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MaxInDHouse:
What is Bible's definition of faith?

Most people don't know the difference:

:FAITH
and
:RELIGION

That is why you need to define the two separately.

Faith according to Bible is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen. Hebrews 11:1

Religion is gathering like-minded people practicing the things related to the same faith.

You can believe in something but if you aren't sharing this belief with anyone else it remains your personal faith until you have two or three people who share the same belief {Matthew 18:20} not forcefully but heartily as they are ever ready to work together as one voluntarily towards the fulfillment of their common belief it can't be called religion.

What most people practice is false religion where their faith remains idle as it can't produce anything positive {Psalms 115:4-8} according to God's word such beliefs or faith is dead! James 2:18, 26

helinues:
God is an imaginary entity. I like being realistic about things

Btw, where is your own submission to this topic before pointing fingers?

no wonder you don't have pity.

femi4:
All I need is as tiny as musta seed

You don't need 100%

Mt 17:20

He answered, “Because of your little faith [your lack of trust and confidence in the power of God]; for I assure you and most solemnly say to you, if you have [living] faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and [if it is God’s will] it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you

though if you have a faith as tiny as a mustard seed it would still work but you still need to grow your faith. The more of your faith you grow, the more closer we get to God. So we do need 100 percent of our faith in God

delkuf:
though if you have a faith as tiny as a mustard seed it would still work but you still need to grow your faith. The more of your faith you grow, the more closer we get to God. So we do need 100 percent of our faith in God

Show me the scripture that teaches 100% faith. Not even Abraham was credited with 100

Princess80:
I have read an agreed to all terms and conditions is the biggest lie people tell

All terms and conditions of what exactly?

Wainey:
On a scale of 1-100

There is a scale to the Christian model of faith? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

NomoreKobo:
➜If I explain my Believe in GOD, some may interpret it as nihilism, or what's worse, lack of faith.
[b]Here is my believe in GOD.
I believe in HIM so much that I dread my existence, because His Will for my life trumps my own "free will"
I believe in HIM so much that I may be having the worse time ever, but deep down I know He loves me.
I believe in HIM so much that I have come to the realisation that wether I live a comfortable life (of my choice) or a life of poverty (that I detest), HIS love for me remains undiminished.
I have come to realise that believing in HIM does not me I will be rich, or healthy, nor successfully. I could be the poorest man alive and yet his love for me will be just the same as the Love HE has for my LORD and CHRIST, Jesus.
The Arabic statement " insha'Allah" best describes my believe in GOD.
i.e ...
If HE wills; I live.
If HE wills; I die.
But HIS steadfast love for me is undeniable.
The ways of the LORD GOD Almighty is just too mysterious.
HE will not answer all your prayers; but how Blessed are you if you find favour in HIS sight![/b]

Essentially, this is another way of saying your deity accepts pretty much anything you throw at him since, after all, even your every behavior is all according to his will, so you all justified by him?

You are a classic religious soul, man!

FreeSpirited:
➜The question God will ask u is that: Are you now doing is Will ?

Who are you to question him when you also belong to the "No one is perfect or flawless" religious circle to which he equally belongs? You Christians believe even without admitting it that even in your many imperfections, which mirror, for the most part, that of those who don't even believe at all, you are covered/justified by your Christian deity. The only difference between you and the other guy is that he is at least bold enough to state that his deity justifies every action he takes, while you refuse to.

NomoreKobo:
➜Wrong question: The will of GOD will come to pass wether you (I mean you) wether you like it or not. I will provide biblical examples of you need them. It's funny, but one of the most peaceful way to make the will of GOD come to pass in your life, is for you to stop trying to make the will of GOD come to pass in your life. Just relax and let the Creator do HIS thing

. Essentially, your every action is justified, no matter what, by the will of your God, right? WuWei, right?

Kobojunkie:
Who are you to question him when you also belong to the "No one is perfect or flawless" religious circle to which he equally belongs? You Christians believe even without admitting it that even in your many imperfections, which mirror, for the most part, that of those who don't even believe at all, you are covered/justified by your Christian deity. The only difference between you and the other guy is that he is at least bold enough to state that his deity justifies every action he takes, while you refuse to.

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You don't even know whom I am........If you think all these up there summarizes my Christian living, then u are mistaken.

