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EmperorIsaac:
Of course...this present one and all its abominations shall be rolled up with fire.

sonmvayina:
By who and how?

Westerhoffe:
Truly, with what I heard and experienced today, whoever says again that this present earth is the new earth GOD spoke of in Isaiah 65:17, Isaiah 66:22, Revelation 21:1,2, that person is a liar, a deceiver, a mislead, an agent of darkness, and a satanic agent.

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
— Isaiah 65:17 (KJV)

Isaiah 66 (KJV)
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²² For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
²³ And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Revelation 21 (KJV)
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¹ And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
² And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

GOD had already created the new heavens and new earth.

Do not let anyone deceive you the new earth is this present earth of sand and dust and seas.
The truth of GOD'S Word and His revelations are too glorious.

Accept the LORD JESUS CHRIST as your Saviour today.
Believe in Him and be worthy of Him.

Amen.

paxonel:
New heaven and new earth refers to the Christian faith according to the literal understanding of those scriptures.

So, where is the Christian faith practiced?
It is on this earth ofcourse, it is not practiced in space.
.
This earth will certainly remain forever with people practicing the Christian faith forever without end.

Over 2000 years has counted already

MaxInDHouse:
Heavens!
Spiritual meaning: where you look up to for help just as subjects are looking up to their rulers for policies that will benefit all.
Earth!
Spiritual meaning: where rain from the Heavens falls to saturate the ground for the production of food and other things needed for life.

So the old heavens means the present human governments making life unbearable for people {Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9} God never create man to rule over his fellow human because no human can direct his own steps {Jeremiah 10:23} so can such he successfully direct the step of millions with different mindsets?
NO!

The old earth are wicked people who are complaining bitterly about their rulers but at the same time they won't support the policies set by their rulers for things to work out as those ones have planned and if by chance they are also given the chance to become rulers over their people they will do worse than those who ruled them in the past. Isaiah 57:20

In Paradise both will not be part of God's new order because Jesus (the designated King of God's Kingdom) will rule over 144,000 anointed Christians who in turn will rule over their people they are the New Heavens while the New Earth refers to a prepared organized people who have come out of all the nations to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

So while the New Heavens (rulers taught by Christ) are playing their part in making the earth a haven their obedient subjects too will be working together with them to give God all the glory as they obediently support their rulers for a paradisic planet earth but what of rebellious people (turbulent SEA) who often makes things difficult for their rulers? Isaiah 57:20
They would have been exterminated all of them! Revelations 21:1 compare to Luke 19:27

Westerhoffe:
Well crafted lies.

Westerhoffe:
[b]Deceptive and misleading.

Walk with GOD!

I repeat, walk with GOD in the Spirit and in Truth and He will show you great and mighty things you do not know.

This is why you JWs will always remain in the darkness far away from the truth.

GOD revealed a deep mystery of the new heaven and the new, with the extreme radiance of the glory

in it! And here you are claiming this sandy world to be the new earth.

Please, don't mention me again.[/b]

Westerhoffe:
“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
— 2 Peter 3:13 (KJV)

2 Peter 3 (KJV)
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¹⁰ But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

…
¹² Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

“Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.”
— Isaiah 13:13 (KJV)

“And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.”
— Revelation 20:11 (KJV)

paxonel:
why?
acquiring knowledge is not about walking with God, it's about studying.

See, you can walk with God for all you care, but if you are ignorant, you are ignorant.
I'm not JW.
I"m telling you that without Faith it is impossible to please God.
And that Adam and Eve sinned and lost eternal life, but Jesus Christ has restored back that eternal life to as many who have Faith in him.

This is not what will happen in the future, this is what has already happened
which radiance of Glory?

If you don't understand your bible, humble yourself and learn and stop saying what you don't know.

Jesus Christ has resurrected, that is the radiance of Glory you need.
Just as Christ resurrected, you too will resurrect into Glory the day you die.
That is the radiance of Glory the bible is talking about.
Not any mysterious and unrealistic fictional place away from the real earth where there is real life
and i often ask this simple question that non of you have ever gave a satisfactory explanation.

Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: AND THE KINGS OF THE EARTH DO BRING THEIR GLORY AND HONOR INTO IT

This is not what will happen in future this is what has already happened.

So, the question is, these kings of the earth, do they climb ladder from earth to heaven in order to bring their glory?

Think, before you answer the question

Please don't teach errors again.
If you don't know, it's better you keep quiet

Westerhoffe:
The quote alone shows you're an Antichrist.

I have nothing more to discuss with you.[/b]

paxonel:
you are absolutely wrong.

The quote says acquiring knowledge is not about walking with God, it's about studying.

If you fail to study your bible properly, then you are ignorant of the bible even though you are a believer and walks with God.
you don't need to discuss anything.
Just keep quiet

Because the more you talk, the more you are fooling yourself

Westerhoffe:
Truly, with what I heard and experienced today, whoever says again that this present earth is the new earth GOD spoke of in Isaiah 65:17, Isaiah 66:22, Revelation 21:1,2, that person is a liar, a deceiver, a mislead, an agent of darkness, and a satanic agent.

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
— Isaiah 65:17 (KJV)

Isaiah 66 (KJV)
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²² For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
²³ And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Revelation 21 (KJV)
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¹ And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
² And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

GOD had already created the new heavens and new earth.

Do not let anyone deceive you the new earth is this present earth of sand and dust and seas.
The truth of GOD'S Word and His revelations are too glorious.

Accept the LORD JESUS CHRIST as your Saviour today.
Believe in Him and be worthy of Him.

Amen.

EmperorIsaac:
Of course...this present one and all its abominations shall be rolled up with fire.

Westerhoffe:
Deceptive and misleading.

Walk with GOD!

I repeat, walk with GOD in the Spirit and in Truth and He will show you great and mighty things you do not know.

This is why you JWs will always remain in the darkness far away from the truth.

GOD revealed a deep mystery of the new heaven and the new, with the extreme radiance of the glory in it! And here you are claiming this sandy world to be the new earth.

Please, don't mention me again.

Westerhoffe:
[b]I am talking about spirituality here.

All that Enoch knew about GOD and the deepest mysteries, were they by studying or walking with GOD?
All that David, Samuel, Moses, Aaron, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Elijah, John (of the Revelation), the Apostles, and Paul, were they all by studying or walking with GOD?

There is a different aspect of gaining knowledge by studying,

but knowing the deepest mysteries of the heavens can not be known by studying!

Because if the person you want to learn from has never known them, how will you or them find it out?

I am not talking about the physical here.

The new heaven and the new earth are not, and never would be this current earth.

Stop antagonizing the written truth. [/b]

TheWatch24:
I feel you on this the debate about the new earth gets intense and honestly it’s kinda wild how some folks twist what scripture says, Psalm 101:7 says, “No one who practices deceit will dwell in my house; no one who speaks falsely will stand in my presence.” That verse alone shows how serious God is about truth and it’s clear He doesn’t mess around with deception, the new earth described in Isaiah 65:17, Isaiah 66:22, and Revelation 21 isn’t this broken, sin-filled world we’re living in now it’s something way beyond that something peaceful and fully restored, anyone saying otherwise isn’t just confused they’re straight-up misrepresenting God’s Word.

I get it though diving into these deep truths can feel overwhelming especially when people are pushing ideas that don’t line up with scripture, I’ve been in those moments where I felt lost or unsure about what to believe and honestly it made me want to dig deeper into prayer and scripture just to stay grounded but let’s be real staying consistent with prayer isn’t always easy life gets loud, distractions pile up and sometimes it feels like you don’t even know where to start. So I made TheWatch it’s a free web-based tool (on any device, no downloads needed), it’s all about helping you reconnect with God’s truth through guided prayer times based on biblical routines modeled after how Jesus and Paul stayed aligned with God’s purpose, God’s not letting confusion win He’s already moving to bring clarity and understanding our way, keep standing firm in His Word because His truth will always expose lies.

