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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 6:17pm On Mar 10, 2025
ObaIgwe1:
So you think it's simply by the number of Military personnel?

What is the total number of military personnel of Israel vs that of Lebanon + Syria + Iran + Hamas combined?
and how come they have not been able to wiped out Israel?

And for the records, NATO has a combined military personnel of 3.42 million of which US contributes 1.33 million troop.

But it's not just by the number of military personnel, Türkiye has almost double of UK or Germany personnel, but you and I know Turkey cannot withstand either of them.

Also no matter how big US military is and how small the rest of NATO is, the alliance only make US stronger. NATO without US can withstand either of Russia or China, it will just be bloody, ( an experiment no one prays to see), I know they cannot boast of defeating Russia + China, so also you and I know that US cannot easily take out Russia + China alone too.
No one in NATO minus US has the battle readiness of the US, How many of those 3.4m have fought a war in the last 30yrs? You think its by doing twerking and dance exercise?

These 3.4m are pissing their pants once US threatened to pull out of NATO
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 6:18pm On Mar 10, 2025
raumdeuter:
So you have the answer or Not?


Before Trump USMCA was Canada placing a tariff on US products? If yes what percent?
Before Trump USMCA was US placing a tariff on Canada products, If yes, what percent?
You should debate yourself. I'm sure you'll take every position in this in your intellectual dishonesty.

Again, ask Trump the question.
Or ask yourself why Trump thinks the deal he struck is ass.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Maeve7: 6:18pm On Mar 10, 2025
cococandy:
Something that should’ve clearly been banned from public consumption grin
It has triggered some previously dormant condition.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Android17:
Botragelad:
Lol, was the Euromaidan not an uprising by the Ukrainian people against a corrupt and authoritarian government. Tell me otherwise.

If it was a US-backed coup, why did it take months of sustained protests and bloodshed to overthrow Yanukovych? Surely, the CIA could have just sent in a few guys in black suits to sort it out, couldn't they?

How about the million people march in Kyiv demanding his resignation? Were they all paid by the US?😂
By the way, why did you ignore my previous questions. Why am I obligated to answer yours when you couldn't provide a single answer to mine! 🤷🏼
I didn't ignore them.

You're completely incoherent and uncoordinated. I had to handle your posts piecemeal style as you are very convinced of your CNN nonsense.

I've read over 500 (7500 to go) pages of Scott Hortons' "Provoked". I've listened to every major seminar conducted by Jeffrey Sachs, John Mearshiermer, Scott Ritter.

I actively listen to Judge Neapolitano (and everyone he interviews) Victor Hanson, Thomas Sowell. I can go on and on.

I even posted Oliver Stone's documentary on Ukraine from 2016. He interviewed Putin as well as all the major stakeholders. He predicted everything we see today.

I had to give you a snippet of the type of content I've consumed. If you think you would just tack flimsy, superficial incohesive nonsense my way, you have a long thing coming.

I know where to compartmentalize you now.

Maybe look for Chris Murphy from 2014 (on VIDEO) explaining the US's role in that protest. Then take several seats.

You're a learner.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 6:18pm On Mar 10, 2025
Raumdeuter, everyone in the US is still happy right?

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Ibime(m): 6:22pm On Mar 10, 2025
raumdeuter:
2-3% mortgage rates will not happen IMO is we see lower 4% sef make we thank God. Na covid bring those 2% rates and will never happen. I have a friend who was able to get 1.5% in Jan 2021 peak covid
2008 crash saw feds drop rate to 0-0.25%. It can happen again easily with market crash. I saw 2% rate in 2011.

It can and will happen again, infact the wealthy class have come to rely on it. It's the only reason why we have people like Musk and Zuckerberg today who are products of zero interest rate environment. These are guys wey suppose worth $20-30 bln if not for QE and cheap credit. Who want hammer now need low interest rate and Trump, (especially Eric Trump wey dey run the parole) want hammer.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by happney65: 6:23pm On Mar 10, 2025
"Republicans inherited one of the strongest stock markets in history and in 1 month they've bleeped it all up."

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 6:24pm On Mar 10, 2025
Ibime:
It's not about defeat. Russia is also exhausted of manpower, logistics and have been under strict Capital controls for too long with crazy interest rates.

