my interpretation or find a new and verified meaning to the Greek word I explained. That's how to debunk. Not by creating new lines of argument that has nothing to do with the actual argument. |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 9:15pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
gohf:Three different persons in manifestation but one in essence. |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Truthseeker10: 9:18pm On Feb 06, 2025*. Modified: 9:58pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
sonmvayina:🤣🤣🤣men are inside God. Did you not tell me that it is God that is expressing himself through people? |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 9:19pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
sonmvayina:There's no beginning, the concept of beginning is earthly. For man to understand , God Himself is the Beginning. In actual really, what we have is Eternity. Marduk is the same as Hashem In judaism, he is also the same as Olodumare in Yoruba and Chineke. Same creator God, different nomenclature.The nomenclature does not matter. What matters is who your Marduk is. If he's the universe, then, he's not God. |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Truthseeker10: 9:22pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
GothamCities:Define a place. |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 9:47pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
gohf:Look at it, verse 8: 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was {the One who died), and which is to come (the One Coming again), the Almighty. Now tell me, how: 1! God is - Yeah, God the Father is, and so is Jesus. 2. God was - God the Father NEVER WAS. He always IS. But Jesus WAS, when He died. 3. Is to Come - God the Father is NEVER TO COME. JESUS is the One who.us coming. Jesus fulfilled all description in this verse, God fulfilled only one. Hence, the verse refers to Jesus speaking. He was first introduced in verse 1 and 2 as the One who signified these things to John. He now introduced Himself in verse 8. Now, if you think God the Father wa the One speaking to John, when it was said expressly that Jesus was the One who signified these things to His servant John to be delivered to the Churches, then, I'm afraid. Rev.21.5 - And the one sitting on the throne [/b]said, "Look, I am making all things new!" And then he said to me, "Write this down, for what I tell you is trustworthy and true."Jesus was clearly the One speaking here too. The Word "It is Finished* is a literal reminder of Jesus' same Word on the cross. Then, "To all who are thirsty, I will give of the springs of the water of Life" is a word of promised made by Jesus to the Samaritan woman in John 4, and at the feast in John 7:37-38. These are the exact same words of Jesus. You don't even need to confuse this verse at all. Rev.22.9 - But again he said, "No, don't worship me. I am a servant of God, just like you and your brothers the prophets, as well as all who obey what is written in this scroll. Worship God!"So, who is coming soon? God the Father or Jesus? Rev.22.14 - Blessed are those who wash their robes so they can enter through the gates of the city and eat the fruit from the tree of life.Amen! Even so come, Lord Jesus. And the Spirit and the Bride says come. 🤣🤣🤣 how will you know the truth when you called Moses the house, now you are shameless avoiding your error. A confused person wants to clarify things, there's plank in your eyeWe are God's house, perhaps you don't know. Jesus is not a house but the Builder. "I will Build my Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail." |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 9:57pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
GothamCities:you mean teach foolishness, you make an assumption that oh if Jesus is man filled with the Holy Spirit therefore His mission ended, are you not being silly, I doubt you believe that God raised him from the dead and exalted him to His right side. Obviously such foolishness can not understand our mediator and intercessor who says he is with us always, who said he and the Father will come and abide with us. Submit to God resist the devil who is the author of your confusion or continue to believe his lie called three gods from nicolaitans doctrine of idolatry that you believe |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 10:02pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
GothamCities:you are just a confused human that's why truthseeker10 was laughing at you saying so Jesus is no more in heaven right You who say Jesus has no physical body, listen to what the bible calls you and your rubbish demonstration of truths 2John.1.7 There are a lot of smooth-talking charlatans loose in the world who refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was truly human, a flesh-and-blood human being. Give them their true title: Deceiver! Antichrist! You are a deceiver. The previous time I quoted this verse for you, you challenged it and accused it of lying against Jesus |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 10:07pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
GothamCities:are you not confused, which verse did you use or quote correctly that I didn't "debunk" is it not just revelations I did and you are here lying again shamelessly. The fact you lie about simple things like this is already shocking that you claim to teach and clarify others |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 10:15pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
gohf:Please debunk my lies. Expose me. Just point me to where you dissected the verse I have used to create this thread, and proved my reasoning to be faulty. I'm seriously begging you to expose me. You cannot just be alleging someone by mere shouting that the person has lied without proof! |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 10:16pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
GothamCities:Rev.1.8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega--the beginning and the end," says the Lord God. "I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come, the Almighty One." No matter how much you try to change the truth to fit your lies it will never become the truth. The devil will keep bringing up new ways to deceive you. So it was God who died for you? Not Jesus anymore? So the words Jesus spoke were from himself and not from God anymore? Continue. So if I quote what God said in Isaiah I am now God and the originator of those words. Continue you will soon reach the bottom of the pit you are digging |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 10:22pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
GothamCities:I have been doing that even in your previous thread. You just choose to be blind or better yet be pretentious |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 10:25pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
GothamCities:to show you are a confused person deliberately letting yourself to be used. This is what you are responding to, "really you were show three entities". You are just a liar. Even simple personal questions you can not answer with confidence, you will either avoid it or start typing nonsense |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 10:28pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
gohf:Where did he say Jesus is no more in heaven? Point me to where he said that.. You who say Jesus has no physical body, listen to what the bible calls you and your rubbish demonstration of truthsWhere did I say Jesus has no physical body? Please point me to where I said that! [A quote]2John.1.7 There are a lot of smooth-talking charlatans loose in the world who refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was truly human, a flesh-and-blood human being. Give them their true title: Deceiver! Antichrist![/quote]Quiting from your manipulated scriptures. Lol. The original Greek said jESUS CAME IN THE FLESH. it never said Jesus was truly human. These is a demonic rendering of that verse. I have attached the original Greek translation below. Check it out. This verse is corroborating what I have been saying. Jesus CAME IN THE FLESH. The flesh is a vehicle that Jesus came in. The flesh is not Jesus. You are a deceiver. The previous time I quoted this verse for you, you challenged it and accused it of lying against JesusYou're the deceiver actually. Copiously lying against the word of God and manipulating scriptures to suite your false narratives. See the Greek Interlinear attached. Debunk it since you know Greek more than even AI.
