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TheDivineSpark:
What I am about to share is a fun fact!

God does not punish anybody. You only reap what you sow. Nothing more Nothing less. Some will get it faster while others while get it at a later time. But it is certain that there is a planting time and harvest time.

The fable of eternal death is just what it is... A fable.

Wrong. You saw Him punish, Adam (male and female). You saw Him punish Cain, Onan and his brother, Egypt, the Amelekites, the children of Israel.

Reaping what you sow is a normal punishment God has Set but above that comes His own specific punishment

StillDtruth:
Wrong. You saw Him punish, Adam (male and female). You saw Him punish Cain, Onan and his brother, Egypt, the Amelekites, the children of Israel.

Reaping what you sow is a normal punishment God has Set but above that comes His own specific punishment

What did babies born with cancer and body deformities sowed?

Nnamdipapa:
My people, let us discuss this scenario.

Let's assume your just got married and you have the power to see the future, now, looking into the future, you discovered that your wife will get pregnant and give birth to the biggest armed robber in Nigeria who will end up killing thousands of people, will you still go ahead and have that child assuming you have the power to prevent the pregnancy of that particular child?

I need your honest answer to this question.

The story in the Bible is a myth. That's why you have such head-scratching plot

MaxInDHouse:
All powerful YES but all-knowing and all-present is not biblical!

You have brought this your illiteracy to this thread abi
What did yhwh mean when he says he knows all the hair in our body?
Also its clearly written that yhwh is all powerful and all present. I have shown you numerous Bible passages but the trash your cult brainwashed you with is still disturbing u

Nnamdipapa:
Interesting?

In my reading of the Bible, I’ve noticed several passages that speak clearly about God’s omnipresence and all-knowing nature. For example, Psalm 139. In verses 1–6, the psalmist tells me, “O Lord, you have searched me and known me,” which I take to mean how completely God understands the humans.
Then, in verses 7–12, It says that no matter where I go—even if I were to soar to the heavens or delve into the depths of the earth—God’s presence is always there connoting Omnipresent.

Also, in Jeremiah 23:24, where God poses the question, “Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him?” This drives home the that nothing is hidden from His sight. Similarly, Proverbs 15:3 tells me that “The eyes of the LORD are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good,” further affirming His complete and constant awareness.

Together, these passages reinforce my conclusion that God is everywhere at once and possesses infinite knowledge about all things.

Ignore the dolt. He doesn't understand English. I have shown him even more verses showing that yhwh is all powerful, all present and all knowing but he prefers trash

MaxInDHouse:
Thanks for the scriptural backing!

God only pay attention to those who are doing things pleasing to Him not all kinds of people so the Psalmist is talking about how God fixed His mind on those having faith in Him but when it comes to people who don't believe in God it's angels that are reporting to God what such ones are doing {Genesis 18:20-21} and as for evildoers God doesn't like looking at what they are doing because His eyes are too pure! Habakkuk 1:13

So He is not everywhere as religion says neither does He knows what is happening everywhere.

Clearly you don't read your Bible. Yhwh was looking at the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah and said they are evil before him. Several passages he had to witness evil plenty

Nnamdipapa:
If you say " God doesn't like looking at what they are doing because His eyes are too pure!" does it mean God is not aware and have no knowlege of such people?

Your Bible interpretation of that passage is debatable and subject to your personal interpretations. I can confidently say over 99% of Pentecostal Christians disagreeing with you.

He's a Jehovah Weakness, buncha ignorant dolts that are a waste of sperm

StillDtruth:
Even you can see that which is why you are using this myopic example.

But even after you knew this was one of the outcomes, you still married your wife and birthed your children hoping that they would be Mobil workers, bankers and all the other lawful things.

How can you say a whole god is hoping that his creatures would turn out right when he
KNEW they'd turn out evil? Do you read your trash before clicking submit?

TheDivineSpark:
The story of Job was a deeply spiritual one. GOD was about to elevate him so he had to be purified by extreme suffering and loss. Unknown to many, It was an Initiation experience.

So yhwh had to 'purify' him by making him have excruciating pains, unaliving his family? Really?
Btw, why is an all knowing god betting with the devil?