At this point a wise leader will play the game so Russia takes Crimea, and even Donetsk and Luhansk but give back their part of Zaporizhia and Kherson while holding back their $300bln for Ukraine reparations. They will also bring in China to apply pressure from the other side.

Putin can sell that to his people since his stated aim was taking Donetsk, Luhansk and "denazification" which means regime change. He can spin denazification however he likes and come out with his head held high.

What Trump is doing is setting them up to take all 4 regions by weakening Ukraine, not pay any reparations and resume normal trading relationships with the West. That is unconscionable to Europeans and the message has been that they will not resume normal relationship with Russia under those circumstances, nor will they return the seized money. So it is up to Trump now as to whether he is willing to sanction European countries for holding Russian money, let's see how much he lives Russia. This matter done serious pass wetin you imagine.
China is already aligning with Russia on this war. Russia was even able to pull some men from North Korea to join their frontier. How many Western European nations that are used to soft life want to go on battle fronts? Some EU cities are already protesting that they are not going to join Ukraine war

Ukraine is now forcing young men to join in wars, a problem which Russian aligned nations dont have. China, NKorea, Iran Russia their men dont have that choice to opt out unlike Western Europeans

With the current momentum, Russia will capture more. In the past 3yrs with NATO and US full support, Ukraine has lost 20% of its territories, Now imagine with less

Dont worry when they start asking for enlistment from UK, thats when you and Buda will remember that Tinubu is your president and your anthem is "Nigeria we hail thee"
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 6:25pm On Mar 10, 2025
IjeBos:
You should debate yourself. I'm sure you'll take every position in this in your intellectual dishonesty.

Again, ask Trump the question.
Or ask yourself why Trump thinks the deal he struck is ass.
If you dont have enough brain power to debate, then sit your asss back and stick to liking posts.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 6:26pm On Mar 10, 2025
Ibime:
2008 crash saw feds drop rate to 0-0.25%. It can happen again easily with market crash. I saw 2% rate in 2011.

It can and will happen again, infact the wealthy class have come to rely on it. It's the only reason why we have people like Musk and Zuckerberg today who are products of zero interest rate environment. These are guys wey suppose worth $20-30 bln if not for QE and cheap credit. Who want hammer now need low interest rate and Trump, (especially Eric Trump wey dey run the parole) want hammer.
Part of me thinks Trump and co. may be trying to crash the economy on purpose and in the vain of Economic stimulus, to get the FED to reduce interest rates and make his tax cuts palatable.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 6:27pm On Mar 10, 2025
IjeBos:
Ramdeuter, everyone in the US is still happy right?
Very happy with President Trump except for the permanently disgruntled like you. Its the reason why Democrats are polling at 20% approval rate
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 6:28pm On Mar 10, 2025
raumdeuter:
If you dont have enough brain power to debate, then sit your asss back and stick to liking posts.
Every debate you and I have had, you've lost.
What you do, intellectual dishonesty and gaslighting isn't debating.
You aren't intelligent enough to debate and so you employ the tools of idiots, thus making debating you exhausting.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 6:29pm On Mar 10, 2025
raumdeuter:
Very happy with President Trump except for the permanently disgruntled like you. Its the reason why Democrats are polling at 20% approval rate
The cult is strong in you.
Almost like Baghdad Bob.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Ibime(m): 6:31pm On Mar 10, 2025
raumdeuter:
China is already aligning with Russia on this war. Russia was even able to pull some men from North Korea to join their frontier. How many Western European nations that are used to soft life want to go on battle fronts? Some EU cities are already protesting that they are not going to join Ukraine war

Ukraine is now forcing young men to join in wars, a problem which Russian aligned nations dont have. China, NKorea, Iran Russia their men dont have that choice to opt out unlike Western Europeans

With the current momentum, Russia will capture more. In the past 3yrs with NATO and US full support, Ukraine has lost 20% of its territories, Now imagine with less

Dont worry when they start asking for enlistment from UK, thats when you and Buda will remember that Tinubu is your president and your anthem is "Nigeria we hail thee"
On the contrary, Russia already captured most of Ukraine to the gates of Kiev within the first 2 weeks with surprise attack. They simply withdrew to what they hold now and have not made great progress percentage wise for the last 3 years. Ukraine has made more km2 progress after the first month of the war than Russia has. Also Russia already held 10% before the war either themselves or via rebels

This is a drone war. Na drone dey kill man, and progress is slow. No be Panza dash across open fields. Russian soldiers at present are moving with horses in some instance. Don't think Russia is winning bigly because that's what Maga world wants you to think. Gains are excruciatingly slow. You fit use one month capture one small village. This is man against drone.

