pansophist:
Botragelad, you wrote so much wrong info, that it will take me so much time to debunk each and every one of them. Gerrard59 tried, but hopefully, as this thread progress further, I will handle each of them one by one.

All I would say is that you should update your view about China. Your writeup just seems like something copied and pasted from CNN, with no authenticity whatsoever.

You reckon my write up is nicked from CNN, but I didn't say yours was pinched from CGTN, did I? How about you update your view about the US, since you can't debunk anything I said, eh? You're such a clown, mate.

budaatum:

You really should do your own research. Not only would you inform yourself, you'd also be in position to inform us others.

https://investingstrategy.co.uk/financial-news/brics-vs-g7-head-to-head-comparison-and-statistics/

You provided a link to the interpretation of the data by a specific expert, I prefer to use the original source (The World Bank)

Many times I have already given a link to the World Bank here at the forum, for example, a list of countries by GDP, taking into account PPP:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.PP.CD

As for the article you cited here, I have the following comments:
firstly, it does not make sense to compare countries and blocks of countries by nominal GDP.

and for gdp (ppp), here is a clear illustration (look at the Animated Chart: G7 vs. BRICS by GDP (PPP)) and I recommend you to read the article in full after animation):
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cp/animated-chart-g7-vs-brics-by-gdp-ppp/

secondly, it is necessary to carefully consider the dates of calculation of certain indicators.

It makes no sense to rely on data known, for example, only for 2017.
Since then, many important events have occurred that have affected the economies of different countries in different ways, for example, the covid epidemic.

Not long ago, China surpassed Japan to be the world's biggest exporter of vehicles. The rise has been spectacular and lightening. Particularly in electric vehicles (EVs), the Chinese have perfected it and now produce and export more EVs than any other country. Also, as a single nation, she is the biggest market for EVs. The likes of Telsa, Ford, Mercedes etc., cannot let go of that market.

In return, this has been a bottleneck for Western countries as the policy to outlaw combustion vehicles before 2050 (in the EU, it is before 2035) has seen them at the back of the foot regarding sourcing for raw materials (lithium, copper, bauxite etc) and actual production. They, especially the Europeans, are confused about the way forward as sanctioning China also puts them at risk of their companies being sanctioned. Unlike decades ago, where there was no tit-for-tat, the Chinese do it very well. Hit me, and I'll hit you back.

The Chinese have secured mines in the DRC (they gave a red carpet ceremony to the leader in Beijing a few weeks ago), Indonesia, Chile, Mongolia, Guinea Conakry, Brazil, Zambia, Namibia etc. They follow the rules as stated by the host country. When Joko of Indonesia said no more exports of raw lithium and other materials, the Chinese were the first to set up factories to process them. The South Koreans copied immediately. Joko extended the ban to bauxite. Namibians, Zambians, and even Chileans followed and enacted similar rules. What did the EU do? They sued Indonesia to the WTO, and won the first round. Indonesia has appealed the case. If you are an ordinary Indonesian, who would you prefer?

If there is one thing I like about the Chinese is their knack for pragmatism and non-interference in local issues. You scratch my back, and I scratch yours. The thing is, they will scratch yours very well. It is left for you to scratch theirs as much as they did to your back. Your country won't be invaded, or your government toppled. However, they will steer away investments from you since you became belligerent towards their business interests. This was seen in Phillippines when the ex-president was close to China and benefitted a lot via banana exports. The present president aligns with the US. What does he get in return? Military bases. What did the Chinese do? Signed a trade deal with Ecuador to get bananas. Ordinary Filipinos lose, but hey, they got a military base.

Check around Africa; the factories springing up are owned by the Chinese, Indians or Lebanese. Fine, the working conditions are not favourable, but the same applied to China during the '80s and '90s. Factories, not TikTok videos, are what African youths need as they offer stable employment and life-long technical skills.

Botragelad:

1) First of all, China might have more trading partners than the US, but that's just one aspect of their economic relationship. The US still has a larger and more diverse economy, and it's more innovative and competitive than China. The US also has a stronger currency, the dollar, which is used as the world's reserve currency. That means that many countries use the dollar to trade with each other, and they hold dollars in their foreign exchange reserves. This gives the US a lot of influence and power in the global financial system.

But you can't just look at the economy when you compare China and the US. You also have to consider their political, diplomatic, military, and technological aspects. And in these areas, the US has many advantages over China. The US is a democracy with a free press, a vibrant civil society, and a strong rule of law. China is an authoritarian regime that suppresses human rights, censors information, and cracks down on dissent.

