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ObaIgwe1:
1st of all, when the government impose or increase tariff of certain goods or services coming to that country, the citizens of that country will pay that tariff especially where they have little or no alternative to it. The reason the importing country opposes it is that, with increased tariff, the retail cost will rise and the demand will drop; this of course means less revenue for the production company and less job.

That cleared, most countries imposes tariffs for 3 main reasons:

1, To protect/enhance local manufacturers of same/similar goods; with increased tariff on the imported ones and followed price increase, the demand for the imported good will drop and this will increase demand for the locally produced ones, creating more revenues and jobs.

2, To raise government revenues

3, For political reasons.

It doesn't always lead to uproar when the reason is the 1st reason. Most EU tariffs are done for the 1st reasons, till it becomes political /trade war like what Trump is doing.

When Trump was campaigning and talking about tariff, his primary objective was the 2nd reason, this ordinarily wouldn't also be a problem, if it was handled properly without adding political undertone to it. But Trump being Trump, took it beyond Economics reason and turned it into political/trade war.

Problem with Trump started when he began the tariff implementation as a political tool to deal with Canada, Mexico and China for the reason of 'stopping the flow fentanyl and boarder control'. From that moment, people no longer belief the tariff is for economic reasons to protect the interest of US trade, but a political tool to hurt other nations. The rest of the world will not fold their hands and do nothing after Trump turned the imposition of tariff into political / trade war.

NPR's Ailsa Chang speaks with David Honig, who teaches negotiations at Indiana University, on how President Trump has employed a technique called "distributive bargaining," and how that can backfire.
AILSA CHANG, HOST:

For decades, Donald Trump has claimed to be a master negotiator. As president, he's had ample opportunity to demonstrate those skills on the world stage. He's met with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un to negotiate North Korea's nuclear weapons program. He's going toe-to-toe now with China, the European Union and Canada in what could become a full-on trade war. And soon, he will meet one-on-one with Russian President Vladimir Putin. So what is the guiding principle behind Trump's negotiation style? Is there one at all? One law professor thinks there is. David Honig teaches negotiations at Indiana University, and he joins us now. Welcome.

DAVID HONIG: Good afternoon.

CHANG: So you divide the world of negotiation into two kinds of bargaining styles. And you say Trump only uses one kind. You call it distributive bargaining. What is that?

HONIG: Distributive bargaining is what some people will call win-lose bargaining, when the parties don't have any mutual interests at all. So what they're looking for is what we call in negotiations value taking. There's only one amount of pie. And once I get some, and the other side gets some, whoever gets the most wins.

CHANG: OK. And do you think distributive bargaining - that style - do you think that's a style that served Trump well in, say, the real-estate world?

HONIG: It's an interesting question. I reread "The Art Of The Deal" today in anticipation of this discussion. And when you look even at his own book, in the pure real-estate environment, it did serve him well. But when the deals that he was seeking went beyond simple real estate purchase and sales, ownership of a professional football team or his casinos, where the deals were more complex and had a lot more involved than just buying and selling something of value, they did not ultimately work out well for him. Sometimes, you have to deal with people again. And if you've taken them, or they feel like they've been taken, they're not going to deal with you again. You can do that with a cabinet maker who put the cabinets in your hotel or casino because you can find another cabinet maker. But you can't find another Canada. You can't find another China.

CHANG: So let's talk about that. Let's talk about the international trade arena. What are the limits specifically that distributive bargaining bumps up against?

HONIG: It bumps up against a few limits. The first has to do with ongoing relationships, which I just mentioned. The second and, I think, more important has to do with complexity and what we call value adding. So when you're value taking, there's a limited pie. You want as much as you can. When you're value adding, you're looking at how you can create value for the other side. The other side can create value for you. And, therefore, ultimately, you walk away with a deal that you both want.

CHANG: Yeah. You call this integrative bargaining. This is the other bargaining style.

HONIG: That is correct. And you also just have to deal with complexity. It's almost whack-a-mole when you're dealing with international trade. When we imposed tariffs on China, and China responded by terminating all of the soybean orders with the U.S., not only do the farmers suffer here in the United States. China buys their soybeans from Russia. From an international point of view, it gets even more complex because what we've done is we've just created a new opportunity for Russia to get hard currency, which limits our ability to impose sanctions on Russia. And so it has an effect that goes far beyond simply the price of soybeans.

