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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 7:47am On Feb 20, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Definitely you don't know the import of that word "LAW"

For your information it was established so that two or three people may cohabit peacefully.

So if the law of your own Christ doesn't help members of your religion to live as one big PEACEFULLY family then there is no law in your so called Christ your Christ is FAKE! smiley
The Word of God will help everyone that accepts it and follows it to be at peace. All the problems we have in this world will end when everyone follows Christ.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:49am On Feb 20, 2025
tctrills:
Your argument is very unstable. You want to sell to the world your beliefs that Jesus Christ is Angel Michael and you start with leave it like that.
Why do you think you are asking me the reason for my faith?
Is it not to harmonize Bible doctrines?

So if you don't want to harmonize mine with yours then there is no reason asking me what i believe.

I never started with "leave it like that" rather i tried to see how we can harmonize Bible doctrines but you keep hiding yours so you must leave things as it is! wink
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 7:52am On Feb 20, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Why do you think you are asking me the reason for my faith?
Is it not to harmonize Bible doctrines?

So if you don't want to harmonize mine with yours then there is no reason asking me what i believe.

I never started with "leave it like that" rather i tried to see how we can harmonize Bible doctrines but you keep hiding yours so you must leave things as it is! wink
Again, you are not making sense. The bible doctrines are in harmony. Our discussion will not change that. But I can point out your errors using the bible.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:53am On Feb 20, 2025
tctrills:
The Word of God will help everyone that accepts it and follows it to be at peace. All the problems we have in this world will end when everyone follows Christ.
LIAR! cheesy

For 2,000 years Satan blindfolded millions but now we are free from his tactics {John 8:32} as true disciples of Christ nothing should stop us from having LOVE, JOY and PEACE among ourselves if truly we are WITNESSES of the Prince of Peace! Act 1:8 compare to Isaiah 9:6 smiley
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:54am On Feb 20, 2025
tctrills:
Again, you are not making sense. The bible doctrines are in harmony. Our discussion will not change that. But I can point out your errors using the bible.
Bible doctrines are in harmony but those claiming believers in the Bible are not in harmony! cheesy
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 7:55am On Feb 20, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
LIAR! cheesy

2,000 years Satan blindfolded millions but now we are free from his tactics {John 8:32} as true disciples of Christ nothing should stop us from having LOVE, JOY and PEACE among ourselves if truly we are WITNESSES of the Prince of Peace! Act 1:8 compare to Isaiah 9:6 smiley
Relate the verses you mentioned to the topic. Which of these verses say that I need to tell you my church. Stop going off point.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 7:58am On Feb 20, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Bible doctrines are in harmony but those claiming believers in the Bible are not in harmony! cheesy
Good and the solution is to go back to the bible not to go back to your organizations from where the problem came.
Are you saying that if I tell you my organization, the harmony problem will suddenly evaporate?
Oga what is your point.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:01am On Feb 20, 2025
tctrills:
Relate the verses you mentioned to the topic. Which of these verses say that I need to tell you my church. Stop going off point.
Olódo! wink

Jesus said:

You will know the truth and the truth will set you free! John 8:32

How can you be questioning my faith if i can't know yours?

Truth can only be established when both of us present how our churches apply Bible counsel that is when we can both see which one is yielding positive results. But you don't want to talk about your own church so we can't see how Bible counsel is been applied yet you feel you must continue questioning the one that's yielding positive results globally.

Ọmọ you really hate the truth o! cheesy
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:04am On Feb 20, 2025
tctrills:
Good and the solution is to go back to the bible not to go back to your organizations from where the problem came.
Are you saying that if I tell you my organization, the harmony problem will suddenly evaporate?
Oga what is your point.
Bible doctrines are in harmony so to know where the problem is we need to compare what the Bible says with what each church is PRACTICING because it's contradictions we want to resolve here not interrogating one religion when you have no practical application for what the Bible says! smiley
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 8:06am On Feb 20, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Olódo! wink

Jesus said:

You will know the truth and the truth will set you free! John 8:32

How can you be questioning my faith if i can't know yours?

Truth can only be established when both of us present how our churches apply Bible counsel that is when we can both see which one is yielding positive results. But you don't want to talk about your own church so we can't see how Bible counsel is been applied yet you feel you must continue questioning the one that's yielding positive results globally.

Ọmọ you really hate the truth o! cheesy
But you question my faith every time we discuss. You know my faith and my believes the only thing you don't know is my affiliation.