FreeSpirited:
➜You don't even know whom I am........If you think all these up there summarizes my Christian living, then u are mistaken.

Look, Christianity is one big system that operates exactly the same no matter which of the over 46,000 factions of it you belong to. That you are under some delusion that your faction sets you apart from all of the others means you still are not clued in on the gbajue you remain a part of.

Kobojunkie:
Look, Christianity is one big system that operates exactly the same no matter which of the over 46,000 factions of it you belong to. That you are under some delusion that your faction sets you apart from all of the others means you still are not clued in on the gbajue you remain a part of.

I BELONG to no faction...,cos no faction brought Christ to me... Christ found me by himself

FreeSpirited:
➜I BELONG to no faction...,cos no faction brought Christ to me... Christ found me by himself

Storyland! 🙄🙄

I know you people don't like to critically review the statements you blurt out in defense of your beliefs, but I still hope. You claim to be a Christian, meaning you belong to the system of religion created by men dogs, aka non-Israelites, after the death of the man whom they pretend they have connections to. The ideas you hold regarding your belief come not from the book that records the life and teachings of the man named Jesus Christ of Israel but from the many doctrines and dogmas of the men who man the religion of Christianity. To add to all of this, you look to these same men for ideas on applicable principles for your belief whenever possible. How can you possibly expect to convince anyone that you are not of one of the 10's of thousands of factions that comprise this same religion? 🙄🙄

Do I even have fait

I live by his faith..google this to get the verse

Kobojunkie:
Storyland! 🙄🙄

I know you people don't like to critically review the statements you blurt out in defense of your beliefs, but I still hope. You claim to be a Christian, meaning you belong to the system of religion created by men dogs, aka non-Israelites, after the death of the man whom they pretend they have connections to. The ideas you hold regarding your belief come not from the book that records the life and teachings of the man named Jesus Christ of Israel but from the many doctrines and dogmas of the men who man the religion of Christianity. To add to all of this, you look to these same men for ideas on applicable principles for your belief whenever possible. How can you possibly expect to convince anyone that you are not of one of the 10's of thousands of factions that comprise this same religion? 🙄🙄

U are obviously projecting ur theological paranoid complex on everyone. U must be the only one capable of independent Bible Christian thought! even though most of ur biblical positions are heavily flawed. Nonsense.

Religious Christianity, cultural Christianity, Biblical Christianity are all a thing.....how u like to categorize everyone into one corner of cultural and religious Christianity is both delusional and cynically clownish of u. U can continue to wallow in ur intellectual and religious superiority complex.....I have nothing to prove to u.....For decades of my life I was a skeptic, afterwards, no one influenced my decision to become a Christian and no one will influence what I believe aside what I chose to believe by personal conviction or encounter from the scriptures. Any other consideration is your problem.

NomoreKobo:
HE will not answer all your prayers; but how Blessed are you if you find favour in HIS sight!

Your personal goal in life has nothing to do with the God of Abraham, He has His own program which all those having faith in Him held onto so it's His program they are working towards as He is leading them as His coworkers not that each person is seeking what pleases him or her then expecting the God of Abraham to support their personal goal in life.

Abraham had His own life to live when this God called and told him the work He has for Abraham and his descendants so it's whoever support that program among the descendants of Abraham that truly have faith in this God not that each of them is pursuing his own goal in life anticipating support from this God.

Kobojunkie:
. Essentially, your every action is justified, no matter what, by the will of your God, right? WuWei, right?

The Creator told Abram that his descendants will be slaves in a foreign land for so n so number of years, yeah?

Young Moses, being a zealot Israelite at heart wanted to free his enslaved brothers by the might of his hands, what happened? He didn't succeed. He had to flee Egypt for a long while.

But when it was the will and appointed time of the Creator to free the enslaved Israelites, Moses went peacefully with the mandate of the Creator and he prevailed.

What he couldn't achieve while he was young and full of youthful strength and a touch of royal glamour, he achieved when he was pretty passed his youth. You know, he was 80yrs.

So, in doing the will of the Creator (which was the core of the question I commented on), one must allow the Creator to present HIS will, and you just follow it, rather than present your own will to the father and press upon HIM to execute it for you.

Therefore, your interpretation of my commentary is rather off the point, I must say.

Kobojunkie:
Essentially, this is another way of saying your deity accepts pretty much anything you throw at him since, after all, even your every behavior is all according to his will, so you all justified by him?