Ok, I will start with number one. Concerning the US economy, I don't think it is larger than the Chinese economy. Mind you, China's economy is the biggest in the world by PPP, only if you look at the nominal GDP is the US larger. 

the US is about 25% of the Chinese population but has more homeless people in their millions, has a huge neck-crushing debt, with citizens that are mostly in debt. That doesn't seem to me like the world's largest economy.

Also, the US benefits from Bretton Woods, making its economy propped up by the rest of the world. With all these advantages, the US still couldn't solve its healthcare, homeless, infrastructural, or student debt problem which is a cause of suicide among young Americans. 

Also, it can be noticed from your writeup that you avoid arguing between wrong or right, but more of strength and weakness (not sure if it is deliberate). The US care only about being on top, regardless if it destroys the world to get there. That is not a responsible power. 

About tech, Chine leads in 33 of 44 critical technological areas that will dominate the 21st century. See the link below, I intentionally use Western sources, just in case. 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/02/china-leading-us-in-technology-race-in-all-but-a-few-fields-thinktank-finds

About diplomacy, I don't understand how initiating war globally for profit is diplomacy, perhaps you can make me understand. The US is not a member of the ICC (same as UNICLOS) but uses it as a stick to punish countries through it while being immune to it themselves. The US is an irresponsible power and doesn't deserve that position. 

Every other thing you wrote is just arrant nonsense. The US does not have a free press, all US media are owned by a tiny group of media moguls, and they repeat the same thing. Folks here are not idiots, they see it with their own eyes. US media is propaganda. The trick is simple. Tell a lie from a thousand sources, a thousand times, and it may be perceived as truth. 

China may be an authoritarian regime, but it doesn't go out there destroying countries. The thing with you Western defenders is that you focus more on the color of the cat, instead of judging if the cat can catch a mouse. If Nigeria will become authoritarian and in 50 years, be as wealthy as Norway and end our centuries of humiliation, I will accept it wholeheartedly. 

Who cares about democracy? it is too susceptible, and the West want countries to be a democracy so they can intervene internally by sponsoring opposing parties, Just look at Phillippines for example after Duerterte left power, a Western stooge came in. 

Lots of Western allies are not democratic, such as Saudi, why is the West not lecturing them about democracy? It's simple. Saudi is not a threat. 
About the crackdown of decent, don't make me laugh. China is an understood demon, the US is a demon pretending to be God. With all the social media censorship and lack of free speech to speak your mind about gays or Jews, what will you call that?

And I personally think unrestricted freedom of speech leads to chaos. Twitter right now is officially a porn site, you can literally watch porn on Twitter, and lots of kids use it, how is such freedom beneficial? or freedom for a societal destabilizer to plant evil thoughts in citizens' minds because they can say anything. This is nonsense. 

The idea that Western values are all perfect and supreme is an imperialist mindset. Do away with it. I will rather be safe than be killed by someone that has the freedom to carry a gun around. Exercising your freedom can harm others. How is that normal?

Militarily, the US by its very nature is not unforgiven or lenient to countries it can destroy, taking a cue from all the wars it's been fighting since its founding. The fact it can't go fight China is because China is formidable and impenetrable. Military power is not judged by fighting small weak countries, but by taking on equally formidable partners. 

The last time I can remember the US fought a formidable power was in the Korean War, and China dealt with the US so badly, that it was the only war the Americans refused to make a movie on because there is just no way they could propagandize that war to their favor. 

Everything I wrote here is an attempt not a write a book only on your first point, because your points are just filled with inaccuracies. I will handle each of the other points as time goes by.

budaatum:


I might want to agree with you except for the huge elephant I see growing in the room, which if not shrunk would trample and shrink them.

Good thing is they have lots of assets they can sell to shrink it, but at the cost of their hegemony.
https://wolfstreet.com/2023/07/02/us-national-debt-spiked-by-851-billion-in-one-month-to-32-3-trillion-flood-of-new-debt-in-q3-to-refill-the-tga-pay-for-raging-deficits/

Indeed.

pansophist:
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Feel free to post your observations, predictions, and knowledge concerning the aforementioned topic.

The Coup in Niger Is About Power. Russia Will Exploit It.
The most exciting explanations for Niger’s upheaval are globe-sweeping and probably wrong.

By Brian Klaas

=> https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/08/niger-coup-russia/674947/

Just for fun, look at the screen shot; some explanations of the picture:

The global basic rating is a non–credit rating of the reliability and quality of investment companies' services, excluding external support.
As they say, yesterday the bear was strangled-strangled, but something went wrong.

