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Ibime:
America aid is $175bln

$175 x 2 = $350 bln

The $350 bln was cooked up in Trumps office by a lazy doubling and repeated ad nauseum to exaggerate his political argument

That's why it's important to read news.

You don't understand what u r posting

bemeruca:
It seems like trump cared more about his people than him. Even if the war will start again in the future, let it stop first so they can breath and think of how to keep. Russia at bay. The guy eff up big time. Remove your hatred for trump and be sincere to yourself for once.

Let's assume he is like that. Because of he is fighting a war he is losing, EU is calling him the greatest man ever. They are there watching his people die while they do nothing. That's what is getting into their heads. Every day including the UK talk about we must not rely on US when trump is around but they don't want to build their capabilities.

The whole Nator aside from US has less than 5 aircraft carriers. UK 2 France 1 and that's it. Why are they leeches? Norway has 16k soldiers.

After he rejected diplomacy he is asking which one would he recommend. Does he think US should bomb Russia into peace or have a conversation?

He threatened US that the war will come to them if they do not do something across the pond.

JD Vance did not disrespect him, speak the truth

No, they are the ones who escalated.

I agree he should have just been quiet about security guarantee, accept this one and worry about security later, but they also have to make allowances for him. He came with a mandate which all Ukrainians told him, go there and come back with security guarantee. That's everything I heard on radio this morning. That's the picture you're not seeing. So you have to see it from Ukrainian viewpoint too, there is no way he would go there and not press for security guarantee, infact that was all arranged with Europe and was the reason Macron and Starmer preceded him to say "we will put troops on ground, but please provide the backstop". They've all arranged how the negotiation will go from offset and the Americans should have anticipated that, infact they knew that's what all 3 are coming to ask for back to back.

Even at that, any diplomat will handle the matter easily and just say we will discuss that in the background. Ultimately the conversation turned on a lack of self control, and bullying behaviour from Vance which was doubled down by Trump. You have to admit that. His only misstep was saying "what diplomacy are you talking about JD", then JD flipped the table like Jesus at the synagogue.

bemeruca:
You don't understand what u r posting

Go and ask Copilot, chatGPT or Grok

Android17:
Keep quoting legacy media.

The one they've done to you concerning Ukraine is not enough.

You're still bullish on citing them. Even calling Zelensky a soldier.

O ge me gi fuum na anya

I should ask who for details of 5 US bills that is public record? At least you use Grok so you can ask Grok

Nobody has done anything to me on Ukraine except show that you are living in fantasy land claiming US was helping Ukraine make biological weapons like monkey pox and anthrax that can kill only Russians, the worst kind of propaganda that only a deranged mind will believe and which has disappeared like the fart of a leprous witch, and which is the argument I had with you on Ukraine.

I support Ukraine does not mean I'm stupid to realities.

Just like WMD in Afghanistan you just spoke about when it was an allegation made about Iraq, not Afghanistan, and not one I supported. You make up arguments with voices in your head and argue with yourself, I can't help you with that.

Ibime:
No, they are the ones who escalated.

I agree he should have just been quiet about security guarantee, accept this one and worry about security later, but they also have to make allowances for him. He came with a mandate which all Ukrainians told him, go there and come back with security guarantee. That's everything I heard on radio this morning. That's the picture you're not seeing. So you have to see it from Ukrainian viewpoint too, there is no way he would go there and not press for security guarantee, infact that was all arranged with Europe and was the reason Macron and Starmer preceded him to say "we will put troops on ground, but please provide the backstop". They've all arranged how the negotiation will go from offset and the Americans should have anticipated that, infact they knew that's what all 3 are coming to ask for back to back.

Even at that, any diplomat will handle the matter easily and just say we will discuss that in the background. Ultimately the conversation turned on a lack of self control, and bullying behaviour from Vance which was doubled down by Trump. You have to admit that. His only misstep was saying "what diplomacy are you talking about JD", then JD flipped the table like Jesus at the synagogue.

