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TheDevilsBride:
Stubborn species of beetle clinging to a rapidly eroding heap of steaming dung, lmao.

If you call it "dung" and you strongly believe in your heart that it's worthless then why not simply walk away nah?

Ọmọ your loneliness is obvious atheism is bad for you there's no need hiding the feeling we know isolation is your problem!

Aemmyjah:
Lol

Is "Lol" the sound your brain makes when it runs out of ideas, hmmm?

It's ridiculous atheist that ask for definition of nothing

What exactly is ridiculous about it, ehn, Aemmyjah? Is it not a telling indication of your intellectual laziness, that you think you can effortlessly scorn and/or dismiss the very process of precise definition? My dear, "nothing" is NOT a self-evident concept. Please absorb this fundamental truism into your brain. Anybody who told you otherwise, sold you a lie. Nothing could mean a whole plethora of things:

> Absolute vacuum
> Quantum vacuum state
> Philosophical non-existence
> Metaphysical zero point
etc etc.

FYI, these are just a few couple of definitions ascribed to the word "nothing", and each of them carry radically different implications on their own, just so you know.

Just as woke transgender people will forever argue with the definition of woman and whether men give birth to childrrn or not

My friend, this is common practice in any academic setting. Whenever we want to try and understand complex concepts, we have to always define our terms. This is a fundamental aspect of academic discourse, which is why there's a section for definition of terminologies in research work and school projects. It's what separates logical presentation and reasoned argument from beer parlor babbling, lmao.

Is science completely reliable as to what they present as fact? No.

Okay, and so? Like many God proponents who know practically next to nothing about the scientific method, you are laboring under the delusional assumption that science must be able to provide you with the same comforting certainty of a warm blanket. I'm sorry dear, but it doesn't quite work like that. This universe we're living in, is a vast, indifferent expanse of swirling chaos, mysteries and mind-boggling complexity, that doesn't give a hoot about your emotional needs.

They have never and recently, they seem to deliberately misinterpret and contradict each other and one is the idea of sexuality which is now highly debatable.

What science simply does is to try and understand this universe by forming hypotheses, testing them rigorously, and revising them (or discarding them entirely) if/when the evidence demands. When the results are in, science uses them to build models that approximate (<<<notice the verb I used) reality. Are the models perfect? Definitely not! In fact, far from. But they don't necessarily have to be perfect, and that's the beauty and strength of science: it examines, challenges, revises, refines and improves knowledge. Plus it's the best method we have now for understanding reality.

You're too busy decrying science for not being "completely reliable", and yet here you are, using its' fruits. Abi how do you think the device you're using to communicate with me came about, hmmm? Shebi it fell from heaven? Or your God pulled it out from his anus and gave it to you? Since it's not completely reliable, why not discard it and post handwritten letters to me via the post office? Mate, you're living in the 21st century. Don't be archaic.

If you don't understand what I mean by the question of life coming from nothing, may be I'll help you

Do tell. I'm all ears.

Did life result from blind, unguided and random events (accident). Does the evidence point to an accident or a thoughtful process and design?

Look, there's nothing like "accident" or "design". You have presented a false dichotomy here. If you don't know what the highlighted term means, it's a type of logical fallacy where you assume that there are only two possibilities, and none else exist. There's many other ways life and the universe, might have come about. Now, I'm not a scientist myself. My only resources are scientific journals and peer reviewed research that can be accessed via the internet. So I'm just going to re-iterate the scientific consensus, because I think it's clear enough: Evolution is simply a non-random, non-accidental process, that is driven by multiple factors such as natural selection, genetic drift, as well as other basic mechanisms. Scientists have evidence from various fields like genetics, paleontology, comparative anatomy, and molecular biology to confirm and assert that life, indeed, evolved over millions of years through a series of gradual, incremental changes.

But most importantly though, I need to understand why you think I, as an atheist, should be expected to know and defend these things. This is one particular detail that has bothered me about Christians, lol. Do you seriously think all atheists care about evolution? Do you think I'm an atheist because of evolution? How does your inability to understand the scientific consensus on evolution somehow prove that God exists?

If you go to the street and ask people what a radiowave, xray, microwave means, many do not know and that does not mean they exist.

This particular statement of yours just made me realize that you didn't even read my previous response to you. Perhaps you just glossed through it, for the sake of making a response. I say this, because if you truly did read my response, you'd have seen the very clear and poignant distinction I outlined there, between concepts like electromagnetism and God or spirits.