Truthseeker10:
So How do you know that Job was not paying his Karmic debt? How do we differentiate a karmic debt suffering?

Is Karmic debt in the Bible?

TheDivineSpark:
At a stage you will get tired of darkness and search for the light.

You can experience the light and sound of GOD by singing HU.

Cheers.

Why do you people start saying this rubbish when you have been caught out? Oga, respond to the queries leveled against your bible and stop mouthing rubbish

jaephoenix:
Is Karmic debt in the Bible?

I should ask you.
Did I say it was?

Nnamdipapa:
Reading the Bible with an open mind and observing different inconsistencies and things that don't make sense.

Observing my surroundings, the pastors, so called Christians.

Observing Nigeria as a country, all the pastors, Imams, churches and prayers nothing happening.

Covid 19 and no pastor trying to heal a covid victim.

My friend, After 20 years in Deeper Life, I can tell you the biggest scam on earth is religion, especially the Abrahamic variety.

It thrives on fear.

Correct. Fear then ignorance, poverty and stupidity added to that mix, then boom, religion thrives

Truthseeker10:
I should ask you.
Did I say it was?

Okay so u r using stuff that isn't in the bible to explain the Bible? Awesome

jaephoenix:
Okay so u r using stuff that isn't in the bible to explain the Bible? Awesome

Oga go and sleep.

Nnamdipapa:
Reading the Bible with an open mind and observing different inconsistencies and things that don't make sense.

Observing my surroundings, the pastors, so called Christians.

Observing Nigeria as a country, all the pastors, Imams, churches and prayers nothing happening.

Covid 19 and no pastor trying to heal a covid victim.

My friend, After 20 years in Deeper Life, I can tell you the biggest scam on earth is religion, especially the Abrahamic variety.

It thrives on fear.

Bro, what are you talking about?
Oyedepo been cure 3 COVID patients. 😌

Nnamdipapa:
Reading the Bible with an open mind and observing different inconsistencies and things that don't make sense.

Observing my surroundings, the pastors, so called Christians.

Observing Nigeria as a country, all the pastors, Imams, churches and prayers nothing happening.

Covid 19 and no pastor trying to heal a covid victim.
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My friend, After 20 years in Deeper Life, I can tell you the biggest scam on earth is religion, especially the Abrahamic variety.

It thrives on fear.

Fair enough, and i agree it thrives on fear and discourages critical thinking as well which is why it relies on faith, the least and worst way to demonstrate truth.

I have read comments from all sides. These are strong issues with strong points from all sides. All sides are correct and backed the points up with scriptural texts.

MY TAKE
These are the issues and these reasons why they are difficult.
1. Is god all powerful?
2. Is god all present?
3. Is god all knowing?

The Obvious answers to these questions are "if you call a person God or the supreme god, they he should have all these three criteria." That is the obvious answer.

But there are some questions that begs answers.
1. If God is all powerful, can't he just forgive the devil and move on or forgive everybody and move on or control everybody's (men's) minds to do all that he want and there will be no sin?
The question above shows that there are things God cannot do because he cannot contradict himself. So, one way or another, though he is all powerful, he can't just do anything.

2. If God is all present, and we see the lake of fire as either a place of eternal destruction or a place of eternal separation from God, it means the presence of God is not in the lake of fire, those people do not have the presence of God with them. That shows that if the presence of God is not in the lake of fire, then he is not everywhere literally.

3. If God is all knowing, does that mean he knows those who will be saved and those who will not? If yes, why do we preach or tell people to repent or come to Christ since whatever decision they make does not change anything since their future had been known already by God. What is the essence of freewill then. That means, if God has given everyone the freewill to choose, does that not mean that God has left men to make decisions and face the aftermath without him robotting them?

MY SUBMISSION
1. It is true that our God can be present wherever he chooses, but he also have that power to restrict himself from being in where he chooses not to. We can't deny him if that power or choice to choose. Can we?

2. God is all powerful, but he can't be tempted to do evil or act unjustly. His powers though all powerful but it is restricted to his nature as a just and holy good to ONLY do good and justice.

3. It is true that God is all knowing ONLY TO WHAT HE CHOOSES TO KNOW. He alone can restrict himself from knowing what he chooses not to know or intentionally forget those he chooses to forget. From scriptures we know that something catches God by surprise because he chooses OF HIS OWN ACCORD not to interfere with somethings.