In the comments there is noise, bedlam, smoke rocker and a keen desire to dump to Russia from America

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywFtxZCrqEk

US President announcing to the American people that Taiwan is part of China, and the government in Beijing (PRC) is the sole, legal representative of all of China including Taiwan.

When the UN disposed the ROC with it's capital in Taipel as the government of China for the PRC (UN resolution 2758), the whole world recognized this simple fact.

But the US who calls themselves champions of democracy and respect for territorial integrity and national sovereignty have failed to respect and see Taiwan as part of China.

The US sells billions of weapons, trained Taiwan army and is preparing them for a war of Independence with China. Just imagine Russia and it's allies supporting California to secede from the US.

The US refuse to see Taiwan as a province of China, for example, Taiwanese don't need a visa to visit the US and the west. Imagine if people from Lagos are treated like a different country. This is US policy on Taiwan.

This is just one of the example of US mafia behavior. Where it break the rules, and still got to preach to the world about not abiding to the same rules.

pansophist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywFtxZCrqEk

US President announcing to the American people in the 90s that Taiwan is part of China, and the government in Beijing (PRC) is the sole, legal representative of all of China.

Americans are masters of their word: they want - they give, they want - they take back

Jane74:


Americans are masters of their word: they want - they give, they want - they take back

And that will be their downfall. Even their so called allies suffers a lot. Just imagine blowing off the NS2 pipeline, pushing Germany into recession, but someone here said such relationship is one of friendship/ally not of vassals/slave.

pansophist:
Budaatum, please be easy on Seguno, people that want to beat him on this nairaland plenty.

Walahi

Earlier this month, I made a comment (link below), that in the eyes of the Anglo-American empire, they see beyond borders, and as far as destruction is concerned, Russia and China are one target. Africa as a continent is poor for example, Africa is also a target.

https://www.nairaland.com/7785346/how-russia-play-strategic-game#124809573

The above might sound very shocking to hear, but of recent, evidence emerged that proved my point. I found a declassified document from the national security archive of George Washington University, about plans made to use nuclear bombs on 1200 cities in China, the soviet union, and warsaw pact countries (who are the client states of SU then).

This plan was formulated in June 1956 and is expected to be implemented in 1959. The full name of the plan is "atomic weapons requirements study" (please google it). Below is the link to the plan.

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb538-Cold-War-Nuclear-Target-List-Declassified-First-Ever/

I am not going to write much about the extreme details of this plan, since I studied it at great length, but it just goes to show you the extent the Americans will go to make sure the world never escapes out of its hegemonic grip.

If the plan was implemented, almost 20% of the world's landmass would be inhabitable for centuries to come, completely destroyed and hundreds of millions of people died, with hundred of millions of people in agonizing pain.

I believe the only thing that made this plan not to be carried out was because the Soviet union later tested its own nuclear weapon, and could retaliate, then the plan was dropped.

The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki would be nothing compared to the use of nuclear bombs on the world's two largest countries in land, and population.

News like this will not go mainstream, so you have to self-study about real history and not be carried away by propaganda media, and their stooges such as Botragelad.

The attached picture is a pictorial description of the cities that would be vaporised in a nuclear attack. At least 113 in China(mostly the industrial base, an the rest in the soviet union).

2buffagain:


You know its the latter.

Sorry sometimes I forget this is a nigerian forum and I should be more free.
Those of us living in the west are careful about how we talk about these people because they are the mafia over here. Always looking for how to bully and terrorize anyone who talks about them. Even social media platforms will report your post or demonitize your channel if it seems like you are speaking your mind about lgbt. So we generally just call them lgtv now to skip the crawlers that usually search for how they are being spoken about.

It's crazy out here. You guys back home: Never allow the bloody US to push that shit on you.

You are right man. This is why I like writing about nairaland. Freedom of speech has disappeared in the west. Just saying common sense can be met with such irrational opprobrium, you begin to wonder if your words are bullets.

So now I get it, LGTV is LGBT, Porn is Corn, Rape is grape, hoe is 304,

Botragelad:


2) The US has many allies and partners around the world who share its values and interests. China has few friends and many rivals who distrust its intentions and actions. The US has a powerful and professional military that can project force globally and defend its interests and allies.

China has a large but outdated military that is mainly focused on its own region and faces many challenges in modernizing and operating abroad. The US is a leader in science and technology, especially in fields like biotechnology, artificial intelligence, aerospace, and cyber security. China is trying to catch up, but it still lags behind in many areas and relies on stealing or copying from others.

So don't be fooled by the propaganda talk about the US using countries as puppets. Partners are partners/allies, not puppets. The US is not forcing anyone to be its ally. It's offering them cooperation and assistance based on mutual respect and benefit. That's how alliances work.

