Nigerian cleric voices anger over religious cleansing comments
January 09, 2012 01:28 AM Agencies

KANO/ABUJA/MAIDUGURI: A senior Muslim cleric in Nigeria Sunday accused a Christian leader of intimidation for saying recent attacks that have killed more than 80 people suggest “religious cleansing.”

Ayo Oritsejafor, head of the Christian Association of Nigeria, compared the killings to the run-up to the 1960s civil war which claimed more than a million lives.

“We are reminded by the occurrences of these killings of the genesis of the civil war that took place here in Nigeria,” he said.

The killing of dozens of Christians in attacks blamed on Islamists in the north of Nigeria in recent weeks suggests “ethnic and religious cleansing,” Oritsejafor said Saturday.

He added that an emergency meeting of church heads concluded “that the pattern of these killings does suggest to us a systematic ethnic and religious cleansing.”

Oritsejafor said the Christian leadership resolved to “work out means to defend ourselves against these senseless killings.” He did not elaborate.

“We have the legitimate right to defend ourselves and , we will do whatever it takes,” he added.

“We find the utterances , an intimidation and a threat to Nigerian Muslims,” Sheikh Khalid Aliyu, secretary-general of Jama’atu Nasril Islam, an umbrella grouping of Muslim organizations in Nigeria, told AFP, following Oritsejafor’s statement.

Aliyu said: “Such pronouncements calling for , Christians to defend themselves are unacceptable to us and are meant to wage attacks on Muslims.”

He said Muslims bore the brunt of most Islamist attacks in the northeast of Africa’s most populous country.

Aliyu said Oritsejafor’s comments were “reckless” and insulted the Muslim faith, but added “we will not take the law into our hands.”

The JNI secretary-general added that when hundreds of Muslims were killed in post-election violence in April last year and when Christians killed worshippers during the Muslim festival of Eid “did we threaten to attack anybody in revenge?”

At least six gun and bomb attacks blamed on Islamist group Boko Haram and targeting Christians have killed more than 80 people.

Nigeria’s 160 million population is roughly divided between a mainly Muslim north and a predominantly Christian south.

The Christian leaders condemned the state governors in the areas where the killings have taken place for failing to act to stop the killings.

“We hold them responsible for these heinous killings of people taking place in their states. We will not take it lightly,” they said.

Adamawa state, where most of the killings took place Friday, has been placed under a 24-hour curfew since late Saturday afternoon.

Separately, gunmen who are suspected Boko Haram members have killed three people on an attack on a tea shop in northeast Nigeria, according to police

Meanwhile, gunfire could be heard Sunday in a market in Maiduguri, the spiritual home of Boko Haram.

The tea shop attack occurred Saturday night in Biu in Borno state.

Local police spokesman Simeon Midenda confirmed the attack.

The spokesman could not be immediately reached regarding Sunday’s attack in Maiduguri, the Borno state capital.


A version of this article appeared in the print edition of The Daily Star on January 09, 2012, on page 10.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/International/2012/Jan-09/159205-nigerian-cleric-voices-anger-over-religious-cleansing-comments.ashx#axzz1j0JeXPyt

i think the government ought to arrest Oritsejafor for inciting violence and undermining the rule of the federal governemnt and the peace in Nigeria.

it is only the government that has the right and responsibility to protect the people of Nigeria.

inciting people to carry arms would lead to the somalia case of anarchy and lawlessness where people take the law into their hands with armed militias.

the comments of Oritsejafor (not the first time) are very irresponsible,irrational and offensive.he also made very ignorant and offensive statements on the introduction of islamic banking.

if the government of Nigeria under previous leaders who are muslims themselves have arrested and imprisoned Sheikh Ibrahim Zakzaky,i dont see why the federal government under Jonathan should not arrest Oritsejafor and ensure that he is imprisoned and replaced in CAN.

