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MaxInDHouse:
This is the reason why i said it is impossible for TWO of you no matter how serious you may be can agree on how to do the work Jesus assigned to his disciples!

That's your opinion. We can agree on the word of God. And the most important is not that we agree. It's that you now know because I taught you.
You can choose what to do with the knowledge.

MaxInDHouse:
If this is what you think i will leave you with Cornelboy!

No wahala,

I have studied tctrills and Max argument and I can only deduce just one misunderstanding.
1. Max do not agree with tctrills that Jesus is god in his nature and the Father has delegated ALL authority to him, making him Almighty.
2. tctrills will not agree with Max that the Father who delegated the authority to his son (Jesus) is greater than Jesus thereby making Jesus a subordinate to someone which is the Father.

The issue is BOTH OF THEM ARE CORRECT. But they didn't just know they are looking at two different points.

1. Jesus is god (all powerful) because the father has committed ALL things into his hands until the end of days. And the Father made this known. Just like Pharaoh did with Joseph during the plenty and famine period, thereby making Joseph THE LEADER OF EGYPT in Pharaoh's stead.
John 5:22
[22]In addition, the Father judges no one. Instead, he has given the Son absolute authority to judge,

2. The Father is definitely greater than his son (Jesus) and Jesus also retriated this severally.
1 Corinthians 15:27-28
[27]For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.” (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.)
[28]Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.

LET US ALL PURSUE THE PATH OF PEACE AND UNDERSTANDING.
THANKS.

immaculatesense:
The issue is BOTH OF THEM ARE CORRECT. But they didn't just know they are looking at two different points.

Another flaw!

It's either one is right while the other is wrong, this is the reason why you people have formed over 41,000 sects all claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines!

immaculatesense:
I have studied tctrills and Max argument and I can only deduce just one misunderstanding.
1. Max do not agree with tctrills that Jesus is god in his nature and the Father has delegated ALL authority to him, making him Almighty.
2. tctrills will not agree with Max that the Father who delegated the authority to his son (Jesus) is greater than Jesus thereby making Jesus a subordinate to someone which is the Father.

The issue is BOTH OF THEM ARE CORRECT. But they didn't just know they are looking at two different points.

1. Jesus is god (all powerful) because the father has committed ALL things into his hands until the end of days. And the Father made this known. Just like Pharaoh did with Joseph during the plenty and famine period, thereby making Joseph THE LEADER OF EGYPT in Pharaoh's stead.
John 5:22
[22]In addition, the Father judges no one. Instead, he has given the Son absolute authority to judge,

2. The Father is definitely greater than his son (Jesus) and Jesus also retriated this severally.
1 Corinthians 15:27-28
[27]For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.” (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.)
[28]Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.

LET US ALL PURSUE THE PATH OF PEACE AND UNDERSTANDING.
THANKS.

Wrong, I know that the Father delegated Authority to his Son. That was never my argument.
Infact, I am arguing that the Father gave all things to his Son. And that all titles of the Father belong to the Son.

immaculatesense:
I have studied tctrills and Max argument and I can only deduce just one misunderstanding.
1. Max do not agree with tctrills that Jesus is god in his nature and the Father has delegated ALL authority to him, making him Almighty.
2. tctrills will not agree with Max that the Father who delegated the authority to his son (Jesus) is greater than Jesus thereby making Jesus a subordinate to someone which is the Father.

The issue is BOTH OF THEM ARE CORRECT. But they didn't just know they are looking at two different points.

1. Jesus is god (all powerful) because the father has committed ALL things into his hands until the end of days. And the Father made this known. Just like Pharaoh did with Joseph during the plenty and famine period, thereby making Joseph THE LEADER OF EGYPT in Pharaoh's stead.
John 5:22
[22]In addition, the Father judges no one. Instead, he has given the Son absolute authority to judge,

2. The Father is definitely greater than his son (Jesus) and Jesus also retriated this severally.
1 Corinthians 15:27-28
[27]For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.” (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.)
[28]Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.

