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| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by achorladey: 9:18pm On Feb 16, 2025*. Modified: 9:56pm On Feb 16, 2025 |
Janosky:This is one is back with his werey peddling brains, peddling his mumu and no get sense peddling about non existent organisation ![]() Jehovah's organization is a concocted lies and manipulations packed into your brains. It does not exist in the scripture it doesn't originated from God ![]() Hebrews....... but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe Your religious organization publications is filled with Jehovah and his organisation feeding his people a delusion put in place by men to keep your werey peddling brains going with mumu peddling ![]() The seven congregation in Revelation are not Jehovah’s organization. No where in that Bible you see it called Jehovah's organization. The nonsense interpretation of Ezekiel prophecy regarding those chariot an being Jehovah’s organization on the move is equally mumu and no get sense peddling packed into your brains by your taskmasters ![]() |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by achorladey: 9:40pm On Feb 16, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:Your thread carrying that madness and insanities peddling brains of yours is still on this platform. Your denial lies and manipulations that led to your madness and insanities peddling remains there. At this God said to Moses: “I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE.”*+ And he added: “This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, ‘I SHALL PROVE TO BE has sent me to YOU.’”This is the Bible verse that heightened your madness and insanities peddling brains of yours Pharisees claimed they are children of the Bible God {John 8:41}Manipulations and lies full your madness and insanities peddling brains. Jesus stated.... I know that you are Abraham’s offspring. But you are seeking to kill me, because my word makes no progress among you.It is not a claim that they are children of the Bible God. Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her+—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it.+ 38 Look! Your house is abandoned to you.Fraud full your brains ![]() Jesus said he's not on the same page with them {John 8:42-43}Not being on the same page with them is not the same as they are not children of God or offspring of Abraham. Abi Jesus too is not offspring of Abraham in your madness and insanities peddling brains? does that mean Jesus is denying his God?You are the one I quoted Exodus 3:14 for and you started peddling denials alongside madness and insanities about it. I am not quoting it for Jesus because Jesus didn't deny his father ![]() It simply means only those having same line of thought with him are worshipers of his God{Matthew 12:46-50}[/quote]Your lies and manipulations packed into your madness and insanities peddling brains are easy to expose as fraud and fraudulent ways of the scriptures. Matthew 12:46-50 is not about having one line of thought. Billions and millions can have one line of thought and not do God's will. In your madness and insanities peddling brains Buddhist in their thousands have one line of thought but you will never accept that they are doing God's will Being a worship of the God of Jesus is not about having your lies and manipulations filled one line of thought with Jesus. that is why he said Pharisees are of the devil! John 8:44They are because they are liars and he pointed it out clearly he does not deny that they are offspring of Abraham who the Bible refers to as as coming from the line of sons of God. See your lies and manipulations packed into your madness and insanities peddling brains. So we will be well pleased if you say that your God is the true God while Jehovah's Witnesses are worshiping something elseIt is your madness and insanities peddling brains that is monopolising the God in Exodus 3:14. Remove that monopoly so that lies and manipulations packed into your madness and insanities peddling brains can go. after all you're not on the same page with us {Matthew 10:24-25}I should be on same page with a lying and manipulating religious organization because they call it concocted Jehovah's organization having one line of thought on lies and manipulations ![]() but quoting Bible as if you're of the same God with us?Many madness and insanities peddling brains, I cannot quote Bible freely without you seeing me as same with you. When does quoting Bible make someone same with another person. ![]() Ọmọ it's a NO! NO!! NO!!!MaxInDHouse is not equal to Achorladey but in your madness and insanities peddling brains Achorladey = Emusan. Your NO NO have been shown to be fraud many times ![]() |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by achorladey: 9:46pm On Feb 16, 2025 |
Kobojunkie:That would be a good way to start to debunk the lies indeed ![]() |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:47pm On Feb 16, 2025 |
achorladey:Upon all said this is your understanding shey? Ọmọ you're a gonna! ![]() |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by achorladey: 9:52pm On Feb 16, 2025*. Modified: 10:41am On Feb 17, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:Your brains cannot boot to provide a rebuttal to my response to your post ![]() Upon all said this is your understanding shey?Achorladey is not MaxInDHouse is different from Achorladey and MaxInDHouse don't worship the same God. You want affiliations ni? ![]() Ọmọ you're a gonnaRunning on empty. Cannot counter after the lies and manipulations packed into his madness and insanities peddling brains got exposed again. Exodus 3:14 na Jehovah’s organization property ![]() What a fraudulent way of interpreting the scriptures. |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by johnw47: 9:57pm On Feb 16, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:false jw mad max at least you rightly separate so called Jehovah's witnesses from Christians Christendom 1. the collective body of Christians throughout the world or throughout history. 2. an obsolete word for Christianity. |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by delkuf(op): 12:43am On Feb 17, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:the Lord Jesus Christ my savior is not an angel. He is the son of God. You jw make many nonsense notions Twisting the Bible. That is how you guys the Lord Jesus Christ has returned the second in 1914. Make una get sense small |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Steep(m): 5:58am On Feb 17, 2025 |
