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Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by jesusjnr2020(m): 9:51pm On Apr 22, 2021
Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness

Through one man, Adam, sin came to all men because all men were his descendants.

Through one Man, Jesus, righteousness could have come to all men, but it didn't because they weren't His descendants.

So no man inherited His righteousness.

Any man that claims to have inherited the righteousness of Jesus is a liar!

No man can inherit the righteousness of Jesus!

Although no man can inherit His righteousness, a man can partake of the benefit of His righteousness.

The only way any man could partake of the benefit of His righteousness is by keeping His commandments:

John 15:10 (KJV)

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Jesus achieved His righteousness by keeping the Father's commandments, that's how He was able to partake of its benefits. Hence anyone who wants to partake of the benefit of His own righteousness must also keep His own commandments.

Anyone who doesn't keep His commandment wouldn't be able to partake of the benefit of His righteousness.

His righteousness is available to all men to benefit from, but it's only those who obey His commandments that would be able to partake of it.

The benefit of His righteousness is redemption from the condemnation of Adam's sins which all men inherited.

The benefit of His righteousness is eternal life.

So that's what anyone who doesn't partake of the benefit of His righteousness stands to lose.

And no man can partake of that benefit by inheritance because Jesus had no seed.

He that has ear, let Him hear.

God bless.

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Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by LordIsaac(m): 10:26pm On Apr 22, 2021
Good answer. I have often wondered why sin can be inherited but not salvation.
The second question is why the womb of a woman(who was born in sin) was found worthy and not the seed of man(who was also born in sin) was found worthy to bring forth the Messiah.

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Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by jesusjnr2020(m): 10:41pm On Apr 22, 2021
Brb.
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by jesusjnr2020(m): 7:39am On Apr 23, 2021
LordIsaac:
Good answer. I have often wondered why sin can be inherited but not salvation.
The second question is why the womb of a woman(who was born in sin) was found worthy and not the seed of man(who was also born in sin) was found worthy to bring forth the Messiah.
It's via a seed that someone can hand down such. So since man is the seed producer of the two, its only via him that the nature and condemnation of sin can be inherited.

That's why God was very particular about Adam's fall into sin in the beginning,. It was because he was the seed producer of the two.

However God knew that was a possible outcome from the beginning hence He provided a means of escape for man just in case. That's one of the major reasons He made the woman, so that even man fall into sin, the woman could serve as a means via which man could be redeemed from his sins and restored.

So sin cannot be inherited via the womb of a woman even if she be a sinner since she didn't produce the seed, moreover remember, that the woman (Mary) who bear the seed (Jesus) was necessarily and intentionally a virgin, so even her vessel had not be defiled by the seed of a man which inherited the nature and condemnation of Adam's sins.

God bless.

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Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by LordIsaac(m): 7:51am On Apr 23, 2021
jesusjnr2020:
It's via a seed that someone can hand down such. So since man is the seed producer of the two, its only via him that the nature and condemnation of sin can be inherited.

That's why God was very particular about Adam's fall into sin in the beginning,. It was because he was the seed producer of the two.

However God knew that was a possible outcome from the beginning hence He provided a means of escape for man just in case. That's one of the major reasons He made the woman, so that even man fall into sin, the woman could serve as a means via which man could be redeemed from his sins and restored.

So sin cannot be inherited via the womb of a woman even if she be a sinner since she didn't produce the seed, moreover remember, that the woman (Mary) who bear the seed (Jesus) was necessarily and intentionally a virgin, so even her vessel had not be defiled by the seed of a man which inherited the nature and condemnation of Adam's sins.

God bless.
Wow... Indepth expose this is.
This brings me to the final question... What if Adam didn't partake of the fruit? Would there be a driving out of Eden... Will humanity be doomed...

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Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by jesusjnr2020(m): 4:01pm On Apr 23, 2021
LordIsaac:

Wow... Indepth expose this is.
This brings me to the final question... What if Adam didn't partake of the fruit? Would there be a driving out of Eden... Will humanity be doomed...
That would have saved us all this trouble and questions we're now asking, because It all hinged on the decision Adam made since He was the one with the seed.

He was the one whose seed was going to multiply, so if he didn't sin or heed the voice of the voice of the woman, that means the woman's sin would have been of no effect on the seed.

Hence God said to Adam, "because you hearkened to the voice of your wife and ate of the tree..." So had Adam not heeded his wife's voice it would have not just saved his seed, but also saved Eve a lot of trouble, so that even if she were punished for her action, the potential danger of her foolishness would have been nipped at the bud before it could cause any harm.

