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MaxInDHouse:
God is Holy this means He is incapable of evil thoughts all His ways are good so when He gave life to creatures He never thought any could be an ingrate as the first creature He made was really friendly and full of appreciation {Proverbs 8:22-31} as happy as God is He decided to create more but this time around He wanted His FIRSTBORN child to be happy too so He empower this son to create all other creatures {Colossians 1:15} God is always happy {1Timothy 1:11} but will working beside His father in creating other creatures make the child happy too?
Well God told His FIRSTBORN child that whatever he is able to create with the support God gives all belongs to this child {Colossians 1:16} so the son jumped into action but something happened along the way the first creatures God's firstborn son created were spirit creatures just like himself so they all respected him as the number one or archangel while he humbly makes all of them feel important telling them all glory and honour belongs to his father who is their father too.
Well one of the first spirit creatures feels he should be in a position better than what he is presently {Isaiah 14:13} God is the only one who knows the right person to give such authority to {Revelations 4:11} and His firstborn son wants to win his father's approval not as the firstborn but earn it in unique way.
So this spirit creature became so envious that he began scheming ways to gain dominance over other creatures that is how evil began and if you carefully watch what has been happening throughout history you will find out that those who wants to rule over others often becomes vicious in all their dealings. John 8:44
The Bible is all about how evil began and how it's going to end only two persons are certain to know these: Almighty God and His only begotten son because it's only these two that knows the beginning of evil as they both created all other creatures among whom a rebel emerged.
That's why both the father and His firstborn son keep saying they know the beginning and the end, the beginning and end of what?
Badness!

May you have peace!

Your rather childish thesis does not answer the question of the topic: WHY? Why does God allow evil to exist?
Also, does God have a wife to be birthing sons? If not, HOW?
Also, God (as defined in English) is the ONLY entity that created. Matter can neither be created nor destroyed except by ONLY God (it only changes form). As Said in Gen 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." GOD! Not anybody else!
Angels didn't create, they were created! ANY entity that created was God!

Collossians 1:16 - "For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him"
John 1:3 "Through him all things were made, and without him nothing was made that has been made"

Kobojunkie:
LOL... the problem with a lot of you is that your ideas of what is written comes, not from what is in fact written but the fables you have gobbled up from the mouths of those you have set as gods over your lives. 🙄🙄🙄🙄
Here's a simple quiz for you.

From your above passage, is it your understanding that
⚉ Jesus Christ of Israel eventually gave to the woman — a self-described dog — the children's bread.
⚉ Jesus Christ of Israel instead gave the woman the pieces of food that fell from the master's table as she had clarified from her explanation that she was in fact seeking to obtain from Jesus Christ of Israel.
⚉ Jesus Christ of Israel prevaricated when He claimed that He was sent by YHWH only to the Lost Sheep of Israel—a response which He gave directly to His followers—, and did Jesus Christ of Israel falsely claim that it was not right to give the children's bread to the dogs.

Kobo.Junkie , Don't Stress yourself furthermore. No one Cometh Unto the Father Except through Him . JESUS CHRIST is the Way and the Truth. He is sent to the Whole World Not only to the ISRAELITES. That is My Stand.I have heard yours.

Don't bother to Type Lengthy Stories Anymore , I'm Not interested. I respect your Stand too.

Thanks.

DaddyCoool:
John 1:3 "Through him all things were made, and without him nothing was made that has been made"

Did he created any being to cause harm?

MaxInDHouse:
Did he created any being to cause harm?

The issue is not the creation, the issue is that it's been ALLOWED to continue

DaddyCoool:
The issue is not the creation, the issue is that it's been ALLOWED to continue.

It must be allowed for a sound reason!

MaxInDHouse:
It must be allowed for a sound reason!

That's the purpose of this thread: WHY? Not somewhat childishly beating about the bush with ridiculous narrations (to make his first-born, the chief angel, feel good, he told him to create anything he wished!😅)

DaddyCoool:
That's the purpose of this thread: WHY?

