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Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 8:56am On Mar 20, 2025
RightChannel:
Actually I wanted to make it easy for you but you wish to make it hard for yourself!

The story of Eesa conceptual from virgin's womb till when he was a cradle was copied from where?

Had it been Muhammad and allah get sense, they won't copy a story from another source to formulate what you called quran!
Can you you show us how the conception was copied (not Conceptual - Half baked English)?
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by RightChannel: 10:24am On Mar 20, 2025
Antichristian2:
Can you you show us how the conception was copied (not Conceptual - Half baked English)?
Your brain ought to tell you that I'm talking of conceptual context of pregnancy!

The story of Eesa that was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of a virgin named Mary, etc was copied from where?
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 10:29am On Mar 20, 2025
RightChannel:
Your brain ought to tell you that I'm talking of conceptual context of pregnancy!

The story of Eesa that was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of a virgin named Mary, etc was copied from where?
I thought you don get sense!
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by RightChannel: 10:35am On Mar 20, 2025
Antichristian2:
I thought you don get sense!
Muhammad and allah are senseless for plagiarized a story from another source to formed what you called quran but you slave defending it here is so silly failing to acknowledged to the fact that the story of Eesa was copied from somewhere!
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by SIRTee15: 4:05pm On Mar 20, 2025
Antichristian2:
Alhamdulillah you know your argument is useless!
You can't be a son and a slave at the same time.
End of discussion
Antichristian2:
No son worships his father!
The Father also worship the Son.
The Father called his Son God.
Both are divine
Antichristian2:
No son will obey the father 100% including killing himself on his order!
Well if U saying Allah isn't 100% perfect then his Son has every right to disobey him.
Antichristian2:
No son will thrash his will completely for his father's!
Again if Allah's will is imperfect, his Son has every right to follow his own will.
Antichristian2:
Are U saying the will of Jesus isn't perfect.
Jesus adopted the will of his Father. He felt no need to have another will because the will of the Father is perfect for him.
Antichristian2:
God created us all and everyone is His slave!
Allah says what means:
There is none in the heavens and the earth but comes unto the Most Beneficent (Allah) as a slave. (Qur'an - Maryam 19:93)
Muhammed said that. No previous scriptures called creation slaves. It makes no sense.

JESUS NEVER CALLED HIMSELF A SLAVE.
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Kobojunkie:
Antichristian2:
➜Alhamdulillah you know your argument is useless! You can't be a son and a slave at the same time. No son worships his father! No son will obey the father 100% including killing himself on his order! No son will thrash his will completely for his father's! God created us all and everyone is His slave! Allah says what means: There is none in the heavens and the earth but comes unto the Most Beneficent (Allah) as a slave. (Qur'an - Maryam 19:93)
That rhetoric works for the Muslims but it does not work for the Grecians whose Almighty is Zeus — he has lots of daughters and sons—, and it does not work with the disciples of Olodumare, Sango, Obatala,... and the other almost 4000 other deities out there worshipped in many other parts of the world. Rather, than this need to possess all humans against their will, mind you, why not realize that Allah is equally a tribal deity like all the others are? After all, Allah's idea only seems to work well for those who cling to the Arab language; and the thousands of other religions out there don't seem to matter. undecided
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Gabrielshow24: 4:54pm On Mar 20, 2025
Antichristian2:
Where is the story of Eesa talking from the cradle copied from?

Where is the story of Eesa turning moulded clay bird to live ones copied from?
Infancy gospel of Thomas.

Something church Fathers as early as the fourth century rejected as being fictional and heretical but your dimwitted prophet took as "scripture" 🤣🤣🤣

Allah couldn't tell him otherwise!!!
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 5:10pm On Mar 20, 2025
SIRTee15:
End of discussion

The Father also worship the Son.
Show your working clearly! Where did the father put his head on the floor for the son?
The Father called his Son God.
Show your workings clearly! Not one obsure verse from Isaiah o!
Both are divine
Show your working clearly! Jesus was human!

