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geoworldedu:
There has been an occasion recorded in the scripture of God's panic. This was clearly highlighted in Genesis 11.

HOW IT ALL STARTED

The people of the world came together in unity to construct a building whose top could get to the heaven.

THE FOOLISHNESS OF THESE PEOPLE

These people saw the cloud as if it was a place just within their reach, without aeroplanes, jets or rockets. They decided to make a building that will get into the cloud which they assumed to be HEAVEN.

According to Genesis 11:4

Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

THE FOOLISHNESS OF GOD
The same way humans saw the distance between the earth and the cloud is how God also saw it. He felt that humans will achieve making a building that will get to his heaven. Therefore Genesis 11:5 to 7 came about.

The same way humans saw the distance between the earth and the cloud is how God also saw it. He felt that humans will achieve making a building that will get to his heaven. Therefore Genesis 11:5 to 7 came about.

Genesis 11: 5 - 7

Verse 5:
"And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded."
Verse 6:
"And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do."
Verse 7:
"Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."

GOD PANICKED

God became restless when the people began to build the tower. He felt that they will achieve their goals of building a skyscraper that will shoot above the cloud and then he would be exposed. Then he had to confuse their language.

Wow, these sounds amusing. The world then had several languages, but right now humans have languages that billions of people can speak. So if they want to achieve that feat right now, they can. They have even achieved a bigger feat which has surpassed reaching the height of the sky. Rockets have flown above the supposed abode of God but saw nothing like God.

WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED?

God could have relocated his heaven somewhere else when he discovered that humans will become wiser and achieve the feat of reaching a higher height anytime soon. Now he has shifted his location to somewhere nobody can see. What if we try to find out where God's new location is? Will he panic again and relocate?

IS GOD A COWARD?

If God will keep changing location because of men, can we simply conclude that he is a coward running from being sighted by men. Or could we say he is ignorant of his own immense power? If humans can only see within the visible light ray, can't God make himself and his angels infraredic or x-rayish in nature so we can't see him or interfere with him instead of running helter skelter away from men, or is there something God is hiding away from men?

What is your conclusion?

Some will say the foolishness of God is greater than the wisdom of men. Should we conclude that same way as Paul concluded because of how foolish he saw God's actions? Or should we ignore Paul and do our own findings?

What is your say?

You are missing the point.

He wasn't insecure about their visions or aspirations but rather he wanted them to multiply upon the surface of the earth, to fill the Earth.

They didn't want to leave their comfort zones.
So he used another way.

You must also bear in mind the historical context of the people, they as at that time believed God(s) dwelt in the sky!!!

This is found in almost all civilizations.
Hence based on their perceptions they thought that!

The Heaven God dwells is beyond the universe even if they had continued they still won't have reached him.

Gabrielshow24:
You are missing the point.

He wasn't insecure about their visions or aspirations but rather he wanted them to multiply upon the surface of the earth, to fill the Earth.

They didn't want to leave their comfort zones.
So he used another way.

You must also bear in mind the historical context of the people, they as at that time believed God(s) dwelt in the sky!!!

This is found in almost all civilizations.
Hence based on their perceptions they thought that!

The Heaven God dwells is beyond the universe even if they had continued they still won't have reached him.

So if they built a skyscraper, it would hinder their multiplication. Pls can you explain that to me? How a skyscraper can stop humans from multiplying.
Also try to explain to me how this account of God scattering the people wasn't recorded in any other religious books or oral history traditions all over the world except in the Bible?

delkuf:
you talking like a fool. I pray God forgive you before it is too late

Why not counter the facts instead of barking.

Emusan:
So you agree that you don't know if God exists.

Which is neither a scientist FACT.

No fact about any God's existence as yet, but I go for the God assumed to have created Jehovah. I read about it and it is the only one that appealled to me among all the Gods. Now over to you, which of the Gods exist or which one do you believe in? Jehovah, Allah or Reverad who created Jehovah?

geoworldedu:
So if they built a skyscraper, it would hinder their multiplication. Pls can you explain that to me? How a skyscraper can stop humans from multiplying.
Also try to explain to me how this account of God scattering the people wasn't recorded in any other religious books or oral history traditions all over the world except in the Bible?

Like I said, God wanted them to fill the face of the Earth.

You can't fill the face of the Earth if you were in one place.

I don't know whether or not, as at the time of this writing of other records, but according to the bible it was mentioned so.

