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sonmvayina:
Let me walk you through it.
God made a statue of a man from the dust of the earth (mud) it's a statue there is no life. Then God breathed into it and it became a living soul( it came to life)
The statue + God's breath( spirit) = soul.
The Bible also tells us that God's breath is the same image and likeness as God, so therefore we are Gods living inside a body made from Dust.
When you expire, God takes his breath, it becomes one with God, and we bury your body so that it can become one with the earth after termites have finish eating your body.
So what is going to hell?

My friend, I hope you know that man lives on beyond the grave. He has a body beyond the grave. That body is the soul.

GothamCities:
If soul is God's spirit plus body, how's spirit = soul then?

You answer it.

GothamCities:
My friend, I hope you know that man lives on beyond the grave. He has a body beyond the grave. That body is the soul.

You are confusing yourself?
What is the body made of?
How can the soul still exist after death?

GothamCities:
You don't even know the Gospel let alone knowing any character there. How can you talk about Mary? Have you.met her before?

If you cannot prove the Gospel, you cannot talk the Gospel or any of its characters to those who can prove it.

No, the Gospel was not written by the Catholic Church. The Gospel predates the Catholic Church.

The purest form of evil is deception.

You have been deceived.

The Mary in the gospel stories is Lucifer.

sonmvayina:
You are confusing yourself?
What is the body made of?
How can the soul still exist after death?

The body is made of clay.

The soul that sinneth shall.die. Why can't you answer the question of the soul.dying if it is the breathe of God plus the body. The soul is man's celestial.body. Death is a transition and not a termination.

sonmvayina:
The purest form of evil is deception.

You have been deceived.

The Mary in the gospel stories is Lucifer.

You can't even prove what you're saying. So, you're the one who was deceived because I am a living proof of the power of the Gospel.

sonmvayina:
You answer it.

My friend,you created the question by your assertion. If you can't answer the question, then, it means you actually don't even know what you're talking about.

GothamCities:
➜I don't know where you read that I said the spirit belongs to man. Please point that out first before we continue.

Here!

GothamCities:
✓Man's spirit returns to God The breathe of life is a lease to man to enable man dwell on earth. When the earthly existence of a man expires, the breathe of life returns to God who gave it but the real man continues to live another life beyond the earth..
You'll agree with me even from scriptures that man does not cease to be after he dies. His spirit returns to God but his soul lives on. That's why the scriptures say "The soul (not the spirit) that sinneth shall die " Ezekiel 18:20. This death spoken of here is eternal separation from God, not extinction. As the Old Testament also says:
"The wicked shall be cast to hell, and all the nations that forget God." Psalm 9:17.

That's the first mistake you made in this particular post of yours. If the Spirit in question was never man's spirit, to begin with, then where did you come up with the notion that after life on earth man somehow continues to live by way of this spirit that was never his, elsewhere?

Where is it written in the book you pretend to quote from that such a thing is even possible?

GothamCities:
My friend,you created the question by your assertion. If you can't answer the question, then, it means you actually don't even know what you're talking about.

When did I say that the soul is same as spirit. That was your position, that's why I said you should answer.
Soul = body + spirit.

GothamCities:
The body is made of clay.

The soul that sinneth shall.die. Why can't you answer the question of the soul.dying if it is the breathe of God plus the body. The soul is man's celestial.body. Death is a transition and not a termination.

What are you saying brov?
So the body made of clay lives on after death?
You are confusing yourself
Go back and check

GothamCities:
My friend,you created the question by your assertion. If you can't answer the question, then, it means you actually don't even know what you're talking about.

So what is going to hell?

sonmvayina:
So what is going to hell?

Please answer the two questions o asked you.

sonmvayina:
What are you saying brov?
So the body made of clay lives on after death?
You are confusing yourself
Go back and check

There's a spiritual body my friend. The spiritual body is the soul and not the breathe that returns to God. This is the soul that the Bible says shall.die. It shall be eternally separated from God.

sonmvayina:
When did I say that the soul is same as spirit. That was your position, that's why I said you should answer.
Soul = body + spirit.

We're on your assertion that soul = body + spirit.

Now, answer the question, if soul = body plus spirit, what is meant by the verse "...the soul that sinneth shall die"?

The man is spirit plus soul plus body

GothamCities:
➜The body is made of clay.
The soul that sinneth shall.die. Why can't you answer the question of the soul.dying if it is the breathe of God plus the body. The soul is man's celestial.body. Death is a transition and not a termination.