Well if U saying Allah isn't 100% perfect then his Son has every right to disobey him. Again if Allah's will is imperfect, his Son has every right to follow his own will.
Allah is not a father. He never for once claim to be. We do not worship our father. Our father will also not send us to die!

Jesus adopted the will of his Father. He felt no need to have another will because the will of the Father is perfect for him.
Yes, that's why we say he's a slave of the one he adopted his will. That's how a slave does!

Muhammed said that. No previous scriptures called creation slaves. It makes no sense.
No, Allah said that. And it makes a lot of sense. The one you worship can't be your father but your Creator and God. You can only be a slave to God by worshipping Him.

JESUS NEVER CALLED HIMSELF A SLAVE.
He said that in the Qur'an.

After he had dismissed them, he went up on a mountainside by himself to pray. Later that night, he was there alone. Matthew 14:23

It is a slave that prays like this never a son! A son just simply makes requests from his father. Even the father knows most of his needs and just gives him.

Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.” Matthew 26:39
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 5:13pm On Mar 20, 2025
Kobojunkie:
That rhetoric works for the Muslims but it does not work for the Grecians whose Almighty is Zeus — he has lots of daughters and sons—, and it does not work with the disciples of Olodumare, Sango, Obatala,... and the other almost 4000 other deities out there worshipped in many other parts of the world. Rather, than this need to possess all humans against their will, mind you, why not realize that Allah is equally a tribal deity like all the others are? After all, Allah's idea only seems to work well for those who cling to the Arab language; and the thousands of other religions out there don't seem to matter. undecided
It does work for everyone!

Allah is Ar-Rahman - He blesses everyone according to His will. He doesn't look at your religion before giving you wealth or other earthly goodies! Even your prayers may be answered!
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Kobojunkie: 5:19pm On Mar 20, 2025
Antichristian2:
➜It does work for everyone!
➜ Allah is Ar-Rahman
➜ He blesses everyone according to His will. He doesn't look at your religion before giving you wealth or other earthly goodies! Even your prayers may be answered!
It can't given the details contained in the Quran as revealed by Mohammed himself. undecided

Those are mere words. Even the Grecians had their own rhetorics of the sort but when you come down to it, you find that their deities are really tribal. undecided

3. If this were indeed true, why are his followers always looking to conquer, to overrule, other religions, gods, and faiths beginning with the very first one of them, Mohammed himself? huh
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Gabrielshow24: 6:39pm On Mar 20, 2025
RightChannel:
Your brain ought to tell you that I'm talking of conceptual context of pregnancy!

The story of Eesa that was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of a virgin named Mary, etc was copied from where?
All the stories they copied from other sources always seem off.
It wasn't exact but ludicrous at best.

Look at the Quranic explanation of Jesus' birth😂😂😂
Or the story of Moses chasing his "towel" 👀 among others.

The Quran even said that "others" perceived Muhammad was just writing down fairy tales and had them recited to him!!! 🤣🤣🤣

He don tey when people don sabi say Muhammad na fraud!!!

Also reminds of me the rhetoric against Mohammed: Prophets don't come with swords!!! 🙃
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by RightChannel: 10:44pm On Mar 20, 2025
Antichristian2 are you with us?
Gabrielshow24:
All the stories they copied from other sources always seem off.
It wasn't exact but ludicrous at best.

Look at the Quranic explanation of Jesus' birth😂😂😂
Or the story of Moses chasing his "towel" 👀 among others.

The Quran even said that "others" perceived Muhammad was just writing down fairy tales and had them recited to him!!! 🤣🤣🤣

He don tey when people don sabi say Muhammad na fraud!!!

Also reminds of me the rhetoric against Mohammed: Prophets don't come with swords!!! 🙃
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by MightySparrow: 7:25am On Mar 21, 2025
RightChannel:
Antichristian2 are you with us?
There is nothing original about Mohammed except his lies.
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by MightySparrow: 7:28am On Mar 21, 2025
Antichristian2:
Can you you show us how the conception was copied (not Conceptual - Half baked English)?
Where was Mohammed when Jesus was born?