See where everything is scattered. All he had to do was shut up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9--Ct5JOt8

bemeruca:
See where everything is scattered. All he had to do was shut up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9--Ct5JOt8

That's bullying behaviour. He could shut up, but he was not the one shouting. When you shout at a President you are disrespecting his country. If he does not try to answer back (respectfully), that's a disrespect on his country. So basically you just want him to shut up and be shouted at ie bully behaviour

Ibime:
That's bullying behaviour. He could shut up, but he was not the one shouting. When you shout at a President you are disrespecting his country. If he does not try to answer back (respectfully), that's a disrespect on his country. So basically you just want him to shut up and be shouted at ie bully behaviour

Vance was talking to the press about past presidents and their tough talk, he decided to lecture Vance.

The EU has brainwashed this guy.

bemeruca:
Vance was talking to the press about past presidents and their tough talk, he decided to lecture Vance.

The EU has brainwashed this guy.

You've come to the crux of the matter

He asked Vance a question and I quote "What diplomacy you talking about JD?"

Is that what made Vance lose self-control, especially considering his English is poor, something Vance with church sense should interpret as pressing on the details of the diplomatic deal which is a Presidents duty. You don't call a nation to peace deal and not give the President the detail of the peace, what they keep and what they compromise on, meanwhile you are discussing all the finer points with Russia.

On top of that a VP shouting at a President?

Ibime:
You've come to the crux of the matter

He asked Vance a question and I quote "What diplomacy you talking about JD?"

Is that what made Vance lose self-control, especially considering his English is poor, something Vance with church sense should interpret as pressing on the details of the diplomatic deal which is a Presidents duty. You don't call a nation to peace deal and not give the President the detail of the peace, what they keep and what they compromise on, meanwhile you are discussing all the finer points with Russia.

On top of that a VP shouting at a President?

You don't bomb a country like Russia into peace. Zelensky use him mouth say him people no want cease fire. So from his statement and that question, he is implying diplomacy will not work, they should go the way of Biden and EU, talk tough while his people keeps dying.

bemeruca:
You don't bomb a country like Russia into peace. Zelensky use him mouth say him people no want cease fire. So from his statement and that question, he is implying diplomacy will not work, they should go the way of Biden and EU, talk tough while his people keeps dying.

Nope he said consistently ceasefire without security guarantee won't work but they cut him off at that stage. He wants sustainable ceasefire and that only comes with security guarantee. The Americans are not stupid, they know that's what the French and Brits came to discuss, not just freestyle

Ibime:
I should ask who for details of 5 US bills that is public record? At least you use Grok so you can ask Grok

Nobody has done anything to me on Ukraine except show that you are living in fantasy land claiming US was helping Ukraine make biological weapons like monkey pox and anthrax that can kill only Russians, the worst kind of propaganda that only a deranged mind will believe and which has disappeared like the fart of a leprous witch, and which is the argument I had with you on Ukraine.

I support Ukraine does not mean I'm stupid to realities.

Just like WMD in Afghanistan you just spoke about when it was an allegation made about Iraq, not Afghanistan, and not one I supported. You make up arguments with voices in your head and argue with yourself, I can't help you with that.

I won't waste too much time on you as Grok & legacy media are your news sources.

I'll just wait for them to retract their lies and come back to laugh at you as usual.

Don't worry with all your imaginary stories about what was said. You can as well post mine and your posts let others decide.

I'll just caution Bemeruca from wasting his time. When the war has officially ended, you'd come back to tell us

How:

- Russia won
- Occupied more Territory after than before
- Became more economically viable than prior
- made a laughing stock of the sanctions
- prevented Ukraine from joining NATO
- and recovered all the monies lost through thievery fomented by Biden.

This is just me giving the scoops. I can dial it down to the finest details but I'm enjoying the clown show you are putting on here. So keep at it.

bemeruca:
You don't understand what u r posting

Don't worry about what he is posting.

Even if Zelensky confesses tomorrow that $350 bln was committed to Ukraine, the guy you're talking to will turn around to call Zelensky a liar or claim he said $175 bln was the first tranche and how he knew another tranche was going to be disbursed.

A liar cannot help himself.

Android17:
I won't waste too much time on you as Grok & legacy media are your news sources.

See me giving you an out through your boy Elon Musk AI that you already use but because it doesn't conform to your propaganda, even Elon Musk AI is not good enough for you, despite using it for other things. Maybe you rather get it from MTG twitter feed than from Congress website who passed the bills.

