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pansophist:
This is a heavy one, nice submission.

Looking at the US situation, the hegemon is in a difficult position to maintain, sustain, and surpress other powers.

Because I honestly do not see how the US will regain its position as it was in the 90's. That era is long gone, and most importantly, hegemonism is an anomaly. Its a fluke, abnormality. and a mistake of history.

Especially when it was abused, and such abused is a feature of hegemonism, instead of being a bug. I believe that hegemons who are responsible can be loved by their subjects.

I dont know if there are any historical proof to support this, but I see position of power as a function. Just like a father to his child. The child may be subjected to the control of his father, but such relational dynamic can not be said to be abusive.

Hegemonism can only thrive in a absolute scenerio where other players lacks the inherent means to be a challenger, like how a chicken will never in a billion years, defeat a tiger.

In truth, every people on earth, if they get their act together, can work and be a formidable contender. China did this, India can and Africa also. This truth is acknowledge by the US foreign policy who have an pathological need to surpress others from rising up, and create political structure (rule-base-order) where such servility must be the default to all countries.

How long can such surpression last? especially when the whole world have awaken from their slumber and defiance is growing, and with the internal armies of frustrated citizens who prefer that their US govt should focus internally instead of policing the world.

The only way hegemonism can work or as they call it, the end of history is if only the US have nukes. The fate of Japan would have been the fate of any defiant countries, without fear of repercussions.

But joyfully, such reality was prevented by uncelebrated heroes like 'Klaus Emil Julius Fuchs' who passed the secrets to make nukes to the soviets, to make sure the world is not at the mercy of one superpower.

I only imagine what our world of today will be like if the ability to make nukes is only in the hands of Washington, and other contenders have been obliterated like Japan.

Such a sad day it would be for the world.

All eras have start and end dates.
The preceding era is peculiar because the Hegemony convinced itself that humanity had arrived at "the end of history".

This viewpoint made the Hegemony feel secure enough to admit China into the WTO.
In a sense, the Hegemony tripped and knocked the dominoes resulting in China's rise and the demise of its unipolar order.

They've since realized their error, eaten crow, and are reverting to the mean.
Competing and hoping to outlast rival blocs.

After Alexander died, the Greeks still ran the Old World for centuries more.
To be clear, I am not making definitive prognostications about the future.

Alexander hit a brick wall in India.
The Romans knew about China.
It took 2000 years for them to perfect their Asia domination plans.
Execution was flawless. And until China's entry into the WTO with Western blessing; the Hegemony chose the winners and losers in Asia.

No astute student of history would see the West take a beating and assume they're down and out or are terminally ill.
When they retire to their lair to recuperate and restrategize.
That's when you should worry. That's when you should be more vigilant.

I am confident that China will meet the challenge.
But I had to put it out there that this new season of the perennial Great Power competition will be epic and that the Hegemony will not pull punches.

-Lord

Gerrard59:
One of the phenomena that used to "bother" me was why the West is much against the Chinese notwithstanding the colonial dehumanisation China went through in their hands. Then I recalled how Japan's wings were clipped and while going through Trump's staff during his first tenure (way before the 2024 election), I came across an official (one of the rare black officials) who clearly stated that unlike the Soviet Union or Russia as we know it to be, China is not "Western", aka Caucasian aka White. And unlike the Soviets who didn't run a proper economy, the Chinese do. So, it is the first time the US has faced a great power that is not White. Japan could have been that power, but it had military bases after being hit TWICE by the same US. As a result, it signed the Plaza Accord which wrecked its economy. Also, it had a smaller geographical mass, a smaller population compared to China and no nuclear weapons. All of which are opposite to China.

So at the end of the day, race plays a major part. This is why I agree with some folks who say Trump and Elon are willing to "work" with a fellow White/Caucasian country - Russia - to get back at China. Whether the Russians would do so is yet to be seen.
Comments by the former official (Kiron Skinner):
- https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/02/the-slip-that-revealed-the-real-trump-doctrine/
- https://www.newsweek.com/china-threat-state-department-race-caucasian-1413202

I wouldn't throw race in the mix.
The US is the dominant Western economic powerhouse.
Russia can give it a bloody nose militarily, but it has no fear of being upstaged economically by Russia during times of peace.

In a unipolar order, Russia would be a target because the Hegemony simply cannot tolerate any pretender, real or imagined, historical ally or foe.
They must all be throttled.
In a multipolar world, the Hegemony does not want to be public enemy #1. It cannot have all the blocs united against it.
It has to drive wedges and pull certain blocs closer to its orbit. It wouldn't necessarily dictate to them, but there'll be some sort of understanding.