Who was Waraqa?
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by MightySparrow: 7:44am On Mar 21, 2025
AntlisIaam:
Muhammad in quran said he was nothing but fake
The dirtiest prophet the world has ever known.

His message destroys everything in every place it goes: Egypt, Babylon, Persia, the once leading people in science, philosophy, administration are now reduced to terrorism. There were centres of civilization and learning. No professors in these countries are adding anything to knowledge again. In the field of science they once championed, no one has been able to get a Nobel prize but Christians and Jews advancing knowledge and quality of life.
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 9:12am On Mar 21, 2025
MightySparrow:
Where was Mohammed when Jesus was born?
Where were you when your dad was born? Same place!

Who was Waraqa?
He is the first cousin of the wife of the Prophet by the name Khadijah bint Khuwaylid!
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 9:13am On Mar 21, 2025
MightySparrow:
There is nothing original about Mohammed except his lies.
What's original about you if not lies?
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 9:16am On Mar 21, 2025
RightChannel:
Antichristian2 are you with us?
Of course i am with you!

The story of your God getting 32 virgins-girls and babies from war booty still remains fresh! Their families were killed even the old women and young boys!

Another story is where rebellious and stubborn children will have to be stoned to death! You would have been stoned had it been you were in Israel back then cos i know your parents won't tolerate you!
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by MightySparrow: 9:27am On Mar 21, 2025
Antichristian2:
Where were you when your dad was born? Same place!

He is the first cousin of the wife of the Prophet by the name Khadijah bint Khuwaylid!
Tell us more about him and Mohammed's revelations.
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 9:30am On Mar 21, 2025
MightySparrow:
Tell us more about him and Mohammed's revelations.
He was a learned Christian, well-versed in the scriptures and known for his asceticism. When Muhammad received his first revelation from the Angel Gabriel, he was confused and frightened. Khadijah took him to Waraqah, who recognized Muhammad's prophetic status, confirming that he was a prophet like those before him. This validation was crucial for Muhammad during a time of uncertainty.

Although Waraqah died shortly after Muhammad began receiving revelations, his support and recognition of Muhammad's prophethood were instrumental in the early acceptance of Islam. His story highlights the intersection of early Christianity and the nascent Islamic faith, making him a significant figure in the history of both religions.

He is said to have died in 610CE shortly after Muhammad began receiving revelations. His death occurred during a period when Muhammad was still grappling with his new role as a prophet
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Gabrielshow24: 9:31am On Mar 21, 2025
MightySparrow:
Where was Mohammed when Jesus was born?

Who was Waraqa?
Waraqa the misinformed Arian monk😂😂😂.

He won't tell you about him🙃.
He definitely knows the conclusion you will arrive at🙃.
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by MightySparrow: 9:32am On Mar 21, 2025
Antichristian2:
He was a learned Christian, well-versed in the scriptures and known for his asceticism. When Muhammad received his first revelation from the Angel Gabriel, he was confused and frightened. Khadijah took him to Waraqah, who recognized Muhammad's prophetic status, confirming that he was a prophet like those before him. This validation was crucial for Muhammad during a time of uncertainty.

Although Waraqah died shortly after Muhammad began receiving revelations, his support and recognition of Muhammad's prophethood were instrumental in the early acceptance of Islam. His story highlights the intersection of early Christianity and the nascent Islamic faith, making him a significant figure in the history of both religions.

He is said to have died in 610CE shortly after Muhammad began receiving revelations. His death occurred during a period when Muhammad was still grappling with his new role as a prophet
See lies of lielam.grin
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Gabrielshow24: 9:45am On Mar 21, 2025
Antichristian2:
Of course i am with you!