The same kind of evidence that will convince a scientist that microwaves, radio waves, x-rays, UV rays, IR radiation etc etc exist, even though he can't physically set his sights on any of them. Can you guess what all of the aforementioned have in common? That's right: measurable effects. The fact that you can't see them, doesn't mean you can't measure them. Every color has a specific wavelength of visible light that cause different optic nerve cells to fire when the light falls on particular cone-cells in the retina.
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by TheDevilsBride(f): 3:38pm On Feb 5, 2025

What we have learned so far from the creation is very small and our understanding is far from perfect. The knowledge is more than limitless and there are mysteries. And that is just our universe.

Thank goodness, that you saw fit to concede, and make this very honest admission of the limitations of our knowledge as human beings. However, I got a bit amused, watching you undermine and scatter everything you just said with your very next statement here:

Only a woke, blind cretard who does not know 1% of everything about life and the universe will conclude there is no God.

Ignoring the childish and needless ad hominem you trotted out there, this was such a hilarious non-sequitur to your previous paragraph, I was almost tempted to laugh out loud at your bizarre logic. In all your perceptiveness, you managed to admit the vastness of the cosmos, as well as our relative insignificance in it, even going as far as to acknowledge that there are many mysteries in the natural world, that we don't have answers to yet. So for the life of me, I can't fathom how someone can readily admit all these facts, and still come to the absurd conclusion, that there is God who created the world in seven days, who experiences pleasure, jealousy, anger, etc etc, lol. I mean, how does it follow logically, that the existence of mysteries and unanswered questions is evidence for the existence of God?

How do you measure God?

The same way I measure unicorns, fairies leprechauns, goblins, orcs and the Flying Spaghetti Monster - I simply don't, lol. You see, your God, just like these mythical creatures I mentioned, is far beyond any form of measurement, detection, or even falsification, and so when it comes to establishing your God's existence as a fact, I withhold belief, as such a concept cannot even be tested or measured by any tool we use to understand our reality and form a consensus.

Besides, there are many people who strongly believe in the existence of a creator including scientists and politicians but they don't have any religious affiliation...

I'm not sure what your point is here, but if you're trying to appeal to popularity (which is a well studied logical fallacy called argumentum ad populum, I'll just have you know that your appeal is dead on arrival. The fact that many people from various walks of life believe in it doesn't make it true or valid. Belief is not, and can never be a reliable metric for determining fact. I can muster a million kids who believe in Santa Claus. Does that make him real, lmao?

Now, where does our sense of altruism comes from? Do they evolve from animals?

Altruism has evolutionary roots, and is often explained by group selection, reciprocal altruism etc etc. Again, what does this have to do with God? If we don't understand where the concept of selflessness emanated from, does it logically follow that God exists?

MaxInDHouse:
If you call it "dung" and you strongly believe in your heart that it's worthless then why not simply walk away nah?

Ọmọ your loneliness is obvious atheism is bad for you there's no need hiding the feeling we know isolation is your problem!

Can you demonstrate how innocent and simple intellectual curiosity constitutes loneliness? Why so defensive ?

TheDevilsBride:
Can you demonstrate how innocent and simple intellectual curiosity constitutes loneliness? Why so defensive ?

Curiosity is one thing but when you already decided on something yet keep going back, ọmọ that's no longer curiosity but loneliness!

MaxInDHouse:
Curiosity is one thing but when you already decided on something yet keep going back, ọmọ that's no longer curiosity but loneliness!

But repetition is not loneliness nau. It's called "seeking clarification", lmao.

I know, I know. It's a concept clearly foreign to your echo chamber .

TheDevilsBride:
But repetition is not loneliness nau. It's called "seeking clarification", lmao.
I know, I know. It's a concept clearly foreign to your echo chamber .

What do you care to do with the so called CLARIFICATION?

I was formerly a Muslim and when i need to clarify matters i focus on what i needed: Clarification

But this case is different because your mind is already made up according to you so it's no longer clarification but a sense of LONELINESS that's bringing you here to chat with religionists!

MaxInDHouse:
What do you care to do with the so called CLARIFICATION?

I could do a lot with it, actually. You see, unlike you, I don't have a vested interest in compulsive and wilful ignorance.