LET US ALL PURSUE THE PATH OF PEACE AND UNDERSTANDING.
THANKS.

it seems you are new here in nl. You don't know maxi and what he stand for

tctrills:
Wrong, I know that the Father delegated Authority to his Son. That was never my argument.
Infact, I am arguing that the Father gave all things to his Son. And that all titles of the Father belong to the Son.

delkuf:
it seems you are new here in nl. You don't know maxi and what he stand for

@ Immaculate
Where are you?
Do you see what i'm saying?
Only Jehovah's Witnesses can agree but all of you are SCATTERED spiritually speaking! Luke 11:23

The reason why you guys are ashamed to mention the name of your church is not to expose yourself because members of the same church don't agree that's why no church has agreed to do the work Jesus assigned to his disciples as he commissioned it each of you will just go to the streets and start making noice claiming he is preaching!

tctrills:
Wrong, I know that the Father delegated Authority to his Son. That was never my argument.
Infact, I am arguing that the Father gave all things to his Son. And that all titles of the Father belong to the Son.

You are correct sir according to John 5:23.
John 5:23
[23]so that everyone will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him.

But he was also right by saying that the Father who gave his son (Jesus) ALL authority is greater than Jesus. And that is also true according to John 14:28.
John 14:28
[28]Remember what I told you: I am going away, but I will come back to you again. If you really loved me, you would be happy that I am going to the Father, who is greater than I am.

I don't think you disagree with that sir. Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
Another flaw!

It's either one is right while the other is wrong, this is the reason why you people have formed over 41,000 sects all claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines!

Holding that one side must be right and the other wrong is the flaw sir. Jesus is not interested in denomination, he is interested in the individual who does his will.
Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
@ Immaculate
Where are you?
Do you see what i'm saying?
Only Jehovah's Witnesses can agree but all of you are SCATTERED spiritually speaking! Luke 11:23

The reason why you guys are ashamed to mention the name of your church is not to expose yourself because members of the same church don't agree that's why no church has agreed to do the work Jesus assigned to his disciples as he commissioned it each of you will just go to the streets and start making noice claiming he is preaching!

we may be members of different churches but we all agree that the Lord Jesus Christ is the son of God who came to this world and died for our sins. So church here doesn't matter. What matters is to kick against lies that the devil and is occultist group like jw are spreading. The Lord Jesus Christ can never be a angel. He is the son of God

immaculatesense:
I don't think you disagree with that sir. Thanks.

You people can never ever agree on the same doctrine.

For instance see what this one is saying:

Secular music listeners have a special department in hell!
https://www.nairaland.com/8351473/secular-music-listeners-special-department

delkuf:
it seems you are new here in nl. You don't know maxi and what he stand for

MaxInDHouse is on a mission to prove that every other person is wrong. And I have no problem with finding out that I am wrong and improving myself but when you can't even prove you point and instead you have to lie and deceive, that's what I don't take. None of us knows all the truth about God because he has not revealed all things to us. So if Max and his JW people will teach me truths that I don't know, I will accept it. But their teachings have to be built on already revealed truths. We can't make the Word of God a lie just to satisfy any organization.

immaculatesense:
Holding that one side must be right and the other wrong is the flaw sir. Jesus is not interested in denomination, he is interested in the individual who does his will.Thanks.

So what are you doing here arguing over DOCTRINES?

You guys just love lying to your own souls!

delkuf:
it seems you are new here in nl. You don't know maxi and what he stand for

Smile. Sir. I have been here since 2015. I know what each and every one of them stands for. Max is a core Jehovah's Witness. I have studied his write ups and comments over the years, both the pros and the cons. Thanks.

delkuf:
we may be members of different churches but we all agree that the Lord Jesus Christ is the son of God who came to this world and died for our sins. So church here doesn't matter. What matters is to kick against lies that the devil and is occultist group like jw are spreading. The Lord Jesus Christ can never be a angel. He is the son of God

OK nah!