You are a classic religious soul, man!

I hope to GOD you re-read what I wrote up there, and 'edit' this response of yours, coz it is indeed off point.

Where is "justification/ justified" implied in my comment?

MaxInDHouse:
Your personal goal in life has nothing to do with the God of Abraham, He has His own program which all those having faith in Him held onto so it's His program they are working towards as He is leading them as His coworkers not that each person is seeking what pleases him or her then expecting the God of Abraham to support their personal goal in life.

Abraham had His own life to live when this God called and told him the work He has for Abraham and his descendants so it's whoever support that program among the descendants of Abraham that truly have faith in this God not that each of them is pursuing his own goal in life anticipating support from this God.

Example 1
David: Dear GOD make I build temple for you,

The Creator: No, bloody too much for your hand-your son go build am.

Example 2

Jesus Christ: Please Father if it is possible allow this cup to pass over me.
But Him being GOD-the l-Son, quickly adjusted saying; Let not my will but your will be done, Father.

Example 3

Moses: (for the umpteenth time) Abba, I beg, make I enter the promise land na.

The Creator: I say no! Nor ask me again, I don warn you for the last time.

Example 4

Abraham : My Maker, abeg spare Sodom and Gomorrah na.

The Creator: I say no!


Example 5


King David : My LORD and My GOD, abeg, spare the life of this baby na me do bad nor be the child.

The Creator: uhmmm No! (The grieve and the sadness will be part of your "punishment".)

The above examples is what I meant by the part of my comment your quoted👆🏾

In conclusion, Every single one of us humans is pursuing his or her personal goals and interests. Aligning with the grand plan GOD whenever it is presented to us in different stages of our lives is what makes us righteous.

And also your interpretation of who truly has the faith of GOD is debatable.

NomoreKobo:
And also your interpretation of who truly has the faith of GOD is debatable.

Your answer is found in Jesus' statement.
It's not what you want but what God say is best.

Faith has to do with what God say is the best so if you want to prove how faithful you are then you must study the Bible to know God's will and find out how you can straighten your way in harmony with God's will.

He is not going to change His program for you rather you are the one who will find the way to join those doing God's will!

NomoreKobo:
I hope to GOD you re-read what I wrote up there, and 'edit' this response of yours, coz it is indeed off point.
Where is "justification/ justified" implied in my comment?

But of course it is implied that because , according to you, all is according to the Will of your deity, then every action you take is justified in your little equation of faith there. You probably should read through your own list yourself to realize that is the sum of what you posted.

Kobojunkie:
But of course it is implied that because , according to you, [[s]b]all[/b] is according to the Will of your deity[/s], then every action you take is justified in your little equation of faith there. You probably should read through your own list yourself to realize that is the sum of what you posted.

Here is an Analogy for you...

In the grand plan of the Creator, it has been approved that I will be in Nigeria come end of this year.

But due to my own free will-personal interest and goal; I actively start pursuing a US visa. I have the funds, I have the idea,so the time is right for me. Then I pray and commit everything into the hands of GOD .Make Baba GOD grant me success.

But at the end of the year, my Visa pursuit ends in futility, and I am denied the Visa.

Naturally, I go cry to Baba GOD "But Baba I pray and fasted for this Visa to work, I even gave a seed, why did you fail me. My faith was strong, I believed you had given me the Visa already..."

So tell me, where is the justification in that my personal pursuit and how is it evident that all is the will of the Father?

You do understand that, in this contest, Will is a pattern in the midst of a whole and not the whole in general, right?

Your use of the word justified in this whole discussion is intriguing to me.

NomoreKobo:
➜Here is an Analogy for you... In the grand plan of the Creator, it has been approved that I will be in Nigeria come end of this year. But due to my own free will-personal interest and goal; I actively start pursuing a US visa. I have the funds, I have the idea,so the time is right for me. Then I pray and commit everything into the hands of GOD .Make Baba GOD grant me success. But at the end of the year, my Visa pursuit ends in futility, and I am denied the Visa. Naturally, I go cry to Baba GOD "But Baba I pray and fasted for this Visa to work, I even gave a seed, why did you fail me. My faith was strong, I believed you had given me the Visa already..."
So tell me, where is the justification in that my personal pursuit and how is it evident that all is the will of the Father? You do understand that, in this contest, Will is a pattern in the midst of a whole and not the whole in general, right? Your use of the word justified in this whole discussion is intriguing to me.