Don't worry, when you finish, you will explain how the Monkey pox was created by Ukraine to kill Russians.

As of now I'm very OK with my prognosis, with Russian interest rates almost competing with Nigerias above 20%

Android17:
I just used Grok 3. What is wrong about it? I did not vet it.

bemeruca:
You don't bomb a country like Russia into peace. Zelensky use him mouth say him people no want cease fire. So from his statement and that question, he is implying diplomacy will not work, they should go the way of Biden and EU, talk tough while his people keeps dying.

The person you are talking to said Russia is a small dejected country that was going to fold and lose badly.

With every fake news of a currency dip or some downward turn in Russia's economy, he came online to brag.

Just search for his posts around 2022. Comedic material I tell you. Everything they predicted has gone to shit today.

Same way, they went full steam on Scamala before the elections. Now they want to contextualize rubbish talk that I told him pointedly, time will prove you and the legacy media as liars just like it did with the whole WMD brouhaha.

But you're dealing with someone so incorrigible that he would rather upload his children than admit he was wrong.

Shameless.

Ibime:
See me giving you an out through your boy Elon Musk AI that you already use but because it doesn't conform to your propaganda, even Elon Musk AI is not good enough for you, despite using it for other things. Maybe you rather get it from MTG twitter feed than from Congress website who passed the bills.

Don't worry, when you finish, you will explain how the Monkey pox was created by Ukraine to kill Russians.

As of now I'm very OK with my prognosis, with Russian interest rates almost competing with Nigerias above 20%

If you could post that I've used Grok 3 before you might as well post where I said what you're claiming. Why is it hard?

It is hard for a liar who spews stupid stuff as easily as he can think of it.

Again, just to stop you from your weak deflections. I know what type of info to source from Grok. For e.g, I won't search for vaccine information from it.

That's why I don't see the need to waste my time on people who still quote legacy media. You're still grappling with knowing what truth is.

What a sorry case.

Android17:
If you could post that I've used Grok 3 before you might as well post where I said what you're claiming. Why is it hard?

It is hard for a liar who spews stupid stuff as easily as he can think of it.

Again, just to stop you from your weak deflections. I know what type of info to source from Grok. For e.g, I won't search for vaccine information from it.

That's why I don't see the need to waste my time on people who still quote legacy media. You're still grappling with knowing what truth is.

What a sorry case.

Ok. Use US official Govt website. Read and be blessed

https://www.ukraineoversight.gov/Funding/

Ibime:
Ok. Use US official Govt website. Read and be blessed

https://www.ukraineoversight.gov/Funding/

Why won't you also give me the FBI and CIA? I'm sure you can find 51 agents to swear an oath confirming your story abi.

If I read it on a govt site, it has to be true. There's absolutely no incentive to lie.

Ibime:
Don't worry, when you finish, you will explain how the Monkey pox was created by Ukraine to kill Russians.

Prove this. Shouldn't be hard right? Just quote my post stating this. Simple.

Android17:
Why won't you also give me the FBI and CIA? I'm sure you can find 51 agents to swear an oath confirming your story abi.

If I read it on a govt site, it has to be true. There's absolutely no incentive to lie.

Is US official website contradicting their own Presido, especially Oversight committee controlled by Republicans

Ok, start by telling me FBI yearly budget since that's the missing piece.

Infact forget it, just provide the $350bln figure.

Android17:
The person you are talking to said Russia is a small dejected country that was going to fold and lose badly.

With every fake news of a currency dip or some downward turn in Russia's economy, he came online to brag.

Just search for his posts around 2022. Comedic material I tell you. Everything they predicted has gone to shit today.

Same way, they went full steam on Scamala before the elections. Now they want to contextualize rubbish talk that I told him pointedly, time will prove you and the legacy media as liars just like it did with the whole WMD brouhaha.

But you're dealing with someone so incorrigible that he would rather upload his children than admit he was wrong.

Shameless.