LagosShia:

i think the government ought to arrest Oritsejafor for inciting violence and undermining the rule of the federal governemnt and the peace in Nigeria.

it is only the government that has the right and responsibility to protect the people of Nigeria.

inciting people to carry arms would lead to the somalia case of anarchy and lawlessness where people take the law into their hands with armed militias.

the comments of Oritsejafor (not the first time) are very irresponsible,irrational and offensive.he also made very ignorant and offensive statements on the introduction of islamic banking.

if the government of Nigeria under previous leaders who are muslims themselves have arrested and imprisoned Sheikh Ibrahim Zakzaky,i dont see why the federal government under Jonathan should not arrest Oritsejafor and ensure that he is imprisoned and replaced in CAN.

Your insinuation is totally wrong and you lack understand. You thinking like a Muslim. Well, you are a Muslim!
So Oritsejafor should wait until your brothers in crime kill all his people abi?

I know many of your brothers will start saying what you've been saying for decades "Islam is a religion of peace". Only a thief would say "I'm not a thief" and only terrorist like you and your brothers would utter such useless and unintelligent comment of yours.

It's high time we started kidnapping you guys and hiding you forever. You've caused so much havoc and atrocities all in the name of religion ever since the world began. A well educated Muslim man is still a far dangerous man when it comes to religion. Only the Yoruba Muslims understand the Christian belief of peace and tranquillity, yet they still lack common basic understanding of what Islam is all about.

"Submission to the will of Allah"- Islam, means obeying to the letter what Quran says. This word or words is totally dangerous and have caused millions of death already. Over Five hundred Muslims die each week through suicide bombing. And these are the real Muslims beacuse they follow what the teaching of Mohammed (S.A.W) said.

One life in Christ is worth 1 million. Christians cherish life so much and would and will never kill themselves over religion. Get this straight to your thick skull, NO VIRGIN IN HEAVEN waiting for you or your brothers. Stop the violence and repent or the wrath of GOD (not Allah) will come upon all the Northerners that are causing havoc and killing our brothers and sisters.

this pastor Ayo is only good with his big mouth to make inflammatory remarks to set the country ablaze.the only thing he and his likes care about is tithe from the poor masses.

the government should protect the people of nigeria and not an area boy like Ayo.his statements are very divisive and controversial.if nigeria was under military regime,this man will not make such statements.he loves his life.the government should definitely take action against him.

Onyocha:


the government should protect the people of nigeria and not an area boy like Ayo.his statements are very divisive and controversial.if nigeria was under military regime,this man will not make such statements.he loves his life.the government should definitely take action against him.

Who is more of an area boy
Yesterday, a friend of mine told me of how an hausa bike man stabbed his cousin over change
The amazing thing is this, it happened in the heart of the niger delta.
So why shouldn't pastor Ayo talk. Do you think Christians are not fed up
It's disheartening you know, how a man can just wake up and stab somebody in the neck and yet you talk about pastor Ayo being an area boy.
I think what Nigeria needs is prayers, prayer for peace and understanding not pointing of fingers

mabell:

Who is more of an area boy
Yesterday, a friend of mine told me of how an hausa bike man stabbed his cousin over change
The amazing thing is this, it happened in the heart of the niger delta.
So why shouldn't pastor Ayo talk. Do you think Christians are not fed up
It's disheartening you know, how a man can just wake up and stab somebody in the neck and yet you talk about pastor Ayo being an area boy.
I think what Nigeria needs is prayers, prayer for peace and understanding not pointing of fingers

so the "President of CAN" is now an Okada rider!!!!

now we know the difference!

“We find the utterances ,  an intimidation and a threat to Nigerian Muslims,” Sheikh Khalid Aliyu, secretary-general of Jama’atu Nasril Islam, an umbrella grouping of Muslim organizations in Nigeria, told AFP, following Oritsejafor’s statement.

Aliyu said: “Such pronouncements calling for ,  Christians to defend themselves are unacceptable to us and are meant to wage attacks on Muslims.”

He said Muslims bore the brunt of most Islamist attacks in the northeast of Africa’s most populous country.

Aliyu said Oritsejafor’s comments were “reckless” and insulted the Muslim faith, but added “we will not take the law into our hands.”

