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| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 9:53am On Feb 24, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:Girlfriend is looking for admirers. I hope more people like you oh |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by immaculatesense(m): 9:55am On Feb 24, 2025 |
delkuf:1. That Jesus is god based on his divinity and existence and also the confirmation of Thomas in John 20:28-29 John 20:28-29 [28]“My Lord and my God!” Thomas exclaimed. [29]Then Jesus told him, “You believe because you have seen me. Blessed are those who believe without seeing me.” 2. That the Father is greater than the son (Jesus). This is also confirm by Jesus himself severally and accept that the Father is his god as clearly stated in John 14:28 and John 20:17. 3. That the son (Jesus) is subject to the Father and the Father is not subject to the son as clearly stated in 1 Corinthians 15:27-28. 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 [27]For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.” (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.) [28]Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere. I DO NOT THINK YOU DISAGREE WITH ANY OF MY THREE POINTS ABOVE. THANKS. |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:06am On Feb 24, 2025 |
Gabrielshow24:Is that post meant for you? Oh i forgot, all of you have a common enemy even though you're not friends of one another! ![]() |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:15am On Feb 24, 2025 |
immaculatesense:This is not about Jesus is Michael or JW we are now talking about what Paul and James said. James is not talking about WORKS of the law remember he while making his point he mentioned Abraham and Rahab for leaving their comfort zone to do what God asked them to do! James 2:23-24 These two examples had nothing to do with mosaic laws because they are not with Moses! |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by immaculatesense(m): 11:00am On Feb 24, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:Smile. Maxim. Let me ask you this tree questions on James and Paul and highlight each question as you answer them specifically. 1. What did Paul meant by "some (friends) from James" in Galatians 2:12.? 2. What was the viewpoint of these "friends from James" on circumcision according to same Galatians 2:12.? 3. The discussion in Acts 21:18-24. What were the friends of James and James trying to make Paul do to convince the converting Jews in relation to the Mosaic law and the Jewish customs? We have both read scriptures, I do not criticize even with my knowledge of scriptures, I try to look at why people think the way they think and also respect it as long as it does not affect the core principles of salvation. Pls answer those questions one after the other. Pls don't lump it up. Address them point by point since you are of the opinion that James was not peculiar about the law of Moses. Thanks. |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by gohf: 12:03pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
StillDtruth:ok |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by delkuf(m): 12:49pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
immaculatesense:good viewpoint. But all this your English and blabbing, is confusing your viewpoint |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by cornelboy(op): 12:53pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
tctrills:Sarcasm lol |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by Jacktheripper: 12:53pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by cornelboy(op): 12:56pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
delkuf:You get the comparison right? |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:58pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
Jacktheripper:When i earned something i don't loose it i'm not interested in whatever you think afterwards i earned that comment and i will forever make use of it so you can go back and delete it that's your own cup of coffee! ![]() |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by cornelboy(op): 1:15pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
Gabrielshow24:People interpret Jesus being one with his Father as though they are equal to each other/same person,of course they have the same nature, they both spirit being and all, but that's not what we discussing here. The oneness means something entirely different. Not about being equal or same nature but about working together in unity for same purpose. Now read John 10:30 then; Read the preceeding verses 28 and 29, see how they working together for same purpose. Good day. |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 1:22pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
cornelboy:It's ok if you feel so. But I know that if you took time to read what I sent you, your eyes will begin to be opened to the truth. I provided lots of bible passages to help you understand who Jehovah is. Read and ask questions. Ask your people then come back and let's discuss if they have any answers. I believe we can discuss from the teachings in the scriptures comparing verses and finding answers. If Jesus Christ like his Father is the Beginning and the End, The Alpha and Omega, the Savior. Don't you see that he like his Father is the one true God? That is what John was speaking about in chapter 17. It's a much stronger bond than husband and wife. The Father gave to the Son everything. He did not retain anything from him. Like his Father, Jesus Christ is the everlasting Father. |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:25pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
