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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 7:34pm On Feb 18, 2025
IjeBos:
Why do you come to a discussion board and write the same misleading thing over and over?
Do you think it makes you sound smart?
Do you think it is a winning argument?
Or are you getting paid for how many times you write it?

I always assumed the goal of a place like this was to have honest discussions that elucidate understanding.
Repeatedly writing something that you know is misleading at best doesn't do that.

Only Congress can cut spending or gut programs. As when Congress passes a bill and it is signed by the President it is law.
For Democrats to cut Defense spending, they not only have to pass a new law eliminating the program (which is tough without a Filibuster proof Senate), it would also have to be signed into law by a President.
So the Democrats would have to control the House, the Senate and the White House. And they would have to control the Senate by 60 votes.

Everyone of your posts is some form of trolling.
Not sure why you invest energy writing them.
Stupid lies. Trump is winning cases based on this matter. Check your head
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico:
bemeruca:
Stupid lies. Trump is winning cases based on this matter. Check your head
Shut up . You don't live in America. smiley smiley
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 7:39pm On Feb 18, 2025
descarado:
So because they paid taxes, countries should open doors for them?
Haba.

Undocumented immigrants are also paying tax in Nigeria.
I didn’t say countries should open their doors to illegal immigration. I’m personally against illegal immigration and I wouldn’t advise anyone to go that route.

But if you are stunned by the huge figure that is spent on them, I felt it was only proper for you to be aware of the huge figures they contribute as well.

For example they pay into social security that legal citizens retire on and they’ll never be eligible to collect. In fact our govt borrows money from that pot to fund projects when they claim the govt is too broke. So financially, they are a net positive.

I’m against illegal immigration for other reasons outside of whatever money they are supposedly costing us.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 7:43pm On Feb 18, 2025
basilico:
Who didn't know that, maybe you. He is recommending actions not issuing any orders. Do you live in America.
He recommends DHS to fire , then Noem fires. Rocket science
Oh really you knew all along that Elon wasn’t an employee of DOGE?
So what was this?
"I am pleased to announce that the Great Elon Musk, working in conjunction with American Patriot Vivek Ramaswamy, will lead the Department of Government Efficiency," Trump said in December 2024. Since then, and following Ramaswamy's departure from DOGE, he has routinely referred to Musk its leader.
was he just moonlighting around the department? And the president was just tossing his name around for fun.

You people are capable of incredible goals shifting and lying capacity. If that were an Olympic sport, all of you would be household names.

Mentally unhinged my gosh🥴🥴
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Bossly: 7:48pm On Feb 18, 2025
You go explain taya u neva even start 😂🤣
Gringolandia's final collapse will be epic.
Uncle Sam na scam

Obrigardo:
What a bunch of fools.
Now humor me. Let Nazi elon and his deranged minions take all these to a grand jury.

Do it now. Convene a grand jury, you stupid piece of shit. But nahhh, y'all are just noise makers muddying the waters.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Android17: 7:50pm On Feb 18, 2025
basilico:
Can that inflation rise be countered by a massive drop on federal spending?
Assuming illegals stop harvesting and thousands of USAID orphans are fired,that would imply a lot of people seeking jobs will increase, be it farm jobs or if they learn to code.
Did Biden not get his Inspector Generals to obliterate 100-140m Chickens shortly before Trump's Inauguration?

If you kill Chickens (for a fictitious bird flu), that has already affected the supply chain of eggs and the cascading effect will lead to more expensive eggs.

You have to be profoundly dishonest (not You obviously), to skip the part of the cause and hop on the effect. But the D in Denialism is for Democrats.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 7:51pm On Feb 18, 2025
Obrigardo:
What a bunch of fools.
Now humor me. Let Nazi elon and his deranged minions take all these to a grand jury.

Do it now. Convene a grand jury, you stupid piece of shit. But nahhh, y'all are just noise makers muddying the waters.
They can’t. Because they and those who believe them are dumb. Ask them if there’s one qualified forensic accountant on their team.


Any expense their brain doesn’t understand is a waste. Then after spreading the lie, they come back to say they made a mistake and we should expect lies from them (Elons words).

Yet this resident Malu is still echoing them like they’re true.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 7:56pm On Feb 18, 2025
Android17:
Did Biden not get his Inspector Generals to obliterate 100-140m Chickens shortly before Trump's Inauguration?

If you kill Chickens (for a fictitious bird flu), that has already affected the supply chain of eggs and the cascading effect will lead to more expensive eggs.