They always have one-sided view of things like this

They wanted Zelensky to do that stupid dance of presidency denial with them. Where Biden is not the president because he didn’t really win but if anything goes wrong it’s his fault. Yet somehow Trump is the only person whose legitimacy is recognized even while he’s being a criminal in and out of office. So anyone who recognized Biden’s presidency was an enemy and a target in their books

Ibime:
The Ambassador was facepalming for her country not for Zelensky.

Zelensky didn't do anything wrong in that meeting, maybe except keep totally mute. He was attacked by Vance.

Zelensky didn't cozy up to Biden, he cozied up to the elected President of the United States his country's most important ally. And in foreign affairs, that is well understood except to Neanderthals and Trumpanzees it seems. That is exactly what he was trying to say today when he kept repeating in his limited English "the elected President of the United States". He was thinking what planet are these eediots from bringing their partizan hatred to our countries mutual dealings.

Your President is your President and our alliance is with your country, not with any individual. But the eediot Trump kept inserting him into Amaricas partizan affairs. And after Biden, he would have cozied up to the next President whether he was green, yellow or blue. He even visited Trump tower during the elections to ensure that. This is as stupid as saying John Mahama, President of Ghana was cozying up to Jonathan so Buhari won't see him. Comot with your childish partizan talk please.

Ibime:
Is US official website contradicting their own Presido, especially Oversight committee controlled by Republicans

Ok, start by telling me FBI yearly budget since that's the missing piece.

Infact forget it, just provide the $350bln figure.

This is the whole COVID-19 origins all over. I told you, stop using official website, republicans bla bla to make any argument concerning Trump. There's a uniparty, and there's Trump. Trump told you it came from a lab but the CIA contradicted him that time. Whose side did you take? Who ended up being right?

The people who are accused of receiving kickbacks from same Ukraine are going to be incentivized to lie about what was doled out. You know this or at least you should.

I won't do your homework for you. If you don't believe the figure Trump gave, that's fine. I no get energy for useless arguments.

AmazonTopaz:
It will take decades for America to recover from this madness. My goodness.

Decades

Literally said this before the election. If he wins it will take decades to get back to where we were. Can’t even hold out hope of any improvement for now. And they said it was fear mongering. Now look

basilico:
There is a crime in the statute if you sell off your country's secrets to another.. whether it's just the size of Circuit Breakers in a submarine.
It's called treason. Punishable by death
Those are just empty threats not to get fired.
"Don't fire me or China will employ me ".

Yet you support American public enemy number one?

Android17:
This is the whole COVID-19 origins all over. I told you, stop using official website, republicans bla bla to make any argument concerning Trump. There's a uniparty, and there's Trump. Trump told you it came from a lab but the CIA contradicted him that time. Whose side did you take? Who ended up being right?

The people who are accused of receiving kickbacks from same Ukraine are going to be incentivized to lie about what was doled out. You know this or at least you should.

I won't do your homework for you. If you don't believe the figure Trump gave, that's fine. I no get energy for useless arguments.

It's very simple to provide the figure na, not all this rigmarole

Like I said, you can argue with yourself all you want, not what you discussed with me. I don't deal in conspiracy. You are now referencing origins of Covid argument where I told you I'm going with scientific consensus on wet market but not ruling out accidental leak from the lab. You have no evidence of purposeful leak so stop beating your chest.

Anyway not going down several rabbit holes at once, I need to preserve my sanity tonight, early morning waka tomorrow ✌🏽

Ibime:
This is absolutely false. Scientific consensus is that the virus structure rules out genetic modification, and CIA have advised POTUS that it is not man made.

What they are investigating is whether there was an accidental leak from the lab, which I do not rule out as Chinese labs have accidentally leaked SARS virus twice.

Google is your friend.

Ibime:
It's very simple to provide the figure na, not all this rigmarole

Like I said, you can argue with yourself all you want, not what you discussed with me. I don't deal in conspiracy. You are now referencing origins of Covid argument where I told you I'm going with scientific consensus on wet market but not ruling out accidental leak from the lab. You have no evidence of purposeful leak so stop beating your chest.

Anyway not going down several rabbit holes at once, I need to preserve my sanity tonight, early morning waka tomorrow ✌🏽

If you don't know what this means, you are not informed enough to have the conversation.

This is absolutely false. Scientific consensus is that the virus structure rules out genetic modification, and CIA have advised POTUS that it is not man made.