Sooner or later historical records could surface up to lend credence to it until then it's a biblical claim!

geoworldedu:
No fact about any God's existence as yet, but I go for the God assumed to have created Jehovah. I read about it and it is the only one that appealled to me among all the Gods. Now over to you, which of the Gods exist or which one do you believe in? Jehovah, Allah or Reverad who created Jehovah?

Where is your scientific FACTUAL that a God exists who created Jehovah?

Emusan:
Where is your scientific FACTUAL that a God exists who created Jehovah?

There's none.
It will most likely be some Ugaritic texts!

Or some guy trying to piece together and further his own arguments by the admixture of various historical texts🤔

Emusan:
Where is your scientific FACTUAL that a God exists who created Jehovah?

I take all of them as fictions until otherwise proven. I can talk about Superman like it exists, same way I talk about all these Gods. It's not a crime to have one of them as your favorite.

Gabrielshow24:
Like I said, God wanted them to fill the face of the Earth.

You can't fill the face of the Earth if you were in one place.

I don't know whether or not, as at the time of this writing of other records, but according to the bible it was mentioned so.

Sooner or later historical records could surface up to lend credence to it until then it's a biblical claim!

So how did they get to Nigeria from that place? They swam and survived in the ocean or what? And then their colours changed while swimming in the waters abi

Gabrielshow24:
You are missing the point.

He wasn't insecure about their visions or aspirations but rather he wanted them to multiply upon the surface of the earth, to fill the Earth.

They didn't want to leave their comfort zones.
So he used another way.

You must also bear in mind the historical context of the people, they as at that time believed God(s) dwelt in the sky!!!

This is found in almost all civilizations.
Hence based on their perceptions they thought that!

The Heaven God dwells is beyond the universe even if they had continued they still won't have reached him.

Its funny how when the texts clearly state something, but what it states doesn't conform to what you people expect in the text, you negotiate and renegotiate the meaning to tell the text what its supposed to be saying. Where is the bolded cited as the reason in the story when the reason is already clearly stated in verse 5. Also the comfort zone crap falls apart first because its not stated anywhere, second they where already migrating from the east as stated clearly in verse 1. So rethink another excuse for the flaws, this one no jive. How can a migrating people be in their comfort zone?comeAlso an omniscient being that suddenly got anthropomorphic features and had to xome down to see. Nigga please.

geoworldedu:
So how did they get to Nigeria from that place? They swam and survived in the ocean or what? And then their colours changed while swimming in the waters abi

That's rather foolish to say!

Or don't you know how melanin is produced🤨?

There's even evidence that some ancestors of men used boats to migrate elsewhere!!!
Hence your mockery is invalid and only shows your ignorance!!!

Gabrielshow24:
That's rather foolish to say!

Or don't you know how melanin is produced🤨?

There's even evidence that some ancestors of men used boats to migrate elsewhere!!!
Hence your mockery is invalid and only shows your ignorance!!!

So you can use boat over the ocean

Pls explain how those people used boat to migrate from Babel to Nigeria abeg. That's all I asked. Using boat over the ocean in the early men ages is a suicide mission o. Omoh

Lucifyre:
Its funny how when the texts clearly state something, but what it states doesn't conform to what you people expect in the text, you negotiate and renegotiate the meaning to tell the text what its supposed to be saying. Where is the bolded cited as the reason in the story when the reason is already clearly stated in verse 5. Also the comfort zone crap falls apart first because its not stated anywhere, second they where already migrating from the east as stated clearly in verse 1. So rethink another excuse for the flaws, this one no jive. How can a migrating people be in their comfort zone?comeAlso an omniscient being that suddenly got anthropomorphic features and had to xome down to see. Nigga please.

To answer your rebuttal, the reason they decided to make a city is to dwell there!!!

You don't make a city and then migrate elsewhere 🤨!!!

geoworldedu:
So you can use boat over the ocean

Pls explain how those people used boat to migrate from Babel to Nigeria abeg. That's all I asked. Using boat over the ocean in the early men ages is a suicide mission o. Omoh

It isn't necessary that they migrated over oceans🤔.

It wasn't stated there!
You should ask your self what water bodies were nearby before presupposing an extreme form of the argument as though you struck a gold mine.

Context is important!

Gabrielshow24:
To answer your rebuttal, the reason they decided to make a city is to dwell there!!!

You don't make a city and then migrate elsewhere 🤨!!!

So the family house that you have, all your family members are living there. They have refused to go out of it to a greener pasture abi. Chai

Gabrielshow24:
It isn't necessary that they migrated over oceans🤔.

