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Maitunbi:
You are mixing it up. Belief in in God is called theism.
But if you say you're religious it means you align yourself with one of the many religions of the world.

Believing in the existence of a God and believing in that God are two different things.
Many people know and believe in the existence of God, but it doesn't mean the believe in the God

EXOUSIAng:
➜I never said all gods are the same. I said all worshipers believe in the supreme God. So an Ogun worshiper still believes there is a bigger God, just the same way the Christains who worship Christ believe in the Almighty God who they refer to as His father, the Muslims also believe in the supreme Go God called Allah. They all believe I'm the one true God but worship him through various methods. Please try to real and understood me well.
➜What I have been saying is simple and I have been repeating the same thing over and over.

1. Isn't that pretty much the same thing? You say they all believe in this one true God but worship him through various methods, meaning the one true God of one religion is the same one true God of the next, and so on. Abi no be so? 🤔

2. You are saying it is the exact same entity worshipped in different ways across the many different religions, right? I am reminded of the poem about The Six Blind Men and The Elephant at this point. 🤔

@ op Ramadan fasting doesn't necessarily need to be a hunger strike like the Christian own,the first thing that matters is your INTENTION.
You can call it 1-0-1 or whatever.
Even your own 40 days Lent fasting,you people don't observe it,but you can put your nose inside wetin no concern you.
Our fasting during the month of Ramadan is an obligatory one for every sane,matured and healthy Muslims,,it is very compulsory,even with your so called 1-0-1,some Muslims still avoid it.
Imagine we are doing hunger strike like the Christians' own,many go dey faint for their workplaces,especially those doing hard labour work,it is the same hypocrites like you that will be saying "see,their religion is too hard".
Just like the Qur'an 2 v 185 says "Allah intends ease for you and not hardship".
Before I can take any Christians seriously on this issue,it will be when they observe their complete 40 days Lent fasting and during the day with nothing in their bellies they go to do their daily work,then I can take you seriously.

Axis313:
@ op Ramadan fasting doesn't necessarily need to be a hunger strike like the Christian own,the first thing that matters is your INTENTION.
You can call it 1-0-1 or whatever.
Even your own 40 days Lent fasting,you people don't observe it,but you can put your nose inside wetin no concern you.
Our fasting during the month of Ramadan is an obligatory one for every sane,matured and healthy Muslims,,it is very compulsory,even with your so called 1-0-1,some Muslims still avoid it.
Imagine we are doing hunger strike like the Christians' own,many go dey faint for their workplaces,especially those doing hard labour work,it is the same hypocrites like you that will be saying "see,their religion is too hard".
Just like the Qur'an 2 v 185 says "Allah intends ease for you and not hardship"

I hope u know RCCG is having 100 days prayer and fasting as we speak.

SIRTee15:
I hope u know RCCG is having 100 days prayer and fasting as we speak.

Does their bible makes it a compulsory one for them?I mean,is it an obligatory part of Christianity?Ramadan fasting is one of the five pillars of Islam and it is compulsory on every Muslim to observe it.
The rccg 100 days fasting may collide with the Lent that will start on Wednesday,and I am 100% sure larger percentage of Christians won't observe it,but they are mischievous enough to find fault in Muslims' fasting.
If you don't know,Ramadan is not the only period we observe our fasting,we observe fasting on Mondays and Thursdays as it is the traditions of the Prophet,on the 13th,14th and 15th of every lunar months,on the day of Arafat,that is a day before eid el Adha,six days in the month of Shawwal,the month immediately after Ramadan and more.
But you guys are only fixated on Ramadan fasting.

The purpose of fasting is to be on empty stomach. Not to eat before a certain time and say you're fasting with food in your tummy.

Fake fasting

Kobojunkie:
1. Isn't that pretty much the same thing? You say they all believe in this one true God but worship him through various methods, meaning the one true God of one religion is the same one true God of the next, and so on. Abi no be so? 🤔

2. You are saying it is the exact same entity worshipped in different ways across the many different religions, right? I am reminded of the poem about The Six Blind Men and The Elephant at this point. 🤔

Now you get me right

But it isn't actually the same thing.
A christain will never accept that he is worshiping the same ultimate entity with an Ogun worshiper, and an Idemili and sango worshiper will never accept that he worships the same entity as a Muslim.
The concept of religion is actually to make men blind.
There is so much focus on the deities very little attention is given to the ultimate supreme entity.
The few who have been able to see this are seen as being abnormal (above-nornal)
The Greeks understood this. They called the ultimate entity Zeus, while they had other Gods.
The Vikings understood this they him the ultimate entity Odin the Al'Father..

