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MrPresident1:
The story of Adam and Eve is an allegory that is not meant to be taken literally, you all brain dead folks should wake up. You all lack understanding because you are all sinful people and unwilling to leave your sins so you can never and will never understand anything.

If you are unwilling to draw closer to God you will never understand anything.

How do you know? Are you wiser than Christ who took it literally? There are many things we don't understand and will never understand, and the universe is stranger than we can ever imagine. So just because something has non sequiturs doesn’t mean it didn't happen.

Jesus Christ is the Word of God. He is the Bible personified.

DaddyCoool:
How do you know? Are you wiser than Christ who took it literally? There are many things we don't understand and will never understand, and the universe is stranger than we can ever imagine. So just because something has non sequiturs doesn’t mean it didn't happen.

MrPresident1:
Jesus Christ is the Word of God. He is the Bible personified.

Christ quoted Genesis 1:27 and Genesis 2:24 when discussing marriage, making it clear Adam and Eve were literal first humans created and NOT allegorical.
Also Luke's Gospel traces Jesus's lineage back to Adam.

Instead of mentioning the church where people can learn to know the truth all of you are claiming you know while all the people around you are wrong!

DaddyCoool:
I can say what you believe is wrong and give reasons why I think so. But I'd also defend your right to believe it or to change belief as you see fit

MrPresident1:
You all lack understanding because you are all sinful people and unwilling to leave your sins so you can never and will never understand anything. If you are unwilling to draw closer to God you will never understand anything.

There is madness among you people and it's just unfortunate that you people are blind to it {2Corinthians 4:4} each of you says the other is wrong yet you claim you people worship the same Jesus!

MaxInDHouse:
Instead of mentioning the church where people can learn to know the truth all of you are claiming you know while all the people around you are wrong!





There is madness among you people and it's just unfortunate that you people are blind to it {2Corinthians 4:4} each of you says the other is wrong yet you claim you people worship the same Jesus!

The church is the people not a building. Unlike JW we don't have to go get official false doctrine from leaders and never deviate from it. We read the Bible ourselves and come to our own conclusion (though still open to discussion), NOT waiting for someone to tell us what to think!😆

MaxInDHouse:
Instead of mentioning the church where people can learn to know the truth all of you are claiming you know while all the people around you are wrong!

There is madness among you people and it's just unfortunate that you people are blind to it {2Corinthians 4:4} each of you says the other is wrong yet you claim you people worship the same Jesus!

Jehovah witness church of American

DaddyCoool:
The church is the people not a building. Unlike JW we don't have to go get official false doctrine from leaders and never deviate from it. We read the Bible ourselves and come to our own conclusion (though still open to discussion), NOT waiting for someone to tell us what to think!😆

MrPresident1:
Jehovah witness church of American

Unlike Jesus Christ who suspended the use of his brain only to preach and teach what his father told him:
"I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me." John 5:30

Unlike Apostles who suspended the use of their brains only to follow Jesus like zombies in whatever he teaches:
“If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake day after day and keep following me". Luke 9:23

Unlike those taught by the Apostles who suspended the use of their brains only to remain obedient to the teaching of Apostles:
"Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over you as those who will render an account, so that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you." Hebrews 13:7

For your information that's why Jesus is 100% sure that all his true disciples will have the same line of thought {John 17:20-23} because the same thought runs from Jehovah to Jesus to Apostles to disciples and there can never be any division among us {1Corinthians 1:10} the love unite us together as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers throughout the earth! John 13:34-35


But as for unah Satan rebelled against Jehovah and began promoting pride among you therefore from Satan to the least among you people it's arrogance all through leading to division and by the end of the day you people will resort to weapons fighting and killing one another yet claiming Jesus is your Lord! Matthew 7:21-23

DaddyCoool:
This is not true. I never said "anything". I said "something". Which of course implies something within reason - otherwise you'd have dead people walking around all.over the place because people believe, or Santa Clause walking around because children totally believe he exists!😆

Naa you wanted to sound like I was the unreasonable one who can't see your magic. What something can your magic get that I can't get without it? Can you magic yourself to become the richest man in the world? Or is your magic limited to what anybody can achieve anyway?