God wants the matter settled once and for all time so that whoever lives on this planet after the issue is resolved will know what to tell coming generations why it's evil to think of independence from God's rulership.
All the troubles on this planet is coming from this same source as humans wants to rule over themselves independently of God's guidance.
According to the Bible Adam and Eve wanted to become like gods for anyone who is coming to live on this planet after them but at the same time they wanted absolute freedom from God.
That is the root cause of all the atrocities ever committed on this planet.
So God decided to PERMIT HUMAN RULE for thousands of years so that we may all come to the conclusion that humans can't rule humans successfully because there is no single person who can succeed in directing his own life talkless of directing millions! Jeremiah 10:23
But despite all the troubles majority are still clamoring for human government!
How?
They join hands in building destructive weapons, they set up different systems of rule and continue voting for humans anticipating a better life under humans like them! Psalms 146:3-4
If God had stepped in to end this thing without giving humans enough time it will still generate again so the approach He is using is the best way forward.
Many have lived and died on this planet God promised to raise them back to life whether they know Him or worship other gods all He wants from them is a sincere heart but those who deliberately chose to be evil will never be remembered they will be forgotten in their graves! Psalms 9:17
So the time allowed for human rulership is very very necessary by the time God brings destruction upon all human government {Daniel 2:44} all those living by the time will say "YES, they have made us suffer under their useless styles of rule"

MaxInDHouse:
God wants the matter settled once and for all time so that whoever lives on this planet after the issue is resolved will know what to tell coming generations why it's evil to think of independence from God's rulership.
All the troubles on this planet is coming from this same source as humans wants to rule over themselves independently of God's guidance.
According to the Bible Adam and Eve wanted to become like gods for anyone who is coming to live on this planet after them but at the same time they wanted absolute freedom from God.
That is the root cause of all the atrocities ever committed on this planet.
So God decided to PERMIT HUMAN RULE for thousands of years so that we may all come to the conclusion that humans can't rule humans successfully because there is no single person who can succeed in directing his own life talkless of directing millions! Jeremiah 10:23
But despite all the troubles majority are still clamoring for human government!
How?
They join hands in building destructive weapons, they set up different systems of rule and continue voting for humans anticipating a better life under humans like them! Psalms 146:3-4
If God had stepped in to end this thing without giving humans enough time it will still generate again so the approach He is using is the best way forward.
Many have lived and died on this planet God promised to raise them back to life whether they know Him or worship other gods all He wants from them is a sincere heart but those who deliberately chose to be evil will never be remembered they will be forgotten in their graves! Psalms 9:17
So the time allowed for human rulership is very very necessary by the time God brings destruction upon all human government {Daniel 2:44} all those living by the time will say "YES, they have made us suffer under their useless styles of rule"

You again talking childish. According to you, God never intended evil but evil appeared. Instead of going back to his original plan of there being no evil (as God would), he changed his plan and started working with evil. Honestly, does that make sense to you??

DaddyCoool:
You again talking childish. According to you, God never intended evil but evil appeared. Instead of going back to his original plan of there being no evil (as God would), he changed his plan and started working with evil. Honestly, does that make sense to you??

It makes perfect sense!
Remember he didn't create us to be like robots that's what making man in his image means, unlike animals that lives on instinct (eat, drink, sleep and mating) humans may decide on their own things they will like to do with their lives apart from necessities so God doesn't deprive us of this but we must not think of setting standards for our fellow humans that is the meaning of the tree of knowledge of good and evil that's in the middle of the garden! Genesis 2:17
There is no defect in God's work {Deuteronomy 32:5} or our formation everything was perfectly made {Genesis 1:31} certain humans have proved to be good inside out which means God didn't do anything wrong.
So since some are doing His will but most feels like doing whatever pleases them then time is needed to allow humankind learn from experience.
What you call "working with evil" is not true God must allow both good ones and bad ones cohabit together so by the time He wipes off the bad ones there will be moral justification for such action.
For your information after God has settled this case whoever tries anything like what brought about all this troubles will not be permitted to continue living in fact such a person will only be allowed to taste life for a hundred years as a youth because then nothing like oldage again then he or she will die {Isaiah 65:20} naturally while others live forever! Psalms 37:29