The hegemony hopes to get into such an armistice with Russia.
Trump floating Russia's return to the G7 is part of this gambit.
This outreach will not be limited to Russia and by extension its Eurasian bloc. It will intensify towards the Gulf and Southeast Asia blocs.

Would it be effective? To some degree, yes.
China still trades with the US.
Everyone else would.

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What does anyone think of Modi's visit to the Oval Office? I know the West has tried bromancing with the Indians especially Modi who was once branded a terrorist (by the US) in a bid to get back at China. Thankfully, the Indians stood their ground during the unnecessary war between Russia and Ukraine. As we've seen, any country or country's elites that sacrifices itself for the US would ALWAYS lose. The recent events remind me of how I cautioned the Taiwanese I met months ago never to allow an outsider push him to fight his elder brother.

The three largest economies in 2100 will be China, the US, and India.
The three of them would dominate and account for more than 40% of the global GDP.

A strengthened China-India alliance (add Russia) is the boogeyman for the Hegemony.
It is essential to America's national security that China-India relations are tepid.
India will never want to be in China's shadow. So that leaves a perpetual opening for the Hegemony to send drunk 2 am texts.
The US can also get in there and attempt to Stuxnet India. Its network of NGOs, overly liberal Western-centric Fifth columnists, and other clandestine assets is quite formidable. It is in their interest to calibrate India's growth in a way that wasn't possible in Deng's China or Putin's Russia.

From 2010 to 2019, India's exports was stagnant at roughly $300B.
In the last five years, it 2.5x to almost $800B.
The Ukraine War contributed.

So you can see that lots of developments have the Hegemony spooked.
And they're scrambling to trim the list of powerful foes who could potentially coalesce to put a hex on them.
I think US and India will keep playing the "will they, won't they" game for the foreseeable future.
That next gear continues to elude India.
They're not part of the discussion in any of the prime next-gen competencies -- AI, Robotics, chips, autonomy...
Space and hypersonics were pretty much gifted by the Axis Powers.
As such, they'll have a dependency on both China, the West, and even Russia for sometime yet.

When you think about it, it is strange that India doesn't display more innovative verve.
Maybe time is on their side and they certainly have near-unlimited potential.

Truth be told, the Global South is lucky to have Putin, Xi, and Modi at the same time.
That's a rare W.
Part of the US charm offensive might be to have some input on who replaces Modi. What they'd give to sic a Buhari on India.

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Once again, sheer kudos to Pansophist who saw everything for what it was and it is. Russia wins. I owe you a gift, no jokes. Your arguments entirely changed my perspective and outlook. 🙌🏿

Pansophist is goated.

-Lord

LordAdam16:
When you think about it, it is strange that India doesn't display more innovative verve.
Maybe time is on their side and they certainly have near-unlimited potential.

When every top/elite Indian from the university aims to study and reside in the US/West, how would they? In contrast to their counterparts in Russia, China, Korea and Japan. The US sucks too many elite performers from developing countries at a very young age.

Truth be told, the Global South is lucky to have Putin, Xi, and Modi at the same time.
That's a rare W.
Part of the US charm offensive might be to have some input on who replaces Modi. What they'd give to sic a Buhari on India.

Oh yes! They tried with it this Indonesia and failed. The Economist was at the forefront and I was glad Indonesians saw the handwriting on the wall. Imagine promoting the third candidate who stood no chance as the brightest to win. India could be susceptible because of some of the factors you listed. Hopefully, Modi and Co reduce their foreign influences and most importantly, funding. He and Putin should not quickly forget the bad and inhumane treatment they got from the West.

Gerrard59:
When every top/elite Indian from the university aims to study and reside in the US/West, how would they? In contrast to their counterparts in Russia, China, Korea and Japan. The US sucks too many elite performers from developing countries at a very young age.

This is a contributing factor to be sure.

But India is not some average country where you strip off the top 10% and you've made a really huge dent.
The West cannot absorb all of its top talent. Certainly not the top 20% at any time.

Emigration is also supposed to be a boon.
You may recall peak GEJ 2011 - 2014 era when Diasporans wanted a piece of the action and were eager to contribute in any way.
India has consistently had that for more than a decade.
Noida is a product of that.

Here's a telling example.
India dominates B2B tech services with its GCCs and native IT giants.
They've enjoyed this pole position for more than two decades now.