The US DO NOT have allies and partners, all it has are stooges, client states, vassals, political prostitutes, sellouts, puppets, and inferior subjects. I am not sure if you think this place is Reddit, quora, or those Western-controlled platforms where you can spit lies and it will go unchecked.

Ok, I have a question for you.

1. Why are all the so-called allies of the US have their military bases on their soil? For example, Japan was nuked twice, their economy was killed with the accord plaza, and still, they still lick Uncle Sam's ass, Is that a relationship of allies, or master/slave?

The above question is just one, and for Japan, I don't wanna bore you with more and more questions. So to continue further, can you explain exactly how China does not have friends?

By China having rivals who distrust its intention, a better wording would be that China has US vassal states that must hate on China because their masters in Washington will punish them if they don't.

The whole global south, From the whole of Africa to South America to Asia (except vassals like Taiwan, Japan, and Korea), and central Asia, all love China. That's about 85% of humanity.

Don't take my word for it, but please consider the following. Over 150 countries have China as their main trading partner. China is the leader of RCEP, Shanghai security organization, and BRICS.

More importantly, more than 150 countries have signed up for BRI (belt and Road initiatives), and have given China the go-ahead to build infrastructures in their country. The Abjua-Kano rail line is a result of that plan.

Compare that to the US which has bombed over 225 countries in its less than 250 years of existence. War is not diplomacy. Overthrowing government is not diplomacy. Propaganda is not diplomacy.

China does not have to project power out of its borders because it is not a war-mongering nation. Your point makes no sense. America exists by war for profit. China does not. China is a mercantile nation, hence, when America sends bombs, China sends skillsmen, trade and business.

When America Destroys, China constructs. Also, repeating the lie that China has inferior tech doesn't make it true. I posted a link to you from a Western source that China controls 37 out of 44 key techs that will dominate the 21st century.

And saying China is copying others in tech is an imperialistic, racist mindset. A country that has the title of the oldest civilization on earth with a recorded history of at least 5000 years, and with the world's largest population, how can they not innovate and have their own tech?

China is a leader in 5G, automation, robotics, high-speed rails, a god in manufacturing, and many more, where is the copy? China has more scientist graduating from school annually, and have more patent than the US registered annually.

Many cities in China have driverless taxis, bus services, and autonomous delivery robots. Its a norm in everyday life. Please use google, I cant be teaching you all these.

How can such civilization steal from the west? How can I steal a billion dollars from a poor man? Its an imperialistic mind to think that the west are the only one that can innovate. Thats nonsense.

pansophist:


You are right man. This is why I like writing about nairaland. Freedom of speech has disappeared in the west. Just saying common sense can be met with such irrational opprobrium, you begin to wonder if your words are bullets.

So now I get it, LGTV is LGBT, Porn is Corn, Rape is grape, hoe is 304,

You gerrit

Gerrard59:


Some of it is due to trust in the US' financial system. The rest is by bullying. The US bullies everyone, including her allies. The US bullied rising Japan into signing the Plaza Accord, which decimated the economy in Japan, resulting in the "Lost Decades". The same Japan America literally babied after bombing her cities and had military bases in Okinawa and Tokyo. Now, they are doing the same with China through a series of sanctions and building military bases around China. In contrast, China has not built one, even in Mexico or Cuba.



First, China has surpassed the US in citations, some of which emanate from relatively unknown universities in China. Westerners say it is copying, but looking it at deeply, the Chinese are innovative. Solar, wind and EVs are examples of how they are innovative driven.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-01705-7
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Science/China-tops-U.S.-in-quantity-and-quality-of-scientific-papers
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3223810/nature-index-rates-chinese-universities-ahead-oxbridge-caltech-quality-research-output

mbed or sanctioned.

As I wrote, the Chinese have published papers in reputable journals more than the US. This is by a Western rating agency based in London. The comments in the WSJ article exhibited envy, racism and anger towards the Chinese. Westerners are literally livid the Chinese don't bend to their whims. One of the comments stated that American universities should shift towards India and South East Asia for collaboration and students. None of them mentioned Africa. I am very honest here, when these commentators state the West should shift away from China whether in terms of collaboration to trade, they never mention Africa. In terms of visa issuance to African students, one's chances are higher with the Chinese embassy than the US even for fully funded students. That shows how they view us -unwanted elements. Which is why I am baffled when Africans deride the Chinese. The Chinese made smartphones very affordable for ordinary Africans, which made it possible for millions of Africans to access the Internet. I recall then Apple and Samsung phones were out-of-reach for most Africans, and even now, but with Techno and Itel, many Africans could access the web because the devices were cheap.