This Cleric must be high on something really nasty! How can a charge for people to defend themselves meant to wage attacks on Muslims!  Or is the guy unwittingly confirming that Muslims are involved hence church goers defending themselves will attack attacking Muslims?! This Cleric is a funny dude. Why not just condemn the attacks waged in the name of islam.

The JNI secretary-general added that when hundreds of Muslims were killed in post-election violence in April last year and when Christians killed worshippers during the Muslim festival of Eid “did we threaten to attack anybody in revenge?”

Hundreds of Muslims were killed in the post-election violence, and so also were non Muslims.

when Christians killed worshippers during the Muslim festival of Eid “did we threaten to attack anybody in revenge?

Did CAN president  threaten to attack anybody in revenge? No.
Did he threaten revenge or ask  that worshipers prepare to defend themselves?
Yes some Muslims were attacked during the Eid in Jos, so also were non Muslims almost daily massacred in Dogon Nahawa, Riyom, Mangu etc did their elders threaten to attack Muslims in return even when it was clear that who were the attackers? Didnt they call on government and demanded the withdrawal of soldiers?

This Cleric just loves to hear his voice. How would he act if gunmen were to appear at several mosques and spray worshipers with hot lead while chanting religious words. Would he keep quiet? would he ask Muslims to defend themselves? He will do non of these -  going from Muslim antecedents and Koranic injunctions- he would do more, much more.

One thing radical Northern Muslim clerics should know is that time of radical Muslim unreplied atrocities against non Muslims is over. All this foolhardy Koranic calls to kill infidels will not go unreplied. NOBODY HAS THE MONOPOLY OF VIOLENCE ANYMORE. Its either radical Muslims reform their literal Koranic interpretations and integrate themselves into the main stream or they get what the sow. The choice is theirs

paris10:

Your insinuation is totally wrong and you lack understand. You thinking like a Muslim. Well, you are a Muslim!
So Oritsejafor should wait until your brothers in crime kill all his people abi?

those are not his people.and the criminals are not my brothers.it is the government of the country that should provide security and protection for all its citizens to live in peace and safety.

I know many of your brothers will start saying what you've been saying for decades "Islam is a religion of peace". Only a thief would say "I'm not a thief" and only terrorist like you and your brothers would utter such useless and unintelligent comment of yours.

thanks for the insult.i doubt you know those words would win you no sympathy.

It's high time we started kidnapping you guys and hiding you forever. You've caused so much havoc and atrocities all in the name of religion ever since the world began. A well educated Muslim man is still a far dangerous man when it comes to religion. Only the Yoruba Muslims understand the Christian belief of peace and tranquillity, yet they still lack common basic understanding of what Islam is all about.

you are like Ayo Oritsejafor.when we are peaceful and law abiding you still tell us we dont understand Islam.you will not let us be.you want to drive of us from our religion while you keep worshipping your jew god.

"Submission to the will of Allah"- Islam, means obeying to the letter what Quran says. This word or words is totally dangerous and have caused millions of death already. Over Five hundred Muslims die each week through suicide bombing. And these are the real Muslims beacuse they follow what the teaching of Mohammed (S.A.W) said.

you are empty headed.your stats are wrong.and the Quran does not tell us to kill anyone:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-843078.0.html#msg9937814

One life in Christ is worth 1 million. Christians cherish life so much and would and will never kill themselves over religion. Get this straight to your thick skull, NO VIRGIN IN HEAVEN waiting for you or your brothers. Stop the violence and repent or the wrath of GOD (not Allah) will come upon all the Northerners that are causing havoc and killing our brothers and sisters.

nonsense!

love life?why?