Tell you what, if China had that much of a dominance in B2B tech services, there'd be large parts of the tech ecosystem that would be distinctly Chinese. They'll corner it and the rest of us would just have to deal with it.
More importantly, they'd deliver homegrown best-in-class software in several verticals.
Not simply cheaper, which Indian software generally are, but like objectively and leagues better than anything else globally.

The TikTok algorithm is genius.
India should have given the planet something of the sort to match how much know how and expertise they should have amassed over two decades.
That's what I mean by innovative verve.

Like there's no such thing as Indian product excellence and it's wild to me.
They're for the most part doing the same assembling sh*t that Malaysia and Vietnam can do.
Innovation is a trickle or not noteworthy.
India should have its own DeepSeek. It should have its own Spot (Boston Dynamic Robot Dog).
They got in early on the IT game, recognized its value, but have not done much with it.

I have to say that it's not like all is lost.
What I talk about is part of India's potential, and when they get going, realizing these opportunities will contribute to a projected $50T economy.

Still, India needs to step up big time.
It should not all rest on China's shoulders. They should lighten the load.
Imagine for a second if India had a legacy chip industry. Or had made breakthroughs in indigenous aerospace engine development. China and the rest of the Global South would have a backstop if the Hegemony gets too aggressive with tech controls.

Oh yes! They tried with it this Indonesia and failed. The Economist was at the forefront and I was glad Indonesians saw the handwriting on the wall. Imagine promoting the third candidate who stood no chance as the brightest to win. India could be susceptible because of some of the factors you listed. Hopefully, Modi and Co reduce their foreign influences and most importantly, funding. He and Putin should not quickly forget the bad and inhumane treatment they got from the West.

There's not much Modi can do unfortunately.

It's the curse of democracy.
For developed countries with strong institutions and established trajectories, the change in guard is not that much of an issue because there's a framework to abide by. If a German Chancellor says he wants to leave NATO, his own party would denounce him.
For the developing world, we have to hold our breath every time a new President or PM is sworn in. It's a miracle to have back-to-back-to-back excellent administrators.

Even if Modi tries to crack down on foreign influencers, they'll just hibernate until his term ends.

-Lord

The Chinese don't give a fvck about tariffs: https://x.com/haugejostein/status/1896864205699240383

In other words, bring it on baby!

It is good to have intelligent elites! If I were Chinese, I would have had an orgasm watching that video!

It is official baby! Just as I predicted inside of me after the previous comment.

Bring it on! All die na die!

https://x.com/ChineseEmbinUS/status/1897132043362034153

I won't lie, I were a Chinese, I for don cum!!!

"Intimidation does not scare us. Bullying does not work on us. If war is what the U.S. wants, be it a tariff war, a trade war or any other type of war, we’re ready to fight till the end."

Pansophist, walai ta lai, I must gift you in the nearest future.

My Geopolitical Leader!

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I recalled when I stated that the only way Black people can gain respect is to be wealthy: https://www.nairaland.com/5886610/racism-against-blacks-reduce-drastically This is the reason. If anyone talks bad to you, you talk back at the person equally or even greater. No one has the monopoly to be mad. If someone wants to be mad at you, you teach the person how to be mad.

Be like China! Gain financial independence and respect.

Gerrard59:
It is official baby! Just as I predicted inside of me after the previous comment.

Bring it on! All die na die!

https://x.com/ChineseEmbinUS/status/1897132043362034153

So now the US has Canada, Mexico, China and the whole of EU against it (plus the UK)

Trump is a dummy in chief
How did America get itself in this predicament

This is the first time other countries are OPENLY calling Americas bluff....
To think the American right wing are still gloating and "raising shoulder " even shows that a lot of Americans are not well educated and sensible

Gerrard59:
The Chinese don't give a fvck about tariffs: https://x.com/haugejostein/status/1896864205699240383

In other words, bring it on baby!

It is good to have intelligent elites! If I were Chinese, I would have had an orgasm watching that video!

