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Lucifyre:
You seriously went to cite creation story as evidence when the babel story is there. Silly anachronism, cite referrals to the tower of babel story pls. If you had a clue it would have been even better to cite the "populate the earth" command to Noah, as Babel happened after the flood.😄 Verse 4 never said they had built the city, they were building, clearly in the process of doing both. How can people who just migrated be in their comfort zone, when they've not even set up @ their new location 😁. Negotiation upon renegotiation. Besides since when is a small part of mesopotamia the whole world, cause gen 10 lists where they spread to.

Well, that's one way to look at it.
Irrespective, when they were building the intention for this was to dwell there!!!

Hence sooner or later it will be their comfort zone!!!

Why God acted preemptively was not fully exemplified but we know that a possible reason was to spread them across the surface of the earth!

You can disprove me by showing me a monument or city that people built but didn't intend to use!!!

Or do you build an house and not stay there in?
Or a tower without the intent of striving there?

Gabrielshow24:
It's a nice way to see it.
But you failed to see the essence of the narration, it was to list out the genealogy of Noah's children hence anything that happened in between was not relevant to the listing(enumeration)!!!

Or will you add additional stories when you are exemplifying a tree like listing?

Hence the major reason, he gave the cause of the division of languages in the next chapter and he even further elucidated the families once more!!

Hence we don't know for sure on whose heads the splitting started from!!!

But one thing we do know is the result - the nations.

Also there has never been scientific evidence of children speaking language which they are not exposed to.

Hence they must have spoken the same language from the start!!!

Stop with this your agenda.
Be honest for once!!!

If you can bring out evidence of where a child spoke Chinese when he/she wasn't exposed to it at all!!!

Or when you were growing up did you suddenly start speaking English?
Didn't you get acquainted with it?

Hence science at best can only explain accents(slight variations) not diversity of languages!!!

So in other words I got nothing so i just jinned up a scenario to reconcile the contradictions while renegotiating the texts. Perfectly normal for you guys. What does children speaking languages they haven't been exposed to have to do with anything, are u serious 🤣 Jesu, science can only explain accents and can't explain the diversity. Wow. Ignorant as Bleep, do you read?!. Anyways the best cure for ignorance is education. You need to educate yourself. Damn! The Power of Babel: A Natural History of Language – John McWhorter. Start with that to educate ursellf abeg. wtf!

Gabrielshow24:
Well, that's one way to look at it.
Irrespective, when they were building the intention for this was to dwell there!!!

Hence sooner or later it will be their comfort zone!!!

Why God acted preemptively was not fully exemplified but we know that a possible reason was to spread them across the surface of the earth!

You can disprove me by showing me a monument or city that people built but didn't intend to use!!!

Or do you build an house and not stay there in?
Or a tower without the intent of striving there?

So it wasnt their comfort zone at the time, which is it?! 😁 In other words like i already stated, you don't like what it states in verse 5, so you jinn up a new scenario😂 Thank you.

Lucifyre:
So in other words I got nothing so i just jinned up a scenario to reconcile the contradictions while renegotiating the texts. Perfectly normal for you guys. What does children speaking languages they haven't been exposed to have to do with anything, are u serious 🤣 Jesu, science can only explain accents and can't explain the diversity. Wow. Ignorant as Bleep, do you read?!. Anyways the best cure for ignorance is education. You need to educate yourself. Damn! The Power of Babel: A Natural History of Language – John McWhorter. Start with that to educate ursellf abeg. wtf!

Properly, I didn't phrase it well.
I meant the origination of distinct languages.
They are just posits!!!

Although there are experiments done by scientists that aim to show how words(language) change over time!!!

The fact still remains, how did this much variant come to be?

Also, I am using the scenario of children picking up on only languages they are exposed to as a counter proposition!!!

Hence the children of ammon will pick up solely on the language of their Father ammon!!!

Hence how then did the ammonite tongue come into existence?