“The sum of Your word is truth, and every one of Your righteous rules endures forever.”
—Psalm 119:160

Praying for your wisdom and discernment 🤲❤️

TheWatch24:
I feel you on this the debate about the new earth gets intense and honestly it’s kinda wild how some folks twist what scripture says, Psalm 101:7 says, “No one who practices deceit will dwell in my house; no one who speaks falsely will stand in my presence.” That verse alone shows how serious God is about truth and it’s clear He doesn’t mess around with deception, the new earth described in Isaiah 65:17, Isaiah 66:22, and Revelation 21 isn’t this broken, sin-filled world we’re living in now it’s something way beyond that something peaceful and fully restored, anyone saying otherwise isn’t just confused they’re straight-up misrepresenting God’s Word.

I get it though diving into these deep truths can feel overwhelming especially when people are pushing ideas that don’t line up with scripture, I’ve been in those moments where I felt lost or unsure about what to believe and honestly it made me want to dig deeper into prayer and scripture just to stay grounded but let’s be real staying consistent with prayer isn’t always easy life gets loud, distractions pile up and sometimes it feels like you don’t even know where to start. So I made TheWatch it’s a free web-based tool (on any device, no downloads needed), it’s all about helping you reconnect with God’s truth through guided prayer times based on biblical routines modeled after how Jesus and Paul stayed aligned with God’s purpose, God’s not letting confusion win He’s already moving to bring clarity and understanding our way, keep standing firm in His Word because His truth will always expose lies.

“The sum of Your word is truth, and every one of Your righteous rules endures forever.”
—Psalm 119:160

Praying for your wisdom and discernment 🤲❤️

paxonel:
THE POINT OF THESE WHOLE THING IS THAT, LOVE WHAT GOD HAS CREATED.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE EARTH.
THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE EARTH.
THE PROBLEM IS HUMANS.

paxonel:
All these people you mentioned studied at some point.
Lies!

1 Corinthians 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

First of all, you must understand that if you don't study to have knowledge, you cannot make wealth enough to do charity.
And if you cannot make wealth enough to do charity, your spiritual mysteries are nothing
it's the same thing I'm saying, The teacher must know first
Anything spiritual you have to say, must have evidence rooted in the physical, or it is nothing.
you do not have any scriptural evidence for this statement.
This kind of teachings are what ancient European missionaries came to Africa to teach. Meanwhile, today they don't believe the teaching anymore in Europe.
But on the contrary,

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Luke17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
you see your problem?
Anything your pastor interprete to you in church is the written truth.
You will not find time to read this bible for yourself

Truthseeker10:
So is this your new heaven and earth in this physical universe or where is it?

paxonel:
you are absolutely wrong.

The quote says acquiring knowledge is not about walking with God, it's about studying.

If you fail to study your bible properly, then you are ignorant of the bible even though you are a believer and walks with God.
you don't need to discuss anything.
Just keep quiet

Because the more you talk, the more you are fooling yourself

Westerhoffe:
Not in this Universe.

MaxInDHouse:
Peter made it clear in that same scripture churchgoers often quote:


But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. ‭2 Peter 3:5-7 NIV‬



What happened back then is to repeat itself and it's going to be judgment and destruction of the UNGODLY.


I don't know what heaven did so that God will now burn it o but regarding the earth this are God's own promises:



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The Lord smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done. “As long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.” Genesis 8:21-22 NIV‬

He built his sanctuary like the heights, like the earth that he established forever. ‭Psalms 78:69 NIV‬

He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. ‭Psalms 104:5 NIV‬


Your faithfulness continues through all generations; you established the earth, and it endures. ‭Psalms 119:90 NIV‬


Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever. ‭Ecclesiastes 1:4 NIV‬

paxonel:
let's even look at it if the bible contradicts itself
Ecclesiastes 1:4 is saying....BUT THE EARTH ABIDED FOREVER.
And
2 Peter 3:10 is saying ....THE EARTH ALSO AND THE WORKS THAT ARE THEREIN, WILL BE BURNED
Do you consider these two scriptures contradicting themselves?

MaxInDHouse:
I still dey gbadun unah conversation so don't ask me any question for now!

paxonel:


Thank God you are not picking one to be correct over the other without critical objective analysis of the two like this mumu Westerhoffe and his religious types will do.

And what you have just done by not being biased is also not typical of you Jw, what happened?