I was formerly a Muslim and when i need to clarify matters i focus on what i needed: Clarification

That's nice to know. Congrats on the conversion, although I'm not sure switching from one delusion to another grants you any sort of expertise in critical thinking.

But this case is different because your mind is already made up according to you so it's no longer clarification but a sense of LONELINESS that's bringing you here to chat with religionists!

My mind isn't made up, actually. I'm open to changing my views if you have the evidence. Unfortunately, you've got nothing left in your bag of tricks, and the way you keep quoting me, without any more new points or evidence to share, suggests to me that you're the one desperately seeking validation for your faith, because it's under serious attack .

TheDevilsBride:
Is "Lol" the sound your brain makes when it runs out of ideas, hmmm?



What exactly is ridiculous about it, ehn, Aemmyjah? Is it not a telling indication of your intellectual laziness, that you think you can effortlessly scorn and/or dismiss the very process of precise definition? My dear, "nothing" is NOT a self-evident concept. Please absorb this fundamental truism into your brain. Anybody who told you otherwise, sold you a lie. Nothing could mean a whole plethora of things:

> Absolute vacuum
> Quantum vacuum state
> Philosophical non-existence
> Metaphysical zero point
etc etc.

FYI, these are just a few couple of definitions ascribed to the word "nothing", and each of them carry radically different implications on their own, just so you know.



My friend, this is common practice in any academic setting. Whenever we want to try and understand complex concepts, we have to always define our terms. This is a fundamental aspect of academic discourse, which is why there's a section for definition of terminologies in research work and school projects. It's what separates logical presentation and reasoned argument from beer parlor babbling, lmao.



Okay, and so? Like many God proponents who know practically next to nothing about the scientific method, you are laboring under the delusional assumption that science must be able to provide you with the same comforting certainty of a warm blanket. I'm sorry dear, but it doesn't quite work like that. This universe we're living in, is a vast, indifferent expanse of swirling chaos, mysteries and mind-boggling complexity, that doesn't give a hoot about your emotional needs.



What science simply does is to try and understand this universe by forming hypotheses, testing them rigorously, and revising them (or discarding them entirely) if/when the evidence demands. When the results are in, science uses them to build models that approximate (<<<notice the verb I used) reality. Are the models perfect? Definitely not! In fact, far from. But they don't necessarily have to be perfect, and that's the beauty and strength of science: it examines, challenges, revises, refines and improves knowledge. Plus it's the best method we have now for understanding reality.

You're too busy decrying science for not being "completely reliable", and yet here you are, using its' fruits. Abi how do you think the device you're using to communicate with me came about, hmmm? Shebi it fell from heaven? Or your God pulled it out from his anus and gave it to you? Since it's not completely reliable, why not discard it and post handwritten letters to me via the post office? Mate, you're living in the 21st century. Don't be archaic.



Do tell. I'm all ears.



Look, there's nothing like "accident" or "design". You have presented a false dichotomy here. If you don't know what the highlighted term means, it's a type of logical fallacy where you assume that there are only two possibilities, and none else exist. There's many other ways life and the universe, might have come about. Now, I'm not a scientist myself. My only resources are scientific journals and peer reviewed research that can be accessed via the internet. So I'm just going to re-iterate the scientific consensus, because I think it's clear enough: Evolution is simply a non-random, non-accidental process, that is driven by multiple factors such as natural selection, genetic drift, as well as other basic mechanisms. Scientists have evidence from various fields like genetics, paleontology, comparative anatomy, and molecular biology to confirm and assert that life, indeed, evolved over millions of years through a series of gradual, incremental changes.

But most importantly though, I need to understand why you think I, as an atheist, should be expected to know and defend these things. This is one particular detail that has bothered me about Christians, lol. Do you seriously think all atheists care about evolution? Do you think I'm an atheist because of evolution? How does your inability to understand the scientific consensus on evolution somehow prove that God exists?



This particular statement of yours just made me realize that you didn't even read my previous response to you. Perhaps you just glossed through it, for the sake of making a response. I say this, because if you truly did read my response, you'd have seen the very clear and poignant distinction I outlined there, between concepts like electromagnetism and God or spirits.