Every religion and culture has a place for an Ultimate entity...

That ultimate entity is who I believe in.

In order to understand him better.
One need to see him from the eye of the various other deities.
There are so many perspectives to the Almighty God

Indeed fasting has been practiced by mankind for various reasons since time immemorial. There has been that prescribed by the supreme and many by man himself.

For Moses, 40 days in total was prescribed and there are narrations as to how this came to be 40. The times for fast varies through different groups and there are variations regarding compulsion to. Indeed fasting in the month of Ramadan is compulsory for all Muslims and is fundamental to practicing Islam. There are exceptions given to some for valid reasons regarding exemption from food and drink however they are to engage in all other aspects of the time. Indeed Ramadan is far beyond just abstaining from food and drink.

A Muslim fast is dawn to sunset and cannot be reviewed by man. Young children are seen to fast for shorter period in building them up physically and spiritually. It is common for some in other faiths to fast till noon, 4pm or other times of their choice however I doubt they have scriptural backing for this.

There are different types of prefast meals but as a mercy to Muslims Allah prescribes the sahur and iftar in which there are great blessings. Beyond the meals the spirituality in prayers and devotion are enormous. We are not fasting to please mankind but in submission to Allah who alone grants reward for fasting far beyond human understanding. Indeed there is a gate into paradise strictly for those who fast.

EXOUSIAng:
I am a religious man.
I don't belong to a religion.
I am sure I have read and understood the Quran and Hadith more than many Muslims, the same way I have dug deep into the Bible than most christian, swam deep into Judaism, Hindu even the new ones like dudeiam.
Our African traditional religions are the most practical and Goldeen in my study thus far

How so? My Friends all in their 30s says thesame, same people used to be staunch Christians in their 20s, those who do not hold this opinion believe say there’s no God/god entirely. One currently has a deity he worships at home, he claims, the deity helps him trade better, I’m forced to think half way into their reason is a clamor for freedom or materialism. Could be wrong though. Why did you make the bolded conclusion thus far? Don’t you think it’s premature?

EXOUSIAng:
Yes.

The different religious sects.
The christians.
Muslims
Ogun,
Sango
Amadioha etc all believe in the supreme God, who controls life, they only do it through different means.
Same believe in same God different ways

That's why the Igbos have all these deities but they still have Chukwu who is the supreme God.
The Yorubas also have sango, Ogun, etc but they all believe in the God called Eledumare, who is the supreme God in their tongue.
Every culture globally has a name for the supreme God.
Even the Christians believe in Christ just as a Sango worshiper believes in Sango but the Christains also worship who the White man calls the Almighty God, so Jesus is a deity just the same way Ogun is a deity to Ogun worshipers, Christ is deity to Christains.

Jesus is not a deity, If you say Moses was a deity no problem perhaps.

WantsandMore:
Jesus is not a deity, If you say Moses was a deity no problem perhaps.

LoL you don't know what or who a deity is...

This is the problem with you many Christains, so much ignorance in the body of Christ.
That's why pastors are eating you all up

Me I need new Quran and khimar 🙏

EXOUSIAng:
Yes.

The different religious sects.
The christians.
Muslims
Ogun,
Sango
Amadioha etc all believe in the supreme God, who controls life, they only do it through different means.
Same believe in same God different ways

That's why the Igbos have all these deities but they still have Chukwu who is the supreme God.
The Yorubas also have sango, Ogun, etc but they all believe in the God called Eledumare, who is the supreme God in their tongue.
Every culture globally has a name for the supreme God.
Even the Christians believe in Christ just as a Sango worshiper believes in Sango but the Christains also worship who the White man calls the Almighty God, so Jesus is a deity just the same way Ogun is a deity to Ogun worshipers, Christ is deity to Christains.

This is what I have been teaching here since time imemorial , the jw zombies and the other guy who I promised to pay for his treatment will be drooling all over the place.
Same God different nomenclature....I choose to worship my Chineke same way my ancestors did.....I am not loosing my senses because the white man gave us a book like most people here...

Usmanovic95:
In all degree, human are created to be perfect or faultless. Do you have a contrary opinion to that?