Ukraine can only collapse if US withdraw intelligence, Starlink and air-defence of its vital industries. Ukraine is already the foremost country in the Western world in small drone production.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 6:33pm On Mar 10, 2025
raumdeuter:
China is already aligning with Russia on this war. Russia was even able to pull some men from North Korea to join their frontier. How many Western European nations that are used to soft life want to go on battle fronts? Some EU cities are already protesting that they are not going to join Ukraine war

Ukraine is now forcing young men to join in wars, a problem which Russian aligned nations dont have. China, NKorea, Iran Russia their men dont have that choice to opt out unlike Western Europeans

With the current momentum, Russia will capture more. In the past 3yrs with NATO and US full support, Ukraine has lost 20% of its territories, Now imagine with less

Dont worry when they start asking for enlistment from UK, thats when you and Buda will remember that Tinubu is your president and your anthem is "Nigeria we hail thee"
Ukraine never had any full support from NATO. They have been fighting with one hand behind their backs. What's the point of giving them weapons and telling them they cannot be offensive with those weapons. How long it took to give them tanks and jets?

What's keeping Ukraine alive is 60% their drone tech, 40% NATO equipments. NATO is disgraceful in their support for Ukraine.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 6:35pm On Mar 10, 2025
Ibime:
On the contrary, Russia already captured most of Ukraine to the gates of Kiev within the first 2 weeks with surprise attack. They simply withdrew to what they hold now and have not made great progress percentage wise for the last 3 years. Ukraine has made more km2 progress after the first month of the war than Russia has. Also Russia already held 10% before the war either themselves or via rebels

This is a drone war. Na drone dey kill man, and progress is slow. No be Panza dash across open fields. Russian soldiers at present are moving with horses in some instance. Don't think Russia is winning bigly because that's what Maga world wants you to think. Gains are excruciatingly slow. You fit use one month capture one small village. This is man against drone.

Ukraine can only collapse if US withdraw intelligence, Starlink and air-defence of its vital industries. Ukraine is already the foremost country in the Western world in small drone production.
They did not withdrew, they were annihilated and pushed back. Their stated goal was to invade and end the war by taking over Kyiv.

Ukraine was not prepared as they never thought Russia was going to invade the way they did.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Android17: 6:35pm On Mar 10, 2025
Those who like to know why I come back to rub it in when I am right again:

- Russia will get every penny of their stolen money. They'll use some of it to rebuild Ukraine.

- Trump has no intentions of funding the lost war. He is only trying to get that minerals deal switched from UK to the USA - but he can't. Zelensky signed with UK (that's why he went back there after the white house fiasco).

- Zelensky is not a legitimate president so any deals signed will be revoked after he is ousted. Martial Law nonsense only works for fools who take their news from lame street media sources. Martial Law only comes into effect after an OFFICIAL declaration of war. There has been no official declaration of war.

- Zelensky knows this (as do UK) which is why they need the US to back this war to protect their grift. That's why they've invested in removing a Russian-leaning Ukrainian President in 2014.

- US intelligence is aware of this which is part of why Trump ignored their overtures. They're scrambling because the burst is upon them.

- Putin is offering US more minerals than Ukraine ever could. Russia has more and have all the cards. They won't accept NATO forces in Ukraine. That's why Trump won't. Trump will rather sign that deal with Russia than Zelensky who 1. Does not and, 2. Cannot keep his words.

- UK leading the beggers from France and the rest of NATO will try to do ba lé for Trump again cap-in-arms. He will say no to perpetuating the war. Ursula's calls are getting bounced.

- Without US support, Ukraine will beg for a peace agreement which will sanction Zelensky and forbid Ukraine from joining NATO. Russia and Trump won't work with Zelensky. I suspect the 2nd name in this will be the Ukrainian President.

