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Re: Odds On Heaven by Lucifyre(op): 5:45pm On Mar 16, 2025
I find it funny how thiests resort to foaming at the mouth like as if rabid when unable to offer counter facts to facts. You both left the topic unaddressed choosing to bark rabidly instead. Hilarious.
Re: Odds On Heaven by StillDtruth: 6:21pm On Mar 16, 2025
Lucifyre:
Ok stop crying😄 sorry, i won't insalt or inpepper you again, was only marveling at your dedication and longevity to your craft. Wipe the tears from your eyes, clean the foam from your mouth and stop barking, it would be fine, your last two braincells fighting for third place can still be somewhat useful. All is not lost. No more insalts, just observation of your dedicated buffoonery from afar. Ur fellow theists usually say "what god cannot do does not exist". That's until they encounter your case😁
See high grade foolishness. See no wit who has been insalting me from the very beginning in hot desperation to stop me from always pointing out how marvelously stupid he always is. Clearly, Stupidity has become you even your village people are shocked how powerful their Curses have turned you into an imbēcile maggot!😁
Re: Odds On Heaven by StillDtruth: 6:25pm On Mar 16, 2025
Lucifyre:
I find it funny how thiests resort to foaming at the mouth like as if rabid when unable to offer counter facts to facts. You both left the topic unaddressed choosing to bark rabidly instead. Hilarious.
See mad devil on colos. The thread shows that you have been countered but all you have done is to abuse and insalt everyone who opposed you like mad people in the market. Clearly dem Curse you with Madness.
Re: Odds On Heaven by Gabrielshow24: 6:53pm On Mar 16, 2025
I will like to know his scientific proof for the non-existence of God!!!

It seems to be just sentiments 🤔.
He is looking for concrete proof, when even Science seems to suggest that the universe came from nothing - singularity.

No matter how they try when it comes to the origin of the universe, the God factor always rears its head.

I will like to see his posits on this matter.
Re: Odds On Heaven by Lucifyre(op): 7:39pm On Mar 16, 2025
StillDtruth:
See mad devil on colos. The thread shows that you have been countered but all you have done is to abuse and insalt everyone who opposed you like mad people in the market. Clearly dem Curse you with Madness.
You and your obsession with madness, it clearly runs in your family. Its your kids i pity, hopefully you don't pass the genes onto them, funny thing is even if they escape the madness gene, can they be lucky to escape your foolishness gene. Hopefully they are lucky twice, it's possible.
Re: Odds On Heaven by Lucifyre(op): 7:44pm On Mar 16, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
I will like to know his scientific proof for the non-existence of God!!!

It seems to be just sentiments 🤔.
He is looking for concrete proof, when even Science seems to suggest that the universe came from nothing - singularity.

No matter how they try when it comes to the origin of the universe, the God factor always rears its head.

I will like to see his posits on this matter.
I would also like to see scientific evidence for humbaba and the seven tailed flying monkey with dragon breath😊.
Please show me where science claims the world "came from nothing". Just one reputable source. Meanwhile your bible claims your god came out of nothing and created everything out of nothing. Isn't that just brilliant. Also which god sef cause like legion, they're many.
Re: Odds On Heaven by Kobojunkie: 7:44pm On Mar 16, 2025
Every Religion(and its many denominations) seems to have a different heaven defined, though, so? Each, within the same religion, may share many similarities. However, the qualifications to enter said heaven is different across denominations. huh
Re: Odds On Heaven by Gabrielshow24: 7:54pm On Mar 16, 2025
Lucifyre:
I would also like to see scientific evidence for humbaba and the seven tailed flying monkey with dragon breath😊.
Please show me where science claims the world "came from nothing". Just one reputable source. Meanwhile your bible claims your god came out of nothing and created everything out of nothing. Isn't that just brilliant. Also which god sef cause like legion, they're many.
Our God didn't come out of nothing!
He brought all things out of nothing!!!

Why not enlighten yourself whether indeed "singularity" is concrete? 🤨

Maybe then you will understand better.
Re: Odds On Heaven by Gabrielshow24: 7:55pm On Mar 16, 2025
Kobojunkie:
Every Religion(and its many denominations) seems to have a different heaven defined, though, so? Each, within the same religion, may share many similarities. However, the qualifications to enter said heaven is different across denominations. huh
The same way many people write the same exam and get different scores!!! 😂😂😂
Re: Odds On Heaven by Kobojunkie: 7:57pm On Mar 16, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
➜The same way many people write the same exam and get different scores!!! 😂😂😂
This submission of yours is altogether disconnected from my post. So, why post it in response to my comment, for Pete's sake? 😐😐😐😐
Re: Odds On Heaven by Lucifyre(op): 8:14pm On Mar 16, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Our God didn't come out of nothing!
He brought all things out of nothing!!!