MaxInDHouse:
So what are you doing here arguing over DOCTRINES?

You guys just love lying to your own souls!

You know , I don't argue. I look at issues from all lenses. You were correct on your point, he was correct on his. Both of you are saying different things but on one point. The Person of Jesus and his relationship with his father.
He was more focused on the person of Jesus and the authority he has
And you were focused on the relationship of Jesus with his father which made his father superior to him because he delegated the authority to him.

immaculatesense:
You are correct sir according to John 5:23.
John 5:23
[23]so that everyone will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him.

But he was also right by saying that the Father who gave his son (Jesus) ALL authority is greater than Jesus. And that is also true according to John 14:28.
John 14:28
[28]Remember what I told you: I am going away, but I will come back to you again. If you really loved me, you would be happy that I am going to the Father, who is greater than I am.

I don't think you disagree with that sir. Thanks.

The argument was not about who is greater. I never said the Son is greater than the Father. The argument was about who is God. And my answer is, both. Jesus Christ is God just as his Father is God. You notice I use capital G for both. The Hebrew and Greek alphabets did not have small g Gods and capital G gods. The small g God is a modern western idea.

MaxInDHouse:
@ Immaculate
Where are you?
Do you see what i'm saying?
Only Jehovah's Witnesses can agree but all of you are SCATTERED spiritually speaking! Luke 11:23

The reason why you guys are ashamed to mention the name of your church is not to expose yourself because members of the same church don't agree that's why no church has agreed to do the work Jesus assigned to his disciples as he commissioned it each of you will just go to the streets and start making noice claiming he is preaching!

Always going back to childish arguments. The reason we don't mention our church is because we are not looking for distraction like you.
Our goal is to teach and discuss the word of God not to partake in some fetish church competition.

tctrills:
The argument was not about who is greater. I never said the Son is greater than the Father. The argument was about who is God. And my answer is, both. Jesus Christ is God just as his Father is God. You notice I use capital G for both. The Hebrew and Greek alphabets did not have small g Gods and capital G gods. The small g God is a modern western idea.

You are correct sir on the Hebrew and on you stand that Jesus is god. We are on the same view. Max didn't even argue that with me when I made that history submission because I explained the meaning of the word "god" and it's etymology. But you have not been clear on one things sir. I will ask a question and if you answer is Yes, we are fully on the same page, but if no, then there is an issue.
My Question.
Is the Father greater than the Son?

MaxInDHouse:
@ Immaculate
Where are you?
Do you see what i'm saying?
Only Jehovah's Witnesses can agree but all of you are SCATTERED spiritually speaking! Luke 11:23

The reason why you guys are ashamed to mention the name of your church is not to expose yourself because members of the same church don't agree that's why no church has agreed to do the work Jesus assigned to his disciples as he commissioned it each of you will just go to the streets and start making noice claiming he is preaching!

Max.
I know you know me sir. I have never believed anyone is wrong on any issue sir. I also want to know their side of the story and why they think the way they do and respect their choice.
I share my thoughts and create a balance but I never prove people wrong for holding a thought that may change tomorrow.

immaculatesense:
You are correct sir on the Hebrew and on you stand that Jesus is god. We are on the same view. Max didn't even argue that with me when I made that history submission because I explained the meaning of the word "god" and it's etymology. But you have not been clear on one things sir. I will ask a question and if you answer is Yes, we are fully on the same page, but if no, then there is an issue.
My Question.
Is the Father greater than the Son?

I expressly told you that the Father is greater than the Son. That has never been in argument.

tctrills:
I expressly told you that the Father is greater than the Son. That has never been in argument.