Africa, and I dare say blacks, have a friend in China, not the West. There is more than a 500-year history to explain our relationship with the West.

https://www.wsj.com/world/china/the-u-s-is-turning-away-from-its-biggest-scientific-partner-at-a-precarious-time-9fb9adaa

The A - Z of China's demonisation. This is the reason China is demonised, nothing else.

Gerrard59:


One of the comments stated that American universities should shift towards India and South East Asia for collaboration and students. None of them mentioned Africa. I am very honest here, when these commentators state the West should shift away from China whether in terms of collaboration to trade, they never mention Africa. In terms of visa issuance to African students, one's chances are higher with the Chinese embassy than the US even for fully funded students. That shows how they view us -unwanted elements.

https://www.wsj.com/world/china/the-u-s-is-turning-away-from-its-biggest-scientific-partner-at-a-precarious-time-9fb9adaa

Hegemony is a master/slave relationship, so the idea that the West will invest in other regions to counter China is a non-starter. In their eyes, it only means feeding a beast that will grow to challenge them later in the future.

In the deepest of their heart, they regretted pumping billions into China, with their manufacturing tech, IP, and recognizing it as a country and into WTO, which pushed China so fast as a behemoth it is today.

If you noticed, China was very poor from its founding in 1949 until 1979, but when it established diplomatic relations with the US, Chinese economic growth took off rapidly. The Chinese prepared and were waiting for the perfect opportunity to take off.

So the US needed China as a counterweight to the soviet union, and can only do it if it is integrated into the world economy. It was a huge gamble they played, betting on the fact that China will become another India.

If Washington could foresee that the soviet union will fall in a decade later, they won't make that move. They only need China to fight the soviets, and both weaken themselves, just like Ukraine and Russia today.

Anyways back to what I am saying, the US will only accept a defeated China, not make other regions strong that would challenge it again, maybe team up with China and Russia, then become a bigger problem for them.

The reason why they have military bases everywhere is to prevent the rise of challenging power.

Take a clue from the bases in Kosovo after the destruction of Yugoslavia, in Germany after the destruction of the Nazi regime, or in Japan after the destruction of imperial Japan. Those bases seem silent now, but their real color will be exposed when any civilization begins to grow from such regions.

Or integrating ex-Soviet countries such as Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Finland, into the NATO and nato affiliates for Georgia and Ukraine.

They had a base in Taiwan before China became a UN country, and the first thing the Chinese did was tell the Americans to pack their bases out. The junta in Niger is doing the same thing, but the Americans don't want to leave.

These leaders know what the US stands for, not the nonsense Western sellouts are trying to preach. The US will only accept a world with no challenging power, so they will NEVER invest in other regions, because it may come to bite them later, like China.

Gerrard59:


One of the comments stated that American universities should shift towards India and South East Asia for collaboration and students. None of them mentioned Africa. I am very honest here, when these commentators state the West should shift away from China whether in terms of collaboration to trade, they never mention Africa. In terms of visa issuance to African students, one's chances are higher with the Chinese embassy than the US even for fully funded students. That shows how they view us -unwanted elements.

https://www.wsj.com/world/china/the-u-s-is-turning-away-from-its-biggest-scientific-partner-at-a-precarious-time-9fb9adaa

Also, take a clue from the response of the global south alignment with Russia after the invasion of Ukraine. That event singlehandedly awakened the desire for a multipolar world, and renewed the deep-seated anger bordering revenge in reserve for the West.

So the Idea that will pump money into Africa is not worthy of being called a dream, it will never happen. The West will not make Africa strong when they knew what they have done to Africans.

It's like sponsoring a person you raped to be a lawyer, giving them the power to deal with you later. It is not a matter of whether we will revenge, but a matter of ´´we can't if we want to´´. The discussion here is about survival and power, not doing what is right.

pansophist:




Anyways back to what I am saying, the US will only accept a defeated China, not make other regions strong that would challenge it again, maybe team up with China and Russia, then become a bigger problem for them.

The reason why they have military bases everywhere is to prevent the rise of challenging power.

Take a clue from the bases in Kosovo after the destruction of Yugoslavia, in Germany after the destruction of the Nazi regime, or in Japan after the destruction of imperial Japan. Those bases seem silent now, but their real color will be exposed when any civilization begins to grow from such regions.

Or integrating ex-soviets countries such as Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland, and defacto for Georgia and Ukraine.

They had a base in Taiwan before China became a UN country, and the first thing the Chinese did was tell the Americans to pack their bases out. The junta in Niger is doing the same thing, but the Americans don't want to leave.