DaddyCoool:
1. How can they know eating the fruit was bad if they didn't know bad from good

they knew that the eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (K.G.E) was bad because God told them,in order words, the fruit of the tree gave them an inherit ability to know good and evil.

2. Why didn't they eat the tree of life all that time - and they were NOT forbidden from it. It said clearly they were banished so they won't eat it (NOT so they won't continue eating it)

They had not eaten from the tree of life.

3. Why was the Serpent created wise and tricky but not them, and then allowed access to them, knowing he can easily deceive them.

The Serpent was created wise and tricky subtle for some other purpose. People sharp knives knowing it could be used to kill but the purpose is different. Knowledge, abilities, things in general can be used for good or evil depending on the intention of the user. A doctor can use the his instrument to operate on a patient in order to save his life but he can also use it to kill him. Subtlety is also an attribute of wisdom.

Proverbs 1:4 To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion.

4. Eve, who was the one deceived, was not yet created when God gave Adam the instruction

However the instruction was passed down to her.

5. Omniscient God already knew they'd eat the fruit even before they were created

. God gave man free will, God does not use his Omniscient to override man's will unjustly.

6. Life also became difficult for animals even though they didn't eat any fruit

man was the head as far as the earth is concerned so through man the physical creation fell and through man they will be redeemed.

7. The Serpent's punishment was crawling on the ground, but that's what Serpents do, that's just their nature, and they do it effortlessly, and they're not the only ones who crawl.

Add yours

God is the creator of nature, the curse actually might have altered the Serpent's nature but above that a judgement upon Satan who was the Serpent. What you call nature today has already being cursed.

**Added:

8. What was Adam supposed to do, his wife now knew he was a slowpoke who did not even know he was naked. If he didn't eat the fruit, if you were his wife, would you stay married to a slowpoke with no self-awareness?🤣

same feminist enlightenment nonsense which is noting but gnosticsm. Calling disobedience to God self awareness just shows plain demonic. You seem to have embraced this new age satanic enlightenment. (Disgusting).
Both of them were naked but were not aware both became aware of their unclothedness after eating the forbidden fruit which was a sign of their spiritual death.

MaxInDHouse:
Instead of mentioning the church where people can learn to know the truth all of you are claiming you know while all the people around you are wrong!





There is madness among you people and it's just unfortunate that you people are blind to it {2Corinthians 4:4} each of you says the other is wrong yet you claim you people worship the same Jesus!

😂😂😂😂
Even fools think that they are right 😂😂😂!!!

Nothing wey aboki no go see for gate 😂😂😂

Max, Max🙃
Typical Max!!! 😂😂😂

Gabrielshow24:
😂😂😂😂
Even fools think that they are right 😂😂😂!!!
Nothing wey aboki no go see for gate 😂😂😂
Max, Max🙃
Typical Max!!! 😂😂😂

I'm 100% certain that your brain can't do anything here.
If you don't know why she called you here is it.

DaddyCoool:
1. How can they know eating the fruit was bad if they didn't know bad from good
2. Why didn't they eat the tree of life all that time - and they were NOT forbidden from it. It said clearly they were banished so they won't eat it (NOT so they won't continue eating it)
3. Why was the Serpent created wise and tricky but not them, and then allowed access to them, knowing he can easily deceive them
4. Eve, who was the one deceived, was not yet created when God gave Adam the instruction
5. Omniscient God already knew they'd eat the fruit even before they were created
6. Life also became difficult for animals even though they didn't eat any fruit
7. The Serpent's punishment was crawling on the ground, but that's what Serpents do, that's just their nature, and they do it effortlessly, and they're not the only ones who crawl.
Add yours
**Added:
8. What was Adam supposed to do, his wife now knew he was a slowpoke who did not even know he was naked. If he didn't eat the fruit, if you were his wife, would you stay married to a slowpoke with no self-awareness?🤣

I'm not the reason why you are here o!

MaxInDHouse:
I'm 100% certain that your brain can't do anything here.
If you don't know why she called you here is it.