You have to be profoundly dishonest (not You obviously), to skip the part of the cause and hop on the effect. But the D in Denialism is for Democrats.
We are on the same page.
Democrats are the modern day prophets. They can read Trump's mind and foretell the days of gloom and doom ahead.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by descarado: 8:00pm On Feb 18, 2025
cococandy:
I didn’t say countries should open their doors to illegal immigration. I’m personally against illegal immigration and I wouldn’t advise anyone to go that route.

But if you are stunned by the huge figure that is spent on them, I felt it was only proper for you to be aware of the huge figures they contribute as well.

For example they pay into social security that legal citizens retire on and they’ll never be eligible to collect. In fact our govt borrows money from that pot to fund projects when they claim the govt is too broke. So financially, they are a net positive.

I’m against illegal immigration for other reasons outside of whatever money they are supposedly costing us.
In Nigeria, we have problem with fake drugs.
Can we say because Nigerian customs make so much money from import duties and all the chains involved, we should encourage fake drug importation?

It is a menace in our society irrespective of how much the fed make every year.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Android17: 8:01pm On Feb 18, 2025
bemeruca:
Stupid lies. Trump is winning cases based on this matter. Check your head
You people let his excesses go unchecked for a while so he started believing his own hype.

- Congress can only gut a program that was congressionally created.
- Congress can only appropriate funds to a program that was created by congressional consensus.
- Even when Congress appropriates funds to a program, the execution of the funds rests solely on the Federal govt headed by POTUS.
- Congressional appropriation does not bind the executive to irrevocably spend those funds. In other words, because Congress appropriated $5 bln for X Y Z program doesn't mean the executive must spend $5 bln. It just means the executive cannot go beyond $5 bln without requiring Congressional consensus.

The guy just parrots brainless talking points without vetting them.

Imagine thinking USAID for e.g (established by an EXECUTIVE order) requires Congress to be defunded.

EXECUTIVE order anyone? It means the order will be implemented by the executive arm of govt.

Some people should read a book. Sheesh.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Android17: 8:01pm On Feb 18, 2025
basilico:
We are on the same page.
Democrats are the modern day prophets. They can read Trump's mind and foretell the days of gloom and doom ahead.
Of course Bruh. I was adding to your point.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Android17: 8:04pm On Feb 18, 2025
descarado:
In Nigeria, we have problem with fake drugs.
Can we say because Nigerian customs make so much money from import duties and all the chains involved, we should encourage fake drug importation?

It is a menace in our society irrespective of how much the fed make every year.
Who runs a business here and will sit casually when you are told your business cannot account for $1000? Just $1000 and these people will murder someone.

But $50 bln/yr is what they want you to sneeze at. Tax player's money oh. Money I'd have gone to jail for, for not remitting to the govt. That's what they tell me not to care about.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by grandstar(m): 8:06pm On Feb 18, 2025
basilico:
Can that inflation rise be countered by a massive drop on federal spending?
Assuming illegals stop harvesting and thousands of USAID orphans are fired,that would imply a lot of people seeking jobs will increase, be it farm jobs or if they learn to code.
Inflation can't be countered by a drop is spending.

Inflation is rising due to labor scarcity on the farms which has led to reduced food supply, forcing buyers to pay more.

The imposition of import tariffs on goods simply means consumers will pay more for goods as the duties paid on those goods would be passed on to the consumers.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 8:08pm On Feb 18, 2025
descarado:
In Nigeria, we have problem with fake drugs.
Can we say because Nigerian customs make so much money from import duties and all the chains involved, we should encourage fake drug importation?

It is a menace in our society irrespective of how much the fed make every year.
Again I didn’t say we should encourage illegal immigration. not sure the reason for that analogy.

I’m simply pointing out that your post about how much money they cost is a none reason. If they’re giving way money than they cost, then they are not costing money when the books are balanced. So remove the cost from the reason why you are mad about them because that’s a non reason.

Now if we want to talk about the possibility of an illegal immigrants being a runaway terrorist evading law from another country, then we could be on the same page. Just don’t say I said what I didn’t say.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by grandstar(m): 8:18pm On Feb 18, 2025
Android17:
Did Biden not get his Inspector Generals to obliterate 100-140m Chickens shortly before Trump's Inauguration?

If you kill Chickens (for a fictitious bird flu), that has already affected the supply chain of eggs and the cascading effect will lead to more expensive eggs.