immaculatesense:Question 1&2 are same. James is the first brother of Jesus {Matthew 13:55}Jesus told him many things which this young man found so difficult to believe not until Jesus appeared to him after his resurrection {1Corinthians 15:7} to prove that truly he is the Christ. Now as a Jew those with James were former Judaists who converted to Christianity so they now found it difficult to believe that the law of circumcision doesn't apply anymore in Christianity that doesn't mean it's James who sent them it's evident that they may have been arguing with James over the matter before sending words to the Apostles and Older men in Jerusalem {Act 15:1-2} and after the Governing Body (Apostle and Older men) from Jerusalem sent a letter to all Christians Judas and Silas took the message to them everyone submitted to the decision of the Governing Body! Act 15:30-33 Question 3 There was a rumour that Paul is telling the Jews not to circumcise their children again which is a lie, what the Apostles are saying is that circumcision is not a compulsion for anyone who embrace the faith in Christ so if someone is a Jew that has been their custom from time immemorial but such mustn't be forced on a gentile who never had anything to do with Judaism but now ready to become a Christian through faith in Jesus Christ. Paul himself wrote in his letter: To the Jews I became as a Jew in order to gain Jews; to those under law I became as under law, though I myself am not under law, in order to gain those under law. To those without law I became as without law, although I am not without law toward God but under law toward Christ, in order to gain those without law. To the weak I became weak, in order to gain the weak. I have become all things to people of all sorts, so that I might by all possible means save some. But I do all things for the sake of the good news, in order to share it with others. 1 Corinthians 9:20-23 So they are all on the same page! |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by Gabrielshow24: 1:25pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
cornelboy:Did I talk about identity? 🤨 what's the problem with the comprehension of JW? Your very concession makes it even more glaring that the Father and Son are one both by nature and by purpose!!! How's this hard to realize? 🤧 Was it not here I asked someone what made God God? No matter whatsoever conceptual definition you invent, Jesus will fit into it!!! So if God has open-sourced his spirit, power and word for all. What then makes him God🤨? And if we have all these things, HE has open-sourced does it equate us to God? 🤧 |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by cornelboy(op): 1:27pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:Aswear No be today i know am na |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by cornelboy(op): 1:38pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
Gabrielshow24:What does Jesus's word at John 10:30 mean What does he mean at John 17:11 mean? |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by cornelboy(op): 1:39pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
tctrills:Eyah |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by immaculatesense(m): 1:42pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
delkuf:Smile. I will take note of that. Thank. |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by Gabrielshow24: 1:48pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
cornelboy:Have you not said the answer your self?🤔 Have I not forced it out of your mouth 🤨? Why then the question repeat? 🤨 If now I clone the repo of deepseek and I am added as a contributor? Don't I have the full codebase of deepseek with me? 🤔 But doesn't wisdom dictate, I give credence to whom credence his due by referencing the owner🧐 when I use it? Doesn't the term "contributor" reflect agreement in purpose? What then are you talking about? 🙃🙃🙃🙃 |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by cornelboy(op): 1:50pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
delkuf:Little sense lol Well at least i have sense You don't seem to have any |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by cornelboy(op): 1:51pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
Gabrielshow24:If you have something else to say lemme know Be like you come here to troll |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 1:53pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
cornelboy:My job is just to teach. You can mock but that isn't a wise choice I showed you the words of Paul in Philippians 2. 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: if Christ = God, what does that make him? Ask yourself, if you truly believe the scriptures or if you will choose the words of men over the Word of God |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by Gabrielshow24: 2:00pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
cornelboy:I don't think so, Here to enlighten 🧐. At least you alluded to Jesus' equality both in purpose and nature🤤... Now, you are thinking 🤨. |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 2:02pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