The story of your God getting 32 virgins-girls and babies from war booty still remains fresh! Their families were killed even the old women and young boys!

Another story is where rebellious and stubborn children will have to be stoned to death! You would have been stoned had it been you were in Israel back then cos i know your parents won't tolerate you!
Are those virgin girls the best of mankind?🤨
Hence we have no business with them but with your prophet!!!!

To further note, your Allah is rather narcissistic!
Why blame us christians for believing a lie?
When your Allah performed mangekyo sharingan in order to take Jesus to heaven? - Crucifixion
Why also blame the christians for believing in the resurrection when the same Allah allowed Jesus to appear to his disciples? 🤔—Resurrection

Why also blame christians who believe in the deity of Christ when Allah turned a blind eye to Jesus' exhibition of his attributes? — Deism of Christ

Allah made man from clay; Jesus made sparrows from clay🤨

Do you see where am driving at with this?
Your Allah, not surprised, is the best of Deceivers👀!
And to cap it off, Allah allowed the supposed "false followers" of Jesus to be the dominant ones and did nothing to correct it🤔!!!

He waited for half a millennium before he finally sent the " runt of mankind"🤨.

Of all people he could have sent, he decided to send a pedophile, necrophile and thief(Red pant incident) among other things.

Now to make matters worst, instead of outrightly convincing the people before that they have the wrong understanding of the circumstances of Jesus, he rather affirms the gospel🤕.

If the "gospel" was fake why then will he still use the same term "gospel" to describe the message of Jesus🤨

Is it that Allah doesn't know too many words?
Instead of clarification, he still encouraged by saying "we gave Jesus the gospel" 🤕

Furthermore Allah doesn't even know what the spirit is, alluding that Jesus was given "our spirit" 👀 is at best a cleverly invented lie!!!

Your god is the best of Deceivers!!!
Satan pales greatly in comparison 😁

Allahu Akbar🤤
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op):
MightySparrow:
See lies of lielam.grin
If na lie bring your truth with evidence!

Christ-lie!
Christians-Lie!

Mightysparrow-lie!
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by RightChannel: 10:23am On Mar 21, 2025
Antichristian2:
Of course i am with you!

The story of your God getting 32 virgins-girls and babies from war booty still remains fresh! Their families were killed even the old women and young boys!

Another story is where rebellious and stubborn children will have to be stoned to death! You would have been stoned had it been you were in Israel back then cos i know your parents won't tolerate you!
Are you trying to shift the goal post? We aren't discussing about 72 virgins in aljanat yet!


The story of Eesa that was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of a virgin named Mary, etc was copied from where to formed quran?
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by RightChannel: 10:25am On Mar 21, 2025
MightySparrow:
There is nothing original about Mohammed except his lies.
Even his books, quran and hadith are fake!
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 10:29am On Mar 21, 2025
RightChannel:
Are you trying to shift the goal post? We aren't discussing about 72 virgins in aljanat yet!


The story of Eesa that was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of a virgin named Mary, etc was copied from where to formed quran?
You mean the story that includes Jesus is the slave of Allah in Surah Maryam 19: 30?

It was revealed by Allah.
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by MightySparrow: 11:12am On Mar 21, 2025
Antichristian2:
If na lie bring your truth with evidence!

Christ-lie!
Christians-Lie!

Mightysparrow-lie!
Have you considered this topic?

https://www.nairaland.com/8375688/voice-islam-yoruba-land
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 11:28am On Mar 21, 2025
MightySparrow:
Have you considered this topic?

https://www.nairaland.com/8375688/voice-islam-yoruba-land
Topic of lies as usual.

I no get time to waste watching video abunu!
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by RightChannel: 11:31am On Mar 21, 2025
Antichristian2:
You mean the story that includes Jesus is the slave of Allah in Surah Maryam 19: 30?

It was revealed by Allah.
Firstly answer this,
The story of Eesa that was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of a virgin named Mary, etc was copied from where to formed quran?
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