These leaders know what the US stands for, not the nonsense Western sellouts are trying to preach. The US will only accept a world with no challenging power, so they will NEVER invest in other regions, because it may come to bite them later, like China.

To be fair, they are shifting investments to India, Vietnam and other parts of South East Asia. They might not offer IP as was done with China, but they are indeed investing in those places. India is playing the same game as China by requesting IP know-how and investment while at the same time staying neutral. Remember that Modi was banned from entering the US, but the ban got overturned when he got elected. Today, every Western leader is engaging in a bromance with him as a counterweight to China. What pisses me off is when they expect Africans to align with them YET don't consider Africans in the buffet they are offering others. It says something about how they see black people.

As I stated here a few years ago, my hunch for their apathy or antipathy towards black Africa is the fear that should black Africa be prosperous, we will team up with African Americans to invest in other parts of the black world to become wealthy as well with the aim to settle 500-year old grievances.

That said: Imran Khan was removed because he refused to align to condemn Russia: https://theintercept.com/2023/08/09/imran-khan-pakistan-cypher-ukraine-russia/

Vassals, not allies. Bullying, not diplomacy.

pansophist:


Also, take a clue from the response of the global south alignment with Russia after the invasion of Ukraine. That event singlehandedly awakened the desire for a multipolar world, and renewed the deep-seated anger bordering revenge in reserve for the West.

So the Idea that will pump money into Africa is not worthy of being called a dream, it will never happen. The West will not make Africa strong when they knew what they have done to Africans.

It's like sponsoring a person you raped to be a lawyer, giving them the power to deal with you later. It is not a matter of whether we will revenge, but a matter of ´´we can't if we want to´´. The discussion here is about survival and power, not doing what is right.

T for Telepathy.

pansophist:

Also, take a clue from the response of the global south alignment with Russia after the invasion of Ukraine. That event singlehandedly awakened the desire for a multipolar world, and renewed the deep-seated anger bordering revenge in reserve for the West.

So the Idea that will pump money into Africa is not worthy of being called a dream, it will never happen. The West will not make Africa strong when they knew what they have done to Africans.

It's like sponsoring a person you raped to be a lawyer, giving them the power to deal with you later. It is not a matter of whether we will revenge, but a matter of ´´we can't if we want to´´. The discussion here is about survival and power, not doing what is right.

Did the West pump money into China because they were clueless about what they had done to China

Gerrard59:

To be fair, they are shifting investments to India, Vietnam and other parts of South East Asia. They might not offer IP as was done with China, but they are indeed investing in those places. India is playing the same game as China by requesting IP know-how and investment while at the same time staying neutral. Remember that Modi was banned from entering the US, but the ban got overturned when he got elected. Today, every Western leader is engaging in a bromance with him as a counterweight to China. What pisses me off is when they expect Africans to align with them YET don't consider Africans in the buffet they are offering others. It says something about how they see black people.

As I stated here a few years ago, my hunch for their apathy or antipathy towards black Africa is the fear that should black Africa be prosperous, we will team up with African Americans to invest in other parts of the black world to become wealthy as well with the aim to settle 500-year old grievances.

That said: Imran Khan was removed because he refused to align to condemn Russia: https://theintercept.com/2023/08/09/imran-khan-pakistan-cypher-ukraine-russia/

Vassals, not allies. Bullying, not diplomacy.

Or it says something about how we Africans see ourselves, spending our time and resources on partying, flexing and then going to specific places to ask for help from the Omnipresent God, introduced to us by Arabs and whites

How many Chinese and other Asians were doing economic migration by fire by force before they became more capitalist and community oriented?

pansophist:

I wonder the kind of heart one will have, to bring such misery to the world. There should be a limit to the pain you can give to others, but under western hegemonic system, it is only a point with no return.

https://gagadget.com/en/rockets/295264-the-us-will-make-guam-the-most-defended-place-on-the-planet-by-deploying-20-missile-defence-sites-with-thaad-toma-amp/

See what US is planning for China and Russia just to contain them.

The US is sooooo obsessed with security, weapons, military etc.
She is running away from her own shadow

emmaodet:


https://gagadget.com/en/rockets/295264-the-us-will-make-guam-the-most-defended-place-on-the-planet-by-deploying-20-missile-defence-sites-with-thaad-toma-amp/

See what US is planning for China and Russia just to contain them.

The US is sooooo obsessed with security, weapons, military etc.
She is running away from her own shadow

My only fear is that any war between these powers should not escalate to nuclear exchange, then it becomes a point of no return. The world as we know it will cease to exist.

But if it's just conventional weapons, then there is nothing to worry about. Guam is a sitting duck no matter how much grammar they speak about making it the most defended place on the planet.