Why not enlighten yourself whether indeed "singularity" is concrete? 🤨

Maybe then you will understand better.
1. Where's the reputable source for the science claim?
2. So where did your particular god come from?
3. So something can come out of nothing?! 😁 Thought science made that claim.
4. The singularity being concrete or not doesn't prove your god. Singularity might not be concrete but the equations and framework that describe it are. Even though they're not observable and usually hidden away behind event horizons its only a matter of time similar to black holes. 20 yrs ago, no one had observed a black hole save for its framework, today 😉.... Same can't be said for your god.
Re: Odds On Heaven by Gabrielshow24: 8:24pm On Mar 16, 2025
Lucifyre:
1. Where's the reputable source for the science claim?
2. So where did your particular god come from?
3. So something can come out of nothing?! 😁 Thought science made that claim.
4. The singularity being concrete or not doesn't prove your god. Singularity might not be concrete but the equations and framework that describe it are. Even though they're not observable and usually hidden away behind event horizons its only a matter of time similar to black holes. 20 yrs ago, no one had observed a black hole save for its framework, today 😉.... Same can't be said for you god.
It doesn't matter, singularity isn't concrete yet you don't have issue with that.

Have you not thought how it's possible to conceptualize all this(mathematically) even without concrete evidence, doesn't it tell you that natural things obey some form of laws!!!

You have problem with God, but with singularity you don't have a problem 🤨 while both are not concrete!!!

Some scientists don't even believe in singularities looking for better ways to explain the origination of the universe 👀!

As for question 1 - 2, the same source that made you know that the singularity is not concrete answers that!

As for question 3: the singularity suggests that!!!
Simple reasoning should make you ask what predated matter, time and space?

Then maybe you will have your answer!!!
Can't you see?
The same way, I can make the same claim for God!!!

You don't have the scientific frameworks as at now to prove the existence of God but you have present hints that lead to him!!!!
Re: Odds On Heaven by Lucifyre(op): 8:30pm On Mar 16, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
It doesn't matter, singularity isn't concrete yet you don't have issue with that.

Have you not thought how it's possible to conceptualize all this(mathematically) even without concrete evidence, doesn't it tell you that natural things obey some form of laws!!!

You have problem with God, but with singularity you don't have a problem 🤨 while both are not concrete!!!

Some scientists don't even believe in singularities looking for better ways to explain the origination of the universe 👀!

As for question 1 - 2, the same source that made you know that the singularity is not concrete answers that!

As for question 3: the singularity suggests that!!!
Simple reasoning should make you ask what predated matter, time and space?

Then maybe you will have your answer!!!
Can't you see?
The same way, I can make the same claim for God!!!

You don't have the scientific frameworks as at now to prove the existence of God but you have present hints that lead to him!!!!
In other words i dont have the answers i just make baseless claims and beat around the bush to avoid providing evidence for my claims and assertions. 😂
Re: Odds On Heaven by Gabrielshow24: 8:45pm On Mar 16, 2025
Lucifyre:
In other words i dont have the answers i just make baseless claims and beat around the bush to avoid providing evidence for my claims and assertions. 😂
Your words not mine🤣🤣🤣

And if you had you would have provided concrete proof for "singularity" 🤔

But you argue that we don't have the present framework to determine singularities 🤔 how hypocritical is that, you don't have yet you believe.

Can't an apologetic say the same?
Or what framework do you have to prove God?

The only things present are hints — causation and effect, intelligent design etc

Maybe when you have the proper frameworks to disprove God you can talk until then you will do so well to remain quiet!!!
Re: Odds On Heaven by Lucifyre(op): 8:51pm On Mar 16, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Your words not mine🤣🤣🤣

And if you had you would have provided concrete proof for "singularity" 🤔

But you argue that we don't have the present framework to determine singularities 🤔 how hypocritical is that, you don't have yet you believe.

Can't an apologetic say the same?
Or what framework do you have to prove God?