So it would been more or less business as usual, as their children would have inherited the nature of Adam's righteousness, and it's that nature of righteousness that would be multiplied upon the earth instead of the nature of sin as it actually happened.

That was God's desire for humanity, so there would have been no reason to cast them out since everything would more or less be going according to His original plan.

The greatest loser would have been the devil, because his plan was actually to get the seed of man even though he came through the woman, so that would have meant that his plan failed but unfortunately man heeded the voice of his wife, Eve, so the rest as they say is history.

God bless.

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Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by Kobojunkiee: 4:05pm On Apr 23, 2021
LordIsaac:
Good answer. I have often wondered why sin can be inherited but not salvation.
The second question is why the womb of a woman(who was born in sin) was found worthy and not the seed of man(who was also born in sin) was found worthy to bring forth the Messiah.
Sin cannot be inherited either...only the consequences of sin is inherited and should never be confused with sin itself. undecided

in the Old Covenant, God declared instead that the consequence of the sin of idolatry would be inherited up to the 3rd or 4th generation, but then the same God repealed that judgment in Ezekiel 18 when it swore by His name that the soul that sins will die... Death is the consequence of sin. undecided
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by Kobojunkiee: 4:08pm On Apr 23, 2021
LordIsaac:

Wow... Indepth expose this is.
This brings me to the final question... What if Adam didn't partake of the fruit? Would there be a driving out of Eden... Will humanity be doomed...
Doubtful because if you paid close attention to the command which God gave Adam in Genesis 2, it seemed the command and punishment therein was meant for the man who ate from the tree. undecided

Unfortunately, it was not one of Adam's progenies that ate from it but the first man himself punishing all his progeny as a result. undecided

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Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by LordIsaac(m): 4:31pm On Apr 23, 2021
jesusjnr2020:
That would have saved us all this trouble and questions we're now asking, because It all hinged on the decision Adam made since He was the one with the seed.

He was the one whose seed was going to multiply, so if he didn't sin or heed the voice of the voice of the woman, that means the woman's sin would have been of no effect on the seed.

Hence God said to Adam, "because you hearkened to the voice of your wife and ate of the tree..." So had Adam not heeded his wife's voice it would have not just saved his seed, but also saved Eve a lot of trouble, so that even if she were punished for her action, the potential danger of her foolishness would have been nipped at the bud before it could cause any harm.

So it would been more or less business as usual, as their children would have inherited the nature of Adam's righteousness, and it's that nature of righteousness that would be multiplied upon the earth instead of the nature of sin as it actually happened.

That was God's desire for humanity, so there would have been no reason to cast them out since everything would more or less be going according to His original plan.

The greatest loser would have been the devil, because his plan was actually to get the seed of man even though he came through the woman, so that would have meant that his plan failed but unfortunately man heeded the voice of his wife, Eve, so the rest as they say is history.

God bless.
Wow... Are you a theologian? Your responses are apt. Thanks. Maybe you would be able to also shed light on this question that: "since God knows everything, did He also know man would fall in spite of the command? " If yes, I wonder why in His wisdom He embarked on a project He knew would fail, ab initio. Just my imagination o.

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Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by petra1(m): 8:52pm On Apr 23, 2021
jesusjnr2020:
Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness

No ,A Christian is seed of his righteousness.

Isa 53:10 — Isa 53:11
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied:
by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many;
for he shall bear their iniquities.



Through one man, Adam, sin came to all men because all men were his descendants.

That was first Adam . There is a second Adam who' is one spirit with the Christian

1 Corinthians 15:45
Thus it is written, The first man Adam became a living being (an individual personality); the last Adam (Christ) became a life-giving Spirit [restoring the dead to life].

1Co 15:48 — 1Co 15:49
Now those who are made of the dust are like him who was first made of the dust (earthly-minded); and as is [the Man] from heaven, so also [are those] who are of heaven (heavenly-minded). . .
And just as we have borne the image [of the man] of dust, so shall we and solet us also bear the image [of the Man] of heaven
.

Through one Man, Jesus, righteousness could have come to all men, but it didn't because they weren't His descendants

1 Corinthians 6:17
But the person who is united to the Lord becomes one spirit with Him
.

So no man inherited His righteousness.

1 Corinthians 1:30
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


Any man that claims to have inherited the righteousness of Jesus is a liar!

No man can inherit the righteousness of Jesus!