The same kind of evidence that will convince a scientist that microwaves, radio waves, x-rays, UV rays, IR radiation etc etc exist, even though he can't physically set his sights on any of them. Can you guess what all of the aforementioned have in common? That's right: measurable effects. The fact that you can't see them, doesn't mean you can't measure them. Every color has a specific wavelength of visible light that cause different optic nerve cells to fire when the light falls on particular cone-cells in the retina.
Re: If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?" by TheDevilsBride(f): 3:38pm On Feb 5, 2025



Thank goodness, that you saw fit to concede, and make this very honest admission of the limitations of our knowledge as human beings. However, I got a bit amused, watching you undermine and scatter everything you just said with your very next statement here:



Ignoring the childish and needless ad hominem you trotted out there, this was such a hilarious non-sequitur to your previous paragraph, I was almost tempted to laugh out loud at your bizarre logic. In all your perceptiveness, you managed to admit the vastness of the cosmos, as well as our relative insignificance in it, even going as far as to acknowledge that there are many mysteries in the natural world, that we don't have answers to yet. So for the life of me, I can't fathom how someone can readily admit all these facts, and still come to the absurd conclusion, that there is God who created the world in seven days, who experiences pleasure, jealousy, anger, etc etc, lol. I mean, how does it follow logically, that the existence of mysteries and unanswered questions is evidence for the existence of God?



The same way I measure unicorns, fairies leprechauns, goblins, orcs and the Flying Spaghetti Monster - I simply don't, lol. You see, your God, just like these mythical creatures I mentioned, is far beyond any form of measurement, detection, or even falsification, and so when it comes to establishing your God's existence as a fact, I withhold belief, as such a concept cannot even be tested or measured by any tool we use to understand our reality and form a consensus.



I'm not sure what your point is here, but if you're trying to appeal to popularity (which is a well studied logical fallacy called argumentum ad populum, I'll just have you know that your appeal is dead on arrival. The fact that many people from various walks of life believe in it doesn't make it true or valid. Belief is not, and can never be a reliable metric for determining fact. I can muster a million kids who believe in Santa Claus. Does that make him real, lmao?



Altruism has evolutionary roots, and is often explained by group selection, reciprocal altruism etc etc. Again, what does this have to do with God? If we don't understand where the concept of selflessness emanated from, does it logically follow that God exists?

If you like
Write a whole book of boring nonsense
It won't make you correct

U did not disprove what I said about scientific fact. You said 'okay? So'
If I can't accept the science notion that men can get pregnant , am I stupid to believe what they said that life came by mere chance?
The theory of evolution is bent on abiogenesis but abiogenesis is a theory defeated since the time of Louis Pasteur. Biogenesis is proven as fact and scientifically proven


If the theme of evolution is survival of the fittest , where then does our sense of justice and altruism and morality comes from?

The device I use in communicating is a design. Can you compare this device to your own brain? The brain is far more complicated that the most sophisticated innovation by man but you'll be completely stupid to believe the brain is not a wonder of intelligent design. Where does the seat of intelligence comes from?


Over 90% of scientist believe that evolution is random. You say it is not random. Nonsense

If evolution is driven by natural selection, genetic drift, as well as other basic mechanisms as you said. Can you give any prove that these factors were not accidental? Was it your forefathers that started and controlled it to bring about all the life forms?
It is like telling your own child that, there was a powerful windstorm that suddenly brought about all the sand and cement and building materials together the blocks formed itself and started foundation. The storm was so powerful that trees fell and ants began to eat off parts of it and then the furnitures and wooden elements of the house was made. You're purely ridiculous

My thinking of Santa Claus, if you asked me was a big man in red and white that give gifts and grant wishes. That was what I was told and I was later told it was fiction but it was to make Christmas fun. Santa Claus actually started as an advertisement for a beverage factory in Brazil
There is no proof, no solid proof of evolution. Can you provide what geneticists and paleontologist have provided to prove that evolution is fact and established?

Scientists lied about how tobacco contribute to climate change and the impact of climate change and that was why nations did not take global warming seriously
Scientists lied and are lying about the impact of drugs to the body such as cannabis
Today they are lying that a man can get pregnant
They are lying that gender is limitless
Yet, I am stupid for not accepting the theory of evolution?

If you like, fool yourself on the definition of nothing. It is your own problem

Even if the theory of evolution is true, where does that leave you? Hopeless. You have no future, no hope, no reliable guidance. You are no different from grass and animals in the bush living for self gratification. Nonsense is what makes complete sense to you

TheDevilsBride:
Delusion to another grants you any sort of expertise in critical thinking.