Holy Quran 62:6
"Say, "O you who are Jews, if you claim that you are allies of Allah , excluding the [other] people, then wish for death, if you should be truthful."

and iwould tell you and your likes:

O you who claim to be followers of Christ,if you claim to be saved and "sons of God",then wish for death,so that you can join your "father" in heaven if you are truthful"!!!

brentkruge:


This Cleric must be high on something really nasty! How can a charge for people to defend themselves meant to wage attacks on Muslims! Or is the guy unwittingly confirming that Muslims are involved hence church goers defending themselves will attack attacking Muslims?! This Cleric is a funny dude. Why not just condemn the attacks waged in the name of islam.

it is fact that Muslims do not consume intoxicants.no one other than Ayo Oritsejafor is high on something more than nasty.he just have a big mouth and a bigger empty head he cant use to think with.he is a fool!

how do you intend to defend yourself? by carrying weapons and undermining the sovereignty of nigeria? it is only the government that is allowed to carry weapons.civilians dont carry weapons against fellow citizens.it is the government that should defend every citizen.Ayo asking his flock to carry weapons will bring about lawlessness which will threaten the safty of all citizens.the attacks of boko haram are not waged in the name of Islam.Islam is free from their criminality.

Hundreds of Muslims were killed in the post-election violence, and so also were non Muslims.

Did CAN president threaten to attack anybody in revenge? No.
Did he threaten revenge or ask that worshipers prepare to defend themselves?
Yes some Muslims were attacked during the Eid in Jos, so also were non Muslims almost daily massacred in Dogon Nahawa, Riyom, Mangu etc did their elders threaten to attack Muslims in return even when it was clear that who were the attackers? Didnt they call on government and demanded the withdrawal of soldiers?

your CAN tout is only esclating issues and adding fuel to fire.if christians carry weapons to "defend themselves" and muslims get killed in any attack blamed on christians,do you think muslims will not also come out openly and arm themselves and go after the likes of Ayo and his followers?Ayo better be quiet.the government should arrest him.he is spreading chaos and anarchy and threatning the rule of law and the authority of the government.Ayo is sounding like an outcast.he should be treated as one.Kiri-Kiri surely got space for him!!!

This Cleric just loves to hear his voice. How would he act if gunmen were to appear at several mosques and spray worshipers with hot lead while chanting religious words. Would he keep quiet? would he ask Muslims to defend themselves? He will do non of these - going from Muslim antecedents and Koranic injunctions- he would do more, much more.

One thing radical Northern Muslim clerics should know is that time of radical Muslim unreplied atrocities against non Muslims is over. All this foolhardy Koranic calls to kill infidels will not go unreplied. NOBODY HAS THE MONOPOLY OF VIOLENCE ANYMORE. Its either radical Muslims reform their literal Koranic interpretations and integrate themselves into the main stream or they get what the sow. The choice is theirs

there is nothing like "Quranic interpretation" to kill any infidel.Muslims look up to the government for protection.they are not told to attack innocent people.

but your Ayo area boy is asking for and inciting his followers to violence.he said they will take the law into his hands.i dont know who elected him to protect nigerians.he has no right to say this:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-833886.0.html

his statements are unacceptable,irresponsible and the government should arrest him and bring him to order for the better good of the country and to avoid fanatics fro both sides taking the law into their hands and issuing inciting statements to undermine the peace and sovereignty of nigeria and the authority of government.

LagosShia:

it is fact that Muslims do not consume intoxicants.no one other than Ayo Oritsejafor is high on something more than nasty.he just have a big mouth and a bigger empty head he cant use to think with.he is a fool!

Only in Paradise, Muhammad promised you rivers of wine   

Hypocrites !!!!

Onyocha:

so the "President of CAN" is now an Okada rider!!!!
now we know the difference!

You don't need to misquote or misunderstand me.
It was an instance I was given
We better talk about solutions than unnecessarily pick on things

frosbel:

Only in Paradise, Muhammad promised you rivers of wine    

Hypocrites !!!!

sorry we do not believe in intoxicants at all.your wet-dream was refuted:
Quran 37:40-47
"But the sincere (and devoted) Servants of Allah,- For them is a Sustenance determined, Fruits (Delights); and they (shall enjoy) honour and dignity, In Gardens of Felicity, Facing each other on Thrones (of Dignity): Round will be passed to them a Cup from a clear-flowing fountain, Crystal-white, of a taste delicious to those who drink (thereof), Free from headiness; nor will they suffer intoxication therefrom."

now,lets see what the bible says:
DRINKING/SHAYO IN THE BIBLICAL PARADISE
Matthew 26:29
29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

mabell:

You don't need to misquote or misunderstand me.
It was an instance I was given
We better talk about solutions than unnecessarily pick on things

how can you even compare the "CAN President" to a bike operator?such an instance is not fitting and not one of responsibility.