RESOLUTION
1. God is all powerful BUT HIS POWER IS RESTRICTED TO DOING GOOD AND JUST.
2. God is all knowing BUT HIS KNOWLEDGE IS RESTRICTED TO HIS CHOICE AND WILL.
3. God is all present BUT HIS PRESENCE IS RESTRICTED TO HIS OWN CHOICE AND WILL.

Thanks.

Why is it that some atheists can't live by their own words?

jaephoenix:
You have brought this your illiteracy to this thread abi
What did yhwh mean when he says he knows all the hair in our body?
Also its clearly written that yhwh is all powerful and all present. I have shown you numerous Bible passages but the trash your cult brainwashed you with is still disturbing u

jaephoenix:
Clearly you don't read your Bible. Yhwh was looking at the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah and said they are evil before him. Several passages he had to witness evil plenty

jaephoenix:
Bro, maybe I'll stop debating with you. You don't answer questions, but instead deflect it to answer a different question.

Everyday247:
Bro, what are you talking about?
Oyedepo been cure 3 COVID patients. 😌

Lies. Show us the video

immaculatesense:
I have read comments from all sides. These are strong issues with strong points from all sides. All sides are correct and backed the points up with scriptural texts.

MY TAKE
These are the issues and these reasons why they are difficult.
1. Is god all powerful?
2. Is god all present?
3. Is god all knowing?

The Obvious answers to these questions are "if you call a person God or the supreme god, they he should have all these three criteria." That is the obvious answer.

But there are some questions that begs answers.
1. If God is all powerful, can't he just forgive the devil and move on or forgive everybody and move on or control everybody's (men's) minds to do all that he want and there will be no sin?
The question above shows that there are things God cannot do because he cannot contradict himself. So, one way or another, though he is all powerful, he can't just do anything.

2. If God is all present, and we see the lake of fire as either a place of eternal destruction or a place of eternal separation from God, it means the presence of God is not in the lake of fire, those people do not have the presence of God with them. That shows that if the presence of God is not in the lake of fire, then he is not everywhere literally.

3. If God is all knowing, does that mean he knows those who will be saved and those who will not? If yes, why do we preach or tell people to repent or come to Christ since whatever decision they make does not change anything since their future had been known already by God. What is the essence of freewill then. That means, if God has given everyone the freewill to choose, does that not mean that God has left men to make decisions and face the aftermath without him robotting them?

MY SUBMISSION
1. It is true that our God can be present wherever he chooses, but he also have that power to restrict himself from being in where he chooses not to. We can't deny him if that power or choice to choose. Can we?

2. God is all powerful, but he can't be tempted to do evil or act unjustly. His powers though all powerful but it is restricted to his nature as a just and holy good to ONLY do good and justice.

3. It is true that God is all knowing ONLY TO WHAT HE CHOOSES TO KNOW. He alone can restrict himself from knowing what he chooses not to know or intentionally forget those he chooses to forget. From scriptures we know that something catches God by surprise because he chooses OF HIS OWN ACCORD not to interfere with somethings.

RESOLUTION
1. God is all powerful BUT HIS POWER IS RESTRICTED TO DOING GOOD AND JUST.
2. God is all knowing BUT HIS KNOWLEDGE IS RESTRICTED TO HIS CHOICE AND WILL.
3. God is all present BUT HIS PRESENCE IS RESTRICTED TO HIS OWN CHOICE AND WILL.

Thanks.

Any evidence of this god?

jaephoenix:
Any evidence of this god?

Okay. Let's give our self a litmus test sir.
If you can answer this question convincingly I will agree with you that God do not exist sir.

WHICH ONE CAME FIRST, THE EGG OR THE HEN?

Thanks.

jaephoenix:
Lies. Show us the video

Mistake, it was 114 covid patients

👇
https://www.nairaland.com/5957158/church-recorded-114-coronavirus-healing#91177689

jaephoenix:
How can you say a whole god is hoping that his creatures would turn out right when he
KNEW they'd turn out evil? Do you read your trash before clicking submit?

You to "knew" all these too, did that "knewing" stop you from marrying and birthing children?