The only things present are hints — causation and effect, intelligent design etc

Maybe when you have the proper frameworks to disprove God you can talk until then you will do so well to remain quiet!!!
Not only can you not read you can't comprehend either😂 quote where i said the bolded.
Re: Odds On Heaven by Gabrielshow24: 8:54pm On Mar 16, 2025
Lucifyre:
1. Where's the reputable source for the science claim?
2. So where did your particular god come from?
3. So something can come out of nothing?! 😁 Thought science made that claim.
4. The singularity being concrete or not doesn't prove your god. Singularity might not be concrete but the equations and framework that describe it are. Even though they're not observable and usually hidden away behind event horizons its only a matter of time similar to black holes. 20 yrs ago, no one had observed a black hole save for its framework, today 😉.... Same can't be said for your god.
Here, Einstein.
How then did they observe the black hole?
What do they have now that they didn't have before to observe the black hole?
🤔
Re: Odds On Heaven by Lucifyre(op): 9:08pm On Mar 16, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Here, Einstein.
How then did they observe the black hole?
What do they have now that they didn't have before to observe the black hole?
🤔
You have a search engine right or reading frightens you, no surprise there. When you don't read, simple questions like i asked above can't be answered. Even 1. Where's the reputable source for the claim you made that science makes about the world coming out of nothing. Besides is this how you wanted to school me?!😆
Re: Odds On Heaven by Gabrielshow24: 9:12pm On Mar 16, 2025
Lucifyre:
You have a search engine right or reading frightens you, no surprise there. When you don't read, simple questions like i asked above can't be answered. Even 1. Where's the reputable source for the claim you made that science makes about the world coming out of nothing. Besides is this how you wanted to school me?!😆
Even the blind can see, that the difference between then and now is the presence of sophisticated instruments!!!

There is nothing but that.
Since you posited about this.
I can't help but to say the same thing to you!!!

Until when you idiots build instruments to disprove God, you will do so well to keep quiet until then!!!
Re: Odds On Heaven by Gabrielshow24: 9:22pm On Mar 16, 2025
Kobojunkie:
This submission of yours is altogether disconnected from my post. So, why post it in response to my comment, for Pete's sake? 😐😐😐😐
The analogy might be but the underlying concept is not.

The understanding of God differs from denomination to denomination, religion to religion etc
Re: Odds On Heaven by Kobojunkie: 9:28pm On Mar 16, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
➜The analogy might be but the underlying concept is not. The understanding of God differs from denomination to denomination, religion to religion etc
There is absolutely no connection between my post and your retort there.

For one, your denominational religious beliefs regarding the Christian heaven are removed from that of the equally Christian idea of heaven held by the Jehovah's Witnesses. Entry requirements/qualifications for the two denominations are completely different, and sometimes opposite in orientation, meaning the heaven of the Jehovah's Witnesses cannot be the same heaven of your denomination even though you are all under the umbrella of the religion of Christianity. Your attempt to brush these obvious differences aside by claiming that it is all the same exam with only different scores either reveals a lack of understanding or a dubious cover up attempt. undecided
Re: Odds On Heaven by Lucifyre(op): 9:33pm On Mar 16, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Even the blind can see, that the difference between then and now is the presence of sophisticated instruments!!!

There is nothing but that.
Since you posited about this.
I can't help but to say the same thing to you!!!

Until when you idiots build instruments to disprove God, you will do so well to keep quiet until then!!!
While at it we would also build instruments to disprove dragons, zeus, allah and spiderman. How can someone be this unintentionally daft.
Re: Odds On Heaven by Gabrielshow24:
Lucifyre:
While at it we would also build instruments to disprove dragons, zeus, allah and spiderman. How can someone be this unintentionally daft.
Your straw man fallacy is impressive but bothersome!!!

You implied that black hole became apparent although its frameworks were concrete.

I asked what's the difference in state between the time of the posits of its "frameworks" to its image capture?

The only difference is the presence of sophisticated instruments!!!

Your allusions is that presently there might not be "instruments" to prove such but the framework(s) for singularity is present!!!

Now I am using your 4) claim against you.
In the same vein an apologetic can say the same thing.

You don't have the instruments to disprove God and we also have our own frameworks that purports his existence!!!

Also what experiments have you performed to prove singularity 🤔?

Scientists only allude to its effect as evidence🤔

And finally your odds of making heaven is zero!

You will finally be joined to your maker — Nothing 🤣🤣🤣
Re: Odds On Heaven by Lucifyre(op): 10:05pm On Mar 16, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Your straw man fallacy is impressive but bothersome!!!

You implied that black hole became apparent although its frameworks were concrete.

I asked what's the difference in state between the time of the posits of its "frameworks" to its image capture?

The only difference is the presence of sophisticated instruments!!!

Your allusions is that presently there might not be "instruments" to prove such but the framework(s) for singularity is present!!!

Now I am using your 4) claim against you.
In the same vein an apologetic can say the same thing.

You don't have the instruments to disprove God and we also have our own frameworks that purports his existence!!!

Also what experiments have you performed to prove singularity 🤔?

Scientists only allude to its effect as evidence🤔

And finally your odds of making heaven is zero!

You will finally be joined to your maker — Nothing 🤣🤣🤣
You obviously haven't got the faintest clue. This is the second time now, you ignored the last one. Quote the bolded from my posts.😁

Also where i said this "But you argue that we don't have the present framework to determine singularities ". Read book una say no.
Re: Odds On Heaven by Gabrielshow24: 10:25pm On Mar 16, 2025
Lucifyre:
You obviously haven't got the faintest clue. This is the second time now, you ignored the last one. Quote the bolded from my posts.😁

Also where i said this "But you argue that we don't have the present framework to determine singularities ". Read book una say no.
So far all I can see is that you don't know what you are saying!