LagosShia:

it is fact that Muslims do not consume intoxicants.no one other than Ayo Oritsejafor is high on something more than nasty.he just have a big mouth and a bigger empty head he cant use to think with.he is a fool!

how do you intend to defend yourself? by carrying weapons and undermining the sovereignty of nigeria? it is only the government that is allowed to carry weapons.civilians dont carry weapons against fellow citizens.it is the government that should defend every citizen.Ayo asking his flock to carry weapons will bring about lawlessness which will threaten the safty of all citizens.the attacks of boko haram are not waged in the name of Islam.Islam is free from their criminality.
your CAN tout is only esclating issues and adding fuel to fire.if christians carry weapons to "defend themselves" and muslims get killed in any attack blamed on christians,do you think muslims will not also come out openly and arm themselves and go after the likes of Ayo and his followers?Ayo better be quiet.the government should arrest him.he is spreading chaos and anarchy and threatning the rule of law and the authority of the government.Ayo is sounding like an outcast.he should be treated as one.Kiri-Kiri surely got space for him!!!


there is nothing like "Quranic interpretation" to kill any infidel.Muslims look up to the government for protection.they are not told to attack innocent people.

but your Ayo area boy is asking for and inciting his followers to violence.he said they will take the law into his hands.i dont know who elected him to protect nigerians.he has no right to say this:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-833886.0.html

his statements are unacceptable,irresponsible and the government should arrest him and bring him to order for the better good of the country and to avoid fanatics fro both sides taking the law into their hands and issuing inciting statements to undermine the peace and sovereignty of nigeria and the authority of government.

“We have hitherto exercised restraint in our public statements on these matters. However, we cannot continue to do so indefinitely, and are determined that in the year 2012, if these unprovoked attacks continue, and Christians remain unprotected by the security agencies, then we will have no choice but to defend our lives and property and take our own steps to ensure our safety and security”. .

Ha be truthful, Where did he state that his followers will carry arms? I have been following this story and was wondering how till I asked and found out that most of the defense was visual and physical deterrence and I think it will work.

If I may ask you don't you have vigilantes in your community in Lagos? Don't you have security committee in your neighborhood? So you dont know that they are an effective deterrent against crime? Do their existence threaten the Nigerian state?

brentkruge:

“We have hitherto exercised restraint in our public statements on these matters. However, we cannot continue to do so indefinitely, and are determined that in the year 2012, if these unprovoked attacks continue, and Christians remain unprotected by the security agencies, then we will have no choice but to defend our lives and property and take our own steps to ensure our safety and security”. .

Ha be truthful, Where did he state that his followers will carry arms? I have been following this story and was wondering how till I asked and found out that most of the defense was visual and physical deterrence and I think it will work.

If I may ask you don't you have vigilantes in your community in Lagos? Don't you have security committee in your neighborhood? So you dont know that they are an effective deterrent against crime? Do their existence threaten the Nigerian state?

so Ayo is threatening to take action into his hand by forming "vigilantes" and not carrying arms?how does Ayo intend to "defend" himself and not "protect" or "prevent" attacks through vigilantes? that is what you should answer before trying to stretch words and playing with them.

LagosShia:

As you can see
Ayo asking his flock to carry weapons will bring about lawlessness which will threaten the safty of all citizens.[b]the attacks of boko haram are not waged in the name of Islam.[/b]Islam is free from their criminality.

I am sick on this Boko Haram defendants.
Are Boko Haram pagans? Or Atheists?.
You once mentioned that they are wahabism or something like that which is small group of Muslims that dont understand Islam.

Join them (thats if you are not already a member) cos Heaven is running out of virgins.

your CAN tout is only esclating issues and adding fuel to fire.if christians carry weapons to "defend themselves" and muslims get killed in any attack blamed on christians,do you think muslims will not also come out openly and arm themselves and go after the likes of Ayo and his followers?