Interesting! The body, which is made of clay, dies when man dies, but somehow the soul escapes death even though the verse you continue to quote clearly states that the soul will die in a sinful man. So, where does this idea of yours that the soul is of a celestial body? Where is this claim of yours to be found?

Kobojunkie:
Here! That's the first mistake you made in this particular post of yours. If the Spirit in question was never man's spirit, to begin with, then where did you come up with the notion that after life on earth man somehow continues to live by way of this spirit that was never his, elsewhere?

Where is it written in the book you pretend to quote from that such a thing is even possible?

By Man's Spirit, I meant the spirit indwelling man. I wasn't talking in terms of possession. If you're living in a rented house, calling the house your house does not mean you're the landlord. It only means you dwell there.

Kobojunkie:
Interesting! The body, which is made of clay, dies when man dies, but somehow the soul escapes death even though the verse you continue to quote clearly states that the soul will die in a sinful man. So, where does this idea of yours that the soul is of a celestial body? Where is this claim of yours to be found?

Since you don't seem to even believe the Bible, I'll let you know that the Lord Jesus said to them, "You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. But regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God: 'I AM THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, AND THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB'? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living."

(Matthew 22:29-32, NASB)

The bodies of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are dead and buried here but they still live yonder. Life beyond the grave.

GothamCities:
➜Since you don't seem to even believe the Bible, I'll let you know that the Lord Jesus said to them, "You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. But regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God: 'I AM THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, AND THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB'? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living."
(Matthew 22:29-32, NASB)
➜The bodies of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are dead and buried here but they still live yonder. Life beyond the grave.

You don't seem to be paying attention to your own claims.

1. According to the verse from Ezekiel 18, which you have referenced several times now, the soul that sins must die implies souls are not eternal nor live beyond as death indicates an end for the body and soul as described by the same God you pretend to quote in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 19. However, you are trying to convince us that all souls are instead celestial bodies, and my question was intended to have us learn where this conclusion of yours comes from. What book, chapter, and verse, please?

2. So, are all men Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob then? And is Ezekiel 18 of lie?

GothamCities:
➜By Man's Spirit, I meant the spirit indwelling man. I wasn't talking in terms of possession.
➜ If you're living in a rented house, calling the house your house does not mean you're the landlord. It only means you dwell there.

The spirit indwelling man that does not belong to man, right? and we know from Genesis 2 and Genesis 3 that the spirit in question — the breath of God— is intended by God as a means of animating man for an allotted period.

2. I wouldn't call a rented house my house. It could be where I live, but definitely not my house?

Kobojunkie:
You don't seem to be paying attention to your own claims.

1. According to the verse from Ezekiel 18, which you have referenced several times now, the soul that sins must die implies souls are not eternal nor live beyond as death indicates an end for the body and soul as described by the same God you pretend to quote in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 19. However, you are trying to convince us that all souls are instead celestial bodies, and my question was intended to have us learn where this conclusion of yours comes from. What book, chapter, and verse, please?

2. So, are all men Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob then? And is Ezekiel 18 of lie?

1. In all references to the scripture that says "the soul that sinneth shall die" I always add "eternal separation from God". Physical death is eternal separation from the body. Spiritual death is eternal separation from God. The Bible calls it the second death.

2. Jesus was talking generally about the afterlife. After rebuking those who said there's no resurrection, He cited the example of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as proof that there's life beyond the grave. The very matter they were arguing was whether there's life after death or not. Then Jesus said, in the resurrection, people don't marry or give birth..... Please read the quoted verses again.

2. What is the difference between all other men and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

Kobojunkie:
The spirit indwelling man that does not belong to man, right? and we know from Genesis 2 and Genesis 3 that the spirit in question — the breath of God— is intended by God as a means of animating man for an allotted period.

2. I wouldn't call a rented house my house. It could be where I live, but definitely not my house?

When they ask you "Where's your house?" What do you answer in real life? You'll point it out if it's within sight even though it was rented.

GothamCities:
1. In all references to the scripture that says "the soul that sinneth shall die" I always add "eternal separation from God". Physical death is eternal separation from the body. Spiritual death is eternal separation from God. The Bible calls it the second death.
2. Jesus was talking generally about the afterlife. After rebuking those who said there's no resurrection, He cited the example of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as proof that there's life beyond the grave. The very matter they were arguing was whether there's life after death or not. Then Jesus said, in the resurrection, people don't marry or give birth..... Please read the quoted verses again.
2. What is the difference between all other men and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

1. Where is this eternal separation from God mentioned in the Law of Moses, which is indicated in Ezekiel 18, which you quote?