What makes Chinese tariffs more dangerous is that I can tell u based on first hand info that China has the BEST trade policy team on planet earth

They will craft a retaliatory strike and it will "wound" you
Yes, the Chinese economy is ailing, but they still have leverage, and it's only a pvssy that won't retaliate when tackled

Trudeau calls the action DUMB and dropped his own
China own dey come
Macron warned in Washington that Europe will strike
Mexican president na craze woman
That one dey threaten

Which kain wahala be dis now

RodgersAkpafu:
What makes Chinese tariffs more dangerous is that I can tell u based on first hand info that China has the BEST trade policy team on planet earth

They will craft a retaliatory strike and it will "wound" you
Yes, the Chinese economy is ailing, but they still have leverage, and it's only a pvssy that won't retaliate when tackled

Trudeau calls the action DUMB and dropped his own
China own dey come
Macron warned in Washington that Europe will strike
Mexican president na craze woman
That one dey threaten

Which kain wahala be dis now

Well, the US has been poking the eyes of China across both parties. What surprises me is why Donald and his team are attacking his allies. Abi he thinks Russia would quickly forget the agony and shame it suffered since the fall of the Soviet Union?

Well, it is also good that the US and the greater West know that enough is enough. They cannot bully everyone and go scot-free.

Gerrard59:
Well, the US has been poking the eyes of China across both parties. What surprises me is why Donald and his team are attacking his allies. Abi he thinks Russia would quickly forget the agony and shame it suffered since the fall of the Soviet Union?

Well, it is also good that the US and the greater West know that enough is enough. They cannot bully everyone and go scot-free.

"enough is enough"
I laugh

Gerrard59:
I won't lie, I were a Chinese, I for don cum!!!

"Intimidation does not scare us. Bullying does not work on us. If war is what the U.S. wants, be it a tariff war, a trade war or any other type of war, we’re ready to fight till the end."

Pansophist, walai ta lai, I must gift you in the nearest future.

My Geopolitical Leader!

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I recalled when I stated that the only way Black people can gain respect is to be wealthy: https://www.nairaland.com/5886610/racism-against-blacks-reduce-drastically This is the reason. If anyone talks bad to you, you talk back at the person equally or even greater. No one has the monopoly to be mad. If someone wants to be mad at you, you teach the person how to be mad.

Be like China! Gain financial independence and respect.

You still never ask for my akant number this man. When you go give me this thing, eh Gerrard?

Gerrard59:
It is official baby! Just as I predicted inside of me after the previous comment.

Bring it on! All die na die!

https://x.com/ChineseEmbinUS/status/1897132043362034153

China is not known to speak in such manners. Their Confucianist roots has a deep hold on the Chinese political elites.

They rather prove by actions, than words.

For Chinese MFA to speak in such a tone, I tell you, China is truly ready to rain hell. The US knows this.

Let the US just do quick and cross the Chinese redline jare, make China beat them and completely usher in a new global system. The so calles ''rule base order'' has been a disaster to the planet, even to westerners themselves.

Because at the end, evil always destroy itself.

pansophist:
China is not known to speak in such manners. Their Confucianist roots has a deep hold on the Chinese political elites.

They rather prove by actions, than words. For Chinese MFA to speak in such a tone, I tell you, China is truly ready to rain hell. The US knows this. Let the US just do quick and cross the Chinese redline jare, make China beat them and completely usher in a new global system. The so calles ''rule base order'' has been a disaster to the planet, even to westerners themselves.

Because at the end, evil always destroy itself.

Initially, I thought it was a joke and had to re-look at the Twitter handle thrice. I was stunned, but extremely proud of the tweet. They had to even retweet the embedded tweet twice with similar words. Man, that tweet made my yesterday. I was so proud!

Gerrard59:
Initially, I thought it was a joke and had to re-look at the Twitter handle thrice. I was stunned, but extremely proud of the tweet. They had to even retweet the embedded tweet twice with similar words. Man, that tweet made my yesterday. I was so proud!

The video is no youtube. Follow shanghaiEye news channel.

pansophist:
The video is no youtube. Follow shanghaiEye news channel.

Please I send you a dm, kindly respond. Thank you.

mercy87:
Please I send you a dm, kindly respond. Thank you.

I've seen your email. I'll get back to you tomorrow latest.

Just putting this here:

This is a Kenyan praising the infrastructural investments by the Chinese throughout the country. A big contrast to the swathe of "development aid and humanitarian" organisations that litter the country. It reminds me of a tweet that stated (paraphrased) "if the highest paying jobs in a country are NGOs related, then something is wrong with its economy".

A link that dispels the tittle-tattle of developing countries being soaked in Chinese debt: https://www.chathamhouse.org/2020/08/debunking-myth-debt-trap-diplomacy

pansophist:
I've seen your email. I'll get back to you tomorrow latest.