You are just here to troll!
You make it sound as if theists don't have proof for God!

Ethics, morality are some of the things deeply rooted in the human brain yet can they be empirically formulated?

I don't know whether you just want to continue in this delusion of yours but I wish you all the best 😂😂.

Science doesn't have a direct experiment to prove singularity, they allude to some of its effects as evidence for singularity!!!

Can't you see the hypocrisy? 🤣🤣🤣
You believe in the singularity but yet it's not concrete🤔🤔🤔.

What's the difference between you and theists?
Re: Odds On Heaven by Gabrielshow24: 10:28pm On Mar 16, 2025
Maybe you have selective amnesia!

Here are your exact words!

4. The singularity being concrete or not doesn't prove your god. Singularity might not be concrete but the equations and framework that describe it are. Even though they're not observable and usually hidden away behind event horizons its only a matter of time similar to black holes. 20 yrs ago, no one had observed a black hole save for its framework, today 😉.... Same can't be said for your god.
Re: Odds On Heaven by Gabrielshow24: 10:32pm On Mar 16, 2025
It also makes you sound dumb because some Scientist like Kerr believe black holes don't have singularities.

My discourse revolves around the BigBang theory and the first singularity!

You seem mistaken😂😂😂
Re: Odds On Heaven by Gabrielshow24: 10:34pm On Mar 16, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Maybe you have selective amnesia!

Here are your exact words!

4. The singularity being concrete or not doesn't prove your god. Singularity might not be concrete but the equations and framework that describe it are. Even though they're not observable and usually hidden away behind event horizons its only a matter of time similar to black holes. 20 yrs ago, no one had observed a black hole save for its framework, today 😉.... Same can't be said for your god.
It's fairly straightforward from here that similar to black holes in some years to come we will have the first capture of singularities 🤣🤣🤣 —perhaps 20 years from now!!!
Re: Odds On Heaven by Lucifyre(op): 10:49pm On Mar 16, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
So far all I can see is that you don't know what you are saying!

You are just here to troll!
You make it sound as if theists don't have proof for God!

Ethics, morality are some of the things deeply rooted in the human brain yet can they be empirically formulated?

I don't know whether you just want to continue in this delusion of yours but I wish you all the best 😂😂.

Science doesn't have a direct experiment to prove singularity, they allude to some of its effects as evidence for singularity!!!

Can't you see the hypocrisy? 🤣🤣🤣
You believe in the singularity but yet it's not concrete🤔🤔🤔.

What's the difference between you and theists?
🥱🥱 Plenty words while dodging questions cause no evidence for empty claims. Boring.
Re: Odds On Heaven by Gabrielshow24: 10:58pm On Mar 16, 2025
Lucifyre:
🥱🥱 Plenty words while dodging questions cause no evidence for empty claims. Boring.
Out of both us, who dodges questions?
🤣🤣🤣

You are the one, you can get bored all you like
It's evident to others that you don't have answers yourself!!!

Simple reason for building houses, cities and towers, you said they planned on migrating🤣🤣🤣

Ozuor, you self dey reason!
Abi you no dey read wetin you dey write!

Perhaps in some 20 years man go get picture of singularity 😂😂😂.

Mr "framework"🙃
Re: Odds On Heaven by Lucifyre(op): 11:00pm On Mar 16, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Out of both us, who dodges questions?
🤣🤣🤣

You are the one, you can get bored all you like
It's evident to others that you don't have answers yourself!!!

Simple reason for building houses, cities and towers, you said they planned on migrating🤣🤣🤣

Ozuor, you self dey reason!
Abi you no dey read wetin you dey write!

Perhaps in some 20 years man go get picture of singularity 😂😂😂.

Mr "framework"🙃
🥱
Re: Odds On Heaven by Gabrielshow24: 11:06pm On Mar 16, 2025
Singularity is not concrete but yet believes in it.

Something that some prominent scientists believe doesn't exists.🤣🤣🤣

Na him proof be that, that God doesn't exist.
To spoil it all, no be concrete proof!!! 🤣🤣🤣

Wonders shall never cease!
In 20 years time 🙃, we will be awaiting the first picture of singularities.

From Nothing to Nothing🤣🤣🤣
Re: Odds On Heaven by Truthseeker10: 11:23pm On Mar 16, 2025
Lucifyre:
One more please for absolute confirmation of your grade A retardation, can you pls repeat verbatim like an oaf🙂
😂😂😂Oga what is your scientific value judgment of religion? "Good" or "bad"?

We are waiting.
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