Just look at this madness. And he's still defending it.

- absolutely FALSE
- rules out genetic modification
- not man made.

Which of these 3 statements hold true today? All are in fact wrong.

But today, you're basically going back to quote same type of sources to argue again. And you don't see what is coming your way.

FYI, scientific consensus is agreeing with the source of your grants.

Jay Bhattacharya had all his grants taken from him for not agreeing with Fauci. Ironically, he is going to be the NIH director- replacing Fauci.

That's why it makes ZERO sense to quote scientific consensus. LOL. The others that didn't agree were censored. That's how it happens.

Then after the lie has been disseminated, they'll retract it.

Android17:
If you don't know what this means, you are not informed enough to have the conversation.



Just look at this madness. And he's still defending it.

- absolutely FALSE
- rules out genetic modification
- not man made.

Which of these 3 statements hold true today? All are in fact wrong.

But today, you're basically going back to quote same type of sources to argue again. And you don't see what is coming your way.

Convince Wikipedia first who are still calling it a Conspiracy theory.

Is there a consensus on it or just theories?

I don't care either way but so far Google is telling me that your Director of National Intelligence produced a report ruling it out in 2023.

You may produce an official consensus to the contrary but Google is returning nothing, maybe somewhere in your Twitter verse is saying different

Ibime:
Convince Wikipedia first who are still calling it a Conspiracy theory.

Is there a consensus on it or just theories?

I don't care either way but so far Google is telling me that your Director of National Intelligence produced a report ruling it out in 2023.

You may produce an official consensus to the contrary but Google is returning nothing, maybe somewhere in your Twitter verse is saying different

Believe them. If everything they've told you has stood the test of time, please believe them. Just remember that 51 former intelligence agents swore that a laptop they had in their possession and knew was real, showed all the earmarks of a Russian disinformation campaign.

Just think of it. They hated Trump so much and wanted him to lose (post 2020 election polls said a significant portion of the democrat voters admitted they'd have changed their votes from Biden to Trump if they knew the laptop was real).

I no need stress this pm where I dey.

Android17:
Believe them. If everything they've told you has stood the test of time, please believe them. Just remember that 51 former intelligence agents swore that a laptop they had in their possession and knew was real, showed all the earmarks of a Russian disinformation campaign.

Just think of it. They hated Trump so much and wanted him to lose (post 2020 election polls said a significant portion of the democrat voters admitted they'd have changed their votes from Biden to Trump if they knew the laptop was real).

I no need stress this pm where I dey.

But you just said COVID being genetically modified is proven, now you are telling me to give it time. cos nothing come out

Your problem is you are first to every Russian and Maga conspiracy

It becomes affirmed as truth to you when the magaverse picks it up and a massive volume of people start retweeting and believing. Along the way hundreds of those conspiracies are quietly dropped then you hold up the one or two that become widely believed as a "truth" or an "I told you so" even though the scientific experts do not agree or very few agree.

The reality is that on a percentage basis, most of the stuff you believe are discarded lies but you hold up the 5% that gain traction as proof of your world view. It's a sorry way to build a belief system.

I affirm truth on scientific consensus. Much simpler

As of now, the consensus is COVID is not engineered 5 years later. And don't think the quack RFK will make it true even if he publish anything, it will be thrown in the 🗑️ by scientific community for the most part.

Ibime:
But you just said COVID being genetically modified is proven, now you are telling me to give it time. cos nothing come out

Your problem is you are first to every Russian and Maga conspiracy

It becomes affirmed as truth to you when the magaverse picks it up and a massive volume of people start retweeting and believing. Along the way hundreds of those conspiracies are quietly dropped then you hold up the one or two that become widely believed as a "truth" or an "I told you so" even though the scientific experts do not agree or very few agree.

The reality is that on a percentage basis, most of the stuff you believe are discarded lies but you hold up the 5% that gain traction as proof of your world view. It's a sorry way to build a belief system.

I affirm truth on scientific consensus. Much simpler

As of now, the consensus is COVID is not engineered 5 years later. And don't think the quack RFK will make it true even if he publish anything, it will be thrown in the 🗑️ by scientific community for the most part.

Ignored.