So patience is required on the part of all faithful people! Psalms 37:7-11

MaxInDHouse:
It makes perfect sense!
Remember he didn't create us to be like robots that's what making man in his image means, unlike animals that lives on instinct (eat, drink, sleep and mating) humans may decide on their own things they will like to do with their lives apart from necessities so God doesn't deprive us of this but we must not think of setting standards for our fellow humans that is the meaning of the tree of knowledge of good and evil that's in the middle of the garden! Genesis 2:17
There is no defect in God's work {Deuteronomy 32:5} or our formation everything was perfectly made {Genesis 1:31} certain humans have proved to be good inside out which means God didn't do anything wrong.
So since some are doing His will but most feels like doing whatever pleases them then time is needed to allow humankind learn from experience.
What you call "working with evil" is not true God must allow both good ones and bad ones cohabit together so by the time He wipes off the bad ones there will be moral justification for such action.
For your information after God has settled this case whoever tries anything like what brought about all this troubles will not be permitted to continue living in fact such a person will only be allowed to taste life for a hundred years as a youth because then nothing like oldage again then he or she will die {Isaiah 65:20} naturally while others live forever! Psalms 37:29

So patience is required on the part of all faithful people! Psalms 37:7-11

It's amazing that an adult actually believes this (but then who am I to say). So you have a computer program and somehow virus enters it. Instead of promptly getting rid of the virus you leave it in your computer... amazing!
Adam and Eve were deceived by the Serpent. The question of the thread is why was the Serpent created and allowed access to them? And why allow his continued existence?
I think my answer makes more sense: we live in a system of dualities. Since God is good there has to be a counterbalancing bad - until God abolishes this system

DaddyCoool:
It's amazing that an adult actually believes this (but then who am I to say). So you have a computer program and somehow virus enters it. Instead of promptly getting rid of the virus you leave it in your computer... amazing!
Adam and Eve were deceived by the Serpent. The question of the thread is why was the Serpent created and allowed access to them? And why allow his continued existence?
I think my answer makes more sense: we live in a system of dualities. Since God is good there has to be a counterbalancing bad - until God abolishes this system

You made a very funny comparison!

How can you compare creatures having minds and thoughts exactly like their maker with computers? Genesis 1:26

Guy, humans are Gods according to the way we were created and we were not programmed to do what our maker wants unlike the computer that it was programmed to do specific things we can choose whether to do good or evil.

MaxInDHouse:
You made a very funny comparison!

How can you compare creatures having minds and thoughts exactly like their maker with computers? Genesis 1:26

Guy, humans are Gods according to the way we were created and we were not programmed to do what our maker wants unlike the computer that it was programmed to do specific things we can choose whether to do good or evil.

It is called an ANALOGY, used to make a point (which I'm sure you got), not that it is exactly same.
So Adam was God? Wow! Adam that was not even self-aware - did not even know he was naked! What God!
You still have NOT answered the question of this thread: why create the Serpent, and why give him easy access to them?

DaddyCoool:
It is called an ANALOGY, used to make a point (which I'm sure you got), not that it is exactly same.
So Adam was God? Wow! Adam that was not even self-aware - did not even know he was naked! What God!
You still have NOT answered the question of this thread: why create the Serpent, and why give him easy access to them?

The title GOD means SUPREME BEING so if you want to expatiate on that you can start by thinking about someone who created computer such a person is SUPREME over the computer because he knows everything that makes up the computer so he can dismantle it and put it back again.
Have humans proved to be CREATORS?
YES!
That's what God means not knowing all things.
God didn't create the serpent to cause trouble in Paradise a spirit being possessed the creature to cause confusion and why give this spirit being access to Adam and Eve.
Satan challenged God's right to deprive Adam and Eve absolute freedom claiming they will be better of without God's guidance.
But since the couple never thought they can do so without consequences Satan needs to speak with them so that they may show whether they are loyal to their Maker or not.
Sadly the couple welcomed the idea to rebel against their Creator that's how evil began.