delkuf:Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. These verses already refute any claim that Jesus is an angel. |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:16am On Feb 17, 2025 |
delkuf:https://versebyverseministry.org/bible-answers/how-do-we-know-the-angel-of-the-lord-is-jesus Have you checked what is found in the link? Well that's what your pastors concluded after studying the Bible it's not just JWs matter! ![]()
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| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:19am On Feb 17, 2025 |
Steep:https://versebyverseministry.org/bible-answers/how-do-we-know-the-angel-of-the-lord-is-jesus |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by delkuf(op): 7:50am On Feb 17, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:I am checking any link from you. All I know is that the Lord Jesus Christ is not an angel.. jw are occultist |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:53am On Feb 17, 2025 |
delkuf:Matthew 10:24-25 OK o! ![]() |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by delkuf(op): 7:57am On Feb 17, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:have told what I know. |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:02am On Feb 17, 2025 |
delkuf:I just told you what Jesus said you people will say about his real disciples who are seeking the truth: “A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household?" Matthew 10:24-25 So if you call a global organization of truth seekers "CULTISTS" you just fulfilled what Jesus said about us so it's a welcome development! ![]() |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by delkuf(op): 10:41am On Feb 17, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:maxi I know you. The last I will except is you telling me that the Lord Jesus Christ is an angel... Dont let continue engaging on this because I never except it. So let stop arguing |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:51am On Feb 17, 2025 |
delkuf:Arguing with you? ![]() Ọmọ i only present what readers of the Bible from different school of thought concluded about the angel of the LORD so it's you who is arguing with yourself as you chose to be! ![]() |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by delkuf(op): 10:55am On Feb 17, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:well so if those school of thought concluded that the Lord Jesus Christ is a angel, good for you. I don't go down that lane. So that settles it. Bye |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:57am On Feb 17, 2025 |
delkuf:So it's not only Jehovah's Witnesses that believes Jesus is the angel of the LORD try to correct yourself it's a global thing agreed upon by Bible scholars of high repute! ![]() |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:09am On Feb 17, 2025 |
https://versebyverseministry.org/bible-answers/how-do-we-know-the-angel-of-the-lord-is-jesus How do we know the Angel of the Lord is Jesus? The term “the Angel of the Lord” first appears in Genesis 16: “Now the angel of the LORD found her by a spring of water in the wilderness, by the spring on the way to Shur. He said, “Hagar, Sarai’s maid, where have you come from and where are you going?” And she said, “I am fleeing from the presence of my mistress Sarai.” Then the angel of the LORD said to her, “Return to your mistress, and submit yourself to her authority.” Moreover, the angel of the LORD said to her, “I will greatly multiply your descendants so that they will be too many to count.” The angel of the LORD said to her further, “Behold, you are with child, And you will bear a son; And you shall call his name Ishmael, Because the LORD has given heed to your affliction. “He will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone, And everyone’s hand will be against him; And he will live to the east of all his brothers.” Then she called the name of the LORD who spoke to her, “You are a God who sees”; for she said, “Have I even remained alive here after seeing Him?” Therefore the well was called Beer-lahai-roi; behold, it is between Kadesh and Bered.” Genesis 16:7-14 Notice a few things here. First, the Angel of the Lord tells Hagar that He will “greatly multiply your descendants.” An ordinary angel cannot do that, for only the Lord God can give life (Deuteronomy 32:39). Also, this statement is very similar to what God told Abraham (Genesis 15:5). Second, the Angel of the Lord knew Hagar was with child, that the child was a son, and what he would be like. Only God is omniscient to know the future (e.g., Hebrews 4:3), though ordinary angels can be told the future by God. Third, in v. 11, the angel says “the LORD has given heed to your affliction” when it was the Angel of the Lord who had given heed. Finally, in v. 13, the text says “the name of the LORD who spoke to her," clearly indicating that Hagar was speaking to God. Furthermore, Hagar calls the Angel "God" and can’t believe she remained alive after seeing Him! Indeed, the word Beer-lahai-roi means, “well of the Living One seeing me.” Next, we look at Genesis 22: “1 But the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, “Abraham, Abraham!” And he said, “Here I am.” He said, “Do not stretch out your hand against the lad, and do nothing to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.”