With this, you should probably go back through your initial post and revise many of the claims you made since this seems to run counter to the claims you made there.

NomoreKobo:
➜If I explain my Believe in GOD, some may interpret it as nihilism, or what's worse, lack of faith.
[b]Here is my believe in GOD.
⚈I believe in HIM so much that I dread my existence, because His Will for my life trumps my own "free will"
⚈I believe in HIM so much that I may be having the worse time ever, but deep down I know He loves me.
⚈I believe in HIM so much that I have come to the realisation that wether I live a comfortable life (of my choice) or a life of poverty (that I detest), HIS love for me remains undiminished.
⚈I have come to realise that believing in HIM does not me I will be rich, or healthy, nor successfully. I could be the poorest man alive and yet his love for me will be just the same as the Love HE has for my LORD and CHRIST, Jesus.
⚈The Arabic statement " insha'Allah" best describes my believe in GOD. i.e ... If HE wills; I live. If HE wills; I die. But HIS steadfast love for me is undeniable.
⚈The ways of the LORD GOD Almighty is just too mysterious.
⚈HE will not answer all your prayers; but how Blessed are you if you find favour in HIS sight![/b]

Here's a scenario for you to possibly play around with. That your deity does not answer all of your prayers means that you may not even be privy to his grand plan at all, so essentially, all actions are born of your free and personal will— not your deity's grand plan. Do you see where this is going?

NomoreKobo:
➜The Creator told Abram that his descendants will be slaves in a foreign land for so n so number of years, yeah? Young Moses, being a zealot Israelite at heart wanted to free his enslaved brothers by the might of his hands, what happened? He didn't succeed. He had to flee Egypt for a long while. But when it was the will and appointed time of the Creator to free the enslaved Israelites, Moses went peacefully with the mandate of the Creator and he prevailed. What he couldn't achieve while he was young and full of youthful strength and a touch of royal glamour, he achieved when he was pretty passed his youth. You know, he was 80yrs.
➜So, in doing the will of the Creator (which was the core of the question I commented on), one must allow the Creator to present HIS will, and you just follow it, rather than present your own will to the father and press upon HIM to execute it for you.
Therefore, your interpretation of my commentary is rather off the point, I must say.

1. This na the main religious story telling wey dey give person headache. 😩😩😩 😩 😩

So, are you insinuating that Moses spent 40 years doing absolutely nothing or doing other things before this mandate came to him? Did the mandate come as a result of things Moses did during those 40 years? or did it come despite the things that Moses did during those 40 years in the desert?

2. What about the day-to-day activities/actions of human beings? Are those of no relevance where this idea of your creator is concerned?

Kobojunkie:
1. This na the main religious story telling wey dey give person headache. 😩😩😩 😩 😩

So, are you insinuating that Moses spent 40 years doing absolutely nothing or doing other things before this mandate came to him? Did the mandate come as a result of things Moses did during those 40 years? or did it come despite the things that Moses did during those 40 years in the desert?

2. What about the day-to-day activities/actions of human beings? Are those of no relevance where this idea of your creator is concerned?

I say NomoreKobo, you say you be kobojunkie...oya na

On a more serious note, this will be the first time you are asking pertinent questions and making pertinent statements, as per the discussion on ground.

1st Answer: Moses did nothing and and also did other things during those 40 years period

*In doing other things: Moses got married. Moses became a Father. Moses was a shepherd. Moses was living what one could term a normal dessert live

*In doing nothing: He didn't start training as a guerrilla soldier to liberate his people. He did not start a rebel army.

Moses had been declared a special child from the day he was born...Hence the reason he survived the holocaust carried out by Pharaoh against the new born male child of the Israelites in Egypt.

He had a mandate.

The mandate came as a result of the things he did and also despite whatever he did in The desert.

As a result of what he did reasons- Moses was always in communication with his people in Israel through his elder brother Aaron and perhaps... i.e maybe through other sources. So he always had the burden of the enslaved people of Israel at heart.

Despite what he did resasons- Moses got married,Settled down and became a professional herder.