I am curious, what is your opinion on the DRC leaders changing focus to Washington from Beijing? Recently, the president offered the US its minerals in exchange for peace mediation with Rwanda. Now, a Chinese company was refused acquisition rights in a cobalt mine even though the private firms involved agreed amongst themselves. Do you think China should be more assertive in protecting its investments and deals with countries? Some say this will stretch the country as the USSR. However, I do think this is an Achilles heel the West especially the US will take advantage of. As it is, going forward, deals by Chinese companies in the DRC will become tougher to execute and more could be revoked.

See here: https://x.com/houseforeigngop/status/1894531642712006848?s=46 and eventually, it got blocked: https://archive.md/fu3RT (Trafigura-Backed Congo Cobalt Miner Scraps Sale to Chinese Firm).

cc: LordAdam16

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Gerrard59:
I am curious, what is your opinion on the DRC leaders changing focus to Washington from Beijing? Recently, the president offered the US its minerals in exchange for peace mediation with Rwanda. Now, a Chinese company was refused acquisition rights in a cobalt mine even though the private firms involved agreed amongst themselves. Do you think China should be more assertive in protecting its investments and deals with countries? Some say this will stretch the country as the USSR. However, I do think this is an Achilles heel the West especially the US will take advantage of. As it is, going forward, deals by Chinese companies in the DRC will become tougher to execute and more could be revoked.

See here: https://x.com/houseforeigngop/status/1894531642712006848?s=46 and eventually, it got blocked: https://archive.md/fu3RT (Trafigura-Backed Congo Cobalt Miner Scraps Sale to Chinese Firm).

cc: LordAdam16

DR Congo leaders have accepted that realpolitik rules, not the so called ''rule base order''.

If they want the war to stop, they must acquiesce to Washington, and be on its side in the geopolitical battle with China.

But again, the job a country refuse to do today will hunt them later. As big as DRC Congo is, its a shame that they do not have direct roads to the border regions for soldiers to properly defend.

Their politicians are amongst the world most highly paid. The country is huge by circumstances, and have not done anything to be strong and to defend itself from tiny Rwanda.

Multipolarism is just another name for democratic countries vs undemocratic countries. People who support China, Iran, North Korea, Russia etc, also support undemocratic totalitarian dictatorship.

We who support USA, EU, Israel, Japan etc, also support competitive multi-party democracy.

Like-minded countries flock together because birds of the same feather flock together.

But people who support undemocratic countries should ask themselves what would happen if they defeat the democratic countries. Would they be happy with total dictatorship all over the world? Where they have no say in governance and politics?

So they should jejely repent and support our vision for total democracy throughout the world or expect physical defeat on ground.

Gerrard59:
I am curious, what is your opinion on the DRC leaders changing focus to Washington from Beijing? Recently, the president offered the US its minerals in exchange for peace mediation with Rwanda. Now, a Chinese company was refused acquisition rights in a cobalt mine even though the private firms involved agreed amongst themselves. Do you think China should be more assertive in protecting its investments and deals with countries? Some say this will stretch the country as the USSR. However, I do think this is an Achilles heel the West especially the US will take advantage of. As it is, going forward, deals by Chinese companies in the DRC will become tougher to execute and more could be revoked.

See here: https://x.com/houseforeigngop/status/1894531642712006848?s=46 and eventually, it got blocked: https://archive.md/fu3RT (Trafigura-Backed Congo Cobalt Miner Scraps Sale to Chinese Firm).

cc: Lord.Adam16

Policing is essential in civil and polite societies.
No such thing as a humming economic engine without security.

Current Chinese foreign policy forbids incorporating a security element to its bilateral economic relations.
It refuses to deploy military assets on the ground to protect Chinese expats and economic interests in Pakistan. Its next-door neighbor.
No chance it does so in DRC.

The other option is using Russia for muscle as was the case in Assad's Syria.
Unfortunately, the DRC has grown weary of Russia. The DRC Question has stumped the Kremlin for more than a decade.
The DRC has run out of moves. Continental powers are a mess. Nigeria, South Africa, Ethiopia/Kenya don't have the bandwidth. Egypt could care less.
They look at the Kurds in Syria and go, "you know what, that's not a bad arrangement".

There is a growing discomfort within the Axis about China's intransigence on security matters.
We habitually applaud China's geopolitical reticence. But this is the drawback.

-Lord

As you all know, Trump has tarrifed countries reciprocally with China being the hardest hit. Some weeks ago, I came across a video by a Chinese economist at Peking University who stated they expected a 60% tariffs. This was right after the first tariffs. So, now the tariffs have exceeded 60% as they expected.