Although no man can inherit His righteousness, a man can partake of the benefit of His righteousness.

.

The Christian has the same righteousness Jesus had. He has thesame nature of God in christ

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Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by jesusjnr2020(m): 9:04pm On Apr 23, 2021
petra1:


No ,A Christian is seed of his righteousness.

Isa 53:10 — Isa 53:11
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied:
by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many;
for he shall bear their iniquities.


Only your bolded has shown you have no idea what you're talking about.

That was speaking about God's own seed Jesus not anyone else, so please next time, do not be in too much of a hurry to correct someone, otherwise you'd find making such unwarranted blunders.

Thanks and God bless.
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by MightySparrow: 11:36pm On Apr 23, 2021
This OP is not making scriptural sense.

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Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by Sheunma: 11:41pm On Apr 23, 2021
jesusjnr2020:
It's via a seed that someone can hand down such. So since man is the seed producer of the two, its only via him that the nature and condemnation of sin can be inherited.

That's why God was very particular about Adam's fall into sin in the beginning,. It was because he was the seed producer of the two.

However God knew that was a possible outcome from the beginning hence He provided a means of escape for man just in case. That's one of the major reasons He made the woman, so that even man fall into sin, the woman could serve as a means via which man could be redeemed from his sins and restored.

So sin cannot be inherited via the womb of a woman even if she be a sinner since she didn't produce the seed, moreover remember, that the woman (Mary) who bear the seed (Jesus) was necessarily and intentionally a virgin, so even her vessel had not be defiled by the seed of a man which inherited the nature and condemnation of Adam's sins.

God bless.
What is seed producer?
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by petra1(m): 3:59am On Apr 24, 2021
jesusjnr2020:
Only your bolded has shown you have no idea what you're talking about.

That was speaking about God's own seed Jesus not anyone else, so please next time, do not be in too much of a hurry to correct someone, otherwise you'd find making such unwarranted blunders.

Thanks and God bless.

Your theology here didn't make sense. Jesus was born of the word . Christians are born of same word. Jesus didn't need to marry and have children to have his nature . The life is in the word

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Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by Kobojunkiee: 5:59am On Apr 24, 2021
LordIsaac:

Wow... Are you a theologian? Your responses are apt. Thanks. Maybe you would be able to also shed light on this question that: "since God knows everything, did He also know man would fall in spite of the command? " If yes, I wonder why in His wisdom He embarked on a project He knew would fail, ab initio. Just my imagination o.
Did the project really fail? undecided

Do you know that sometimes we tend to read our own perspective into what is written, without even realizing it a lot of times. undecided

Here we are told of a God who, even before He created the first man, already had we suppose is a back up plan in place to source additional Sons of God through the implanting of His own self as clone(Jesus Christ) into and every man who submits to the process. Does that not sound like a God who was more than prepared for the "fall of man"? undecided

Not long after the fall of the first man, the same God set to choosing for Himself only those men who would submit to obeying His commandments, beginning with the person of Abel, Adam's progeny, letting those others who refuse Him to continue on to perish in the grave instead. Obviously, He was not after numbers but qualify from the beginning. undecided

I know the popular narrative is that the fall of man was not expected, but I ask you to consider that it may indeed have been since God had in place all that was necessary to guarantee the success of His project regardless. undecided

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Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by jesusjnr2020(m): 6:42am On Apr 24, 2021
petra1:


Your theology here didn't make sense. Jesus was born of the word . Christians are born of same word. Jesus didn't need to marry and have children to have his nature . The life is in the word
Does it make sense that you had to lie that Jesus had a seed to justify your idea even though you disagreed with mine?

That blunder alone suggests that you have no idea what you're talking about.

No man inherited Jesus righteousness because Jesus had no seed. No man can inherit it but man can partake of its benefits. If you want to partake of the benefit of His righteousness, you must keep His Word otherwise you are on your own.

And please don't quote what Paul or someone else said that contradicts this for me, because this is in line with what Jesus says, and Jesus is the Master so His Word supersedes that of any other.

You must be happy how that lie is justifying many workers of iniquity in the church and making sin to abound, otherwise you wouldn't continue to peddle it.
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by jesusjnr2020(m): 6:47am On Apr 24, 2021
Sheunma:
What is seed producer?
Should I start afresh?
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by jesusjnr2020(m): 6:50am On Apr 24, 2021
MightySparrow:
This OP is not making scriptural sense.
How do you mean? Are the teachings of Jesus not the scriptures again?
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by petra1(m): 12:02pm On Apr 24, 2021
jesusjnr2020:
Does it make sense that you had to lie that Jesus had a seed to justify your idea even though you disagreed with mine?