Man is imperfect by Design

WantsandMore:
How so? My Friends all in their 30s says thesame, same people used to be staunch Christians in their 20s, those who do not hold this opinion believe say there’s no God/god entirely. One currently has a deity he worships at home, he claims, the deity helps him trade better, I’m forced to think half way into their reason is a clamor for freedom or materialism. Could be wrong though. Why did you make the bolded conclusion thus far? Don’t you think it’s premature?

Christianity and other foreign religion brought about the birth of a strange level of immorality in Africa.
When we had just our African traditional religions, people were much more trust worthy.
Let me give you an example.
African politicians will never swear at a shrine but they will proudly hold a bible or Quran and swear. Tell a Yoruba politician to take his oat of office in accordance with Ogun, or Sango and he will tell you stories.
No Igbos politician will swear an oat of office to Amadioha and steal N1 in office.
Africa is underdeveloped and corrupt because of the foreign religions.
A fake chief priest cannot go and sit in the shrine of Ogugu, Apkan, Idemili, Sango etc but you see fake pastors everywhere.

The foreign religions destroyed Africa.

The African traditional religion is the most liberal, so accommodating.
Centuries ago, we took the white man in gave them land to build their churches. Today the Christains burn shrines and lock people up for practicing African traditional religion, I think this is actually barbaric. A Christains is allowed to collect anointing oil, candles, handkerchiefs etc from their pastors who is their chief priest, but a traditional worshiper collects something from his chief priest who is also his pastor will be locked up. I will say the African traditional religion has been able to coexist without issues but the so-called civilized religions can't live with others, I would say our traditional religion is the civilized one....

About your friend who now has a deity.
Yes.
With African traditional,you are closer to the spiritual. You can know what you want to know immediately by connecting, not by waiting for one pastor to come and guess.

I will say I trust the African traditionals much more than any foreign religion...

And if most christians read anything outside the bible about the so called Christianity, they will be too ashamed to step into a church. The christian religion has being the greatest enemy of mankind.
No religion has killed as much as christains

EXOUSIAng:
LoL you don't know what or who a deity is...

This is the problem with you many Christains, so much ignorance in the body of Christ.
That's why pastors are eating you all up

Why did you say so? I stand by my assertion, Jesus Christ is not a deity and you’ve said very little to mockery of my assertion.

EXOUSIAng:
Now you get me right

But it isn't actually the same thing.
A christain will never accept that he is worshiping the same ultimate entity with an Ogun worshiper, and an Idemili and sango worshiper will never accept that he worships the same entity as a Muslim.
The concept of religion is actually to make men blind.
There is so much focus on the deities very little attention is given to the ultimate supreme entity.
The few who have been able to see this are seen as being abnormal (above-nornal)
The Greeks understood this. They called the ultimate entity Zeus, while they had other Gods.
The Vikings understood this they him the ultimate entity Odin the Al'Father..

Every religion and culture has a place for an Ultimate entity...

That ultimate entity is who I believe in.

In order to understand him better.
One need to see him from the eye of the various other deities.
There are so many perspectives to the Almighty God

You are wise...may your days be long. May it be longer than the days of Methuselah's, but may you not suffer like him....amen

WantsandMore:
Why did you say so? I stand by my assertion, Jesus Christ is not a deity and you’ve said very little to mockery of my assertion.

Go and get 5 different dictionaries check the meaning of the word deity and come back.

EXOUSIAng:
Christianity and other foreign religion brought about the birth of a strange level of immorality in Africa.
When we had just our African traditional religions, people were much more trust worthy.
Let me give you an example.
African politicians will never swear at a shrine but they will proudly hold a bible or Quran and swear. Tell a Yoruba politician to take his oat of office in accordance with Ogun, or Sango and he will tell you stories.
No Igbos politician will swear an oat of office to Amadioha and steal N1 in office.
Africa is underdeveloped and corrupt because of the foreign religions.
A fake chief priest cannot go and sit in the shrine of Ogugu, Apkan, Idemili, Sango etc but you see fake pastors everywhere.

The foreign religions destroyed Africa.

The African traditional religion is the most liberal, so accommodating.
Centuries ago, we took the white man in gave them land to build their churches. Today the Christains burn shrines and lock people up for practicing African traditional religion, I think this is actually barbaric. A Christains is allowed to collect anointing oil, candles, handkerchiefs etc from their pastors who is their chief priest, but a traditional worshiper collects something from his chief priest who is also his pastor will be locked up. I will say the African traditional religion has been able to coexist without issues but the so-called civilized religions can't live with others, I would say our traditional religion is the civilized one....

About your friend who now has a deity.
Yes.
With African traditional,you are closer to the spiritual. You can know what you want to know immediately by connecting, not by waiting for one pastor to come and guess.