So in this article on the FT "Trump’s aggressive push to roll back globalisation", in the comment section, many bash Trump for the tariffs, but this particular comment got my attention where he wrote that the aim is to prepare the US in the aspect of manufacturing for an eventual military conflict with China. In the linked video, the poster stated the ultimate plan will be to weaken the USD while maintaining its reserve status, get vassal states to sign to the USD in exchange for access to the US market and security while having China to consume more from the US. This deal comes across as similar to the Plaza Accord, which I have mentioned several times here. However, unlike the Plaza Accord - most of the complaints then are similar to present day China - Japan was and still a vassal state of the US especially in non-possession of nuclear weapons, hosting US military's bases and not as spread out as the Chinese in terms of critical mineral controls, access to wider markets, bigger tech developments/innovation and a huge manufacturing capabilities.

So, the question is: Would the Chinese sign a similar Plaza Accord or, as stated, a Mar-a-lago deal? My answer is an emphatic no.

But we would see how this goes.

Trump's Tweet: https://x.com/TrumpDailyPosts/status/1908499102473613666
Bessent's interview:

🚨 President Trump’s Tariffs Broke China

How can China respond to President Trump’s tariffs?
—— Bissent says he don’t think China can.

“The Chinese manufacturing system is like that old Disney movie, with the brooms carrying the buckets. That’s their business model…

When you… pic.twitter.com/jsYu7iuAho

— MJTruthUltra (@MJTruthUltra) April 5, 2025

The FT's article: https://www.ft. com/content/ed994477-a23a-4f48-9019-917b5dc51041
The linked Youtube video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ts5wJ6OfzA&t=868s

cc: pansophist, LordAdam16

Gerrard59:
As you all know, Trump has tarrifed countries reciprocally with China being the hardest hit. Some weeks ago, I came across a video by a Chinese economist at Peking University who stated they expected a 60% tariffs. This was right after the first tariffs. So, now the tariffs have exceeded 60% as they expected.

So in this article on the FT "Trump’s aggressive push to roll back globalisation", in the comment section, many bash Trump for the tariffs, but this particular comment got my attention where he wrote that the aim is to prepare the US in the aspect of manufacturing for an eventual military conflict with China. In the linked video, the poster stated the ultimate plan will be to weaken the USD while maintaining its reserve status, get vassal states to sign to the USD in exchange for access to the US market and security while having China to consume more from the US. This deal comes across as similar to the Plaza Accord, which I have mentioned several times here. However, unlike the Plaza Accord - most of the complaints then are similar to present day China - Japan was and still a vassal state of the US especially in non-possession of nuclear weapons, hosting US military's bases and not as spread out as the Chinese in terms of critical mineral controls, access to wider markets, bigger tech developments/innovation and a huge manufacturing capabilities.

So, the question is: Would the Chinese sign a similar Plaza Accord or, as stated, a Mar-a-lago deal? My answer is an emphatic no.

But we would see how this goes.

Trump's Tweet: https://x.com/TrumpDailyPosts/status/1908499102473613666
Bessent's interview:

🚨 President Trump’s Tariffs Broke China

How can China respond to President Trump’s tariffs?
—— Bissent says he don’t think China can.

“The Chinese manufacturing system is like that old Disney movie, with the brooms carrying the buckets. That’s their business model…

When you… pic.twitter.com/jsYu7iuAho

— MJTruthUltra (@MJTruthUltra) April 5, 2025

The FT's article: https://www.ft. com/content/ed994477-a23a-4f48-9019-917b5dc51041
The linked Youtube video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ts5wJ6OfzA&t=868s

cc: pan.sophist, Lord.Adam16

I'm on a rolling time crunch, so I can't go in depth.
I'll drop my holistic take on this monumental economic restructuring sometime next month.

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My philosophy, Mr President, is that all foreigners are out to screw us and it’s our job to screw them first.

Those revealing words were uttered by Treasury Secretary John Connally to President Nixon.
A few days later in the Summer of 1971, Nixon unleashed a cacophony of unorthodox economic actions anchored by the abolishment of the gold standard. We refer to the effect of these actions as the Nixon Shock.

America has a rich history of unilaterally f*cking with the contemporary economic system over the last century.
It did so in the 20s. Again after the end of WW2. Again in the 70s. Globalization after the Berlin Wall fell and Clinton ushered China into the WTO.
Of f*cking course, we're having an economic remodel. We get this every 20 to 30 years.