Or do you imagine that God should not have a right to have hope, painful disappointments, pleasant surprise, anger, vexation, and all the emotions we see?

If He wanted absolutely certainty is it not to do as you yourselves have done and created man to be like mannequins? instead of living robots who can do anything that is possible for them to do whether good or bad?

Nnamdipapa:
What did babies born with cancer and body deformities sowed?

Please, be reasonable. This is Off point neither do babies sow.

Maybe if your wife sowed by fvcking a dog or maybe you, fvcking one cancerous cow, that could also cause shits on your baby. We don't know what the parents have planted.

But I have noticed that it is only bad bad people who have these kind of children.

StillDtruth:
Please, be reasonable. This is Off point neither do babies sow.

Maybe if your wife sowed by fvcking a dog or maybe you, fvcking one cancerous cow, that could also cause shits on your baby. We don't know what the parents have planted.

But I have noticed that it is only bad bad people who have these kind of children.

Even if the parents are bad, should the children suffer for that? You think you are tough and smart when you curse and insult strangers online, it tells me I am discussing with a low life with a possibly negative IQ. You can lash out, scream, foam in the mouth, pour spittle on your shoes and so on. It does not make you tough.

Nnamdipapa:
✓ Now, The Christian God is all knowing, Omnipresent and Omnipotent. He is in the future and the past at the same time.
At the time he created Lucifer he knew he was going to rebel and lead people astray, cause so much pain to his creation, why was Lucifer created?
Are we going to blame Satan for being bad or blame a God who knew Lucifer was going to be bad before creation?
Or is the concept of God and Satan a fairytale?
What is your opinion to the above?

The Christian God and Satan is likely born of fairy tale or should I say falsehood given that the images created of them do not align with what is in fact promoted in Isrealite Scripture which the Christians pretend their ideas come from. You could say that the over 45,0000 different doctrines of Christianity are merely instances of ideas that literally defy that which is clearly proclaimed in that book of books written by Israelites.

Everyday247:
Mistake, it was 114 covid patients

👇
https://www.nairaland.com/5957158/church-recorded-114-coronavirus-healing#91177689

So we just accept the claim because Oyedepo said so? On what evidence do you expect me to accept such a bogus claim? Medical report of one single Covid patient before and after healing?

I refuse to accept unsubstantiated testimonies not backed by medical and empirical evidence and still maintain no Covid patient was healed until you convince me otherwise. Words of mouth are cheap.

Nnamdipapa:
Even if the parents are bad, should the children suffer for that? You think you are tough and smart when you curse and insult strangers online, it tells me I am discussing with a low life with a possibly negative IQ. You can lash out, scream, foam in the mouth, pour spittle on your shoes and so on. It does not make you tough.

Yes! That is why it is said the evil (or good) you do, lives long after you.

I am not trying to insult you. I just am using you as the example to drive home my point.

I do not insult people who have done nothing worthy of insult.

Nnamdipapa:
So we just accept the claim because Oyedepo said so? On what evidence do you expect me to accept such a bogus claim? Medical report of one single Covid patient before and after healing?

I refuse to accept unsubstantiated testimonies not backed by medical and empirical evidence and still maintain no Covid patient was healed until you convince me otherwise. Words of mouth are cheap.

You dare doubt the MAN OF GOD?! 🔪🪓⚒️🪚✂️⚔️
The pure and holy one that was called by God from such a young age to lead men?!
Mortal man, confess your sin to Oyedepo with tithe and offerings or else the God of Oyedepo will come for you! 🔥🔥🔥

Nnamdipapa:
My people, let us discuss this scenario.

Let's assume your just got married and you have the power to see the future, now, looking into the future, you discovered that your wife will get pregnant and give birth to the biggest armed robber in Nigeria who will end up killing thousands of people, will you still go ahead and have that child assuming you have the power to prevent the pregnancy of that particular child?

I need your honest answer to this question.

Why do car manufacturers make cars even when they know that people will get accidents with it and die?

jaephoenix:
Why do you people start saying this rubbish when you have been caught out? Oga, respond to the queries leveled against your bible and stop mouthing rubbish

I am not a Christian and although I recognise and acknowledge the wisdom contained in the Christian bible I do not hold it as my holy book.