At first it seems like delusion to me too but after clarification i discovered it's no delusion rather it's misinformation.

Today i know that the true God wants all mankind to live as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers under one organization unlike what Satan is promoting "ISOLATION" which promotes hatred hence development of destructive devices just to annihilate one another.
So i can say i have sure evidence of God's presence in the gathering of His Organized worshipers today.
If you feel everything is delusion that's your own personal conclusion!

Aemmyjah:
If you like
Write a whole book of boring nonsense
It won't make you correct.

She has a twisted mindset yet she wants to chat with people whom she claims are deluded but what baffles me is her seriousness in typing epistles upon epistles and when you try to clarify matters she sticks to her preconceived opinion in order to trash reasonableness! 1Timothy 6:20; 2Timothy 2:23; Titus 3:9

Aemmyjah:
If you like
Write a whole book of boring nonsense

You mean like your Hole-ly Buybull ?

It won't make you correct

...says the dude regurgitating the same tired, factless creationist talking points for centuries. You think any of the inane crap you've said here is new information? Unlike you, everything I've said here is backed by evidence and rational thought, although I'm starting to suspect that the latter is quite a monumental task for you Christians to get involved with, lol.

U did not disprove what I said about scientific fact. You said 'okay? So'

That's because you're attacking a straw man argument. Science has never claimed to be 100% reliable, as it's nothing but a self-correcting process that refines our understanding of the world. So you're only fighting with your own misunderstanding, swinging wildly in the shadows, trying to hit what's not gonna hit you back. You're attacking your caricature of science, not the real deal McCoy.

If I can't accept the science notion that men can get pregnant , am I stupid to believe what they said that life came by mere chance?

Red herring. You keep trotting out this irrelevant canard about sexuality, and I wonder why. The scientific consensus on evolution has absolutely nothing to do with gender identity, or reproductive biology. Do keep up.

The theory of evolution is bent on abiogenesis but abiogenesis is a theory defeated since the time of Louis Pasteur.

Sorry to disappoint you, my friend, but Pasteur's work on spontaneous generation, as groundbreaking as it was, did NOT disprove abiogenesis. As a matter of fact, modern science has been making significant progress in trying to understand the origins of life on Earth, so I don't know what you're on about. You're stuck in the 19th century. Try to meet up, lmao.

Biogenesis is proven as fact and scientifically proven

Biogenesis is simply just the observation, that life as we all know it, requires pre-existing life. That's it. It doesn't even begin to address the topic of the origins of life itself, lmao. You have confused a trivial observation with a profound scientific insight. I hope you're starting to realize why I said you're merely fighting your own misunderstanding of science?

If the theme of evolution is survival of the fittest , where then does our sense of justice and altruism and morality comes from?

Asked and answered HERE, at the very last paragraph. Further reading would also be in order for you, I'm not obligated to spoon-feed you. Moreover, I see you conveniently dodged the questions I posed to you, or you think you don't have anything to answer to? Abeg o, you have answer me: What does this have to do with God? If we don't understand where the concept of selflessness emanated from, does it logically follow that God exists?.

The device I use in communicating is a design.

How do you recognize design, hmmm? Is it simplicity, or complexity? More importantly, how are you able to tell the difference between a designed object, and an object that wasn't designed, hmmm? I look forward to reading your elucidation of this conundrum.

Can you compare this device to your own brain? The brain is far more complicated that the most sophisticated innovation by man but you'll be completely stupid to believe the brain is not a wonder of intelligent design.

False equivocation. We have the facts to prove that phones are indeed, created and designed, and we can easily repeat the process. Can same be said for the human brain?

Where does the seat of intelligence comes from?

Intelligence is just a manifestation and/or emergent property of complex systems like the brain, and cannot exist without the brain. We've made tremendous progress in understanding the neural basis of cognition, but I'm guessing that's just too inconvenient for your "design"-addled brain to absorb, or handle.

Over 90% of scientist believe that evolution is random. You say it is not random. Nonsense

Evolution is not a random process. The genetic variation on which natural selection acts may occur randomly, but natural selection itself is not random at all. The survival and reproductive success of an individual is directly related to the ways its inherited traits function in the context of its local environment. Whether or not an individual survives and reproduces depends on whether it has genes that produce traits that are well adapted to its environment.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/faq/cat01.html

Who are the "over 90% of scientists" you're referring too, hmmm? Do you know them personally? Smh, you've started telling cheap lies to force your banal narrative, because getting acquainted with the relevant scientific literature is just too cumbersome a task for your "designed" brain, abi?