Muslims are already attacking openly,so there's no need hiding their identity. Well,as much as you love killing,so also we love living and we must protect ourselves.

Ayo better be quiet.the government should arrest him.he is spreading chaos and anarchy and threatning the rule of law and the authority of the government.Ayo is sounding like an outcast.he should be treated as one.Kiri-Kiri surely got space for him!!!

So he should be arrested because he stated the need of protection? He never said "revenge and bomb down Mosques". So you sound like a bitter Muslim who is not fed up with blood for Allah,so the victims should be vulnerable to your attacks.

there is nothing like [b]"Quranic interpretation" to kill any infidel.Muslims look up to the government for protection.[/b]they are not told to attack innocent people.

You sound like a muslim infidel. Unfortunately, your brothers are taking your own portion in Heaven. The Koran supports every move they make. Boko Haram are royal servants of Allah,and your rantings here doesnt change anythin.

LagosShia:

sorry we do not believe in intoxicants at all.your wet-dream was refuted:
Quran 37:40-47
"But the sincere (and devoted) Servants of Allah,- For them is a Sustenance determined, Fruits (Delights); and they (shall enjoy) honour and dignity, In Gardens of Felicity, Facing each other on Thrones (of Dignity): Round will be passed to them a Cup from a clear-flowing fountain, Crystal-white, of a taste delicious to those who drink (thereof), Free from headiness; nor will they suffer intoxication therefrom."

Mohammed had to find more selling points besides virgins, young boys and plenty of water. What good would be of Paradise without rivers of wine for his followers? Wine was an extremely precious commodity in the dry deserts of Arabia where it was rare to find vineyards. Mohammed had a problem here- he had to include wine in his 'Paradise-Package' but how could he include it in the list when Allah had declared intoxicants as sinful. The only way to do this was to somehow claim that the wine in the promised Paradise was not intoxicating and therefore not sinful. Never mind the fact that wine by nature contains alcohol which is intoxicating.

Koran 47:15
Here is a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised. In it are, rivers of wine,

Koran 37:40-48
But the true servants of God shall be well provided for,, they shall be served with goblet filled at a gushing fountain, white and delicious to those who drink it. It will neither dull their senses nor befuddle them.

Koran 56:7-40
They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shalt wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine:

Koran 83:23-26
The righteous will surely dwell in bliss. Reclining upon soft couches they will gaze around them: and in their faces you shall mark the glow of joy. They shall be given a pure wine to drink, securely sealed, whose very dregs are musk,

Judek,your low level of discussion is not worthy of reply to your posts.

review the many failed attempts (on the 72 virgin allegations,muslim/christian paradise) made by your jew-man-worshipper counterpart and partner in christianity's fruad,frosbel:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-734804.0.html#msg8914671

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-741035.0.html#msg8994652

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-798015.32.html#msg9539129

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-55730.96.html#msg9690294

@Lagoshia, your vague arguements and gibberish replies pisses me out that sometimes I dont feel like reading them.

You tried to deny your promised rivers of wine,and I proved it from your Koran.
You now want to discuss virgins, . So here also are the promise of virgins for intimate pleasure in your paradise.

Koran 78:31
As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high- bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup.

Koran 37:40-48
, They will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.

Koran 44:51-55
, Yes and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris. (beautiful
virgins)

Koran 52:17-20
, They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris (virgins) we shall wed them,

Koran 55:56-57
In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched before.Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"

Koran 55:57-58
Virgins as fair as corals and rubies. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"

Koran 56:7-40
, We created the houris (the beautiful women) and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand,  "

Quote from Hadiths

Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, No. 34
Ali reported that the Apostle of Allah said, "There is in Paradise a market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have intercourse with them."