Am not saying it's not plausible that some modified theirs based on some yardstick or the aspect of language that allows it to be formulated? 🤨

What am saying is that God gave them diverse tongues and from them other variants came into existence based on speech defects, pronunciation, assimilation etc

So far you haven't proved me wrong!!!
Science follows patterns and from this patterns we make laws or draw correlations!

So far there is no single evidence to suggest children gain language skill they are not exposed to😂😂😂.

If you have kindly provide!!!

Lucifyre:
So it wasnt their comfort zone at the time, which is it?! 😁 In other words like i already stated, you don't like what it states in verse 5, so you jinn up a new scenario😂 Thank you.

Why not answer the intent basis for building an house? 🤨

Instead of rigmaroling, the people of nairaland will like to know why men build houses, cities and towers? 😂😂😂

Gabrielshow24:
Properly, I didn't phrase it well.
I meant the origination of distinct languages.
They are just posits!!!

Although there are experiments done by scientists that aim to show how words(language) change over time!!!

The fact still remains, how did this much variant come to be?

Also, I am using the scenario of children picking up on only languages they are exposed to as a counter proposition!!!

Hence the children of ammon will pick up solely on the language of their Father ammon!!!

Hence how then did the ammonite tongue come into existence?

Am not saying it's not plausible that some modified theirs based on some yardstick or the aspect of language that allows it to be formulated? 🤨

What am saying is that God gave them diverse tongues and from them other variants came into existence based on speech defects, pronunciation, assimilation etc

So far you haven't proved me wrong!!!
Science follows patterns and from this patterns we make laws or draw correlations!

So far there is no single evidence to suggest children gain language skill they are not exposed to😂😂😂.

If you have kindly provide!!!

And there is evidence it started from the tower of babel?! wtf!

I will really like to see, why ancient men built houses and then migrate from there😂😂😂?

Maybe you had in mind Escobar that had hundreds of houses and didn't live in them 😂😂😂 moving from one place to another(obviously fleeing from the DEA)😂😂😂.

come of it, Escobar was in the modern era.
Give me an example of ancient civilizations that built cities only to migrate elsewhere 🤨.

Except if they were on a conquest 🤔 of some sorts but the context of the bible negates that.

Lucifyre:
And there is evidence it started from the tower of babel?! wtf!

It's a biblical claim🤨

Do you have a better theory?

Gabrielshow24:
It's a biblical claim🤨

Do you have a better theory?

So a baseless claim without evidence and what evidence we have contradicts it. Na wa. Educate urself with the source i already gave you and let ignorance die.

[quote author=Gabrielshow24 post=134566841]Why not answer the intent basis for building an house? 🤨

Instead of rigmaroling, the people of nairaland will like to know why men build houses, cities and towers? 😂😂😂[/quote

"They didn't want to leave their comfort zones".

"sooner or later it will be their comfort zone!!!"

So it wasn't thier comfort zone at the time, which is it😁?!

Lucifyre:
So a baseless claim without evidence and what evidence we have xontradicts it. Na wa. Educate urself with the source i already gave you and let ignorance die.

Show me the evidence you have? 🤨

And let's see whether it's a baseless claim indeed.

After all it's innocent until proven guilty!!!

[quote author=Lucifyre post=134567093][/quote]You can do better as to phrase this properly 🤔!!!

We all like to know👀

StillDtruth:
Is that how illiterate you are? You never heard of Suez Canal crossings? How do you think people are japaing to Europe from Benin city? Or the point Djibouti close to Mazikhandar.

So a caveman boat traveled long distance over the canal to Africa and settled here from Middle East and they never wrote those histories or pass down the histories for we Africans until we were colonized and get anothwr history given to us? Your mid brain must be sick of hay fever.

Gabrielshow24:
Show me the evidence you have? 🤨

And let's see whether it's a baseless claim indeed.

After all it's innocent until proven guilty!!!

Do you guys think at all. I should provide evidence to counter a claim you made that has not even been demonstrated to be factual. Think nau.