- War ends (due to lack of US support)

If I am right, I'll come back to explain why that number 2 name became the president of Ukraine. grin

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 6:38pm On Mar 10, 2025
raumdeuter:
I have properties on >7% rates, Last week I was just told rates has hit 6.5% I am waiting to see if it reaches 5.5 so I can refi.

I am all for whatever Trump is cooking
And I have properties that preceded him at 2-3% before he ruined the economy and housing market his first go around. Before he ruined the economy Obama gifted us.

You’re suffering the effects of his first term and still supporting him. Now you’ll be grateful for 5% when you had it better before he came along.

Like tinubu taking the cost of petroleum from 450 to 1500. Then when he finally settles it at 800, he’ll tell the citizens to be happy because he’s saved the country money.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Botragelad: 6:40pm On Mar 10, 2025
Android17:
I didn't ignore them.

You're completely incoherent and uncoordinated. I had to handle your posts piecemeal style as you are very convinced of your CNN nonsense.

I've read over 500 (7500 to go) pages of Scott Hortons' "Unprovoked". I've listened to every major seminar conducted by Jeffrey Sachs, John Mearshiermer, Scott Ritter.

I actively listen to Judge Napolitano. Victor Hanson, Thomas Sowell. I can go on and on.

I even posted Oliver Stones documentary on Ukraine from 2016. He interviewed Putin as well as all the major stakeholders. He predicted everything we see today.

I had to give you a snippet of the type of content I've consumed. If you think you would just tack flimsy, superficial incohesive nonsense my way, you have a long thing coming.

I know where to compartmentalize you now.

Maybe look for Chris Murphy from 2014 (on VIDEO) explaining the US's role in that protest. Then take several seats.

You're a learner.
What's the point of all your reading if you're a bit slow on the uptake? Instead of actually addressing my points, you're foaming in the mouth about your life story. Am I supposed to care about that?😂

How do you explain the fact that these protests started off all peaceful, because Yanukovych threw out the EU deal, then suddenly it blew up into a nationwide thing? Again, were all those people on Maidan, students, workers, old age pensioners, secret CIA agents, were they? Tell us how the US also organised the pulling down of Lenin's statue or the building of those makeshift barricades by ordinary people. Honestly, you lot can be weird sometimes, trying to sound clever.

You're boasting about reading Scott Horton and watching Oliver Stone's documentary, but they weren't exactly dodging bullets or facing the riot squad on Maidan, were they? Meanwhile, the raw footage from "Euromaidan: Rough Cut" shows normal Ukrainians turning into proper soldiers. Are you saying they were just acting out a script from Langley!🤷🏼

If millions of Russians marched in Moscow demanding that Putin resign and they were met with snipers and riot police, would you call that a foreign backed coup too?

Boy, you mentioned Chris Murphy’s comments from '14 but conveniently ignore the fact that Euromaidan was basically about years of frustration over corruption, kleptocracy, and Yanukovych's authoritarian ways. Now, even if foreign diplomats chipped in with some support for the protesters, does that wipe away the agency of millions of Ukrainians who risked their lives?

Keep on spewing nonsense to fit your Kremlin spiel. Let's see how you ignore the questions and detach from reality again.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 6:40pm On Mar 10, 2025
Botragelad:
Just another Putin fan boy. 😂😂
Victoria Nuland is all you need to know about Maidan? Right, and I suppose all you need to know about astrophysics is a telescope!

Enjoy your Kremlin garbage.
I didn't mean you check out how mamy times she sips black tea.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by armyofone(m): 6:43pm On Mar 10, 2025
So long USAID! May each country takes on the mantle and tarry on!
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Android17: 6:47pm On Mar 10, 2025
Botragelad:
What's the point of all your reading if you're a bit slow on the uptake? Instead of actually addressing my points, you're foaming in the mouth about your life story. Am I supposed to care about that?😂

How do you explain the fact that these protests started off all peaceful, because Yanukovych threw out the EU deal, then suddenly it blew up into a nationwide thing? Again, were all those people on Maidan, students, workers, old age pensioners, secret CIA agents, were they? Tell us how the US also organised the pulling down of Lenin's statue or the building of those makeshift barricades by ordinary people. Honestly, you lot can be weird sometimes, trying to sound clever.

