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Roland17:
Honestly, this is an embarrassing rebuttal. Did Trump also share specific details related to weapons, targets and timing sequence? Yemen will always suffer casualties irrespective. The issue is, what is now confirmed as sensitive military intelligence found its way into the cell phone of a civilian.

Trump was not there. What are you saying..

How can Yemen always suffer casualty if they know the attack was coming?

How can you kill houthi top ranks if they know something is coming?

Again, the Atlantic is there to damage the Trump admin. They can leak their info through a janitor at the moment. If they have anything let them leak it.

bemeruca:
No, there are loads of information that are not classified but you don't know about them. They are not in the public scene.

So I still disagree with you. Him knowing before others does not mean it was classified.

Trump fires people it is Biden who does not fire people.

Really?

In what planet or Banana Republic do you want the public including your 'enemies' to know about the operational details of your forthcoming strikes, information about your targets, weapons you would be deploying, and your attack sequencing? Really? Those should not be classified information?

OK I get it, those should not be classified information in MAGA republic.

nateevs:
And of course, Dayo joins with the whataboutism

He made a statement which was factually wrong, but you wont see it because of the Trump Derangement Syndrome

How many people resigned or got fired for the bungled Afghanistan withdrawal under Biden? Do you know the answer?

nateevs:
And of course, Dayo joins with the whataboutism

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bemeruca:
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Can you find me a statement from nateevs this outraged when American soldiers were killed in Afghanistan under Biden withdrawal?

Or when the US ambassador got killed in Libya under Obama?

Probably you wont. That is what TDS does

ObaIgwe1:
Really?

In what planet or Banana Republic do you want the public including your 'enemies' to know about the operational details of your forthcoming strikes, information about your targets, weapons you would be deploying, and your attack sequencing? Really? Those should not be classified information?

OK I get it, those should not be classified information in MAGA republic.

There is a reason FOIA exists there are loads of stuff not classified but you cannot see except you apply to see them.

1. For Official Use Only (FOUO) – Sensitive but unclassified documents meant for internal government use.

2. Law Enforcement Sensitive (LES) – Documents restricted to law enforcement personnel to protect investigations.

3. Confidential but Unclassified (CBU) – Used in some agencies for sensitive information that doesn't meet classification thresholds.

4. Sensitive But Unclassified (SBU) – Older term for non-public but unclassified government documents.

5. Deliberative Process Documents – Drafts, internal memos, and policy discussions that are protected to allow candid decision-making.

6. Personally Identifiable Information (PII) & Privacy Act Data – Government records containing private citizen information.

7. Procurement Sensitive Information – Documents related to government contract bids and negotiations.

8. Attorney-Client Privileged Communications – Legal advice and internal legal discussions within government agencies.

bemeruca:
Trump was not there. What are you saying..

How can Yemen always suffer casualty if they know the attack was coming?

How can you kill houthi top ranks if they know something is coming?

Again, the Atlantic is there to damage the Trump admin. They can leak their info through a janitor at the moment. If they have anything let them leak it.

Do you even follow your train of argument. Who is the head of the Trump administrations? Are trying to isolate Trump from the Trump administration when you said "The Trump administration told Yemen they are going to receive strikes till it pledged not to attack ships going through the Red Sea." If the Trump administration told Yemen and the world that they will receive strikes, did they also share with the world the timing, sequence, type of weapon, targets and other specific details which are military intelligence?

raumdeuter:
Can you find me a statement from nateevs this outraged when American soldiers were killed in Afghanistan under Biden withdrawal?

Or when the US ambassador got killed in Libya under Obama?

Probably you wont. That is what TDS does

Their outrage is one way

This is crazy. Wow

It hope anyone shows truly been on the fence and not pretending can see this administration and its supporters for what they are. People who are willing to lie to your face and to themselves about what’s clear and obvious.

raumdeuter:
He made a statement which was factually wrong, but you wont see it because of the Trump Derangement Syndrome

How many people resigned or got fired for the bungled Afghanistan withdrawal under Biden? Do you know the answer?

lol. I have not said Biden did or didn't make mistake. I only asked if everything is okay except it was done by Hillary or Biden or any other Democrat?