2nd Arsenal: Humans will always go about their business-persomal interest and goals, But when the Creator calls you, just Answer. Or try to be in place where you can answer... Like don't kill your neighbour so dat you won't get lynched to death. Don't become an effeminate man-that is an abomination to the Creator.

Moses did a lot of things and didn't do a whole lot of things, but when the Creator called in the burning bush, he answered! Howbeit with a little bit of persuasion and magic. But he answered.


Answer like,Samuel
Answer like, Elisha
Answer like, Isaiah
Answer like, Peter and Co.

Remember the rich young ruler Jesus Christ called? Well he didn't answer.

This is why I say over and over that you religious folks are ever writing your own books as your claims never fit with what is. in fact, written in Israelite Scripture. 😩😩😩😩

NomoreKobo:
➜I say NomoreKobo, you say you be kobojunkie...oya na On a more serious note, this will be the first time you are asking pertinent questions and making pertinent statements, as per the discussion on ground. 1st Answer: Moses did nothing and and also did other things during those 40 years period
*In doing other things: Moses got married. Moses became a Father. Moses was a shepherd. Moses was living what one could term a normal dessert live
*In doing nothing: He didn't start training as a guerrilla soldier to liberate his people. He did not start a rebel army.
Moses had been declared a special child from the day he was born...Hence the reason he survived the holocaust carried out by Pharaoh against the new born male child of the Israelites in Egypt.
He had a mandate. The mandate came as a result of the things he did and also despite whatever he did in The desert.
As a result of what he did reasons- Moses was always in communication with his people in Israel through his elder brother Aaron and perhaps... i.e maybe through other sources. So he always had the burden of the enslaved people of Israel at heart. Despite what he did resasons- Moses got married,Settled down and became a professional herder.
➜2nd Arsenal: Humans will always go about their business-persomal interest and goals, But when the Creator calls you, just Answer. Or try to be in place where you can answer... Like don't kill your neighbour so dat you won't get lynched to death. Don't become an effeminate man-that is an abomination to the Creator.
➜Moses did a lot of things and didn't do a whole lot of things, but when the Creator called in the burning bush, he answered! Howbeit with a little bit of persuasion and magic. But he answered.
➜Answer like,Samuel, Answer like, Elisha, Answer like, Isaiah, Answer like, Peter and Co.
➜ Remember the rich young ruler Jesus Christ called? Well he didn't answer.

According to you, all the things that Moses did — Moses was always in communication with his people in Israel through his elder brother Aaron and perhaps... i.e maybe through other sources. So he always had the burden of the enslaved people of Israel at heart; Moses got married, settled down, and became a professional herder — which are things a majority do, and these had no real impact on the mandate, meaning they were things that were justified— they did not count against him at all, right? You claim that the only thing that had a real impact was that he was born Moses, abi?

2. And this almighty of yours can call any random human being anywhere trying to do any of those things you listed, is that it?

3. So, your creator, for no other reason except that Moses was born a special child to carry out a mandate, decided, after 80 years, to call Moses to a place regarded as a place? That is your story?

4. Um.... your story regarding Moses does not fit with what is in fact wertten of Him by the Isrealites, so, I don't expect your story regarding Samuel, and the rest to fit either.

5. But there was no mandate given by Jesus Christ of Israel to a rich young leader.

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Kobojunkie:
[s]This is why I say over and over that you religious folks are ever writing your own books as your claims never fit with what is. in fact, written in Israelite Scripture. 😩😩😩😩[/s]

I could not comprehend anything up here👆🏾.Please make me understand.

According to you, all the things that Moses did — Moses was always in communication with his people in Israel through his elder brother Aaron and perhaps... i.e maybe through other sources. So he always had the burden of the enslaved people of Israel at heart; Moses got married, settled down, and became a professional herder — which are things a majority do, and these had no real impact on the mandate, meaning they were things that were justified— they did not count against him at all, right? You claim that the only thing that had a real impact was that he was born Moses, abi? [/quote]Can you use a synonym of the word justified in your next comment, because I still fail to understand it's relevance here.
And where or when did I say that the only thing that had a real impact is because he was born Moses?

2. And this almighty of yours can call any random human being anywhere trying to do any of those things you listed, is that it? [/quote]To me, you are just a random guy online, a faceless fellow Nigerian that I do not know or care about. But to your parents, you are have an intricate value. You are not a random guy. In fact I believe your parents will be miffed with anyone who calls out to you "Hey random guy" in their presence. Therefore to the Creator no one is random.

