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Ken4Christ:
The fullness of God dwells in Jesus. Haven’t you read that?

Yes sir.
Just like the fullness of Christ dwells in me and you. But are we Christ because his fullness dwells in us?
This is Bible interpretation sir. There is no relationship that happens between the Father a d the son that the son does not accord the same between us and him.

Thanks.

Ken4Christ:
Jesus is the visible manifestation of the invisible God. He is a different person but one with God. If you see Jesus, you have seen the Father. You can't see the Father with flesh and bones. Jesus is the one who reveals him

Are you saying God was that turned to Jesus?

cornelboy:
Are you saying God was that turned to Jesus?

The scripture says so:

John 1:1=4,14
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, AND THE WORD WAS GOD

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

14 And the Word WAS MADE FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The Prophets foretold it:
Isaiah 7:14
14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel

Immanuel means God with us:

Isaiah 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus affirmed it:
John 14:9-11
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

He claimed pre-existence:

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.

Only God pre existed.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the GLORY WHICH I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.

immaculatesense:
Yes sir.
Just like the fullness of Christ dwells in me and you. But are we Christ because his fullness dwells in us?
This is Bible interpretation sir. There is no relationship that happens between the Father a d the son that the son does not accord the same between us and him.

Thanks.

The differences between Jesus and us are:

1. Jesus is God but we are gods
2. Jesus is the one appointed to judge the dead and the living.

cornelboy:
I would rather focus on what the bible teaches, rather than my imagination. If you believe Jesus is different person from the Father, how come Jesus is now the father?

He's just a thief using the old traditional way of threatening people to join religion (Hellfire)
Apart from that he knows nothing that is why he always feels bad when he notice how competent JWs are so since he can't back what he's saying with God's word his next comment is "you will burn in hell"
If Jesus is the father then who was Jesus praying to?
To whom was Jesus being loyal?
Was he praying to himself and loyal to himself?
Compare to the two artistic impressions below and see which one is the real Jesus!

Ken4Christ:
The differences between Jesus and us are:
1. Jesus is God but we are gods
2. Jesus is the one appointed to judge the dead and the living.

When God appointed David as king in Israel does that makes David another creature than man?
So when God appointed one of His sons in heaven as judge it doesn't change his being as one of God's sons to God Himself.
Pastor Piri get that into your empty skull!

Ken4Christ:
The differences between Jesus and us are:

1. Jesus is God but we are gods
2. Jesus is the one appointed to judge the dead and the living.

Correct sir.
The difference between the Father and the Son are
1. The Son proceeds from the Father, the Father proceeds from mo one.
2. The Father delegated ALL his powers to the Son while the Son returns all the glory to the Father.

SIR, YOU HAVE NOT REPLIED TO MY SEVEN POINTS RESOLUTION. I WILL BE EXPECTING YOUR RESPONSE.

Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
When God appointed David as king in Israel does that makes David another creature than man?
So when God appointed one of His sons in heaven as judge it doesn't change his being as one of God's sons to God Himself.
Pastor Piri get that into your empty skull!

Jesus is not one of the many sons. Jesus is the only son. Hebrews 1:5 from your own Bible.
Hebrews 1:5; For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”? And again: “I will become his father, and he will become my son”?

So, if you want to add angels to it don't forget to add Adam because he was as called the son of God in Luke 3:38.
And don't forget to add us too because we are also sons and daughters of God.

Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
He's just a thief using the old traditional way of threatening people to join religion (Hellfire)
Apart from that he knows nothing that is why he always feels bad when he notice how competent JWs are so since he can't back what he's saying with God's word his next comment is "you will burn in hell"
If Jesus is the father then who was Jesus praying to?
To whom was Jesus being loyal?
Was he praying to himself and loyal to himself?
Compare to the two artistic impressions below and see which one is the real Jesus!

Max
Calling someone a thief is not civil and it is disrespectful. Please, retract the statement or apologize. Please.

immaculatesense:
Jesus is not one of the many sons. Jesus is the only son.

Wrong!
Only BEGOTTEN son which means he is the only creature that God made all by Himself.

immaculatesense:
Max
Calling someone a thief is not civil and it is disrespectful. Please, retract the statement or apologize. Please.

He is a THIEF calling others Cult simply because we are teaching the truth that is jeopardizing his chances of extorting money from people.
If you don't see him as a thief that's your own opinion but from my own biblical perspective the guy is a thief!

MaxInDHouse:
For your information Russell and others are the Apostles of our time ..

That is why I said you were lying when you were trying to claim the little group in Matthew 28:20 was your Russell cooperative society. Oléeeee.

As you forget David Koresh's, Oyedepo, Ebuka followers also claimed the same thing.

StillDtruth:
That is why I said you were lying when you were trying to claim the little group in Matthew 28:20 was your Russell cooperative society. Oléeeee.
As you forget David Koresh's, Oyedepo, Ebuka followers also claimed the same thing.

Good!
So which is false and which is true?
Or are you of the opinion that there is no church of God where Christ is actively leading his people?

MaxInDHouse:
Good!
So which is false and which is true?
Or are you of the opinion that there is no church of God where Christ is actively leading his people?

Mathew 7:16 has already answered this.

MaxInDHouse:
He is a THIEF calling others Cult simply because we are teaching the truth that is jeopardizing his chances of extorting money from people.
If you don't see him as a thief that's your own opinion but from my own biblical perspective the guy is a thief!

If he called your organization cult, then he is also wrong and I hope he also apologize.
But two wrong do not make a right.

Thanks

Truthseeker10:
How is my question invalid?

That is the meaning of "Off Point".

StillDtruth:
Mathew 7:16 has already answered this.

But you can't point to one at least just one which means you don't believe God is able to preserve His church!