The target of course is China and the emerging Global South economic engine.
China saw it coming.
Recall when I mentioned Xi's intent to improve local consumption. Well, there you go. You need a market for your industrial output.
This gambit will buy the US time. 50% tariffs or whatever negotiated deal (which to be clear would mean some sort of concession to the US) is about the US trying to put itself in a better position to combat the China threat.

Ultimately, China should come ahead regardless of what the US throws at it.
But anyone who believed the US was just going to sleepwalk into oblivion was naïve.

So to answer your question: Yes, China will sign a deal.
But China is not Japan. There is no conceivable deal that would upend China's trajectory.
In fact, the US modest objective is to onshore and nearshore industrial capacity, open up the markets for this increased output, as well as improve its fiscal balance sheet, so it can keep pace with China and the Global South in the new Great Power competition.

I saw this coming. In fact, I favored it, which is one reason I supported Trump.
The US and indeed the Western Hegemony needs to be coaxed into accepting a diminished profile.
Russia's performance in the proxy war in Ukraine and BRICS steady ascent has forced them into the only move that gives them a chance.
It is up to the Global South to meet this new challenge. If you're entering a showdown with a civilization that has dominated for 2500 years, you should be prepared to face anything they unleash. It was never going to be a cakewalk.

-Lord

Gerrard59:
So, the question is: Would the Chinese sign a similar Plaza Accord or, as stated, a Mar-a-lago deal? My answer is an emphatic no.

No, China will not sign a similar accord, it is completely out of the question. The precedence are so overwhelming, I cant list them all.

You are referring to a country that fought and chased the US army back to the 38th parallel line in Korea, defeating the US decisively. China did this just a year after finishing its civil war that lasted for 20 years, and left the whole country devastated.

Then after it was admitted to the UN, it told the US to get out of Taiwan and close its bases, and the US complied.

A country that have shot down numerous US spy aircrafts since the 50's, and crashed their submarines in chinese water.

In Alaska summit 2021, Chinese told the US that they cannot negotiate from a position of strength.

When the whole world were scared to trade with Iran or other sanctioned countries, the Chinese ignored US sanctions and just traded with who they want.

You are talking about a country that has a larger economy than the US (The Chinese just let the US have that crown of the largest economy, but everyone understands the US have been surpassed).

China has nuclear weapon, and advanced hypersonic misses the US DO NOT HAVE. China has 1.4B people.



I can go on and on, but China is not a country to bully around. China will never acquiesce or appease the US, it is completely out of the questions. I cannot think of an historical instances where the Chinese bowed to the US.

China's technique have always been playing lowkey, not escalating and responding proportionately to US attacks. But it will not be bullied.

In 1949 during the declaration of the founding of PRC, Mao made it clear that the Chinese have stood up, and NEVER again they will be exploited by foreign powers.

This was when China was so broke, that their leaders travelled in horses. But now? its too late.

Gerrard59:
As you all know, Trump has tarrifed countries reciprocally with China being the hardest hit. Some weeks ago, I came across a video by a Chinese economist at Peking University who stated they expected a 60% tariffs. This was right after the first tariffs. So, now the tariffs have exceeded 60% as they expected.

So in this article on the FT "Trump’s aggressive push to roll back globalisation", in the comment section, many bash Trump for the tariffs, but this particular comment got my attention where he wrote that the aim is to prepare the US in the aspect of manufacturing for an eventual military conflict with China. In the linked video, the poster stated the ultimate plan will be to weaken the USD while maintaining its reserve status, get vassal states to sign to the USD in exchange for access to the US market and security while having China to consume more from the US. This deal comes across as similar to the Plaza Accord, which I have mentioned several times here. However, unlike the Plaza Accord - most of the complaints then are similar to present day China - Japan was and still a vassal state of the US especially in non-possession of nuclear weapons, hosting US military's bases and not as spread out as the Chinese in terms of critical mineral controls, access to wider markets, bigger tech developments/innovation and a huge manufacturing capabilities.

So, the question is: Would the Chinese sign a similar Plaza Accord or, as stated, a Mar-a-lago deal? My answer is an emphatic no.

But we would see how this goes.

Trump's Tweet: https://x.com/TrumpDailyPosts/status/1908499102473613666
Bessent's interview:

🚨 President Trump’s Tariffs Broke China

How can China respond to President Trump’s tariffs?
—— Bissent says he don’t think China can.