3. So, your creator, for no other reason except that Moses was born a special child to carry out a mandate, decided, after 80 years, to call Moses to a place regarded as a place? That is your story? [/quote]If you indeed read my previous comment with reference to Abram, you would have seen the irrelevance of the above question or statement.

4. Um.... your story regarding Moses does not fit with what is in fact wertten of Him by the Isrealites, so, I don't expect your story regarding Samuel, and the rest to fit either. [/quote]Please enlighten me about what was actually written concerning Moses by the Israelites.This is not a rhetorical plea, I am indeed serious.

5. But there was no mandate given by Jesus Christ of Israel to a rich young leader. [/quote]What is the correlation between this statement👆🏾 and the matter in discuss? I can't even fathom whatever message you were trying to pass through it.

NomoreKobo:
1. I could not comprehend anything up here👆🏾.Please make me understand .
2. Can you use a synonym of the word justified in your next comment, because I still fail to understand it's relevance here. And where or when did I say that the only thing that had a real impact is because he was born Moses?
3. To me, you are just a random guy online, a faceless fellow Nigerian that I do not know or care about. But to your parents, you are have an intricate value. You are not a random guy. In fact I believe your parents will be miffed with anyone who calls out to you "Hey random guy" in their presence. Therefore to the Creator no one is random.
4. If you indeed read my previous comment with reference to Abram, you would have seen the irrelevance of the above question or statement.
5. Please enlighten me about what was actually written concerning Moses by the Israelites.This is not a rhetorical plea, I am indeed serious.[/b]
6. What is the correlation between this statement👆🏾 and the matter in discuss? I can't even fathom whatever message you were trying to pass through it.

1. The story you tell of Moses and all the rest do not line up with what is written of them in Israelite Scripture. I find myself needing to depend on you to fill in the gaps in the story you continue to tell.

2. Make legitimate/rationalize/Vindicate....Recall here that your story did not state that this creator of yours contacted Moses before his 80th birthday. There had to be justification to explain the sudden contacting of him after he had turned 80 years of age. There had to be some catalyst to explain the sudden communication— a justification of sorts— after 80 long years of none.

According to you, what Moses did during those 40 years that he was not attempting to save his people mattered little to nothing since he was a special child born to carry out a special mission by your creator. That invariably means that even if Moses had also been involved in, say, the illegal trading of slaves or drugs during that time, it wouldn't have mattered because at the appointed time, he would have been called by your creator and sent off on the mission to rescue his people anyways, right?

3. My parents are not gods— they are humans like myself; hence, they are random people too. If your creator does not consider people random beings, then what about the man that Moses killed? Did you creator specially assign for him to die at the hands of Moses? Was it his mission to die at the hands of Moses? Was that an act rationalized in that sense or something?

4. The reference to a person called Abram is meaningless since you seem to be writing your own stories. You would need to fill me in on the details regarding your particular Abram for me to better understand what other weight that reference is meant to carry.

5. The book instead says that Moses of Israel, like his ancestors, had to abide by YHWH's every commandment and statute to become holy and then justified by Him, YHWH, the God of Israel. Moses' ancestor, Abraham, did the same— the faith He had is as a result of His careful submission and obedience to every one of YHWH's commandments and statutes (Genesis 25 vs 3-5)- it was not of chance or circumstance. In the Book, YHWH's requirement of men is that they first be justified by Him, and His Law is the standard by which that justification is obtained by men. If Moses had not learned of the God of His Fathers and done that which He commanded, He would not have become a holy man and would hence not have been invited by the God of His Fathers to walk the holy ground. If Moses had become a holy man before his 80th birthday, there was no reason specified in scripture for why Moses could not have been called at that point, too, given the prophecy that was given to Abraham was of a period, not an exact date.

Your own story seems to chuck what happened to Moses to chance and circumstance; you say he was born special, and it was just for that reason that he was called up at age 80 to lead his people.

6. Is Jesus Christ of Israel the creator who gave Moses a mission?

5. But there was no mandate given by Jesus Christ of Israel to a rich young leader. [/quote]

oh! Now I understand this statement after reading your latest comment.

Yes. There was a mandate. (Matthew 19 vs 21). "Follow me" was the mandate.