Lucifyre:
Do you guys think at all. I should provide evidence to counter a claim you made that has not even been demonstrated to be factual. Think nau.

You said our claim is not factual.

Now bring out your own supposed factual proposition!!!

Now you are calling me a fool for asking? 🤨

You dismissed something as wrong, now show us what's right🤔.

If you don't have then you will do so well as to educate yourself!

geoworldedu:
So a caveman boat traveled long distance over the canal to Africa and settled here from Middle East and they never wrote those histories or pass down the histories for we Africans until we were colonized and get anothwr history given to us? Your mid brain must be sick of hay fever.

Was it written that it happened there immediately?

🤔Or are you this ignorant?
It's like you are insinuating that mankind suddenly made nuclear weapons!!!

Did wisdom not tell you there's a process involved?

And you arguing that because of the absence of evidence that the claim is false?🤨

Are you sure you are intelligible?

I don't understand these guys,
One is saying something is wrong without bringing out what is factually right🤔 while the other thinks cavemen travelled to the moon? 🤕

Gabrielshow24:
You said our claim is not factual.

Now bring out your own supposed factual proposition!!!

Now you are calling me a fool for asking? 🤨

You dismissed something as wrong, now show us what's right🤔.

If you don't have then you will do so well as to educate yourself!

Extra ordinary claims asserted without evidence can be just as easily dismissed without evidence. It's common sense. But still i recommended you a book, its words on pages, it doesn't bite, read it and educate urself. Quite simple really.

Gabrielshow24:
I don't understand these guys,
One is saying something is wrong without bringing out what is factually right🤔 while the other thinks cavemen travelled to the moon? 🤕

Can you prove to me singing didn't begin from the farts of tiny female pixies??

Lucifyre:
Extra ordinary claims asserted without evidence can be just as easily dismissed without evidence. It's common sense. But still i recommended you a book, its words on pages, it doesn't bite, read it and educate urself. Quite simple really.

I don't need to read the book, I can tell you for sure that his posits will fall short!!!

It won't fit all
When that happens what evidence again will you allude to🤔

Will you wait until you have the "proper frameworks" to continue!!!

You didn't dismiss it, you just made your sentimental posits.

You would have done so well if you had brought "scientific approved" laws for the diversification of languages🤔but you didn't.

Hence kindly tell us what is right?
What's the scientifically accepted theory to explain this?

And is the above implausible?

Lucifyre:
Can you prove to me singing didn't begin from the farts of tiny female pixies??

You and this your fallacy of hypocrisy 🤣🤣.
It won't help you!

Provide proof!!!

Gabrielshow24:
^{I don't need to read the book, I can tell you for sure that his posits will fall short!!!}

It won't fit all
When that happens what evidence again will you allude to🤔

Will you wait until you have the "proper frameworks" to continue!!!

You didn't dismiss it, you just made your sentimental posits.

You would have done so well if you had brought "scientific approved" laws for the diversification of languages🤔but you didn't.

Hence kindly tell us what is right?
What's the scientifically accepted theory to explain this?

And is the above implausible?

The bolded just describes theists in a nutshell😄 Confident and ignorant throwing baseless claims around. Its the same with bible, they won't even read the book and its context, yet claim their lives depend on it. It's why a grown adult in this info age, still says Moses wrote the torah. Dude never change.

Gabrielshow24:
You and this your fallacy of hypocrisy 🤣🤣.
It won't help you!

Provide proof!!!

I'm pointing out the stupidity but that's flying over your head, seems the razor i quoted flew over your head too. Smart guy.

Lucifyre:
The bolded just describes theists in a nutshell😄 Confident and ignorant throwing baseless claims around. Its the same with bible, they won't even read the book and its context, yet claim their lives depend on it. It's why a grown adult in this info age, still says Moses wrote the torah. Dude never change.

If it's a baseless claim, then do so well to counter with facts!!!

So far you have provided none!!!
As a best bet, you are relying on the fallacy of hypocrisy 🤣🤣🤣!!!