CHANG: David Honig is an attorney and adjunct professor at Indiana University, where he teaches negotiations. Thank you very much for being with us today.

HONIG: My pleasure.

raumdeuter:
It's good when other leaders do it, it's bad when Trump does it

Very consistent with Orange man bad motto

Everything you said about tariff in other countries applies in US and during other regimes

The same way Democrats raged about the Trump tariffs on China but didn't remove it when they had the choice to remove it

cococandy:
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

He didn’t even do it for any iota of economic reason.

He truly thinks it’s a D measuring contest. The person who imposes the most tariffs wins. Even when their citizens have to pay dearly.

IjeBos:
Trump wants the Military to draw up plans to maybe take the Panama canal by force.
Everyday is something more insane than the last.

ObaIgwe1:
Dayo, it's not about who is doing tariff, but it is a lot about how and why it's being done. Who starts a trade war with her neighbors, China and EU at the same time? Trump makes it so easy for quick trade realignment to the detriment of US.

As much as I don't give a damm about Trump, I will hate for US to lose in this trade war and lose her economic position and influence in the world, at least for the sake of my wife and children who are American citizens.

The underground trade realignment going on now favor China and BRICKS nation. If nothing serious is done soon, I see Canada and EU cutting new deal with China... Problem is even after Trump, it will not be easy to reverse the trend.

raumdeuter:
How is Trump doing it that's different from how EU, Canada or China does its tariff

So we have moved from

Tariffs are bad to tariffs are not bad just why it's being done, when shown the why, it's not about how Trump says he will do it.

Why do other countries have a right to tariff US but not be tariffed

raumdeuter:
Tariffs hurt Americans right? Why are Canadians, EU also imposing tariffs? Is it because they want to hurt their people?

When Trump was campaigning all your 3 points were mentioned a reasons for tariffs,
1. American manufacturing is dying and companies taking manufacturing abroad, Anyone who wants 0 tariff manufacture in America, If you manufacture abroad he will put a huge tariff on you.

2. By putting tariffs he can raise money, Trump has always stated that other countries take advantage of America and practice unfair trades

3. For political reasons when we give you some concessions, we expect something back in returns, when we are not getting it, then we can crank up tariffs like border control, fentanyl controls etc

So its false to claim Trumps reason is only one when it was everything yet at every stop, he was opposed, The tariff he placed on Chinese goods in his first term, the Biden admin though condemned it but they refused to take if off ven in their entire 4yrs

Why is it okay for other countries to place tariffs on US for whatever reason suits them but American dare not otherwise it would be uproar

ObaIgwe1:
How many of these countries implemented tariff against many nations at the same time as Trump is doing it? Also how many leaders started by using tariff as a punishment tool to make another nation do her biding on drug and immigration control, or for any other political gain? Only Trump The Bully does that.

Tariff are still bad on citizens if not well implemented as I have explained earlier, just that Trump has also gone further making it a trade war with many nations.

feedthenation:
---Unfortunately---two pandemics hit the US back to back---COVID and Felon 47 stupidity---always using tariffs as much of war---even Putin called his bluff by not agreeing to the 30days cease fire---

Putin said of the ceasefire proposal: "The idea is right - and we support it - but there are questions that we need to discuss."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp8l00l4rejo

raumdeuter:
China is implementing tariff against USA and Canada at this same time

Tariff are bad yet Canada EU China are all doing this bad thing to their citizens

raumdeuter:
Columbia finally starts taking action

https://x.com/EYakoby/status/1900297872735666564?s=19[/quote]Its sad that they enable these people. Any idiot on visa should be deported, all those foolish feminists girls studying gender studies should be expelled.

ObaIgwe1:
How many of these countries implemented tariff against many nations at the same time as Trump is doing it? Also how many leaders started by using tariff as a punishment tool to make another nation do her biding on drug and immigration control, or for any other political gain? Only Trump The Bully does that.

Tariff are still bad on citizens if not well implemented as I have explained earlier, just that Trump has also gone further making it a trade war with many nations.

ObaIgwe1:
You are not getting it. I'm tired of repeating myself.