You can argue with the bible. Was it Quran quoted ?

Secondly a Christian is seed. It doesn't have to be biological.

And thirdly you theology is still wrong. You don't have to teach what doesn't make bible sense. We are one with christ . As spirit ,same righteousness. Christ righteousness is not superior

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Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by petra1(m): 12:04pm On Apr 24, 2021
MightySparrow:
This OP is not making scriptural sense.

grin grin grin

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Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by jesusjnr2020(m): 2:16pm On Apr 24, 2021
petra1:


You can argue with the bible. Was it Quran quoted ?

Secondly a Christian is seed. It doesn't have to be biological.

And thirdly you theology is still wrong. You don't have to teach what doesn't make bible sense. We are one with christ . As spirit ,same righteousness. Christ righteousness is not superior

Yeah you can also quote even the devil's words in the Bible so that I can argue with it, because i can argue with anything in the Bible which contradict the teachings of Jesus. But you can argue with the Words of Jesus the Master which is the Truth and the standard to measure any other in the Bible.

According to the Words of Jesus, you are walking in gross error! Your idea that Jesus had seed is Antichrist and tantamount to blasphemy.

Moreover, Christ's righteousness is exclusively His, that's why He would judge every man according to the man's own righteousness not his.

This error is why many are walking in iniquity because they wrongly believe that because they call Him Lord in the name of Christianity, His righteousness is theirs.

That's why Jesus ensured He left no doubt about this, when He said He turned back those many anointed workers of iniquity (Christians) who must have believed the lie that they inherited His righteousness, hence they didn't have theirs.

If Christians inherited His righteousness, they would have never turned the many Christians back because of their works of iniquity.

You have no case otherwise you'd show me where Jesus ever suggested such a thing. You can keep arguing with His Words though if you choose.
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by jesusjnr2020(m): 2:26pm On Apr 24, 2021
petra1:


grin grin grin
Are you surprised? Jesus said many Christians would be turned back on that day because of their own iniquity. This is the kind of false doctrine, that Christians inherited His righteousness that would make that happen, so you shouldn't be surprised that many Christians believe it as you do.

That doesn't change the fact that it's false!

Thank God not all Christians believe that lie.
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by petra1(m): 2:48pm On Apr 24, 2021
jesusjnr2020:
Yeah you can also quote even the devil's words in the Bible so that I can argue with it, because i can argue with anything in the Bible which contradict the teachings of Jesus. But you can argue with the Words of Jesus the Master which is the Truth and the standard to measure any other in the Bible.

According to the Words of Jesus, you are walking in gross error! Your idea that Jesus had seed is Antichrist and tantamount to blasphemy.

Moreover, Christ's righteousness is exclusively His, that's why He would judge every man according to the man's own righteousness not his.

This error is why many are walking in iniquity because they wrongly believe that because they call Him Lord in the name of Christianity, His righteousness is theirs.

That's why Jesus ensured He left no doubt about this, when He said He turned back those many anointed workers of iniquity (Christians) who must have believed the lie that they inherited His righteousness, hence they didn't have theirs.

If Christians inherited His righteousness, they would have never turned the many Christians back because of their works of iniquity.

You have no case otherwise you'd show me where Jesus ever suggested such a thing. You can keep arguing with His Words though if you choose.


Stop divergence. Is Jesus righteousness different from a Christian righteousness?

If the answer is NO. Then your teaching is faulty. (That's being polite )

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Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by jesusjnr2020(m): 4:28pm On Apr 24, 2021
petra1:



Stop divergence. Is Jesus righteousness different from a Christian righteousness?

If the answer is NO. Then your teaching is faulty. (That's being polite )
Lol! You obviously don't have any thing Jesus said to back up your claims to prove me right.

Not surprised you believe His teaching is faulty hence you've continued to argue with it.

Continue to walk in error if you choose, but expect many surprises when you meet with Him on that day as He said many of your kind would.
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by petra1(m): 7:20pm On Apr 24, 2021
jesusjnr2020:

Not surprised you believe His teaching is faulty .

I didn't say the teaching of Jesus snr is faulty . Its the teaching jesusjnr2020-21 That is faulty

Lol! You obviously don't have any thing Jesus said to back up your claims to prove me right.

Upon all ma quotations?