That's wonderful. We have the same approach to the person of Jesus.
I Thinks it only Max that is still considering my proposal to him then.
That Jesus is god (in the context of his divinity and deity) based on the fact that his Father has exalted him to his throne to sit with him on his throne and given in a name that is above all other names.
I just hope Max will see my point from that lens and we all put this to rest.
Thanks.

immaculatesense:
That's wonderful. We have the same approach to the person of Jesus.
I Thinks it only Max that is still considering my proposal to him then.
That Jesus is god (in the context of his divinity and deity) based on the fact that his Father has exalted him to his throne to sit with him on his throne and given in a name that is above all other names.
I just hope Max will see my point from that lens and we all put this to rest.
Thanks.

Hmm, he will not. But that's not a problem. I am ok with people not agreeing with me but when one starts being intentionally dishonest, that's another thing.

tctrills:
Hmm, he will not. But that's not a problem. I am ok with people not agreeing with me but when one starts being intentionally dishonest, that's another thing.

Okay sir.
I don't just like back and forth. I believe once we make our points known, and also the other side makes his known, we can have a civil conversation. But when it is degenerating to back and forth or uncivil arguments. I prefer, the mature one should just take a bow out.
Thanks.

cornelboy:
Inherit?

God gave Jesus authority and the kingdom to fulfill some specific purpose. Soon Jesus will hand everything back to his Father God.

I cor 15:24,28

Again i have provided answers in my first post but more thoughts.

You might wonder, that if the Father has given all power to the Son, how is the Father then glorified?

The answer is in
John 14:13-14

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

The Father is glorified in the Son.
Now, as humans we understand this. Nothing makes a parent more happy than the success of their Children. Parents don't get envious of their kids Success.

Our Father in heaven is not envious of Jesus Christ.
He commanded us to be perfect just like he is. He wants all of us to be like him and will do all it takes to help us reach our God potential.

And he wants us to be one with him just as his son is one with him.

Everything I have written is scriptural so why do you doubt?

immaculatesense:
Okay sir.
I don't just like back and forth. I believe once we make our points known, and also the other side makes his known, we can have a civil conversation. But when it is degenerating to back and forth or uncivil arguments. I prefer, the mature one should just take a bow out.
Thanks.

No wahala

immaculatesense:
You know , I don't argue. I look at issues from all lenses. You were correct on your point, he was correct on his. Both of you are saying different things but on one point. The Person of Jesus and his relationship with his father.
He was more focused on the person of Jesus and the authority he has
And you were focused on the relationship of Jesus with his father which made his father superior to him because he delegated the authority to him.

NO!
He is saying Jesus is Jehovah that's what Trinity means!

tctrills:
Always going back to childish arguments. The reason we don't mention our church is because we are not looking for distraction like you.
Our goal is to teach and discuss the word of God not to partake in some fetish church competition.

You can't teach when the other person never accepted you as his or her teacher!

immaculatesense:
I know you know me sir. I have never believed anyone is wrong on any issue sir.

That's why you can't be my brother in the faith because one must be right while the other must be wrong if we are truthful to ourselves there can't be two contradicting statements and both will be right!

MaxInDHouse:
You can't teach when the other person never accepted you as his or her teacher!

Jesus Christ taught and many did not accept him. It was never a problem.

tctrills:
Jesus Christ taught and many did not accept him. It was never a problem.

Ọmọ if it wasn't a problem then why are Jews till today disputing over Jesus being a prophet from their God?
https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/proposed-bill-to-criminalise-speaking-about-jesus-in-israel-is-just-one-guys-axe-to-grind

There is a lot you're missing walahi talahi!

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
He is saying Jesus is Jehovah that's what Trinity means!

You know the etymology of the name JEHOVAH is controversial. The semitic language at the time and the Canaan people have a god called Yahweh at the time according to the Ugaritic text which predicted the book of Job which is the oldest book of the Bible. Just like Yoruba adopted "Olorun" as the Yoruba translation of the Jewish god during the Crowder's translation.
So, let's take the Fathers name as the Father and the supreme god and Jesus as the son of the supreme god.
Let's just leave the concept of Jehovah for the Father and all that. Cos that will bring a question of is "El" then the Father of Yahweh (Jehovah? Those specific names complicate history and I do my best just to stay away.