2. Ezekiel 18 was written approximately 600 years before the birth of Jesus Christ of Israel, whom you refer to. So, how did we jump to Jesus Christ of Israel from what is written in Ezekiel 18?

3. Are you insinuating that there is no difference between the individuals out there and those men? Then why were their names mentioned separately from all else?

GothamCities:
➜When they ask you "Where's your house?" What do you answer in real life? You'll point it out if it's within sight even though it was rented.

The right question would be, "Where do you live," and the answer would not suggest that I own the place when I don't.

By the way, when you earlier claimed that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob — not every man who lived beginning from the time of Abraham to the time of Jacob, etc, — still live yonder, what exactly did you mean?

Kobojunkie:
The right question would be, "Where do you live," and the answer would not suggest that I own the place when I don't.

By the way, when you earlier claimed that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob — not every man who lived beginning from the time of Abraham to the time of Jacob, etc, — still live yonder, what exactly did you mean?

I wasn't the one who said that.

Everyone who lived before Adam and after Adam have a life beyond the grave.

Kobojunkie:
1. Where is this eternal separation from God mentioned in the Law of Moses, which is indicated in Ezekiel 18, which you quote?

2. Ezekiel 18 was written approximately 600 years before the birth of Jesus Christ of Israel, whom you refer to. So, how did we jump to Jesus Christ of Israel from what is written in Ezekiel 18?

3. Are you insinuating that there is no difference between the individuals out there and those men? Then why were their names mentioned separately from all else?

1. You should tell us how a soul dies. The Bible called eternal separation from God a second death.

2. Eternal separating from God is visible even from Genesis. God told them, if you eat this fruit, you'll die. The death was not physical but spiritual. A separation from God.

3. Those men are like any other man. Their names were not mentioned separately. Jesus on my used a common phrase "God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" to illustrate a point.

GothamCities:
We're on your assertion that soul = body + spirit.

Now, answer the question, if soul = body plus spirit, what is meant by the verse "...the soul that sinneth shall die"?

The man is spirit plus soul plus body

Does man not die. Every soul must die at some point.
Man is a soul. We do not have a soul.
When God breathed on the statue it became a living soul. When it expires, the spirit returns to God who owns it and the body to the earth where it came from. Did you not quote that Ecclesiastics 12:7. There is no third entity. It is just spirit of God plus mud.

GothamCities:
There's a spiritual body my friend. The spiritual body is the soul and not the breathe that returns to God. This is the soul that the Bible says shall.die. It shall be eternally separated from God.

I don't understand you anymore.

Go and read Ecclesiastics 12:7 again and make sure you understand it. You don't understand it yet.in fact read the whole of Ecclesiastics. It has many information that will be good for you.
Try and read the creation of man and understand what man is and what God is too..
You don't understand yet.

GothamCities:
Please answer the two questions o asked you.

I have ....now answer mine.

GothamCities:
✓ I wasn't the one who said that.
Everyone who lived before Adam and after Adam have a life beyond the grave.

Where is this claim of yours taken from? What book, chaper and verse(s)?

GothamCities:
1. You should tell us how a soul dies. The Bible called eternal separation from God a second death.
2. Eternal separating from God is visible even from Genesis. God told them, if you eat this fruit, you'll die. The death was not physical but spiritual. A separation from God.
3. Those men are like any other man. Their names were not mentioned separately.
➜ Jesus on my used a common phrase "God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" to illustrate a point.

1. Where is this claim of yours written? And what relation does it have to what you quoted from Ezekiel 18?

2. Nothing of what is written in the entire context of Genesis 3 vs 16 - 24 indicates this concept of eternal separating from God, so why or how did you insert it of your own will?

3. How are those men like any other men? Their names were not mentioned separately, yet throughout the book, they are mentioned separately from the others who lived around the same time as they did and beyond. why?

4. What other man who lived at the same time that Abraham did was mentioned by Jesus Christ of Israel? What other man who lived during the time of Isaac was mentioned by Jesus Christ of Israel? What other man who lived during the time of Jacob was mentioned by Jesus Christ of Israel?