It wasn't stated there!
You should ask your self what water bodies were nearby before presupposing an extreme form of the argument as though you struck a gold mine.

Context is important!

Now tell me how we can follow from middle east to Nigeria without passing through the ocean or any water body abeg. Even Ferdinand Magellan and his crews who later came to Africa through ship, many of them lost their lives, let alone those who trekked or maybe flew in the air from babel to Nigeria.

geoworldedu:
Now tell me how we can follow from middle east to Nigeria without passing through the ocean or any water body abeg. Even Ferdinand Magellan and his crews who later came to Africa through ship, many of them lost their lives, let alone those who trekked or maybe flew in the air from babel to Nigeria.

It doesn't matter, the next generations will follow.

the next generations would have been equipped with the right knowledge of sea navigation after years of trial and error🤨.

It's just like someone asking how United States made nuclear weapons? you seem to forget that it was a gradual process!!!

geoworldedu:
So you can use boat over the ocean

Pls explain how those people used boat to migrate from Babel to Nigeria abeg. That's all I asked. Using boat over the ocean in the early men ages is a suicide mission o. Omoh

Dude would manufacture explanations 😂. Not forgetting this was after the flood, so the people were few and the only way to repopulate was through incest. They claim everyone came from incest. This is not even considering different languages already existed in Gen 10.

geoworldedu:
So the family house that you have, all your family members are living there. They have refused to go out of it to a greener pasture abi. Chai

This is a weak analogy.

It is well documented that the fear of the unknown made most gather together in Cities and built fortifications.

They only went out of necessities!!!

You are using anachronism to bring out your point but it's faulty!!!

Gabrielshow24:
It doesn't matter, the next generations will follow.

the next generations would have been equipped with the right knowledge of sea navigation after years of trial and error🤨.

It's just like someone asking how United States made nuclear weapons? you seem to forget that it was a gradual process!!!

The next generation could follow, but not the cavemen generation and according to scientific history, it was stated that Africa is where humans started from. So how did Babel in the middle east be the origin of human beings when our history already have human beings in Africa before the babble story of babel was written?

Gabrielshow24:
This is a weak analogy.

It is well documented that the fear of the unknown made most gather together in Cities and built fortifications.

They only went out of necessities!!!

You are using anachronism to bring out your point but it's faulty!!!

Well documented where? In the Bible or in our own local histories? Where exactly? Send me links pls.

Lucifyre:
Dude would manufacture explanations 😂. Not forgetting this was after the flood, so the people were few and the only way to repopulate was through incest. They claim everyone came from incest. This is not even considering different languages already existed in Gen 10.

You seem not to pay attention, you just want to frolic in your ignorance!!!

Moses was exemplifying the nations that came out from Shem, Ham and Japheth!!!

The next chapter explained the cause of division!

geoworldedu:
So you can use boat over the ocean

Pls explain how those people used boat to migrate from Babel to Nigeria abeg. That's all I asked. Using boat over the ocean in the early men ages is a suicide mission o. Omoh

Is that how illiterate you are? You never heard of Suez Canal crossings? How do you think people are japaing to Europe from Benin city? Or the point Djibouti close to Mazikhandar.

geoworldedu:
Well documented where? In the Bible or in our own local histories? Where exactly? Send me links pls.

agnostophobia, xenophobia and metathesiophobia are well documented in the psychological sciences.

You can even find hints of this in the scripture!
Where biblical characters were somewhat fearful of things outside their knowledge!!!

Gabrielshow24:
To answer your rebuttal, the reason they decided to make a city is to dwell there!!!

You don't make a city and then migrate elsewhere 🤨!!!

Is this a joke😄 People who were just migrated and got somehwere to build shelter didnt want to leave their comfort zone. Even you deep down you know you're saying nonsense. Besides where's the text that shows this as the reason and that god wanted to spread them in the story different from what's in verse 5.

geoworldedu:
The next generation could follow, but not the cavemen generation and according to scientific history, it was stated that Africa is where humans started from. So how did Babel in the middle east be the origin of human beings when our history already have human beings in Africa before the babble story of babel was written?

How then do we have pyramids all over the world? - exaggerated a little bit🤧.

As far as scripture is concerned, that's probably where the flood waters must have receded from beneath the ark!

Hence few years of "migrations" like you and colleague claim is enough to get to that supposed place.

Thus it's not implausible!!!