I will say I trust the African traditionals much more than any foreign religion...

And if most christians read anything outside the bible about the so called Christianity, they will be too ashamed to step into a church. The christian religion has being the greatest enemy of mankind.
No religion has killed as much as christains

Everything you’ve typed can be considered nonsensical by historical context, Before the Europeans came, Africans engaged in every form of shenanigans you accused the Europeans off, for e.g In Calabar Pre-Colonial Era, People ignorantly murdered new born babies(Twins) to please their deity,In other parts of Africa, People murdered their kin to Please their deity for bountiful harvest, isn’t that absurd in it own self?

EXOUSIAng:
Go and get 5 different dictionaries check the meaning of the word deity and come back.

You come across as being of Igbo extraction. If you are, I would really love to connect. Thank you.

WantsandMore:
Everything you’ve typed can be considered nonsensical by historical context, Before the Europeans came, Africans engaged in every form of shenanigans you accused the Europeans off, for e.g In Calabar Pre-Colonial Era, People ignorantly murdered new born babies(Twins) to please their deity,In other parts of Africa, People murdered their kin to Please their deity for bountiful harvest, isn’t that absurd in it own self?

You are reading your history from the book written by your enemies and you want to find something good in it. No nah(in Pluto s voice)

Exposiang

Hope u know everything you have been posting is about promoting the worship of demons?
.
How dare you compare worship and sacrifice to demons to worship of God through his Son Jesus Christ.
No one can worship the Almighty God through sacrificing to lower deities and demon.
Such sacrifice does not gets to the Almighty God....it's only received by higher principalities/powers under the rulership of Satan himself.

Don't be deceived that u are worshipping a supreme entity, you have being hijacked into the satanic realm.....ur worship doesn't get into the holy realms .........be careful , the medium through u worship God is by far very important as it will determine which God/ you are worshiping.... cos there are thousands of spirits that crave worship in exchange for one thing or the other

WantsandMore:
Everything you’ve typed can be considered nonsensical by historical context, Before the Europeans came, Africans engaged in every form of shenanigans you accused the Europeans off, for e.g In Calabar Pre-Colonial Era, People ignorantly murdered new born babies(Twins) to please their deity,In other parts of Africa, People murdered their kin to Please their deity for bountiful harvest, isn’t that absurd in it own self?

You are saying this by reading history books written by the white man.

Did the white man tell you how they murdered and killed like wild dogs? Have you been told why non Catholics are called protestants, do you know that the whitemans religion invented killing fields?

Or should we talk about the council of Nicaea where it's was decided that your Jesus be refired to as the son of God.

You worship on SUNDAY
Your Christmas day was the former day for worshiping the SUNGOD
Your Jesus is the SUN of GOD
I still see Catholics bowing before the statue of Mary everywhere...

Did the white man ever tell you that Benin Kingdom had street lights before he came?
Did the white man ever tell you about the great Oyo army,
Did the white man ever tell you about the democracy practiced in Igbo land before he came?

You are still one of the many slaves living in the white man's mental prison

EXOUSIAng:
Go and get 5 different dictionaries check the meaning of the word deity and come back.

I believe you talk from a position of ignorance but masked as wisdom, I believe given time, the very dilemma that made you choose what you become at this moment will also crawl up to your falsehood.

sonmvayina:
You are reading your history from the book written by your enemies and you want to find something good in it. No nah(in Pluto s voice)

Why do you say so? Please recommend a book written by an African for Africa that doesn’t mirror this unethical, primitive practices pre-colonialism.

SocialJustice:
The purpose of fasting is to be on empty stomach. Not to eat before a certain time and say you're fasting with food in your tummy.

Fake fasting

For your mind you make sense.
Just like the Prophet Muhammad said "Intention comes before action"
So someone that is a political prisoner and refused to eat or drink for three straight days or even up to a week is also observing fasting abi?after all na empty stomach e dey now.
Or someone that don't have food to eat from 9am yesterday up till 12pm this afternoon will also claim say e dey fast abi,so fa he is on empty stomach.
Oga,face your fasting make we face our own,since you guys are doing your 40 days Lenten fasting no Muslim drag anything with you,it is only you jobless people that won't face your religion.
Even your 40 days hunger strike,you guys are not even observing it.
After all,you are not the one that will reward us,so we don't need your validation.

WantsandMore:
I believe you talk from a position of ignorance but masked as wisdom, I believe given time, the very dilemma that made you choose what you become at this moment will also crawl up to your falsehood.