You have to be profoundly dishonest (not You obviously), to skip the part of the cause and hop on the effect. But the D in Denialism is for Democrats.
This isn't the first time the US has had a bird flu epidemic and millions of birds exterminated.

42% of farm labour in the US are illegals. Many or them are skipping work, which has led to crops not being harvested.

The poultry industry is an intensive user of illegals.
Many arent showing up to take care of the hens. This will definitely affect supply of eggs

If Trump is really serious, why not set up a national plan to resolve the egg crisis? He isn't that smart.

For now, he can blame Biden but by July, his incompetence would be too obvious.

Gradually, the world is no longer sees him as a tough guy but an idiot.

I doubt he would last two years.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 8:21pm On Feb 18, 2025
Android17:
Who runs a business here and will sit casually when you are told your business cannot account for $1000? Just $1000 and these people will murder someone.

But $50 bln/yr is what they want you to sneeze at. Tax player's money oh. Money I'd have gone to jail for, for not remitting to the govt. That's what they tell me not to care about.
Which is why they are not real people but programmed bots. How many people will they tell that your money is being stolen and the response will be who authorized you to tell me?

Like Hey Mr Z, I see robbers stealing from your house and your response would be "Who authorized you to inform me"
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 8:27pm On Feb 18, 2025
grandstar:
Inflation can't be countered by a drop is spending.

Inflation is rising due to labor scarcity on the farms which has led to reduced food supply, forcing buyers to pay more.

The imposition of import tariffs on goods simply means consumers will pay more for goods as the duties paid on those goods would be passed on to the consumers.
Okay I'll take your position as the gospel truth. Now me knows govt spending recklessly has no effect on inflation, farm labor shortage is the key driver. I'm now wiser
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 8:33pm On Feb 18, 2025
cococandy:
Oh really you knew all along that Elon wasn’t an employee of DOGE?
So what was this?
was he just moonlighting around the department? And the president was just tossing his name around for fun.

You people are capable of incredible goals shifting and lying capacity. If that were an Olympic sport, all of you would be household names.

Mentally unhinged my gosh🥴🥴
Doesn't matter , he is not the one doing the firing and contract cancellation. His team has the required skills to ferret out where your tax dollars are being diverted to, you should thank him and kiss the ground he is walking on
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by descarado: 8:52pm On Feb 18, 2025
cococandy:
Again I didn’t say we should encourage illegal immigration. not sure the reason for that analogy.

I’m simply pointing out that your post about how much money they cost is a none reason. If they’re giving way money than they cost, then they are not costing money when the books are balanced. So remove the cost from the reason why you are mad about them because that’s a non reason.

Now if we want to talk about the possibility of an illegal immigrants being a runaway terrorist evading law from another country, then we could be on the same page. Just don’t say I said what I didn’t say.
Then what is the argument about?
I posted a screen shot of how much cal spend on illegals and you showed me breakdown of how much they contribute inamerican economy. I gave an example with nigeria, you typed you dont support illegal,reiterated again you dont support it when i gave another example. What again are we arguing about? Must we argue about it or just the normal argument of we versus them that goes on here?


In uk, a riot broke out last year. Accumulation of how uk govt spend millions housing some refugees in fancy hotels. No country love to be overrun by these people even if they are the greatest contributer of their economy.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by descarado:
Android17:
Who runs a business here and will sit casually when you are told your business cannot account for $1000? Just $1000 and these people will murder someone.

But $50 bln/yr is what they want you to sneeze at. Tax player's money oh. Money I'd have gone to jail for, for not remitting to the govt. That's what they tell me not to care about.
I can understand you.
I work my ass off here with the crazy tax while some refugees from countries they displaced by creating wars are enjoying in fancy hotels.
Life is never fair.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Android17: 8:55pm On Feb 18, 2025
grandstar:
This isn't the first time the US has had a bird flu epidemic and millions of birds exterminated.

42% of farm labour in the US are illegals. Many or them are skipping work, which has led to crops not being harvested.

The poultry industry is an intensive user of illegals.
Many arent showing up to take care of the hens. This will definitely affect supply of eggs

If Trump is really serious, why not set up a national plan to resolve the egg crisis? He isn't that smart.

For now, he can blame Biden but by July, his incompetence would be too obvious.

Gradually, the world is no longer sees him as a tough guy but an idiot.

I doubt he would last two years.
Just so we are clear, if Bird flu and bird extermination will lead to egg shortages and rising prices, why is Trump's name brought into this?