You're boasting about reading Scott Horton and watching Oliver Stone's documentary, but they weren't exactly dodging bullets or facing the riot squad on Maidan, were they? Meanwhile, the raw footage from "Euromaidan: Rough Cut" shows normal Ukrainians turning into proper soldiers. Are you saying they were just acting out a script from Langley!🤷🏼

If millions of Russians marched in Moscow demanding that Putin resign and they were met with snipers and riot police, would you call that a foreign backed coup too?

Boy, you mentioned Chris Murphy’s comments from '14 but conveniently ignore the fact that Euromaidan was basically about years of frustration over corruption, kleptocracy, and Yanukovych's authoritarian ways. Now, even if foreign diplomats chipped in with some support for the protesters, does that wipe away the agency of millions of Ukrainians who risked their lives?

Keep on spewing nonsense to fit your Kremlin spiel. Let's see how you ignore the questions and detach from reality again.
I'm not reading this nonsense beyond this point -

How do you explain the fact that these protests started off all peaceful, because Yanukovych threw out the EU deal
Just to prove you are merely a recorded tape of dumb narratives only fit for fools.

What were the summarized conditions of that deal that Yanukovych rejected? What was his official reason for rejecting it?

See how to isolate your points in bits? I want to get your gears rolling.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by armyofone(m): 6:51pm On Mar 10, 2025
raumdeuter:
I have properties on >7% rates, Last week I was just told rates has hit 6.5% I am waiting to see if it reaches 5.5 so I can refi.

I am all for whatever Trump is cooking
The cooking rate should be 3.0% or less not 5 5%
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Botragelad: 6:56pm On Mar 10, 2025
Android17:
I'm not reading this nonsense beyond this point -


Just to prove you are merely a recorded tape of dumb narratives only fit for fools.

What were the summarized conditions of that deal that Yanukovych rejected? What was his official reason for rejecting it?

See how to isolate your points in bits? I want to get your gears rolling.
Why should I read your nonsense if you won't bother to read mine? 😂
Wallow in shame. All you've done is repeat Russia nonsense without addressing any of my previous statement.

You want to know the "summarized conditions" of the EU Association Agreement and Yanukovych's "official reason" for rejecting it? Fine. The deal involved things like regulatory alignment, free trade zones, etc. Yanukovych, in his infinite wisdom (or rather, Putin's), claimed it would harm Ukraine's relations with Russia. Does that make any sense?😂

Time to run around and vomit the same Kremlin trash. I'm waiting! 😂😂
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Android17: 6:57pm On Mar 10, 2025
Most of you lack critical thinking.

Okay, so if Russia are supposedly struggling with 20% of Ukraine, how were they supposed to then take over Europe? Both objectives CANNOT emanate from the same source.

Think critically.
Russia cannot simultaneously announce they want the whole of Ukraine
- when they're struggling with capturing it

And then want all of Europe
- if they can't capture Ukraine.

That's the foolishness your media will propagate to justify taking your tax money to fund a war.

In 2001, a poll was conducted (this is ONLINE as I type) asking Americans to vote on what justification was needed for a war in Iraq. Guess what the results showed? If there was irrefutable proof that the sovereign nation had a WMD program.

Same with Assad and Syria - Chemical weapons BS. Then all of a sudden, Assad was accused of doing same and Obama got his justification.

Rinse. Repeat.

- Did Putin want a peace deal signed 1 week into the SMO?
- Did the conditions of that peace deal not favor Ukraine much more than the present one being offered?
- why did Zelensky reject that deal he was going to sign?

Remember this when you believe Russia wanted Kiev.
Remember this when you believe Russia wanted a war they had been avoiding since 2014.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Android17: 7:02pm On Mar 10, 2025
Botragelad:
Why should I read your nonsense if you won't bother to read mine? 😂
Wallow in shame. All you've done is repeat Russia nonsense without addressing any of my previous statement.

You want to know the "summarized conditions" of the EU Association Agreement and Yanukovych's "official reason" for rejecting it? Fine. The deal involved things like regulatory alignment, free trade zones, etc. Yanukovych, in his infinite wisdom (or rather, Putin's), claimed it would harm Ukraine's relations with Russia. Does that make any sense?😂

Time to run around and vomit the same Kremlin trash. I'm waiting! 😂😂
You had to start with ad hominem and end with it because your actual argument is vacuous. Why you think you will pose that my way is beyond comical.