Is this the wisdom of atheists? 🤨

Lucifyre:
Can you prove to me singing didn't begin from the farts of tiny female pixies??

Singing is not only limited to pixies.
It's found in nature🤔.

Pixies by the way are mythical creatures that love to "dance" to the tune of frogs and crickets.
Although some cultures have differing portrayals of them, none so far recorded whether or not they could fart.

But since the question is regards origination!
We will look for the oldest occurrence of such(singing) until then "it's innocent until proven guilty"!!!

Also, Angels are also known to be "singing" although no empirical proof as at now🤨 but it's documented in scripture!

And the oldest physical occurrence will most likely be found in early ancestors of birds or as an absolute form in the underlying "creator" that supposedly made them!!!

Lucifyre:
So a baseless claim without evidence and what evidence we have contradicts it. Na wa. Educate urself with the source i already gave you and let ignorance die.

Am still waiting for this your "evidence" 🤣🤣🤣.

Let's us see it🤔 now.
Are you shy that we will dissect it🤨?

Or are you afraid that we will poke holes into it?

It's very easy to poke holes into things. 🤣🤣🤣

Gabrielshow24:
If it's a baseless claim, then do so well to counter with facts!!!

So far you have provided none!!!
As a best bet, you are relying on the fallacy of hypocrisy 🤣🤣🤣!!!

Is this the wisdom of atheists? 🤨

Fallacy of hypocrisy😂 i remember you now, you're the dude who uses words he barely understands their meaning, been wondering. Why not, when you won't read. Anyways for the last time since common sense isnt common let me beat it over your head. You don't prove a negative 😂 , common sense 101, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, common sense 202 and lastly that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, common sense 303, all beautiful razors. If not you can try your smart hands on my pixie claim. You won't?! Thought as much. Nice job skipping questions btw, can't imagine answering them helps out.

Gabrielshow24:
Singing is not only limited to pixies.
It's found in nature🤔.

Pixies by the way are mythical creatures that love to "dance" to the tune of frogs and crickets.
Although some cultures have differing portrayals of them, none so far recorded whether or not they could fart.

But since the question is regards origination!
We will look for the oldest occurrence of such(singing) until then "it's innocent until proven guilty"!!!

Also, Angels are also known to be "singing" although no empirical proof as at now🤨 but it's documented in scripture!

And the oldest physical occurrence will most likely be found in early ancestors of birds or as an absolute form in the underlying "creator" that supposedly made them!!!

Dude no offense but you're daft🤣🤣🤣 Jesus you went ahead. Where's the proof pixies even exist?? wtf!

Lucifyre:
Fallacy of hypocrisy😂 i remember you now, you're the dude who uses words he barely understands their meaning, been wondering. Why not, when you won't read. Anyways for the last time since common sense isnt common let me beat it over your head. You don't prove a negative 😂 , common sense 101, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, common sense 202 and lastly that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, common sense 303, all beautiful razors. If not you can try your smart hands on my pixie claim. You won't?! Thought as much. Nice job skipping questions btw, can't imagine answering them helps out.

No one is disputing whatsoever you have written up there.

The fact lies that the biblical claim has an evidence (some allusions to it)🤨

Hence disproving it requires you to counter its claim!!!

Lucifyre:
Dude no offense but you're daft🤣🤣🤣 Jesus you went ahead. Where's the proof pixies even exist?? wtf!

There's no empirical proof, like I said they are mythical creatures.

What I sought to prove was the oldest occurrence of "singing" once found it will be sufficient to dismiss your allusions!!!

Gabrielshow24:
No one is disputing whatsoever you have written up there.

The fact lies that the biblical claim has an evidence (some allusions to it)🤨

Hence disproving it requires you to counter its claim!!!

Where's the evidence??

Lucifyre:
Where's the evidence??

There is historical evidence🤔.
Historical evidences that seem to back the bible's claim!!!

But it doesn't empirically substantiate the existence or diversification of languages!!!