What will the national plan do about the current situation?

Which factor contributes more to product pricing in this regard? Chickens vs Illegals?

Why is the timeline July and not say 6-9 months that it takes new Hatchlings to grow into Hens that can lay eggs?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Android17: 8:57pm On Feb 18, 2025
basilico:
Okay I'll take your position as the gospel truth. Now me knows govt spending recklessly has no effect on inflation, farm labor shortage is the key driver. I'm now wiser
Imagine the type of gaslighting required to tell someone labor shortage rather than govt spending is responsible for inflation.

What is it about hating Trump that makes fools out of otherwise intelligent people?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Android17: 8:59pm On Feb 18, 2025
raumdeuter:
Which is why they are not real people but programmed bots. How many people will they tell that your money is being stolen and the response will be who authorized you to tell me?

Like Hey Mr Z, I see robbers stealing from your house and your response would be "Who authorized you to inform me"

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 9:24pm On Feb 18, 2025
Good discussion about USAID and what DOGE did.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDOJ0y99mr4
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 9:25pm On Feb 18, 2025


Can someone tell us who’s running DOGE if Elon is not an employee of and is not the head of it?

While you’re at it, explain to us why he’s giving press conferences on behalf of doge from the White House. Find a lie or gaslight tactic Chop chop
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 9:31pm On Feb 18, 2025
Android17:
Imagine the type of gaslighting required to tell someone labor shortage rather than govt spending is responsible for inflation.

What is it about hating Trump that makes fools out of otherwise intelligent people?
Everything must be blamed on Trump policies, whether it's the slightest reason his name must be sullied.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 9:36pm On Feb 18, 2025
cococandy:


Can someone tell us who’s running DOGE if Elon is not an employee of and is not the head of it?

While you’re at it, explain to us why he’s giving press conferences on behalf of doge from the White House. Find a lie or gaslight tactic Chop chop
DOGE is playing an advisory . Elon is not being paid, initially he tweeted he needed volunteers with a high IQ and skills before the inaugration.
But DOGE is a fully established body with it's own staff and mandated to look into govt IT systems . It's just USDS rebranded and repurposed to catch and prevent waste.
That's my understanding,.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 9:38pm On Feb 18, 2025
basilico:
DOGE is playing an advisory . Elon is not being paid, initially he tweeted he needed volunteers with a high IQ and skills before the inaugration.
But DOGE is a fully established body with it's own staff and mandated to look into govt IT systems . It's just USDS rebranded and repurposed to catch and prevent waste.
That's my understanding,.
So Elon has nothing to do with it?

This is another one of those “his words don’t really mean what he’s saying except when it’s convenient for us” situations, isn’t it?

How do you people sleep at night? 🤣
I am pleased to announce that the Great Elon Musk, working in conjunction with American Patriot Vivek Ramaswamy, will lead the Department of Government Efficiency," Trump said in December 2024. Since then, and following Ramaswamy's departure from DOGE, he has routinely referred to Musk its leader.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 9:39pm On Feb 18, 2025
Ukraine deserves a just peace, not one brokered to serve a convicted criminals peace prize quest and a war criminal’s imperialist ambitions.

The Analyst


https://themilitaryanalyst.com/2025/02/17/ukraine-a-better-position-than-russia/
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 10:24pm On Feb 18, 2025
basilico:
Everything must be blamed on Trump policies, whether it's the slightest reason his name must be sullied.
This really isn't complex.
There's less labor so companies are forced to pay more to compete for that labor.
They now have an increase in costs.
They will choose to pass on the increase in costs to the consumer by raising prices.
Increased prices is what inflation is.

But I assume your Masters in all things Bullshit knows better.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by SpaceX: 10:58pm On Feb 18, 2025
grandstar:
This isn't the first time the US has had a bird flu epidemic and millions of birds exterminated.

42% of farm labour in the US are illegals. Many or them are skipping work, which has led to crops not being harvested.

The poultry industry is an intensive user of illegals.
Many arent showing up to take care of the hens. This will definitely affect supply of eggs
So you're in support of slavery, people being underpaid is the new cool? huh
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by SpaceX: 11:14pm On Feb 18, 2025
Question from a MAGAnified concern citizen:
1) What's the prize on national security?

Answer from a wailer:
Economy contribution from illegal Aliens is far more important than national security.
huh huh


I'm cruising on wailers tears, what a peaceful ride.
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