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Antichristian2:
➜Why is Jesus urging them to pray to the father in heaven when the son is on earth and the son and father are together and one?
➜ I still don't understand why Jesus, a God that became man kept praying to God throughout his life time. I would say he was the only God that had another God he prays in times of need!

Antichristian2:
➜Why was God praying before healing? If God sent Jesus then isn't he a messenger? Why is he letting people see him pray to God? How many Gods have you seen pray to another God?
➜ Ah! Ah! Jesus came to die, he come dey pray make the death pass am! God suppose pray? God dey die? God even dey turn human? What he unaware of his mission to die again?
➜So Jesus was calling a superior God when suffer enter am! Jesus is even calling on God accusing him of forsaking him! Isn't he God again?
➜Was Satan trying to coax God to worship him? I mean Satan according to Job 1 appeared before God with the sons of God to whine God to tempt Job! He should have seen Jesus beside God back then! He didn't recognise God wey turn man! And Jesus was even saying only God alone deserves all worship. Satan no get respect o! Satan later took God to the highest
➜Again, how can Jesus who is a God have another God? If the father is a God to the son, is the son also a God to the father? In Isaiah 45:5, Yahweh siad "I am the LORD (YHWH), and there is no other; there is no God but Me. In Deuteronomy 4:35,
"You were shown these things so that you would know that the LORD is God; there is no other besides Him."
Also in Deuteronomy 32:39, "See now that I am He; there is no God besides Me. I bring death and I give life; I wound and I heal, and there is no one who can deliver from My hand".

17. The Lord is your God. He is the God of gods and the Lord of lords. He is the great God. He is an amazing and powerful fighter. To him, everyone is the same. He does not accept money to change his mind. - Deuteronomy 10:17

4 “The Lord is the Rock, and his work is perfect! Yes, all his ways are right! God is true and faithful. He is good and honest. - Deuteronomy 32 vs 4

Antichristian2:
There are many instances where Jesus acknowledged God, prayed to Him, and demonstrated His relationship with God. This collection highlights various moments in the New Testament that reflect Jesus' acknowledgment of God and his own helplessness!

1. Jesus Praying Before Healing:
John 11:41-42: "So they took away the stone. And Jesus lifted up his eyes and said, 'Father, I thank you that you have heard me. I knew that you always hear me, but I said this on account of the people standing around, that they may believe that you sent me.'"

Why was God praying before healing? If God sent Jesus then isn't he a messenger? Why is he letting people see him pray to God? How many Gods have you seen pray to another God?

2. Jesus Praying in Agony:
Matthew 26:39: "And going a little farther, he fell on his face and prayed, saying, 'My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.'"

Luke 22:42: "Saying, 'Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.'"

Ah! Ah! Jesus came to die, he come dey pray make the death pass am! God suppose pray? God dey die? God even dey turn human? What he unaware of his mission to die again?

3. Jesus on the Cross:
Matthew 27:46: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, 'Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?' that is, 'My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?'"

So Jesus was calling a superior God when suffer enter am! Jesus is even calling on God accusing him of forsaking him! Isn't he God again?

4. Temptation by Satan:
Matthew 4:9-10: "And he said to him, 'All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me.' Then Jesus said to him, 'Be gone, Satan! For it is written, "You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve."'"

Was Satan trying to coax God to worship him? I mean Satan according to Job 1 appeared before God with the sons of God to whine God to tempt Job! He should have seen Jesus beside God back then! He didn't recognise God wey turn man! And Jesus was even saying only God alone deserves all worship. Satan no get respect o! Satan later took God to the highest

5. Jesus Acknowledging God as His Father:
John 20:17: "Jesus said to her, 'Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."'"

Again, how can Jesus who is a God have another God? If the father is a God to the son, is the son also a God to the father? In Isaiah 45:5, Yahweh siad "I am the LORD (YHWH), and there is no other; there is no God but Me. In Deuteronomy 4:35,
"You were shown these things so that you would know that the LORD is God; there is no other besides Him."
Also in Deuteronomy 32:39, "See now that I am He; there is no God besides Me. I bring death and I give life; I wound and I heal, and there is no one who can deliver from My hand".

6. Jesus Teaching people to call God in heaven:
Matthew 6:9: "Pray then like this: 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name.'"

Why is Jesus urging them to pray to the father in heaven when the son is on earth and the son and father are together and one?
I still don't understand why Jesus, a God that became man kept praying to God throughout his life time. I would say he was the only God that had another God he prays in times of need!

delkuf:
no matter how hard the devil try to use you, you cannot hid the gospel of the Lord Jesus. Jesus is the son of God that makes him God also. But coming to earth he came as a human being. As a human being means he is flesh and blood. That means sometimes the flesh will want to come in. The Lord Jesus was a full blooded human being. He has feelings us. He could feel pains. So you should expect feeling down sometimes. Who among us that doesn't feel down sometimes. Even you sometimes feel down and want to give up. So the Lord Jesus is not an exception this too. He too was down and want to give up but thanks be to God because he stood and finished the task. That is why we are saved today.
You ask why was Jesus urging them to pray to the Father while in was on earth. We pray to the Lord Jesus to. The Father and the Lord Jesus are one, so praying to the Father is praying to the Lord Jesus. I pray to the Lord Jesus sometimes.
And both when the Lord Jesus was in heaven and on earth, the Father is superior to Jesus. So the Lord Jesus is always giving the Father first place. So everything goes through the Father. Though they are one but the Father comes first. So the Lord Jesus tell people to pray to the Father is to show that the Father is first.