… Then the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, and said, “By Myself I have sworn, declares the Lord, because you have done this thing and have not withheld your son, your only son, indeed I will greatly bless you, and I will greatly multiply your seed as the stars of the heavens and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your seed shall possess the gate of their enemies. In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.” Genesis 22:11-18 In both of these passages, it’s clear that the Angel of the Lord is also God. In v. 12 He says you have not withheld your son “from Me,” obviously referring to God. In vs. 15 and 16, the Angel of the Lord says of Himself “by Myself…declares the Lord.” Again, it’s clear the Angel of the Lord and God are One and the same. “Now Moses was pasturing the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian; and he led the flock to the west side of the wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. The angel of the Lord appeared to him in a blazing fire from the midst of a bush; and he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, yet the bush was not consumed. So Moses said, “I must turn aside now and see this marvelous sight, why the bush is not burned up.” When the Lord saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.” Then He said, “Do not come near here; remove your sandals from your feet, for the place on which you are standing is holy ground.” He said also, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” Then Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God.” Exodus 3:1-6 The Angel of the Lord in v.2 is clearly equated with God in v.4. In v.6, He makes clear He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and Moses understands, for he is afraid to look at God (remember Hagar above). |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 11:42am On Feb 17, 2025 |
delkuf:Martin Luther and your Protestant reformers mentors learnt from your ghost deity that Jesus is archangel Michael, angel of the LORD Yahweh. Oga, your ghost deity taught them the teaching you rejected. ![]()
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| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 11:56am On Feb 17, 2025 |
delkuf:Jesus Christ is archangel Michael, angel of the LORD Yahweh. The teaching of the holy scriptures & your fellow Trinitarians revealed by your ghost deity. Your knowledge of scriptures nah ground zero. ![]() delkuf:Those who knows better confirmed that your pastorpreneurs and gods of men dey that parrol. Nothing concern JW's, JW's no dey do am. Screenshot evidence.
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| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 12:35pm On Feb 17, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:Very misleading, As usual, false equivocations here and there! |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 12:47pm On Feb 17, 2025 |
delkuf:Don't mind them and their false equivocations. Is just like seeing a foreigner and calling him an alien? The contextual usage of the term alien means foreigner? Then all of a sudden, some people come along and start equating it to extraterrestrial, which is different from its intended meaning but it happens to be so convenient because of the original word "alien" having different meanings. Then they become intellectually dishonest when you confront them, by switching between the meanings of the word. This time they allude to only foreigner; the next perhaps oriental foreigner and when you want them to give an identity or specificity of the nature they intend; they revert back to the generic meaning of the word thereby causing confusion! |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:34pm On Feb 17, 2025 |
Gabrielshow24:Do you even know the meaning of that word "MISLEADING"? You that can't figure out why those you call your brothers in faith can't resolve their disparities peacefully but to raise weapons against their own fellow believers. ![]() |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 3:02pm On Feb 17, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Michael the conqueror. You and I both know you are intellectually incoherent. It's misleading because even the self same scriptures you use to draw false equivocations says "Michael, was one of the chief princes" Emphasis on "one of the chief princes" And you both are being intellectually dishonest. I remember asking you and your colleague the supposed substance that Angels were made from whether it was the same as God's? You are hiding under the fact that Jesus was sent by the Father and the generic term for that is "messenger" and by that you are equating Jesus with a set of beings perhaps cherubims, seraphims and all the other 'ims that might exist which also bear the name negating the identity of Jesus as the word of God. Also you both have failed to answer whether Jesus is a cherub or perhaps he is seraph? And your idiocy also fails to account for the fact that correlation doesn't mean causation!!! And once again you are committing the fallacy of accidents 🤣🤣🤣 |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:10pm On Feb 17, 2025 |
Gabrielshow24:One of the foremost angels! |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 3:13pm On Feb 17, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:I don't think you know English at all🤔 What's the meaning of "one of"? 🥲 |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:20pm On Feb 17, 2025 |
Gabrielshow24:Jesus/Michael is (one of) the foremost angels in heaven that's why God's word used the same figurative word for him and his brothers: When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Job 38:7 Angels or sons of God are the morning stars! I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. Revelations 22:16 Jesus/Michael is the bright morning star! |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 3:22pm On Feb 17, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:Do you think this is a defense? Or you didn't read to get what I implied by emphasizing on "one of"? |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 3:23pm On Feb 17, 2025 |
Even if I were to allude to this your shambolic point what is your definition of "foremost"? |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:24pm On Feb 17, 2025 |
Gabrielshow24:First set! |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 3:30pm On Feb 17, 2025 |
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