And you are wrong, no truth will ever be established if we make this a church competition.
Please explain how the truth will be established if we make this a my church is better than your debate. That will only cause more distraction which is something you guys love.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 8:10am On Feb 20, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Bible doctrines are in harmony so to know where the problem is we need to compare what the Bible says with what each church is PRACTICING because it's contradictions we want to resolve here not interrogating one religion when you have no practical application for what the Bible says! smiley
No, we need to compare what we believe to what the bible says. Thank goodness you said that the goal is not to interrogate each others religion but that's all you want to do. Instead of debating gospel teachings and doctrines, you always want this to be about church interrogation and it makes no sense. You have an entire army behind you with the same unwise goal.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:12am On Feb 20, 2025
Pharisees were quoting the scriptures just as Jesus was quoting the scriptures but what silenced the Pharisees back then?

PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS!

Their religion failed to yield positive results among the Jews so when they came questioning Jesus' authority to TEACH he was showing them how he is teaching his disciples to APPLY scriptures for BENEFITS!

In reply he said to them: “Why do you overstep the commandment of God because of your tradition? For example, God said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Let the one who speaks abusively of his father or mother be put to death.’ But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother: “Whatever I have that could benefit you is a gift dedicated to God,” he need not honor his father at all.’ So you have made the word of God invalid because of your tradition. Matthew 15:3-6

Here is a PRACTICAL APPLICATION that shows the Pharisees failed in their way of handling God's word.

But Jesus' disciples were taught to apply God's word to earn the benefits.

So if you want to question how a religion is applying Bible doctrine you must present a better way of handling things otherwise you have no reason to do so! smiley
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:13am On Feb 20, 2025
tctrills:
But you question my faith every time we discuss. You know my faith and my believes the only thing you don't know is my affiliation.
You have no faith if there is no presentation to ascertain the works of your faith! James 2:18 smiley
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:17am On Feb 20, 2025
tctrills:
No, we need to compare what we believe to what the bible says. Thank goodness you said that the goal is not to interrogate each others religion but that's all you want to do. Instead of debating gospel teachings and doctrines, you always want this to be about church interrogation and it makes no sense. You have an entire army behind you with the same unwise goal.
So if there is no interrogation then there is no need to ask why i believe Jesus is Archangel Michael.
Whatever i believe shouldn't be a matter of discussion since i believe Jesus is the son of God just as the Bible says! John 3:16

But if you have to question my beliefs then both of us must present what our churches say about further identification of who Jesus is! wink
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 8:17am On Feb 20, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
You have no faith if there is no presentation to ascertain the works of your faith! James 2:18 smiley
That verse did not say that you have no faith if you don't tell someone your church.
Your works is not your church. How do you boys interpret scripture sef.
But let me leave you with the word of God.

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Let wisdom guide us.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 8:20am On Feb 20, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
So if there is no interrogation then there is no need to ask why i believe Jesus is Archangel Michael.
Whatever i believe shouldn't be a matter of discussion since i believe Jesus is the son of God just as the Bible says! John 3:16

But if you have to question my beliefs then both of us must present what our churches say about further identification of who Jesus is! wink
I will ask but you can choose not to answer. And from now own if you are an honest person, before you reply anyone on Nairaland, you must ask the person to tell you his church.
You must apply this to everyone if you are ready honest.
Unless you are only trying to escape my questions.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:20am On Feb 20, 2025
tctrills:
That verse did not say that you have no faith if you don't tell someone your church.
How can we ascertain the works of your faith if we don't know your church and how they are applying Bible counsel there?

Why do you think Jesus wrote letters to Churches regarding their application of Bible counsel?
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:23am On Feb 20, 2025
tctrills:
I will ask but you can choose not to answer. And from now own if you are an honest person, before you reply anyone on Nairaland, you must ask the person to tell you his church.
You must apply this to everyone if you are ready honest.
Unless you are only trying to escape my questions.
I have always ask the same question if anyone wants to question my church.

So that's what everyone on this forum knows me for!

One thing is i will not ask for your church if you choose to speak only about what Jesus taught but when you mention my church and start asking questions on how we apply Bible counsel then i will ask for yours too! smiley
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 8:23am On Feb 20, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
How can we ascertain the works of your faith if we don't know your church and how they are applying Bible counsel there?

Why do you think Jesus wrote letters to Churches regarding their application of Bible counsel?
I remember that we are told to have faith in Jesus Christ. If we can ascertain the faith of Abraham without him mentioning where he worshipped on Sundays, then your question is foolish.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:25am On Feb 20, 2025
tctrills:
I remember that we are told to have faith in Jesus Christ. If we can ascertain the faith of Abraham without him mentioning where he worshipped on Sundays, then your question is foolish.
It's ok so there is no need asking further questions on what my church teaches.