cornelboy:Jesus Christ is not like any other God, he is the one true God like his Father. He is the Jehovah of the old testament. David called him his Lord. The men of old had a relationship with him. He was the God that led the children of Israel across the Red Sea. And he is the one that has asked us to be his witnesses. |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by immaculatesense(m): 2:14pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:Sir, you made series of points that I also share except: 1. In your reaction to the first two questions, you said "some from James" meant those who must have argued with James. I don't not agree. If that was the fact, Peter and Barnabas wouldn't have respected them to the level of being afraid of them. James believed and held that the Jews should continue to observe the customs which included circumcision but not the Gentiles. While Paul believed that circumcision is useless both to the Jews and the Gentiles. Remember, the agreement in Acts 15 was only to the Gentiles while the Jews maintained the status quo which I don't think really sat well with Paul seeing that Paul do not want any difference or distinction between the Jews and the Gentiles. This was show in Paul's letter to the Galatians in Galatians 3:23-29 Galatians 3:23-29 [23]Before the way of faith in Christ was available to us, we were placed under guard by the law. We were kept in protective custody, so to speak, until the way of faith was revealed. [24]Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian until Christ came; it protected us until we could be made right with God through faith. [25]And now that the way of faith has come, we no longer need the law as our guardian. [26]For you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus. [27]And all who have been united with Christ in baptism have put on Christ, like putting on new clothes. [28]There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus. James held a different view on how the law was to be practiced different from Paul's view. Even if you notice James letter, unlike Peter's and Paul's, he only sent his letter to the Jews alone across the world and not to Gentiles - James was remembered as a Judaistic Christian in his practice, a blend of Judaism and Christianity. James 1:1 [1]This letter is from James, a slave of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ.I am writing to the “twelve tribes”—Jewish believers scattered abroad.Greetings! |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by immaculatesense(m): 2:27pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
tctrills:Sir, I don't think you need to argue this any further sir. I have engaged them and I think both of you are looking at it from two different angles that can be united and that will represent the scriptures. I have given the same reply to Mr Gabriel and other person and we all agreed. This is the true position of the scriptures sir. 1. That Jesus is god based on his divinity and existence and also the confirmation of Thomas in John 20:28-29 John 20:28-29 [28]“My Lord and my God!” Thomas exclaimed. [29]Then Jesus told him, “You believe because you have seen me. Blessed are those who believe without seeing me.” 2. That the Father is greater than the son (Jesus). This is also confirm by Jesus himself severally and accept that the Father is his god as clearly stated in John 14:28 and John 20:17. 3. That the son (Jesus) is subject to the Father and the Father is not subject to the son as clearly stated in 1 Corinthians 15:27-28. 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 [27]For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.” (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.) [28]Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere. I DO NOT THINK YOU DISAGREE WITH ANY OF MY THREE POINTS ABOVE. THANKS. |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by Jacktheripper: 2:55pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:You are a worst than a slowpoke. At least some morons don't have low self-esteem. Imagine saying "earned" as if you earned an Olympic gold medal. So comments are your life achievements? You are sick and you have no one to tell you. |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:27pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
immaculatesense:Paul is very careful not to stumble any of those who have embraced Christianity so those from James doesn't necessarily mean they hold the same opinion with James otherwise these ones knowing fully well that James is Jesus' half brother don't need confirmation from anyone else if James had agreed with them. Surely they came looking for contrary opinion to know if James was wrong! ![]() |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:30pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
Jacktheripper:I never begged you to quote me do i? So i EARNED that comment from you but if you're now ashamed of your previous comment you can go back and delete it as for me i will hold on to what i EARNED! ![]() |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 3:43pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
immaculatesense:I believe you are mostly correct. But when you say that the Son will but himself under God's authority, it seems like you are saying that the Son is not God. I prefer you say that the Son will put himself under the Father's authority. My point has been that the Son is not just another God, he like the Father is the one true God. I guess that's where I different with most. |
| Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by immaculatesense(m): 3:44pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:I think we have both made our points and showed our perspectives. Thanks for the honor. You are respected sir. |
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