🚨BREAKING

CANADA DOUBLES DOWN ON SIMULTANEOUS TRADE WARS WITH CHINA AND THE USA

"We are not reconsidering the tariffs on Chinese EVs."

Absolutely lunacy to take on TWO 20 trillion $ economies at the SAME TIME. pic.twitter.com/RFvL23tMJy

— Tablesalt 🇨🇦🇺🇸 (@Tablesalt13) March 13, 2025

Obrigardo:
Rapist fascist trump is so exhausted and tired. A swanky old man still on Adderalls, obese and a vulgar small man, a weak man's version of a strong man.

raumdeuter:
Canada is currently imposing tariffs on the US and China at the same time

🚨BREAKING

CANADA DOUBLES DOWN ON SIMULTANEOUS TRADE WARS WITH CHINA AND THE USA

"We are not reconsidering the tariffs on Chinese EVs."

Absolutely lunacy to take on TWO 20 trillion $ economies at the SAME TIME. pic.twitter.com/RFvL23tMJy

— Tablesalt 🇨🇦🇺🇸 (@Tablesalt13) March 13, 2025

China is imposing on US and China at the same time

EU is imposing on China and US at the same time

That defeats your talking point

The only thing that still stands is that its Trump doing it

budaatum:
Where did KJP admit what you claim?

bemeruca:
This statement is asinine.
Trump impose tariffs on nations that impose tariffs on the United States...

Your argument is that those nations did not impose tariff on multiple nations at the same time.

What kind of argument is this?

Its bad on citizen does not stop our neighbour Canada to put it on us, to put it on China. How do you reason and type these things thinking you are making a point?

basilico:
If America is importing more than it exports to any bloc or territory in a trade war it emerges the undisputed winner.mainly because it has the highest spending power and can also repurpose manufacturing at home. It's the liberals who say the world is connected,no country can be self sufficient , there should be free movement of goods and services. And all that lefty crap praising globalization


Trump is also hitting France specifically because they are the new troublemakers in Russia Ukraine war. He did the same to China . Pressuring them to stop influencing Kim jong Un via tarriffs. Anytime he needed Kim to acquiesce he piled pressure on China which is North Korean's life line.

raumdeuter:
See this tool telling us that Trump is exhausted and tired

basilico:
Buying a Tesla doesn't mean one is supporting the Green New deal you maggot.
Today EPA is rolling back 31 key regulations conjured up by Biden .

https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-launches-biggest-deregulatory-action-us-history

There is a difference between environmental conservation and climate change.

raumdeuter:
Canada is currently imposing tariffs on the US and China at the same time

🚨BREAKING

CANADA DOUBLES DOWN ON SIMULTANEOUS TRADE WARS WITH CHINA AND THE USA

"We are not reconsidering the tariffs on Chinese EVs."

Absolutely lunacy to take on TWO 20 trillion $ economies at the SAME TIME. pic.twitter.com/RFvL23tMJy

— Tablesalt 🇨🇦🇺🇸 (@Tablesalt13) March 13, 2025

China is imposing on US and China at the same time

EU is imposing on China and US at the same time

That defeats your talking point

The only thing that still stands is that its Trump doing it

cococandy:
From saying Biden was pushing EVs, we’ve moved the goal post past the stadium. Now boycotting them is a illegal 🤣🤣

Where are his supporters who couldn’t afford eggs two months ago going to find money to buy “TESLERS”?

ObaIgwe1:
lf you are paying attention to all I wrote you will not be making this argument. Canada was not proposing any new tariff on US until Trump decided to punish them with tariff for fentanyl, and Canada tariff on China's EVs is straightforward action done to protect local production, which is similar to EU tariff on same China's EVs.

How do you compare this with a President imposing tariffs on Canada, Mexico and China because of fentanyl and also went after EU at the same time?

GloriousGbola:
what a time to be alive

cococandy:
Typical Trumpie

I watched a video of him and one other business lady complaining about how administration is affecting them negatively. Hers was even worse. She’s a business owner with more than half her staff being Hispanic.

The interviewer asked her what she thought would happen to her staff when she voted for him. No answer. Just that vacant light-is-on-but-no-one-is-home stare. You can’t help but wonder.