If evolution is driven by natural selection, genetic drift, as well as other basic mechanisms as you said. Can you give any prove that these factors were not accidental?

You can't ask me to prove a negative. It's like asking me to prove that unicorns don't exist. This is elementary stuff you're supposed to know and pick up before diving into theological or philosophical discussions. Besides, this reminds of another set of questions you conveniently dodged from my last rejoinder: Do you seriously think all atheists care about evolution? Do you think I'm an atheist because of evolution? How does your inability to understand the scientific consensus on evolution somehow prove that God exists?.

Was it your forefathers that started and controlled it to bring about all the life forms?

You do realize, you just channeled your creationist mythology here, and tried to project it on me, do you ?

It is like telling your own child that, there was a powerful windstorm that suddenly brought about all the sand and cement and building materials together the blocks formed itself and started foundation. The storm was so powerful that trees fell and ants began to eat off parts of it and then the furnitures and wooden elements of the house was made.

Cute analogy, but woefully irrelevant. Evolution didn't just happen suddenly. Its a gradual, evidence-driven process, spanning millions upon millions of years. You'd know this if you just pulled your head out of your arse, and adequately familiarized yourself with the topic, before coming to embarrass yourself, lol.

You're purely ridiculous

Ridiculousness is believing, without any evidence, that the entire universe came about in 7 days. Ridiculousness is believing that serpents and donkeys can talk. You should be, the very last person, to cast judgement, on what you think is ridiculous or not, lmao.

My thinking of Santa Claus, if you asked me was a big man in red and white that give gifts and grant wishes. That was what I was told and I was later told it was fiction but it was to make Christmas fun.

Just like you were told there's a bearded old white man in the sky, who cares about where you put your weiner, and what you choose to eat for breakfast, but you still gullibly accept these things till this very moment, even with your white hairs and slippery ogo .

Santa Claus actually started as an advertisement for a beverage factory in Brazil

Haba ! Beverage factory, bawo? Saint Nicholas of Myra was a bishop from 4th century, Byzantine era. Smh, lmfao, you can't even get your facts straight, and you want to talk about subjects as complex as science. This is the second cheap, bare-faced lie you've told in this discussion. Now you've really goofed up. If anyone was foolish enough to grant you even an iota of seriousness, before you committed this comedic masterpiece of a blunder, they're likely having a hard re-think, lmao.

There is no proof, no solid proof of evolution.

Ignoring the fact that there is, indeed, a plethora of evidence from genetics, paleontology, comparative anatomy, molecular biology etc etc, that you've wilfully shut your eyes to, I still need you to make me understand: Do you seriously think all atheists care about evolution? Do you think I'm an atheist because of evolution? How does your inability to understand the scientific consensus on evolution somehow prove that God exists?.

Can you provide what geneticists and paleontologist have provided to prove that evolution is fact and established?

Of course. Pick up any high-level biology textbook you can find, and you'll see it all, staring you in the face, lmfao. There's information about phylogenetic trees, comparative genomics, fossil records, and so on. It's possible you're not a science student, so you may not have learnt any of this in school. That being said, your ignorance is no one's fault, and it's not really anyone's job here to educate you, lol.

Scientists lied about how tobacco contribute to climate change and the impact of climate change and that was why nations did not take global warming seriously

Actually, the lies came from the tobacco industry and climate change deniers, and they were rightfully exposed. Scientists just corrected them. Nice try at deflecting responsibility though.

Scientists lied and are lying about the impact of drugs to the body such as cannabis

Abeg, which scientists? You mean the ones who studied its medicinal properties, or the ones who warned about its potential risks? Or are you trying to refer to the totally unscientific Reefer Madness propaganda campaign, lmao?

Today they are lying that a man can get pregnant

I'm pretty sure they meant trans men, and not average men, and yes, trans men can, and do get pregnant. It's a proven medical fact.

They are lying that gender is limitless

Pray tell, what's your qualification in gender studies, hmmm? Is it a certificate from the University of Google?

Yet, I am stupid for not accepting the theory of evolution?