Ok here is my summary.

If you say because Jesus had no biological offspring no man could have his righteousness. And that our righteousness is only partial part of his. That na error.

Jn 17:16 — Jn 17:21
They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. . .
. . .That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

1 John 4:17
Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.


Firstly by your teaching you're saying the work of Jesus is not complete.

Secondly very Christian have everything Jesus had . Same nature and same righteousness

Col 2:9 — Col 2:10
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

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Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by BassReeves: 7:50pm On Apr 24, 2021
jesusjnr2020:
Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness

Through one man, Adam, sin came to all men because all men were his descendants.

Through one Man, Jesus, righteousness could have come to all men, but it didn't because they weren't His descendants.

So no man inherited His righteousness

Any man that claims to have inherited the righteousness of Jesus is a liar!

No man can inherit the righteousness of Jesus!


Although no man can inherit His righteousness, a man can partake of the benefit of His righteousness.

The only way any man could partake of the benefit of His righteousness is by keeping His commandments:

John 15:10 (KJV)

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Jesus achieved His righteousness by keeping the Father's commandments, that's how He was able to partake of its benefits. Hence anyone who wants to partake of the benefit of His own righteousness must also keep His own commandments.

Anyone who doesn't keep His commandment wouldn't be able to partake of the benefit of His righteousness.

His righteousness is available to all men to benefit from, but it's only those who obey His commandments that would be able to partake of it.

The benefit of His righteousness is redemption from the condemnation of Adam's sins which all men inherited.

The benefit of His righteousness is eternal life.

So that's what anyone who doesn't partake of the benefit of His righteousness stands to lose.

And no man can partake of that benefit by inheritance because Jesus had no seed.

He that has ear, let Him hear.

God bless.




We inherited the righteousness of God in Christ

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Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by jesusjnr2020(m): 8:27pm On Apr 24, 2021
BassReeves:




We inherited the righteousness of God in Christ
Don't worry keep quoting me and canceling my comments as you used to do with your other moniker, later you're start crying foul as if you are not the aggressor.

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Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by jesusjnr2020(m): 9:17pm On Apr 24, 2021
petra1:


I didn't say the teaching of Jesus snr is faulty . Its the teaching jesusjnr2020-21 That is faulty



Upon all ma quotations?

Ok here is my summary.

If you say because Jesus had no biological offspring no man could have his righteousness. And that our righteousness is only partial part of his. That na error.

Jn 17:16 — Jn 17:21
They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. . .
. . .That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

1 John 4:17
Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.


Firstly by your teaching you're saying the work of Jesus is not complete.

Secondly very Christian have everything Jesus had . Same nature and same righteousness

Col 2:9 — Col 2:10
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

What you say is faulty is in accordance with the teachings of Jesus, so you're hence saying the teachings of Jesus was faulty as well.

You've thus far failed to show me where Christians were said to be Jesus seed or where Jesus said they inherited His righteousness.

The saying of Jesus you quoted tallies with that which I quoted in the Op where it took the obedience of His Words for any man to partake of the benefit of His righteousness, because Jesus first told God that they had kept His Word before saying that, so that's what made them to abide in His love as He said.

Not that they inherited His righteousness, but they had kept His Word!

If you can't show me where Jesus said Christians inherited His righteousness or used that to judge them, you've proven you have no case but are walking in gross error which could lead you to hell as it has done to many and would do to many Christians who believe that lie.
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by BassReeves: 11:09pm On Apr 24, 2021
jesusjnr2020:
Don't worry keep quoting me and canceling my comments
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The strikeouts and truth pain am die.

In the clashes between ignorance and intelligence, the former, ignorance, is generally the aggressor. Invariably, it is the habit of every aggressor, to keep getting almost everything theological wrong. Such aggressor often will always push forward nonsense, declare more scandalous comments, often and continually launches attack from skewed angles, pushing the limits, until he and she meets resistance, where and or when, finally someone stands up to the aggressor. It is such person, who stood up, that the aggressor turns around to call an instigator. Aggressor acting, a victim, smh.
I’ll be a pillar of strength for the weak, a voice/mouthpiece for the voiceless, shoulder to lean for others etc, but I’ll be harsh and stern against the likes of the uncouth, runaway aggressor let loose on this thread.

jesusjnr2020:
as you used to do with your other moniker, later you're start crying foul as if you are not the aggressor.
Aggression only knows to moves in one direction, and that'll be, with a comment like this just one, create more aggression.
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by petra1(m): 11:50pm On Apr 24, 2021
jesusjnr2020:
What you say is faulty is in accordance with the teachings of Jesus, so you're hence saying the teachings of Jesus was faulty as well.