Vitor Yanukovych rejected the deal because amongst other things (energy prices to Ukrainians, engineering bioweapons etc which were unfavorable to his citizens) the deal also recommended cutting off completely from Russia culturally, politically, technologically, militarily, materially, and otherwise.

Why would Ukraine want that if Russia was offering the same loan at far less of those conditions?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ObaIgwe1: 7:05pm On Mar 10, 2025
raumdeuter:
No one in NATO minus US has the battle readiness of the US, How many of those 3.4m have fought a war in the last 30yrs? You think its by doing twerking and dance exercise?

These 3.4m are pissing their pants once US threatened to pull out of NATO
Lol then let US go alone and let's see how stronger or weaker she becomes. It might even help the rest of NATO to sit up... Strength is not by making mouth as Trump is doing.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Ibime(m):
Nigga demented and arguing with himself in his own head

You would think Valerie Zaluzhny is pro-Russian and not even as anti-Russian as Zelensky or even worse, and led the fightback against Russia

A sane mind would have seen that that invalidates his central argument that Ukrainian leadership is a plant and not the will of the people

It doesn't matter to democracies who is leader as long as their wishes are respected. Whether Zelensky, Klitschko, Zaluzhny or someone else, they all speak with the same voice on the matter. Nigga would think he's discovered gold while deluding himself. Zaluzhny is loved by the Ukrainian people, including most of the same people who love Zelensky. They are soldiers of the same struggle.

A neo-communist lover of authoritarianism and idol worshipper with no political grounding can never understand that, that's why they have seething hatred of opponents of their idol even within his own party. That's why they think we care about Biden, Boris Johnson, Rishi Sunak or whoever as they do to their God. Centrists are not idol worshippers, they only care about systems and shared values. Soldier come, soldier go, barracks remain.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 7:10pm On Mar 10, 2025
bemeruca:
2million Muslims are living in Israel.
None of those Israel Arabs in the case of a two state solution will relinquish their Israeli citizenship for a Palestinian one.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Android17: 7:13pm On Mar 10, 2025
Nobody cares about you. You're the COVIDiot I made look like a fool for arguing genetic modification.

Take several seats.

Nobody mentioned Valeri being Pro-Russian. You always project and then blame others for your own DOCUMENTED Schizo.

The only thing mentioned there was who was likely to replace Zelensky. I only said I'd hold off on explaining why Trump and Putin bought into it.

Losers don't have an opinion when the spoils of war are being discussed. You already lost. See your own previous predictions for proof.

Bow-legged smallfry.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Ibime(m): 7:19pm On Mar 10, 2025
Still arguing with himself grin grin grin
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 7:29pm On Mar 10, 2025
Botragelad:
What's the point of all your reading if you're a bit slow on the uptake? Instead of actually addressing my points, you're foaming in the mouth about your life story. Am I supposed to care about that?😂

How do you explain the fact that these protests started off all peaceful, because Yanukovych threw out the EU deal, then suddenly it blew up into a nationwide thing? Again, were all those people on Maidan, students, workers, old age pensioners, secret CIA agents, were they? Tell us how the US also organised the pulling down of Lenin's statue or the building of those makeshift barricades by ordinary people. Honestly, you lot can be weird sometimes, trying to sound clever.

You're boasting about reading Scott Horton and watching Oliver Stone's documentary, but they weren't exactly dodging bullets or facing the riot squad on Maidan, were they? Meanwhile, the raw footage from "Euromaidan: Rough Cut" shows normal Ukrainians turning into proper soldiers. Are you saying they were just acting out a script from Langley!🤷🏼

If millions of Russians marched in Moscow demanding that Putin resign and they were met with snipers and riot police, would you call that a foreign backed coup too?

Boy, you mentioned Chris Murphy’s comments from '14 but conveniently ignore the fact that Euromaidan was basically about years of frustration over corruption, kleptocracy, and Yanukovych's authoritarian ways. Now, even if foreign diplomats chipped in with some support for the protesters, does that wipe away the agency of millions of Ukrainians who risked their lives?

Keep on spewing nonsense to fit your Kremlin spiel. Let's see how you ignore the questions and detach from reality again.
There are always people who are unhappy with any regine .
Victoria Nuland lit the spark.
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