Same patriot system they will use to defend Guam is exactly what Russia destroyed in Ukraine like it's nothing. You have to know that propaganda is the norm for the US.

China knows about Guam, and all the surrounding mini island there. They already have plans for it if a war ever breaks out. And also, Guam is not even a big fish, the real target will be US mainland.

This won't be a war where the US will have a monopoly of choosing the battleground, but a war where both powers can choose where they want to fight. This is not a lion versus antelope fight, but a lion versus lion.

As far as China is concern, the battle ground will be in mainland US. They will definitely be satisfied with the outcome of Americans feeling the agony of war, as they have done to other places.

The Chinese have hypersonic missles rhat can reach any corners of the planet, with a war chest that can out produced the West by at least 10 to 1 times. We are referring to the country that can singlehandedly manufacture what most of the world uses.

Imagine that. If China stop exporting, the global economy will crash. You can best believe they will out produced everyone in everything from tanks to missles,bomb, everything, if a war ever break out.

pansophist:


My only fear is that any war between these powers should not escalate to nuclear exchange, then it becomes a point of no return. The world as we know it will cease to exist.

But if it's just conventional weapons, then there is nothing to worry about. Guam is a sitting duck no matter how much grammar they speak about making it the most defended place on the planet.

Same patriot system they will use to defend Guam is exactly what Russia destroyed in Ukraine like it's nothing. You have to know that propaganda is the norm for the US.

China knows about Guam, and all the surrounding mini island there. They already have plans for it if a war ever breaks out. And also, Guam is not even a big fish, the real target will be US mainland.

This won't be a war where the US will have a monopoly of choosing the battleground, but a war where both powers can choose where they want to fight. This is not a lion versus antelope fight, but a lion versus lion.

As far as China is concern, the battle ground will be in mainland US. They will definitely be satisfied with the outcome of Americans feeling the agony of war, as they have done to other places.

The Chinese have hypersonic missles rhat can reach any corners of the planet, with a war chest that can out produced the West by at least 10 to 1 times. We are referring to the country that can singlehandedly manufacture what most of the world uses.

Imagine that. If China stop exporting, the global economy will crash. You can best believe they will out produced everyone in everything if a war ever break out.

Interesting but I have been seeing articles talking about how china's economy is failing, do you think those articles are correct?

TheAlphaHunter:


Interesting but I have been seeing articles talking about how China's economy is failing, do you think those articles are correct?

Its propaganda. A well-known doomsday idiot is Gordon G. Chang. You can call him a sell-out, or a Judas Iscariot.

He became famous for always predicting the impending collapse of China. For close to thirty years, he has been releasing books, topics, commentaries, and interviews, about how China will collapse soon.

He became very wealthy because of his predictions, which always fail of course.

Before China grew to be an economic behemoth, they were known as the sick man of Asia, the inferior races, and all sorts of bad names. So ignore the nonsense you see on the mainstream.

pansophist:


Its propaganda. A well-known doomsday idiot is Gordon G. Chang. You can call him a sell-out, or a Judas Iscariot.

He became famous for always predicting the impending collapse of China. For close to thirty years, he has been releasing books, topics, commentaries, and interviews, about how China will collapse soon.

He became very wealthy because of his predictions, which always fail of course.

Before China grew to be an economic behemoth, they were known as the sick man of Asia, the inferior races, and all sorts of bad names. So ignore the nonsense you see on the mainstream.

Thanks for your answer bro, some delusional americans have been talking endlessly about how china's economy has been falling but they can't even notice what is happening in their backyard

seguno2:


Did the West pump money into China because they were clueless about what they had done to China

They pumped money into China because they will get it back 10 folds.

China is the largest single market on the planet. The Chinese middle class is larger than US and Canada's population. Where else will the West have such a growing, thriving middle class market?

Economics will always go where the money is. That's how the world works. Businessmen ain't dumb, they will always follow the money.

There is so much money to be made in China, you'll be shooting yourself in the foot if you refuse to trade because of your prejudice.

pansophist:

They pumped money into China because they will get it back 10 folds.

China is the largest single market on the planet. The Chinese middle class is larger than US and Canada's population. Where else will the West have such a growing, thriving middle class market?

Economics will always go where the money is. That's how the world works. Businessmen ain't dumb, they will always follow the money.

There is so much money to be made in China, you'll be shooting yourself in the foot if you refuse to trade because of your prejudice.

Why is there not so much money to be made in our country and other African countries, for Americans and Europeans to invest here, for us to be as wealthy and secure in our collective wellbeing, like the Chinese

pansophist:


My only fear is that any war between these powers should not escalate to nuclear exchange, then it becomes a point of no return. The world as we know it will cease to exist.