Gabrielshow24:
agnostophobia, xenophobia and metathesiophobia are well documented in the psychological sciences.

You can even find hints of this in the scripture!
Where biblical characters were somewhat fearful of things outside their knowledge!!!

Don't waste your time on these Fools. It is only abuses, insalts and foolishnesses that they have in their empty stupid lives!

Lucifyre:
Is this a joke😄 People who were just migrated and got somehwere to build shelter didnt want to leave their comfort zone. Even you deep down you know you're saying nonsense. Besides where's the text that shows this as the reason and that god wanted to spread them in the story different from what's in verse 5.

Gen1:28 suggests that God wanted them to fill the Earth.
A process that will be somewhat difficult given the fact they just made a city for themselves and were in the works of making a tower.

Also, I don't see someone coming from a "far place" building a house, then suddenly wants to leave🤨.

What then was the purpose of the city?
If it were to be you, would you prefer to dwell in the city or continue roaming about? 🤧

geoworldedu:
I have never seen any comment as stupid as this in my life. The earth is your God's footstool according to your Bible

I am very sure your God also has potty to poo inside, just same way he has footstool.
So your God is physical such that physical construction is affecting his physical stool or what
No matter the amount of buildings constructed on earth, internet will still work, but ordinary one skyscraper that some cavemen were building was disturbing your God's feet. I can't laugh again because my heart is paining me. I have rolled on the floor with tears in my face while laughing. This is the most stupid comment I have ever seen in defence of a Christian story

MTN, Glo, GOTV, oya over to you guys. Can you teach God to use something not physical to construct his legs and arms, so that skyscrapers or any physical constructions on earth won't be disturbing his legs and long pennis?

The skyscrapers are tickling his feet so had to reposition his footstool to Mars, Venus is too hot. LMAO.

Gabrielshow24:
You seem not to pay attention, you just want to frolic in your ignorance!!!

Moses was exemplifying the nations that came out from Shem, Ham and Japheth!!!

The next chapter explained the cause of division!

You sure you read Gen 10 😁. You seen how it's structured . Clearly everyone did not disperse from Shinar just the Nimrod crew as stated in 8, it shows where everyone dispersed from and they had languages already. It would have clearly told us everyone dispersed from Shinar where the tower was . Any other way to reconcile what's an obvious contradiction and any text to demonstrate that

Lucifyre:
You sure you read Gen 10 😁. You seen how it's structured . Clearly everyone did not disperse from Shinar just the Nimrod crew as stated in 8, it shows where everyone dispersed from and they had languages already. It would have clearly told us everyone dispersed from Shinar where the tower was . Any other way to reconcile what's an obvious contradiction and any text to demonstrate that

It's a nice way to see it.
But you failed to see the essence of the narration, it was to list out the genealogy of Noah's children hence anything that happened in between was not relevant to the listing(enumeration)!!!

Or will you add additional stories when you are exemplifying a tree like listing?

Hence the major reason, he gave the cause of the division of languages in the next chapter and he even further elucidated the families once more!!

Hence we don't know for sure on whose heads the splitting started from!!!

But one thing we do know is the result - the nations.

Also there has never been scientific evidence of children speaking language which they are not exposed to.

Hence they must have spoken the same language from the start!!!

Stop with this your agenda.
Be honest for once!!!

If you can bring out evidence of where a child spoke Chinese when he/she wasn't exposed to it at all!!!

Or when you were growing up did you suddenly start speaking English?
Didn't you get acquainted with it?

Hence science at best can only explain accents(slight variations) not diversity of languages!!!

Gabrielshow24:
Gen1:28 suggests that God wanted them to fill the Earth.
A process that will be somewhat difficult given the fact they just made a city for themselves and were in the works of making a tower.

Also, I don't see someone coming from a "far place" building a house, then suddenly wants to leave🤨.

What then was the purpose of the city?
If it were to be you, would you prefer to dwell in the city or continue roaming about? 🤧

You seriously went to cite creation story as evidence when the babel story is there. Silly anachronism, cite referrals to the tower of babel story pls. If you had a clue it would have been even better to cite the "populate the earth" command to Noah, as Babel happened after the flood.😄 Verse 4 never said they had built the city, they were building, clearly in the process of doing both. How can people who just migrated be in their comfort zone, when they've not even set up @ their new location 😁. Negotiation upon renegotiation. Besides since when is a small part of mesopotamia the whole world, cause gen 10 lists where they spread to.