What did Jesus say

You've thus far failed to show me where Christians were said to be Jesus seed

Isaiah 53:10
. . . he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.



or where Jesus said they inherited His righteousness.

Read my posts again. And while you're reading them tell us where Jesus said Christians have partial righteousness

The saying of Jesus you quoted tallies with that which I quoted in the Op where it took the obedience of His Words for any man to partake of the benefit of His righteousness, because Jesus first told God that they had kept His Word before saying that, so that's what made them to abide in His love as He said.

Not that they inherited His righteousness, but they had kept His Word!

If you can't show me where Jesus said Christians inherited His righteousness or used that to judge them, you've proven you have no case but are walking in gross error which could lead you to hell as it has done to many and would do to many Christians who believe that lie.

The problem is your understanding of righteousness. There is difference between righteous work and the nature of righteousness.
A Christian has been made righteous . It's a gift received by salvation.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by Acehart: 12:44am On Apr 25, 2021
jesusjnr2020:
What you say is faulty is in accordance with the teachings of Jesus, so you're hence saying the teachings of Jesus was faulty as well.

You've thus far failed to show me where Christians were said to be Jesus seed or where Jesus said they inherited His righteousness.

The saying of Jesus you quoted tallies with that which I quoted in the Op where it took the obedience of His Words for any man to partake of the benefit of His righteousness, because Jesus first told God that they had kept His Word before saying that, so that's what made them to abide in His love as He said.

Not that they inherited His righteousness, but they had kept His Word!


If you can't show me where Jesus said Christians inherited His righteousness or used that to judge them, you've proven you have no case but are walking in gross error which could lead you to hell as it has done to many and would do to many Christians who believe that lie.

I have carefully read your initial writeup on this thread and observed your responses; one thing stands out: You clearly avoided the Pauline epistles; it’s is either you are a young Christian and you haven’t gone through the entire scriptures (perhaps you have just started reading the New Testament) and you haven’t got proper understanding of it yet or you are part of the School of Thought that jettison the Pauline epistles, saying they are not inspired writings and shouldn’t find their way to the scriptures. If your case is the former, I’d like to help you have good understanding in the next paragraphs.

Psalms 35:24 says,

Judge me, O Lord my God, according to Your righteousness

To get the true meaning of this verse, we would have to test it against scripture, and also get what the context suggests. It may read as:

1. O Lord my God, judge between my character and that of my enemies according to Your equity and justice. (Lesser context based approach)
2. Justify me, O Lord my God, with your righteousness. (Etymological approach with a view of eschatology)

Lets look at the first point: David, the writer of this Psalm, was calling Jehovah to come into judgment between him and his enemies. If Jehovah vindicates David because he claims to have an impeccable character and that of his enemies vile, then the scriptures contradicts itself because Psalms 143:2 says:

And enter not into judgment with thy servant: for in thy sight shall no man living be justified.

So if the Lord God is to judge David and his enemies based on character, none of them will be vindicated. Hence, point one is disqualified because of contradiction.


Before we examine the second point, let’s start by looking at Deuteronomy 9:5:

It is not for your righteousness or for the uprightness of your heart that you are going to possess their land, but it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord your God is driving them out before you, in order to confirm the oath which the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Here, the Lord God reiterates to Israel that their justification (to inherit the promised land) was not due to their adherence to His commandments but for His oath, a prerogative kindled by the faith of their fathers, a faith (authored and finished by God) that was accounted to them as righteousness.

If Judge me, O Lord my God, according to thy righteousness, reads as point two, then it means that the righteousness of the Lord God, by which he justifies his people (the Israel of God, Christians), is according to faith in what Christ has wrought out, and is imputed to them.

The substitutionary work of Christ on Calvary wherewith He was judged was according to the sins that were imputed to Him (though He was not a seed of any man) - Isaiah 53:4. We know that in the atoning substitution, the sin of the people was exchanged for righteousness of the God (Psa.132:9, Lev.14). Yes! those who were justified, the scriptures then calls them his descendants:

But the Lord was pleased To crush Him, putting Him to grief; If He would render Himself as a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, And the good pleasure of the Lord will prosper in His hand.

- Isaiah 53:10

P.S.: Please study the scriptures properly so that you would not be guilty of preaching another gospel and you be condemned.

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