But if it's just conventional weapons, then there is nothing to worry about. Guam is a sitting duck no matter how much grammar they speak about making it the most defended place on the planet.

Same patriot system they will use to defend Guam is exactly what Russia destroyed in Ukraine like it's nothing. You have to know that propaganda is the norm for the US.

China knows about Guam, and all the surrounding mini island there. They already have plans for it if a war ever breaks out. And also, Guam is not even a big fish, the real target will be US mainland.

This won't be a war where the US will have a monopoly of choosing the battleground, but a war where both powers can choose where they want to fight. This is not a lion versus antelope fight, but a lion versus lion.

As far as China is concern, the battle ground will be in mainland US. They will definitely be satisfied with the outcome of Americans feeling the agony of war, as they have done to other places.

The Chinese have hypersonic missles rhat can reach any corners of the planet, with a war chest that can out produced the West by at least 10 to 1 times. We are referring to the country that can singlehandedly manufacture what most of the world uses.

Imagine that. If China stop exporting, the global economy will crash. You can best believe they will out produced everyone in everything from tanks to missles,bomb, everything, if a war ever break out.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.reuters.com/world/us-japan-develop-hypersonic-missile-interceptor-yomiuri-2023-08-13/&ved=2ahUKEwjouJL5iemAAxVWgv0HHSFzAIMQFnoECAwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1BNTW8iXUr4dSdzHMHTGFC

The US and Japan are planning to build hypersonic missile interceptor.
Again, so as to contain China and Russia to their own region hole US is safe from any attack.
The US is ready to go all out and fight dirty to retain the present system that benefits them alone and will do anything possible to fight and bring down any competition on the way.
Funny enough, most people who are supporting US in retaining the present system see everything wrong in Nigeria running a one party system of APC where all other parties like PDP and LP are subdued and turned to toothless dog.
A one party system turns the citizens and on the global scale weaker countries to Slaves. Simple as that.
There is no one to check the excesses of the ruling party or leading country in the case of US. That is disaster waiting.
Also, US would have gone all out to destroy Russia long time ago but what held them back is the Russian nuclear missile submarine called Poseidon and Belgorod.
They are invisible to radar thereby throwing the US off guard and putting them on edges.
The US fears an attack on Russia will make Poseidon strike US with no time to intervene.
During the cold war era, the US beat the Russians to the air power.
The US feared the Russians can strike them with missiles thereby developed satellites to detect early shots of missiles, track it and detect it's course, speed and direction and thereby trigger a and intercepting missile from a land station to neutralize it but the advent of Poseidon was a game changer.
It is hard installing a sonar (water radar) that can detect early warning for underwater missiles shot unlike open air satellites and this singular factor has kept the US in check

emmaodet:


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.reuters.com/world/us-japan-develop-hypersonic-missile-interceptor-yomiuri-2023-08-13/&ved=2ahUKEwjouJL5iemAAxVWgv0HHSFzAIMQFnoECAwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1BNTW8iXUr4dSdzHMHTGFC

The US and Japan are planning to build hypersonic missile interceptor.
Again, so as to contain China and Russia to their own region hole US is safe from any attack.
The US is ready to go all out and fight dirty to retain the present system that benefits them alone and will do anything possible to fight and bring down any competition on the way.
Funny enough, most people who are supporting US in retaining the present system see everything wrong in Nigeria running a one party system of APC where all other parties like PDP and LP are subdued and turned to toothless dog.
A one party system turns the citizens and on the global scale weaker countries to Slaves. Simple as that.
There is no one to check the excesses of the ruling party or leading country in the case of US. That is disaster waiting.
Also, US would have gone all out to destroy Russia long time ago but what held them back is the Russian nuclear missile submarine called Poseidon and Belgorod.
They are invisible to radar thereby throwing the US off guard and putting them on edges.
The US fears an attack on Russia will make Poseidon strike US with no time to intervene.
During the cold war era, the US beat the Russians to the air power.
The US feared the Russians can strike them with missiles thereby developed satellites to detect early shots of missiles, track it and detect it's course, speed and direction and thereby trigger a and intercepting missile from a land station to neutralize it but the advent of Poseidon was a game changer.
It is hard installing a sonar (water radar) that can detect early warning for underwater missiles shot unlike open air satellites and this singular factor has kept the US in check

That singular mistake is their very undoing. China isn't really loud with their military progress and that's what scares the USA the most. For Russia, to an extent they know her capability but can't match it still.. Which is really worse.