MaxInDHouse:
The title GOD means SUPREME BEING so if you want to expatiate on that you can start by thinking about someone who created computer such a person is SUPREME over the computer because he knows everything that makes up the computer so he can dismantle it and put it back again.
Have humans proved to be CREATORS?
YES!
That's what God means not knowing all things.
God didn't create the serpent to cause trouble in Paradise a spirit being possessed the creature to cause confusion and why give this spirit being access to Adam and Eve.
Satan challenged God's right to deprive Adam and Eve absolute freedom claiming they will be better of without God's guidance.
But since the couple never thought they can do so without consequences Satan needs to speak with them so that they may show whether they are loyal to their Maker or not.
Sadly the couple welcomed the idea to rebel against their Creator that's how evil began.

Ridiculous! They really got you mixed up. Matter can neither be created nor destroyed - it only changes form. ONLY God can create or destroy even an atom. But beyond that, what sort of God cannot stop or start his own heart or control organs inside his own body (his own o!). If man is God then every other animal is God!

So your thesis is that God intentionally created the Serpent to tempt man or is it that it was a mistake.(Remember God knows all and never makes mistakes). And then why not get rid of him after the mistake.
Can't you see that the correct answer is that evil exists to counterbalance good. Not that it was a mistake, and he went rogue, and God wanted to use it to train man, bla bla bla 😅

DaddyCoool:
Ridiculous! They really got you mixed up. Matter can neither be created nor destroyed - it only changes form.

Ọmọ why is it that no other creature can CREATE anything out of what you called "MATTER" apart from the children of Adam?
Adam's descendants CREATED electricity, telecommunication, automobile just to mention a few and you are here arguing that it's what they are able to lay their hands on that was used to CREATE something else, abeg why couldn't any other creature do the same?
Well until you can find one creature apart from man that's able to CREATE something out of what is available man is God! Psalms 82:6
Do you agree that God CREATED man?
Well the Bible said He (God) formed man from the dust of the ground this means God used what you called MATTER to CREATE man.
So it's false religions that's giving you the problem not the true word of God!

DaddyCoool:
(Remember God knows all and never makes mistakes).

Where did you get the idea that God must know all?

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ why is it that no other creature can CREATE anything out of what you called "MATTER" apart from the children of Adam?
Adam's descendants CREATED electricity, telecommunication, automobile just to mention a few and you are here arguing that it's what they are able to lay their hands on that was used to CREATE something else, abeg why couldn't any other creature do the same?
Well until you can find one creature apart from man that's able to CREATE something out of what is available man is God! Psalms 82:6
Do you agree that God CREATED man?
Well the Bible said He (God) formed man from the dust of the ground this means God used what you called MATTER to CREATE man.
So it's false religions that's giving you the problem not the true word of God!



Where did you get the idea that God must know all?

With respect, this discussion is becoming too childish for me. Been nice chatting with you.
Where else in the Bible do you see the word "create" used except as pertaining to creation?
Even whe an animal (like man) gives birth it is not called creation. God created dust and formed man from the dust he created, and you are comparing that to man DISCOVERING electricity that Gid created, that was always there! To invent or discover something (like electricity) does not mean you created it! And if that's what defines God then animals are also God because they discover things and invent tools from the environment and build elaborate nests, webs, traps, dwellings, etc.
Ciao!

DaddyCoool:
God created dust and formed man from the dust he created.

Can you quote this word for word in the Bible?

DaddyCoool:
To invent or discover something (like electricity) does not mean you created it! And if that's what defines God then animals are also God because they discover things and invent tools from the environment and build elaborate nests, webs, traps, dwellings, etc.
Ciao!

You called it DISCOVERY but no other creature come close to man in these and animals don't work like Adam's descendants who kept improving daily in the things we CREATED!

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote this word for word in the Bible?

Colossians 1:16, "For by him ALL things were CREATED, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible"

All means ALL. Nothing left for man to create

MaxInDHouse:
You called it DISCOVERY but no other creature come close to man in these and animals don't work like Adam's descendants who kept improving daily in the things we CREATED!

See above.

God created everything (everything means EVERYTHING), visible and invisible by the end of the sixth day, and then rested on the seventh day.

DaddyCoool:
Colossians 1:16, "For by him ALL things were CREATED, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible"
All means ALL. Nothing left for man to create

You haven't quoted what you typed up there Word for word in the Bible.