So many people people condemned the way Biden handled the Afghanistan withdrawal including a lot of Democrats. But I am yet to read your assessment of the mess committed by Trump's team since the story broke yesterday. Instead you are quick to deviate from the subject matter and gaslight to your usual whataboutism tactics.

Roland17:
Do you even follow your train of argument. Who is the leader of the head of the Trump administrations? Are trying to isolate the Trump from the Trump administration when you said "The Trump administration told Yemen they are going to receive strikes till it pledged not to attack ships going through the Red Sea." If the Trump administration told Yemen and the world that they will receive strikes, did they also share with the world the timing, sequence, type of weapon, targets and other specific details which are military intelligence?

Trump wasn't there, he was not in the group, he does not know what they were doing.

If you work in a corporate world you fire people like this who messed up as you are not part of it. That's your work. That's why trump said Biden didn't fire anyone in the Afghanistan withdrawal. No one was punished.

It is Trump's admin correct but for this he has nothing to do with it.

raumdeuter:
Can you find me a statement from nateevs this outraged when American soldiers were killed in Afghanistan under Biden withdrawal?

Or when the US ambassador got killed in Libya under Obama?

Probably you wont. That is what TDS does

The question is, did sensitive military intelligence leak to a civilian? Yes or no? Trump rightfully wailed when it happened under the Democrats, so why is there an issue with questioning this leak? Did the House institute a hearing on the Hilary Leaks? So, what are we talking about here?

ObaIgwe1:
lol. I have not said Biden did or didn't make mistake. I only asked if everything is okay except it was done by Hillary or Biden or any other Democrat?

So many people people condemned the way Biden handled the Afghanistan withdrawal including a lot of Democrats. But I am yet to read your assessment of the mess committed by Trump's team since the story broke yesterday. Instead you are quick to deviate from the subject matter and gaslight to your usual whataboutism tactics.

You said "In a decent administration, there would have been a lot of resignation and firing". Now I ask was Biden admin which you defended multiple times on here decent? And how many people got fired for that?

I have not commented about the mess yesterday but you have commented on it and it shows your blatant hypocrisy. Its better not to comment than to be a hypocrite

Did Biden fire anyone or make them resign when 13 Americans were actually killed

Roland17:
Do you even follow your train of argument. Who is the head of the Trump administrations? Are trying to isolate Trump from the Trump administration when you said "The Trump administration told Yemen they are going to receive strikes till it pledged not to attack ships going through the Red Sea." If the Trump administration told Yemen and the world that they will receive strikes, did they also share with the world the timing, sequence, type of weapon, targets and other specific details which are military intelligence?

You need to understand trump is a much cruder, less polished and more malign version of Ronald Regan

Now remember Iran contra, Oliver north and a president whose response to the investigation was he did not know what his foreign policy was

Same energy in 2025.


This is from someone smarter than me

Think about this.

Imagine if Nuhu Ribadu created a Whatsapp group to discuss an attack on Bello Turji's headquarters and he added Fisayo Fosudo to the group. Imagine if Kashim Shettima, General Christopher Musa and others were in the same group and they were discussing the exact time the attack would take place, the exact location, which troops would be involved etc.

Imagine if, some weeks later, Fisayo Fosudo publishes screenshots of the discussions. What would Nigerians say?

Already I have seen screenshots of the makers of us foreign policy bitching like illiterate magas about Europe 'freeloading'. It is a real window into a dysfunctional circus of clowns who do not realize it was hard power that did Russia in.

Roland17:
The question is, did sensitive military intelligence leak to a civilian? Yes or no? Trump rightfully wailed when it happened under the Democrats, so why is there an issue with questioning this leak? Did the House institute a hearing on the Hilary Leaks? So, what are we talking about here?

That is not the question I am responding to. The question I am responding to is "In a decent administration, there would have been a lot of resignation and firing"

Did we get these firings for the bungled Afghan and Benghazi where Americans actually died? If we had this outrage from the same posters when Americans actually died maybe we will not think they are hypocritical and not just plain hysterical

If sensitive information get to unauthorized hands then it is bad but when the same people who didnt scream this loud when Americans actually died from the Afghan and Benghazi debacle not tearing their shirt, then it screams of agenda

Roland17:
Do you even follow your train of argument. Who is the head of the Trump administrations? Are trying to isolate Trump from the Trump administration when you said "The Trump administration told Yemen they are going to receive strikes till it pledged not to attack ships going through the Red Sea." If the Trump administration told Yemen and the world that they will receive strikes, did they also share with the world the timing, sequence, type of weapon, targets and other specific details which are military intelligence?