Go and check for the meaning of the word deity.
I don't like talking to low minded ignorant people like you.
If you don't know the meaning of the word deity, it means you know nothing about divinity and your Christ is a divine being.
Most of you Christains know nothing that's why any idiot with little spiritual intelligence can cut a few leaves make a few incantations and kill you.
Look at you saying Jesus is not a deity. You dont even know the entity you worship

EXOUSIAng:
You are saying this by reading history books written by the white man.

Did the white man tell you how they murdered and killed like wild dogs? Have you been told why non Catholics are called protestants, do you know that the whitemans religion invented killing fields?

Or should we talk about the council of Nicaea where it's was decided that your Jesus be refired to as the son of God.

You worship on SUNDAY
Your Christmas day was the former day for worshiping the SUNGOD
Your Jesus is the SUN of GOD
I still see Catholics bowing before the statue of Mary everywhere...

Did the white man ever tell you that Benin Kingdom had street lights before he came?
Did the white man ever tell you about the great Oyo army,
Did the white man ever tell you about the democracy practiced in Igbo land before he came?

You are still one of the many slaves living in the white man's mental prison

I get your POV but you’re ignorantly equating governance with spirituality which is a very different thing entirely. You can have the best governance structure but still practice the most barbarism of spirituality. For e.g The Igbo spiritual barbarism still sips into our society till date, which is why a handful of lazy youths believe they conjure money by means of human sacrifice

EXOUSIAng:
Go and check for the meaning of the word deity.
I don't like talking to low minded ignorant people like you.
If you don't know the meaning of the word deity, it means you know nothing about divinity and your Christ is a divine being.
Most of you Christains know nothing that's why any idiot with little spiritual intelligence can cut a few leaves make a few incantations and kill you.
Look at you saying Jesus is not a deity. You dont even know the entity you worship

Oh it’s you that thinks so, which is the very reason you call me ignorant, I’ve been told to anticipate people like you, wolf in sheep’s clothing, parading ignorance as wisdom.

Ohyoudidnt:
Indeed fasting has been practiced by mankind for various reasons since time immemorial. There has been that prescribed by the supreme and many by man himself.

For Moses, 40 days in total was prescribed and there are narrations as to how this came to be 40. The times for fast varies through different groups and there are variations regarding compulsion to. Indeed fasting in the month of Ramadan is compulsory for all Muslims and is fundamental to practicing Islam. There are exceptions given to some for valid reasons regarding exemption from food and drink however they are to engage in all other aspects of the time. Indeed Ramadan is far beyond just abstaining from food and drink.

A Muslim fast is dawn to sunset and cannot be reviewed by man. Young children are seen to fast for shorter period in building them up physically and spiritually. It is common for some in other faiths to fast till noon, 4pm or other times of their choice however I doubt they have scriptural backing for this.

There are different types of prefast meals but as a mercy to Muslims Allah prescribes the sahur and iftar in which there are great blessings. Beyond the meals the spirituality in prayers and devotion are enormous. We are not fasting to please mankind but in submission to Allah who alone grants reward for fasting far beyond human understanding. Indeed there is a gate into paradise strictly for those who fast.

Jazzakallahu Khairan.
We don't need their validation.

Axis313:
For your mind you make sense.
Just like the Prophet Muhammad said "Intention comes before action"
So someone that is a political prisoner and refused to eat or drink for three straight days or even up to a week is also observing fasting abi?after all na empty stomach e dey now.
Or someone that don't have food to eat from 9am yesterday up till 12pm this afternoon will also claim say e dey fast abi,so fa he is on empty stomach.
Oga,face your fasting make we face our own,since you guys are doing your 40 days Lenten fasting no Muslim drag anything with you,it is only you jobless people that won't face your religion.
Even your 40 days hunger strike,you guys are not even observing it.
After all,you are not the one that will reward us,so we don't need your validation.

Don’t get emotional, fasting is the abstinence of food but the purpose may vary from spiritual to personal and each with it own reward.

WantsandMore:
Oh it’s you that thinks so, which is the very reason you call me ignorant, I’ve been told to anticipate people like you, wolf in sheep’s clothing, parading ignorance as wisdom.

I am not a Christain. So referring to me as wolf in sheep clothing means you don't even understand your Bible. You don't even understand what the bible was saying about wolves in sheep clothing.
Are you sure you know anything about being a Christain aside being stupid and donating your money and offering?