Antichristian2:
Can you just pick one question and answer instead of muddling everything up?

So mean God became man. God was now feeling down! God drank wine! God passed through his mother's birth canal! God was protected by his parent! So you pray to God! You pray to Jesus! You would also pray to the Spirit!

Jesus said on his own he can do nothing!

Can the father too do nothing without Jesus?

Kobojunkie:
1. Why couldn't Jesus Christ of Israel — Himself a God over His followers — urge His followers to pray to His God using His name? You didn't point out the specific rule from the book that declares His act of contradiction.

2. What rule from the compendium of books you quote all those verses from states that a God cannot worship— trust and obey — another greater God, particularly one with whom He is one — in agreement — with?

delkuf:
where did Jesus said on his own he can do nothing. Please bring out that verse plsssssss

Antichristian2:
Can you just pick one question and answer instead of muddling everything up?

So mean God became man. God was now feeling down! God drank wine! God passed through his mother's birth canal! God was protected by his parent! So you pray to God! You pray to Jesus! You would also pray to the Spirit!

Jesus said on his own he can do nothing!

Can the father too do nothing without Jesus?

Antichristian2:
I can do nothing by Myself; I judge only as I hear. And My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. John 5:30

Next verse says "If I testify about Myself, My testimony is not valid..."

Antichristian2:
➜ In the Lord's prayer he told them to call the father in heaven directly...
➜ Then you should stop lying that there are only one God! If Jesus worships another God then that is two Gods not one!

delkuf:
ok so what is your point

delkuf:
all i have told you is that Jesus as a man experience pains and feelings like every other human being, so those Bible verses you woute is about a man that was about to die for the sins of world so flesh want to weigh him down but he stood.

Antichristian2:
Jesus has no power of himself. How can he be God or one with God?

Antichristian2:
You mean Satan didn't recognise Jesus as God when he came to tempt him?

delkuf:
so because he said he canof himself do nothing that means he doesn't have power. But he heal the sick. Raise the dead. Which power is he using to do all this

Petalss:
➜God's power, not his own power. Or do you mean to say all the miracle working pastor of our present time are God too since they claim they can heal the sick, raise the dead?

Petalss:
God's power, not his own power. Or do you mean to say all the miracle working pastor of our present time are God too since they claim they can heal the sick, raise the dead?

Kobojunkie:
Which miracle working pastors abeg? The same ones who run straight to hospitals when they have their medical situations to deal with(some of them having doctors on staff or as associate pastors seeing to their health), abi other pastors? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Petalss:
✓ Pay close attention to how I said they claim.

Kobojunkie:
You identified them as miracles working pastors when there really isn't any evidence that they are any of that or should be qualified as such. That is what I am particular about. At best they are all frauds.

Petalss:
God's power, not his own power. Or do you mean to say all the miracle working pastor of our present time are God too since they claim they can heal the sick, raise the dead?

delkuf:
he recognizes him that is why he came to tempt him

delkuf:
so because he said he canof himself do nothing that means he doesn't have power. But he heal the sick. Raise the dead. Which power is he using to do all this

Antichristian2:
He recognised him and still told him to bow before him? How exactly did he recognize him?

Is Satan not tempting everyone righteous?

Kobojunkie:
1. That prayer was made possible through Him— His Kingdom, His Gospel, His Truth —hence, in His name.

2. What are you on about? The book tells you that YHWH is God of gods, implying that there are so many gods out there. I mention this several times when I insist that there are at least 4000 documented deities that are known of today.

Again, you religious folks should really learn to separate your private delusions from what the book, in fact, states.

delkuf:
what does it means to be tempted. So because the devil knows that it was the Lord Jesus he could not tempt him to bow for him.
You think the devil is a fool and will not that it was the Lord Jesus he was tempting. You dey play.
Yes Satan tempt everyone both righteous and unrighteous

Antichristian2:
What can't he tempt Jesus like he tempted Job?

Satan should have killed his father, Mother and brothers to see if he will turn stones to bread or not!

That tempting is flimsy!

Antichristian2:
The power of Allah.

That was why he prayed before raising the dead!

He can't do it himself!

Antichristian2:
✓ Where is the prayer in his name? Someone said when you pray address the father in heaven yet you still mention in his name!
✓ Are you saying Jesus is one of the gods and not God?

delkuf:
power of which Allah.
Who is Allah?

delkuf:
haaaaaa you are funny. You are telling that me that the devil tempting Jesus in a easy way. Will you rewrite the script. Don't you think that if Job after all his cattle was destroyed and his children were killed could stand for God, the Lord Jesus Christ could also stand for God. If Job could endure it, the Lord Jesus can also endure it