Why should they tell them that?
it is a piece of sensitive information. DNI said there was no classified information shared. abi na you classify am?

raumdeuter:
That is not the question I am responding to. The question I am responding to is "In a decent administration, there would have been a lot of resignation and firing"

Did we get these firings for the bungled Afghan and Benghazi where Americans actually died? If we had this outrage from the same posters when Americans actually died maybe we will not think they are hypocritical and not just plain hysterical

If sensitive information get to unauthorized hands then it is bad but when the same people who didnt scream this loud when Americans actually died from the Afghan and Benghazi debacle not tearing their shirt, then it screams of agenda

Egbon, I am more interested in your admittance that something wrong happened and I am thankful that you have acknowledge it versus someone struggling to trivialize this leak, like it is a WhatsApp invitation to choir practice.

Roland17:
Egbon, I am more interested in your admittance that something wrong happened and I am thankful that you have acknowledge it versus someone struggling to trivialize this leak, like it is a WhatsApp invitation to choir practice.

Something wrong happened, They let in an unauthorized person in their chat

raumdeuter:
You said "In a decent administration, there would have been a lot of resignation and firing". Now I ask was Biden admin decent? And how many people got fired for that?

I have not commented about the mess yesterday but you have commented on it and it shows your blatant hypocrisy. Its better not to comment than to be a hypocrite

Obviously. Even if Biden refused to hold anyone accountable and fire anyone, many people including myself still hold Biden responsible for the mess on Afghanistan withdrawal.

But you don't have to keep quiet when your lord or his team do wrong and then go on whataboutism of other wrongs. Imagine if Jeffrey Goldberg is not a patriot or if the information carelessly got into 'enemy's hand

ObaIgwe1:
Obviously. Even if Biden refused to hold anyone accountable and fire anyone, many people including myself still hold Biden responsible for the mess on Afghanistan withdrawal.

But you don't have to keep quiet when your lord or his team do wrong and then go on whataboutism of other wrongs. Imagine if Jeffrey Goldberg is not a patriot or if the information carelessly got into 'enemy's hand

Do you consider Biden admin which you defended regularly a decent one? Given the no firing and no resignations
Remember

ObaIgwe1:
In a decent administration, there would have been a lot of resignation and firing, but with Trump administration, everything is okay except it was done by Hillary or Biden or any other Democrat.

We didnt need to imagine with the Afghanistan and the Benghazi where Americans died and shockingly we didnt see as much outrage from you about it

If you kept quiet when Americans actually died due to incompetence but you are tearing your shirt because of a leak where no American died then what are you actually about?

bemeruca:
Why should they tell them that?
it is a piece of sensitive information. DNI said there was no classified information shared. abi na you classify am?

Exactly! Thank you for making my point!!!

The Trump administration did not share details of type of weapons to be used, targets, sequence of attacks and other specific details because they are sensitive military intelligence, classified or not. Problem is, it leaked into the hands of a civilian and that is a problem. There is a reason

Just admit the leak, review your process/ systems and move on!

Roland17:
Exactly! Thank you for making my point!!!

The Trump administration did not share details of type of weapons to be used, targets, sequence of attacks and other specific details because they are sensitive military intelligence, classified or not. Problem is, it leaked into the hands of a civilian and that is a problem. There is a reason

Just admit the leak, review your process/ systems and move on!

It is you guys making all the noise.
timing of an attack is sensitive but not a piece of classified information. That's all I can say.

raumdeuter:
Do you consider Biden admin which you defended regularly a decent one? Given the no firing and no resignations
Remember


We didnt need to imagine with the Afghanistan and the Benghazi where Americans died and shockingly we didnt see as much outrage from you about it

If you kept quiet when Americans actually died due to incompetence but you are tearing your shirt because of a leak where no American died then what are you actually about?

I was not active on this thread at the time of Afghan withdrawal, doesn't mean I didn't condemn it. Biden gave his excuses and claimed he expected the Afghan Army to defend themselves, and also protect the airport, even at that, and despite Trump negotiating the withdrawal with the Taliban without including the Afghan Government, I still hold Biden and his men accountable for the disaster.