@All, sorry for the off topic. But something hillarious attracted it

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Quran 37:40-47
"But the sincere (and devoted) Servants of Allah,- For them is a Sustenance determined, Fruits (Delights); and they (shall enjoy) honour and dignity, In Gardens of Felicity, Facing each other on Thrones (of Dignity): Round will be passed to them a Cup from a clear-flowing fountain, Crystal-white, of a taste delicious to those who drink (thereof), Free from headiness; nor will they suffer intoxication therefrom."

PHYSICAL PARADISE IN THE BIBLE JUST AS THE ONE MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN AND NOT THE 'SPIRITUAL' FANTASY CHRISTIAN DREAM OF BASED ON THE TEACHINGS OF PAUL

how can humans made up of blood and flesh be transformed into 'spiritual beings'?

TREES AND FOOD AND PRECIOUS STONES IN EDEN ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE

Genesis 2:7-9
7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
8 Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed.
9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Ezekiel 28:13
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared.


PHYSICAL BODIES IN PARADISE

Genesis 2:22
Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib[a] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.


WIFE IN PARADISE

Genesis 3:20
Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.


FLESH IN PARADISE AND EYES TO SEE GOD!


Job 19:26 -27
26 And after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh I will see God;
27 I myself will see himwith my own eyes—I, and not another. How my heart yearns within me!

26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.

DRINKING IN THE BIBLICAL PARADISE

Matthew 26:29
29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

EATING BREAD IN PARADISE

Luke 14:15
15 When one of those at the table with him heard this, he said to Jesus, “Blessed is the one who will eat at the feast in the kingdom of God.”

JESUS WAS TAKEN UP WITH PHYSICAL BODY

Luke 24:51
51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven.


PAUL'S CONTRADICTION OF A PHYSICAL PARADISE BASED ON IMAGINATION

It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. (1 Corinthians 15:44)

I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. (1 Corinthians 15:50)


JESUS EATING AFTER HIS ALLEGED RESURRECTION (hint:its either Jesus did not die and resurrect or after resurrection and life returns people still have physical bodies.christians should make a choice!)

Luke 24:41-43
New International Version (NIV)

41 And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate it in their presence.

This guy is damned Funny. .

The Combination of ignorance of Mohammad with his teachings and the Fallacies of his Koran has made muslims a laughing stock. . Even Western education they undergo adds salt to injury cos without it, even their uneducated brain can do better.

@Lagoshia just posted the fantasies of the Garden of Eden, as Heaven. Hohohoho .
You should have included the snake that decieved them too as SNAKE IN CHRISTIANS HEAVEN

This guy has nothing meaningful to present. I dont even know why i'm wasting my time reading this rubbish. An uneducated Mohammadian can do better.

Judek2:

This guy is damned Funny. .

The Combination of ignorance of Mohammad with his teachings and the Fallacies of his Koran has made muslims a laughing stock. . Even Western education they undergo adds salt to injury cos without it, even their uneducated brain can do better.

@Lagoshia just posted the fantasies of the Garden of Eden, as Heaven. Hohohoho .
You should have included the snake that decieved them too as SNAKE IN CHRISTIANS HEAVEN

This guy has nothing meaningful to present. I dont even know why i'm wasting my time reading this rubbish. An uneducated Mohammadian can do better.

The ignorant raisin head just saw the word "paradise" and automatically thought that meant heaven.

davidylan:

The ignorant raisin head just saw the word "paradise" and automatically thought that meant heaven.

ignorance?

we are not the ones who likened Eden to paradise or heaven.you guys did.you keep telling us how Adam lost eternal life and how he was in God's grace and in paradesical life in which he was sinless and safe.then he was demoted to earthly life and sin.and you keep insisting how your god must kill his son for you to retain heavenly life.now you are denying he was in heaven.can you tell us where he was?what did he lose?

can you show me from your bible the difference between paradise and heaven and between eden and paradise? i know Jehovah's witnesses believe in heavenly life and earthly paradise.i never knew other christians too share in the fantasy.

Judek2:

I am sick on this Boko Haram defendants.
Are Boko Haram pagans? Or Atheists?.
You once mentioned that they are wahabism or something like that which is small group of Muslims that dont understand Islam.

Join them (thats if you are not already a member) cos Heaven is running out of virgins.