You've done nothing, but stamp your feet on the ground like a petulant crybaby, sticking you fingers in your ears, and mumbling incoherent gibberish to distract, and deny facts that have been proven, and are obvious. In your puny mind, you think you can just sit on your fat arse and declare hard, evidenced facts to be lies, simply based off your own ignorance and misunderstanding of the context of those claims. No, you're not stupid for not accepting evolution, but I must say, you're a tad bit stupid for thinking that scientists are lying about everything else, while simultaneously insisting, that your personal interpretation of scripture is infallible. If that's not the height of arrogance and wilful self-deceit, I don't know what is.

If you like, fool yourself on the definition of nothing. It is your own problem

Your ignorance can never be my problem, lol.

Even if the theory of evolution is true, where does that leave you? Hopeless.

Funny how understanding reality leaves me hopeless, according to you, but having imaginary friends gives you hope.

You have no future, no hope, no reliable guidance.

...and your reliable guidance is a 2000-year-old text written by desert nomads ?

You are no different from grass and animals in the bush living for self gratification.

If I'm just like the animals, then how come I'm the only one, between the two of us, engaging in intelligent, rational thought, lmao?

Nonsense is what makes complete sense to you

...says the person who thinks a talking snake kick-started all of humanity's problems .

MaxInDHouse:
At first it seems like delusion to me too but after clarification i discovered it's no delusion rather it's misinformation.

Today i know that the true God wants all mankind to live as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers under one organization unlike what Satan is promoting "ISOLATION" which promotes hatred hence development of destructive devices just to annihilate one another.
So i can say i have sure evidence of God's presence in the gathering of His Organized worshipers today.
If you feel everything is delusion that's your own personal conclusion!

So you just swapped one set of blinkers for another, huh? Got ya .

By the way, you keep claiming that Satan promotes "ISOLATION" (in all caps, no less ), and that it leads to hatred and destructive devices, but isn't that exactly what your organization does, abi did you conveniently forget that you and your folks isolate members from the rest of society, including their family and loved ones, while simultaneously promoting the intolerant, exclusivist mentality that you're right, and everyone is else wrong, hmmm?

At any rate, you've repeatedly demonstrated here on this thread that your "sure evidence" of God's presence, is self-referential, devoid of logic, circular reasoning at best, that only people too scared to look reality in the face, employ. If that's your speed, it's not my cup of tea. I only ask questions for clarification, as I'm just a really curious cat by nature .

TheDevilsBride:
So you just swapped one set of blinkers for another, huh? Got ya .

I only ask questions for clarification, as I'm just a really curious cat by nature .

You are surely asking questions for clarification!

gohf:
So different people cannot paint the same picture that's covered with a veil in different ways? For you to say that no it's not the painters but what they are painting that evolves. 😮‍💨

If two artists paint a picture of the same object - say a cup, and one cup is white while the other is pitch black then it is very clear they are not painting the same cup

MaxInDHouse:
In his haughtiness, the wicked man makes no investigation; All his thoughts are: “There is no God.” Psalms 10:4

Jehovah (Yahweh) is the most merciful personality in the universe. If You guys face the same situation You will hastily destroy even the good along with the wicked.

He sure is. I mean, why else would he drown everyone in the planet save 1 family? No mercy is greater than that.

Why not put yourself in His shoes before judging Him?
When things got bad for Job he began to think and talk like a mad man {Job 6:1-3} but Jehovah loving reprove this faithful man by explaining the situation of things to him:
Before God created the earth heaven was His first established {Genesis 1:1} in heaven there are many spirit creatures who are powerful but not as powerful as their Creator one of them became a rebel and challenged God's sovereignty saying why must He get all the glory since all heavenly creatures are powerful? Why not share the glory with some of them as they are His children? Why can't man be allowed to worship God's spirit sons (angels)?
Of course an unreasonable bully would have destroyed this rebel instantly but would that solve the issue raised?
What about other sons of God (angels) present and hearing what Satan said?

So Jehovah wisely decided to let time tell if any angel could make humans happy and secure under their godship.

But will God introduce Satan to Adam and Eve telling them what transpired in heaven?