Now that you have received my condemnation of Biden on the mess of Afghan withdrawal, can we now have your assessment of the mess of Trump men considering the level at which MAGA took up Hillary Server scandal.... I can still hear the echo of 'lock her up'.

cococandy:
This is crazy. Wow

It hope anyone shows truly been on the fence and not pretending can see this administration and its supporters for what they are. People who are willing to lie to your face and to themselves about what’s clear and obvious.

Buh her emails!!!!!!

ObaIgwe1:
I was not active on this thread at the time of Afghan withdrawal, doesn't mean I didn't condemn it. Biden gave his excuses and claimed he expected the Afghan Army to defend themselves, and also protect the airport, even at that, and despite Trump negotiating the withdrawal with the Taliban without including the Afghan Government, I still hold Biden and his men accountable for the disaster.

Now that you have received my condemnation of Biden on the mess of Afghan withdrawal, can we now have your assessment of the mess of Trump men considering the level at which MAGA took up Hillary Server scandal.... I can still hear the echo of 'lock her up'.

I am asking you if you consider the Biden admin a decent one given what you told us here

In a decent administration, there would have been a lot of resignation and firing

raumdeuter:
Do you consider Biden admin which you defended regularly a decent one? Given the no firing and no resignations
Remember


We didnt need to imagine with the Afghanistan and the Benghazi where Americans died and shockingly we didnt see as much outrage from you about it

If you kept quiet when Americans actually died due to incompetence but you are tearing your shirt because of a leak where no American died then what are you actually about?

About the same number of people died in Afghanistan the year before Biden withdrew and the year Biden withdrew. None have died since.
How come you never talk of any other dead soldiers, do they not matter to you?

We have the benefit of hindsight into this.
In the Biden Administration 13 soldiers died in Afghanistan.
In the Trump Administration 73 soldiers died in Afghanistan.
Was it incompetence that 73 soldiers died under Trump?

Your argument is that somehow Trump and all his incompetence from his first term and the beginning of this 2nd term would have done a better job withdrawing from Afghanistan.
What have they done competently this term? From 'accidentally' firing Ebola workers, to firing people who manage Nuclear Weapons, to bouncing around Tariffs to discussing war plans on Signal, to fighting all our allies. And this has just been the first 3 months.

Don't you get tired of being the fool online?
Noone should ever trust you in any position of authority or decision making.

Ha.

IjeBos:
About the same number of people died in Afghanistan the year before Biden withdrew and the year Biden withdrew. None have died since.
How come you never talk of any other dead soldiers, do they not matter to you?

We have the benefit of hindsight into this.
In the Biden Administration 13 soldiers died in Afghanistan.
In the Trump Administration 73 soldiers died in Afghanistan.
Was it incompetence that 73 soldiers died under Trump?

Your argument is that somehow Trump and all his incompetence from his first term and the beginning of this 2nd term would have done a better job withdrawing from Afghanistan.
What have they done competently this term? From 'accidentally' firing Ebola workers, to firing people who manage Nuclear Weapons, to bouncing around Tariffs to discussing war plans on Signal, to fighting all our allies. And this has just been the first 3 months.

Don't you get tired of being the fool online?
Noone should ever trust you in any position of authority or decision making.

The forum idiiiot is back. When you take time out to fix your life, stop seeing yourself as a victim, get some education, get a job, make a good living, get a family and people who actually care about you

then fix your brain damage from those kicks you got

then maybe people will start taking you serious

raumdeuter:
The forum idiiiot is back. When you take time out to fix your life, stop seeing yourself as a victim, get some education, get a job, make a good living, get a family and people who actually care about you

then fix your brain damage from those kicks you got

then maybe people will start taking you serious

laughing out loud

raumdeuter:
The forum idiiiot is back. When you take time out to fix your life, stop seeing yourself as a victim, get some education, get a job, make a good living, get a family and people who actually care about you

then fix your brain damage from those kicks you got

then maybe people will start taking you serious

You should, give a chat on what not to do to succeed.
Some topics that may work for you.

Business - How not to fail in a Business by spending 4 hours on Nairaland Daily
Education - 'Harvard Extension School' - It really isn't a Harvard degree
Romance - "15 year olds" - Probably best not to comment on how 'tight 'you may think they are.

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Dying

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