Muslims are already attacking openly,so there's no need hiding their identity. Well,as much as you love killing,so also we love living and we must protect ourselves.

So he should be arrested because he stated the need of protection? He never said "revenge and bomb down Mosques". So you sound like a bitter Muslim who is not fed up with blood for Allah,so the victims should be vulnerable to your attacks.

You sound like a muslim infidel. Unfortunately, your brothers are taking your own portion in Heaven. The Koran supports every move they make. Boko Haram are royal servants of Allah,and your rantings here doesnt change anythin.

@ LagosShia is scared of losing muslim brothers even when there is no threat speech yet. Dont do to others what you wouldn't like others to do to you. Orishejafor has made a good step, I hope boko will cease and that we will hear no more bomb blast in Nigeria or else, let them think they can be supplying allah any more innocent blood. They also will visit allah. Blood socking three godesses doctrine.

plappville:



@ LagosShia is scared of losing muslim brothers even when there is no threat speech yet. Dont do to others what you wouldn't like others to do to you. Orishejafor has made a good step, I hope boko will cease and that we will hear no more bomb blast in Nigeria or else, let them think they can be supplying allah any more innocent blood. They also will visit allah. Blood socking three godesses doctrine.

you are being foolish.you undoubtedly live in france as you claim so you dont feel the insecurity.

i do not support boko haram.and i want to see an end to it so that fools like yourself wont have the chance to attack us with boko haram and their argument.what Oritsejafor did would only embolden extremists and give boko haram more zeal to target innocent christians and cause more bloodshed and division.Oritsejafor is living in the comfort of his secured home with private jets.he is using boko haram to fool you foolish sheep.when anything happens he would be first to run for his life.dont be foolish.

LagosShia:

you are being foolish.you undoubtedly live in france as you claim so you dont feel the insecurity.

i do not support boko haram.and i want to see an end to it so that fools like yourself wont have the chance to attack us with boko haram and their argument.what [b]Oritsejafor did would only embolden extremists and give boko haram more zeal to target innocent christians [/b]and cause more bloodshed and division.Oritsejafor is living in the comfort of his secured home with private jets.he is using boko haram to fool you foolish sheep.when anything happens he would be first to run for his life.dont be foolish.

So the Christians that were previewsly killed by boko were not innocent? U can keep pretending that u don't supported their acts, Then u are proving u are not a true Muslim.
As far a the Quran is concern, it supports them to the last.

plappville:

So the Christians that were previewsly killed by boko were not innocent? U can keep pretending that u don't supported their acts, Then u are proving u are not a true Muslim.
As far a the Quran is concern, it supports them to the last.

ashawo,dont teach me my religion.

so the animals the Benin that burnt a mosque and the savages in adamawa who attacked innocent muslims in their village are carrying the command of Jesus? please clarify.you are a true christian,aren't you?

^^^

Very good example of a brain washed Boko Haram terrorist !!

frosbel:

^^^

Very good example of a brain washed Boko Haram terrorist !!

fool!

if i were you by now,i would use a blanket to hide your ugly face and use a niddle to stitch your mouth and a rope to tie your hands.you stink on nairaland!

LagosShia:

[b]ashawo,[/b]dont teach me my religion.

so the animals the Benin that burnt a mosque and the savages in adamawa who attacked innocent muslims in their village are carrying the command of Jesus? please clarify.you are a true christian,aren't you?

The bold is for ur wife or sister i supossed? well ur poisonous tongue may lead u to distroying ur soul if u are not careful. If u can be insulting someones wife because of fabricated allah then u will do more than the BOKO if u see me face to face.

U complain of the Benin's recent action abi? Are u pretending of not knowing the trace of their anger? U muslims like to cry when hurted, but forget others feel same pains when u hurt them. I will repeat it, Muslims should not do to others what they wouldn't like others to do to them. Muslim have been taking the advantages because Christ does not teach retaliation or else, U Lagosshia wont be here making loud noise. Those people dealing with Muslim are angry militants that lost their relatives that went for youth service in the North.