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| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 10:45pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
gohf:This is what you said that I responded to: really you were show three entities 😀And I told you that if your spirit is called man, what should God's spirit be called? You're just a liar man. I've screenshot you below:
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| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 10:49pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
gohf:We're now talking about this very thread dear. You said I'm blind and a liar to deny that you have debunked me on this thread. Prove yourself right now and stop using escapist responses. Show me how you too the verse on this thread and exposed me to have lied or manipulated the verse. I beg you to do that now or be called a liar for life! |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 10:55pm On Feb 06, 2025*. Modified: 7:38am On Feb 07, 2025 |
gohf:The joke is on you! That verse says the One who was" which is Jesus who died, but you're confused claiming God was the One calling Himself the Beginning and the End in that verse. So, with this your confused question, do you now agree that it was Jesus speaking and not God? Do you now agree that Jesus is the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and Omega, The Almighty? So the words Jesus spoke were from himself and not from God anymore? Continue.How does that change the fact that Jesus was the One who spoke to John in Revelation 1? So if I quote what God said in Isaiah I am now God and the originator of those words. Continue you will soon reach the bottom of the pit you are diggingSMH. The difference here is that the Speaker was not quoting anyone. Or did you see the words in quote? He was speaking His normal language for identification sake as He introduced Himself. John knew clearly by those words Who it was that was speaking to him. |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 11:02pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
GothamCities:yes the joke is on me, you win. Believe whatever it is that you want. There was never a hope that you would change 😮💨 so ride on 👍👍 |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 11:04pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
GothamCities:is that so, okay o. Thank God you did not believe my lies. Ride on 👍 |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 11:09pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
GothamCities:exposing you 🤣 lol you can go ahead and call me a liar for life. The issue is you will only increase your punishment but that shouldn't stop you, are you not 100% sure you are right 😊 so keep up your confidence 👍 Lol I never took you seriously to attempt "exposing you" 😮💨 even a child would see your nonsense when reading the simple exchanges we have had |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 7:13am On Feb 07, 2025*. Modified: 7:35am On Feb 07, 2025 |
gohf:The normal rhetoric of iars after they're challenged to prove themselves. They usually shoot back a retort to escape their shame. Instead of the gibberish you typed up there, a fewer lines of reference to prove yourself would have suffice. You don't take me serious, yet you spewed so much gibberish without proving a single thing against me. May God have mercy on your soul. |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:24am On Feb 07, 2025 |
GothamCities:In Jesus Name, Amen! ![]() |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 7:26am On Feb 07, 2025 |
gohf:It's not possible for me to change from the truth to lies. If I were you, rather than defending falsehood in the face of obvious truth, I'll humbly reconsider my position with deep consideration for my soul and my eternity. Those who take God's Word for granted and refuse to turn around in absolute submission to the Word of God even after they've been unwittingly shown their errors are buying eternal damnation for themselves. If you cannot prove that I lied on this thread, then, you're the one who lied, holding on to falsehood and have refused to shift your sinking ground for the sake of your own soul. My prayer for you is that God will fill you with the burning desire for Truth and not human doctrines; give you a humble heart to see your shortcomings and not your need to be egoistic; open your inner man to embrace the true gospel and not the doctrines of demons; and provide you a pathway to choose salvation instead of religious loyalty. |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 7:29am On Feb 07, 2025 |
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| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 8:35am On Feb 07, 2025 |
GothamCities:Those who take God's Word for granted and refuse to turn around in absolute submission to the Word of God even after they've been unwittingly shown their errors are buying eternal damnation for themselves. So may my words you have read continue to remain lies to you forever, may you continue to reject them with your fervency 😊 👍. Congratulations 🎉🎉 |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 8:36am On Feb 07, 2025 |
GothamCities:lol let me escape in my shame in peace, you continue in your glory. May those words continue to remain gibberish to you. 😊 |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 8:53am On Feb 07, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:see this one, since the day I rejected your invitation to where gothamcities calls a cult, your |
| Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 8:56am On Feb 07, 2025 |
gohf:Lol. |
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