MaxInDHouse:
Wrong!
Only BEGOTTEN son which means he is the only creature that God made all by Himself.

Read my modified and read Hebrews 1:5.
Adam was also God's son in Luke 3:38. What about that, so we plenty because I am also a son of God if that is your context. Abi

immaculatesense:
If he called your organization cult, then he is also wrong and I hope he also apologize. But two wrong do not make a right. Thanks

Who cares for apology?
I can use the Bible to prove that he is a thief so let him prove that jw.org is a cult we will both use the Bible.
There's no need for apology if he truly feels jw.org is a cult group that's a welcome development but he needs to use the Bible to prove it while i use God's word to prove that he is a thief!

MaxInDHouse:
Who cares for apology?
I can use the Bible to prove that he is a thief so let him prove that jw.org is a cult we will both use the Bible.
There's no need for apology if he truly feels jw.org is a cult group that's a welcome development but he needs to use the Bible to prove it while i use God's word to prove that he is a thief!

Okay sir. A thief must steal something. Sir, can you proof with evidence like you said you will what he had stolen?
Thanks

immaculatesense:
Read my modified and read Hebrews 1:5.
Adam was also God's son in Luke 3:38. What about that, so we plenty because I am also a son of God if that is your context. Abi

All intelligent beings humans and angels are God's children the difference is some are spirit beings while we are human that doesn't change the fact that the first born of creation is part of creation.

MaxInDHouse:
All intelligent beings humans and angels are God's children the difference is some are spirit beings while we are human that doesn't change the fact that the first born of creation is part of creation.

Sure. If that is your context. Correct.
1. Jesus is the son of God
2. Angels are sons of God
3. Adam is the son of God
4. The righteous are sons of God and daughters of God.

If that is what you mean. Then correct. That is the position found in scriptures.

Thanks.

immaculatesense:
Okay sir. A thief must steal something. Sir, can you proof with evidence like you said you will what he had stolen?
Thanks

According to God's word tithing was instituted among ancient Israelites so that the system of worship will run smoothly since Levites weren't given any inheritance when they left Egypt.
But when Christianity was established the tithing cease because they weren't practicing the old system of worship again {Hebrews 7:5-12} this impostor keeps speaking against God's organized people because we teach people that tithe is unchristian practice.
Secondly he publish books and sell to people claiming how to increase members of the church which is unchristian because the church can only increase through adequate preaching and teaching of God's word anything aside from that is paganism but because he wants to extort money from people he keeps on advertising his useless books in the name of Jesus who said:

You received free, give free.

That makes him a confirmed thief!

immaculatesense:
Sure. If that is your context. Correct.
1. Jesus is the son of God
2. Angels are sons of God
3. Adam is the son of God
4. The righteous are sons of God and daughters of God. If that is what you mean. Then correct. That is the position found in scriptures. Thanks.

Whether you agree or not the fact remains that Jesus who is the firstborn of all creations is part of creation!

MaxInDHouse:
But you can't point to one at least just one which means you don't believe God is able to preserve His church!

Did thou not hear that it is Written neither shall ye worship on this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem nor at redemption camp nor at assembly hall nor at church?

StillDtruth:
Did thou not hear that it is Written neither shall ye worship on this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem nor at redemption camp nor at assembly hall nor at church?

LIAR!

Quote scripture o!

True Christians worshiped in the upper chamber at Pentecost {Act 2:1-3} that is a sign God approved their meeting together {Hebrews 10:24-25} and God's blessings will be on all honest hearted attendees! Psalms 133:1-3

So if you're not joining any assembly of worshipers you are a confirmed atheist because that's the same reason they are running away from ORGANIZED WORSHIP!

MaxInDHouse:
LIAR!

Quote scripture o!

True Christians worshiped in the upper chamber at Pentecost {Act 2:1-3} that is a sign God approved their meeting together {Hebrews 10:24-25} and God's blessings will be on all honest hearted attendees! Psalms 133:1-3

So if you're not joining any assembly of worshipers you are a confirmed atheist because that's the same reason they are running away from ORGANIZED WORSHIP!

That was why it was Written "the hour cometh

And clearly today, that hour has come as proven by their fruits.

StillDtruth:
That was why it was Written "the hour cometh
And clearly today, that hour has come as proven by their fruits.

Quote Bible guy QUOTE God's word not just saying things off head.

@ immaculate
See another poster here talking to your friend Ken:

psucc:
So what they did was sold to other preachers? Everyone saw or knows what they did -preach the Word. They didn't sell? Take your marketing strategy off the Church. You cannot add a soul to the Church. It's the Spirit of God that does that.

Please what does marketing his books has to do with God's congregation if he's not a THIEF?

immaculatesense:
Correct sir.
The difference between the Father and the Son are
1. The Son proceeds from the Father, the Father proceeds from mo one.
2. The Father delegated ALL his powers to the Son while the Son returns all the glory to the Father.

SIR, YOU HAVE NOT REPLIED TO MY SEVEN POINTS RESOLUTION. I WILL BE EXPECTING YOUR RESPONSE.

Thanks.

Please remind me. I have forgotten. Seven point resolution?

MaxInDHouse:
When God appointed David as king in Israel does that makes David another creature than man?
So when God appointed one of His sons in heaven as judge it doesn't change his being as one of God's sons to God Himself.
Pastor Piri get that into your empty skull!

You will perish in your ignorance.

Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.

The sense in which angels are called sons of God is not the same as that of Jesus.

Ken4Christ:
You will perish in your ignorance.
Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. The sense in which angels are called sons of God is not the same as that of Jesus.

You've perished already because Jesus is the only creature God made by Himself that's why he is rightly called the firstborn of all creation {Colossians 1:15} he is not God or the father! John 17:3