“The Chinese manufacturing system is like that old Disney movie, with the brooms carrying the buckets. That’s their business model…

When you… pic.twitter.com/jsYu7iuAho

— MJTruthUltra (@MJTruthUltra) April 5, 2025

The FT's article: https://www.ft. com/content/ed994477-a23a-4f48-9019-917b5dc51041
The linked Youtube video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ts5wJ6OfzA&t=868s

cc: pansophist, LordAdam16

Trump is a mad man, bull in a China shop *pun intended* coming to destroy everything

Regardless of which side you support, what is very clear is that both parties are beyond bleeped.

China is about to lose DRC to the Americans
And America is about to lose face in the Pacific Asian region 🙄

For goodness sakes, what's ahead is very scary, because if this globalisation ship get ship wrecked, it's gonna be a free for all

Damn

doncartel:
Multipolarism is just another name for democratic countries vs undemocratic countries. People who support China, Iran, North Korea, Russia etc, also support undemocratic totalitarian dictatorship.

We who support USA, EU, Israel, Japan etc, also support competitive multi-party democracy.

Like-minded countries flock together because birds of the same feather flock together.

But people who support undemocratic countries should ask themselves what would happen if they defeat the democratic countries. Would they be happy with total dictatorship all over the world? Where they have no say in governance and politics?

So they should jejely repent and support our vision for total democracy throughout the world or expect physical defeat on ground.

Well, I understand what you are saying
And honestly, i lean more to the former than the latter because despite their many sins and chaos, democratic countries are still somewhat better to deal with

I always use the analogy
Which multinational will u rather work for
A "Western one" or "those guys "

People always stutter

However, only one side having unchecked firepower is not good.
The truth is that the western hegemony will be dominant for decades if not centuries to come, but they will have to come to terms with the Chinese becoming a dominant player as well.

However, if the west doesn't rein in on its growing racism, and not adapt to the times, their grip will be diminished

RodgersAkpafu:
Trump is a mad man, bull in a China shop *pun intended* coming to destroy everything

Regardless of which side you support, what is very clear is that both parties are beyond bleeped.

China is about to lose DRC to the Americans
And America is about to lose face in the Pacific Asian region 🙄

Damn

Losing DRC will hurt the Chinese so badly, and I must confess, it is a smart and swift move by Trump. I won't be surprised if he funded the Rwandans to press deeply into the DRC, knowing the latter would seek help and China won't come to its rescue. But years of Chinese investments and buildup are about to go down the drain.

For goodness sakes, what's ahead is very scary, because if this globalisation ship get ship wrecked, it's gonna be a free for all

How exactly? The only way I see it being bad is that we didn't take advantage of it when it was booming. But then, Western countries offshored their manufacturing to Asia rather than Africa, which is closer and share certain cultural and historical connections. So ntorr to them that Asians have beaten them to manufacturing.

Gerrard59:
Losing DRC will hurt the Chinese so badly, and I must confess, it is a smart and swift move by Trump. I won't be surprised if he funded the Rwandans to press deeply into the DRC, knowing the latter would seek help and China won't come to its rescue. But years of Chinese investments and buildup are about to go down the drain.


How exactly? The only way I see it being bad is that we didn't take advantage of it when it was booming. But then, Western countries offshored their manufacturing to Asia rather than Africa, which is closer and share certain cultural and historical connections. So ntorr to them that Asians have beaten them to manufacturing.

As per your second paragraph
Global standard of living is gonna plummet IF the globalisation ship wrecks
What the Americans will never admit is that while globalisation was (almost) mutually beneficial across the board
USA 🇺🇸 was the greatest beneficiary
Exportation of inflation
Enjoyment of MASSIVE consumer surplus over 40 years
Technology transfer (via stealing top talent from other countries)
New markets for its services
Cultural influence

All that

Trump prolly don't know this
But it's the fact

RodgersAkpafu:
As per your second paragraph
Global standard of living is gonna plummet IF the globalisation ship wrecks
What the Americans will never admit is that while globalisation was (almost) mutually beneficial across the board
USA 🇺🇸 was the greatest beneficiary Exportation of inflation Enjoyment of MASSIVE consumer surplus over 40 years Technology transfer (via stealing top talent from other countries)
New markets for its services
Cultural influence All that Trump prolly don't know this
But it's the fact

I believe they acknowledge these accomplishments, but they see China's rise as a greater threat regardless of the benefits they derive from its manufacturing prowess.