NO! Satan needs to go and present the case to them himself however he chooses to, that's the import of what happened in the garden of Eden. Satan maligned God telling Eve that God lied to them and if they could file for total independence they will become Gods themselves. Genesis 3:1-5

You know the rest of the story so when Job was bitterly complaining about his condition God told him that there is a case that needs to be settled in heaven once and for all before mankind could enjoy life just as He purposed in the beginning. Job 38:4,7

So in the Old Testament Jehovah fought to establish His name in the midst of rebellious angels claiming Gods throughout the earth that's the import of the ten plagues that happened in Egypt, each has to do with a specific God as Egyptians had many Gods they revere.
For instance the Nile River was revered as a God until Moses struck it and turned it to blood.
They had a God which they worship back then as the protector of firstling in every creature so Jehovah proved that God powerless by killing all the firstborn in Egypt.
That's just the first and last plague for you so each plague has to do with a specific God in mind.
Today the Egyptians whose ancestors worshiped those Gods have surrendered by accepting the fact that the God who sent Moses is truly the Almighty God.

You can go to Egypt and convince them to burn their Quran since it's boldly written that Moses the servant of the true God disputed with Pharaoh their own ancient king!

I don't even know what you are on about

johnydon22:
If two artists paint a picture of the same object - say a cup, and one cup is white while the other is pitch black then it is very clear they are not painting the same cup

yes if the objects are two different cups and not one cup and the two artists are trusted to paint exactly what they see

johnydon22:
He sure is. I mean, why else would he drown everyone in the planet save 1 family? No mercy is greater than that.

You called them "PEOPLE" He call them "DUST" because they are works of His hands and it's what He needs He preserves the rest He return them to the DUST from which they were made!

Lucifyre:
Damn! That's one apt, factual and well researched comment that stands up to scholarly scrutiny. Rare around here. Just to add a tidbit of info that i found recently that you didn't mention, the name and characteristics of the Shadday gods which were also conflated with Yhwh and El whence comes El shaddai. Found it reading an excerpt of Mark Smith's Early History Of God & History of Biblical Monotheism. The material on the Shadday gods is pretty small though. Anyways to buttress your point, there is no god of the bible, different depictions for different audiences at different time periods, especially as you said affected by the evolution or as some say revolution from polytheism to henotheism/monolatry to monotheism.

Monotheism as regards Yahweh evolved over time - in fact the ancestor of Judaism as we know it started post-Babylonian exile.
The Israelites as a Canaanite people never worshipped one God - they worshipped numerous other Gods in the Canaanite pantheon most notably Ba'al and Asherah.

Asherah who at some point was regarded as a consort of Yahweh had her sacred tree of worship right beside every yahweic shrine in Israel. Ba'al on the other hand was the God that Yahweh was most like. They were both youthful, storm deities although Ba'al pre-existed in Canaan before the emergence of yahweh. Their similarity and interchangeability is one of the reason why the fiercest political (which is often times theological then) battles that went on in the pre-Judaic Israel was between the cult of Ba'al and cult of Yahweh - the most famous depiction found in the contest between Elijah and the prophets of Ba'al. Both cults competed for their respective deities to be the chief God of the country.

The cult of Yahweh at the time had an advantage in the sense that they were far more prone to extremism to further their course. Each king who emerged in the society as a pro-yahweic figure often consolidated with a horrific genocidal purge of worshippers of competing deities like Ba'al - like the purge of King Josiah.

The very story of Elijah versus Prophets of Ba'al recorded that he killed every last one of the prophets of Ba'al.

Through out her history even from biblical accounts, the Israelites never at any point worshipped one God pre-Babylonian exile. That is why the theme of "Don't worship other Gods" is far too many in the old testament because it underscored a theological and political struggle between the Yahweic cult and the rest of the society who like other Canaanite tribes revered and worshipped other Gods.

As yahweh evolved, it continuously took on the characteristics and feats of other Gods. Assimilating El, Asherah becoming his consort, and appropriating Ba'al's feats.

MaxInDHouse:
You called them "PEOPLE" He call them "DUST" because they are works of His hands and it's what He needs He preserves the rest He return them to the DUST from which they were made!

Exactly. He is the most merciful!

johnydon22:
Exactly. He is the most merciful!

Of course He is the most merciful to those deserving mercy! Romans 9:15 compare to Exodus 33:19

Aemmyjah:
On the highlighted
Is it reasonable to reason with someone with such thinking?

If truth is subjective?
Who are you to argue or convince someone on the issue of faith

Where did i say truth is subjective or you need glasses?!