DaddyCoool:
See above.
God created everything (everything means EVERYTHING), visible and invisible by the end of the sixth day, and then rested on the seventh day.

Check the word CREATE in your English dictionary:

To bring into existence out of nothing, without the prior existence of the materials or elements used. ▼ show

To make or produce from other (e.g. raw, unrefined or scattered) materials or combinable elements or ideas; to design or invest with a new form, shape, function, etc.

So to create doesn't necessarily mean out of nothing o!

MaxInDHouse:
You haven't quoted what you typed up there Word for word in the Bible.

That's exactly how it is in the Bible - "For by him ALL things were CREATED, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible". Except the capitals.

But anyway the Bible is not meant to be read like that. Everything is to be taken together, not cherrypicked. Creation ENDED after the sixth day. There hasn't been any creation since then

MaxInDHouse:
Check the word CREATE in your English dictionary:

To bring into existence out of nothing, without the prior existence of the materials or elements used. ▼ show

To make or produce from other (e.g. raw, unrefined or scattered) materials or combinable elements or ideas; to design or invest with a new form, shape, function, etc.

So to create doesn't necessarily mean out of nothing o!

Since animals also do the second definition, they are also God (according to you!)
Birds create nests, spiders create webs, apes create tools they use for hunting and fishing, etc

DaddyCoool:
That's exactly how it is on the Bible - "For by him ALL things were CREATED, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible". Except the capitals.
But anyway the Bible is not meant to be read like that. Everything is to be taken together, not cherrypicked. Creation ENDED after the sixth day. There haven't been any creation since then

That is from God's side humans started CREATING things that makes life sweeter so it's you who calls it DISCOVERY.

DaddyCoool:
Since animals also do the second definition, they are also God (according to you!)
Birds create nests, spiders create webs, apes create tools they use for hunting and fishing, etc

CREATION has to do with improving the life of the Creator animals live by instinct so they never improve on what their ancestors knew till today!

MaxInDHouse:
That is from God's side humans started CREATING things that makes life sweeter so it's you who calls it DISCOVERY.

How about from animal side. So animals don't create things that make their lives sweeter?! Why not Google and find oit if animals create tools!

There is no God, man, or animal side! What we are discussing is the Bible, hence BIBLICAL "create". That’s what separates God from any other being in the universe.

DaddyCoool:
How about from animal side. So animals don't create things that make their lives sweeter?! Why not Google and find oit if animals create tools!
There is no God, man, or animal side! What we are discussing is the Bible, hence BIBLICAL "create". That’s what separates God from any other being in the universe.

You didn't get it clear, the Creator must have power to end whatever he or she created.
Animals creating things is really funny walahi talahi!

MaxInDHouse:
CREATION has to do with improving the life of the Creator animals live by instinct so they never improve on what their ancestors knew till today!

Why not Google and see if animals create tools.
Also, animals have other abilities that humans don't have. That doesn't make them God. They can see wider color spectrum, and hear further, and are much more intuitive.

But all this is irrelevant. Man is NOT God not only because he can't create nor destroy matter, but also because he can't control things with words - even his own internal organs, and aging, and dying. If you tell your heart to stop beating it will totally ignore you! Some God!

DaddyCoool:
Why not Google and see if animals create tools.
Also, animals have other abilities that humans don't have. That doesn't make them God. They can see wider color spectrum, and hear further, and are much more intuitive. But all this is irrelevant. Man is NOT God not only because he can't create nor destroy matter, but also because he can't control things with words - even his own internal organs, and aging, and dying. If you tell your heart to stop beating it will totally ignore you! Some God!

God acknowledged humans as Gods! Psalms 82:6
Because they will surely turn this planet into something else with the things they will create!

MaxInDHouse:
God acknowledged humans as Gods! Psalms 82:6
Because they will surely turn this planet into something else with the things they will create!

Small letter god my friend. Which is not same as God the creator

DaddyCoool:
Small letter god my friend. Which is not same as God the creator

Guy nah translators use small letter in the original language GOD, God, god is pronounced the same way.
So the supreme being who created things have the power to dismantle them if they aren't fulfilling the purpose for which they were created.