Do you believe in the God of Abraham? cheesy
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 8:27am On Feb 20, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
I have always ask the same question if anyone wants to question my church.

So that's what everyone on this forum knows me for!

One thing is i will not ask for your church if you choose to speak only about what Jesus taught but when you mention my church and start asking questions on how we apply Bible counsel then i will ask for yours too! smiley
Oga, I choose to speak only about what Jesus Christ taught. But you are the one always bringing up your Church.
But from now on, we can agree, let's only debate on the word of God and no church will be brought up. I will love love that.
If we can both agree to that, it would be great.
So instead of us discussing if Angel Michael is Jesus Christ from the JW view, we would look at what the word of God says about the topic no church mentioned.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 8:29am On Feb 20, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
It's ok so there is no need asking further questions on what my church teaches.

Do you believe in the God of Abraham? cheesy
I believe in the God of Abraham. Why ask?
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 8:32am On Feb 20, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
It's ok so there is no need asking further questions on what my church teaches.

Do you believe in the God of Abraham? cheesy
Do are you prepared to return to the Angle Michael is Jesus Christ topic without us mentioning your church?
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:51am On Feb 20, 2025
tctrills:
Do are you prepared to return to the Angle Michael is Jesus Christ topic without us mentioning your church?
Whatever my church say about our own Jesus should be left within us if you can't mention the name of your own church there are thousands of churches saying different things about their own Jesus.

Do you agree Jesus is God's son?
Well i believe so if you too believe there is no need crossing boundaries from what my church teaches its our own discovery.

The Bible never say whether Jesus is or not an angel that's what we discovered! smiley
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:45pm On Feb 20, 2025
tctrills:
Oga, I choose to speak only about what Jesus Christ taught.
Go and use it to make disciples and get them baptized nah! Matthew 28:19 smiley
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 12:47pm On Feb 20, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Go and use it to make disciples and get them baptized nah! Matthew 28:19 smiley
Ok I will
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 12:51pm On Feb 20, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Whatever my church say about our own Jesus should be left within us if you can't mention the name of your own church there are thousands of churches saying different things about their own Jesus.

Do you agree Jesus is God's son?
Well i believe so if you too believe there is no need crossing boundaries from what my church teaches its our own discovery.

The Bible never say whether Jesus is or not an angel that's what we discovered! smiley
Loool
The man finally gives up.
I was not asking about your church, I was asking about you. We both promised not to bring up our churches but you have already broken the rule.

I imagine entertaining a JW church and telling them I am tctills. The better beating Dem go give me ehh. Loool. Just joking.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 12:53pm On Feb 20, 2025
tctrills:
The Word of God will help everyone that accepts it and follows it to be at peace. All the problems we have in this world will end when everyone follows Christ.
The Christ you want to follow, did he work alone?

John 9:4 & Revelation 1:1 dey look you wotowoto.
grin grin
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 12:58pm On Feb 20, 2025
tctrills:
Do are you prepared to return to the Angle Michael is Jesus Christ topic without us mentioning your church?
Trinitarians believed Jesus is archangel Michael.
Jesus is angel of the LORD Yahweh.(Screenshot evidence).

That belief system is not exclusive to JW's.
So, what's your problem?

Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 12:59pm On Feb 20, 2025
Janosky:
The Christ you want to follow, did he work alone?

John 9:4 & Revelation 1:1 dey look you wotowoto.
grin grin
No he did not. Is that the point you have been trying to make? Jesus Christ did not walk alone so what's your point?
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 1:02pm On Feb 20, 2025
Janosky:
Trinitarians believed Jesus is archangel Michael.
Jesus is angel of the LORD Yahweh.(Screenshot evidence).

That belief system is not exclusive to JW's.
So, what's your problem?
Ok, you are say that because another organization also believes the same nonsense, we are not allowed to ask questions?
Anyway, you have a point in the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses will everything be established. Even nonsense.
See your weak defence.
Mummy Chijoke join me and thief the meat so I am not a guilty. That's exactly the point you are making.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 1:05pm On Feb 20, 2025
tctrills:
No he did not. Is that the point you have been trying to make? Jesus Christ did not walk alone so what's your point?
He walked with the Group led by his God (& bearing the name of his God,Acts 15:6,14-17).
Therefore, anyone following Jesus MUST replicate the same thing, working with the Group bearing the name of the God of Jesus Christ.

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