I'm not the reason why you are here o!

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Blud is so repressed😂😂😂.
Just looking for avenue to lash out😅.
I'm not the cause of your wrong doctrine!!!

Gabrielshow24:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Blud is so repressed😂😂😂.
Just looking for avenue to lash out😅.
I'm not the cause of your wrong doctrine!!!

Mr Gabriel Time Waster.

Answer the OP!

DaddyCoool:
1. How can they know eating the fruit was bad if they didn't know bad from good

2. Why didn't they eat the tree of life all that time - and they were NOT forbidden from it. It said clearly they were banished so they won't eat it (NOT so they won't continue eating it)

3. Why was the Serpent created wise and tricky but not them, and then allowed access to them, knowing he can easily deceive them

4. Eve, who was the one deceived, was not yet created when God gave Adam the instruction

5. Omniscient God already knew they'd eat the fruit even before they were created

6. Life also became difficult for animals even though they didn't eat any fruit

7. The Serpent's punishment was crawling on the ground, but that's what Serpents do, that's just their nature, and they do it effortlessly, and they're not the only ones who crawl.

Add yours

**Added:

8. What was Adam supposed to do, his wife now knew he was a slowpoke who did not even know he was naked. If he didn't eat the fruit, if you were his wife, would you stay married to a slowpoke with no self-awareness?🤣

1) God told them the consequences of eating the fruit which was obviously bad.

They couldn't discern as at then but they could listen.
All what they did were based on instructions and one of those instructions elucidated the consequences of eating the fruit—Death.

2) there's no clear indication whether or not they ate from the tree of life 🤔 but there are reasons to suggest that didn't because of the Lord's retort to them after the fall.

Some might argue that they ate but it falls short because they died; thereby making the 'tree of life' no different to a 'mango' by sustaining one only for a 'short' season!!!

This also shouldn't have alarmed God if they were to eat from it again after 'devouring' from the tree of K.G.E.

The ripple effect suggests that they didn't eat from the tree of life 🤔!!!

3) there is no mention as to why the serpent was more wise or cunning than the beast of the field but there are reasons to suggests that it might have had 'external interaction' or it was simply just plain wise but mischievously so!

If it had interaction then it was doing the bidding of one whose name must not be mentioned👀—The Dark Lord!

Or it was inadvertently being inspired or fed such information 😅, obviously so, by the Dark Lord😵‍💫?

If it was just 'plain wise' then it did everything on its own accord and this 'event' was an opportune chance by the Devil to make man fall!

4) this is plain obvious!
Information would have been passed on to her!

Her statement confirms that also!

5) that's the aspect of being omniscient!
You see and know all possibilities!

It's now left to the 'players' to choose their paths.

6) it's a bye product of the ripple effect of man's sins.

The earth was cursed!
Women travailed in labor👀
Hence violence also would have erupted upon the surface of the earth in different forms!

7) The serpent crawling on the ground has two meanings the literal which suggests that they might not have been walking on their bellies initially and the metaphorical, which is a direct judgement to the personality of Satan!

Both, by your logic, will be idiots or morons as they didn't know they were naked!!!

The question is also inconsequential to the subject matter!

MaxInDHouse:
Mr Gabriel Time Waster.

Answer the OP!

😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫Mr Warden/Zoo Keeper!

Better go and check on your jailed "animals"😅

LordReed:
Naa you wanted to sound like I was the unreasonable one who can't see your magic. What something can your magic get that I can't get without it? Can you magic yourself to become the richest man in the world? Or is your magic limited to what anybody can achieve anyway?

YES!! If you are able to honestly see yourself as totally already that. But it doesn't go by comparison (richest), but that may happen by default. It's a power we just don't use because our brain is wired to believe things have to make sense when in fact the universe is NOT logical at all!😆. Quantum mechanics has proven it!

LordReed:
Naa you wanted to sound like I was the unreasonable one who can't see your magic. What something can your magic get that I can't get without it? Can you magic yourself to become the richest man in the world? Or is your magic limited to what anybody can achieve anyway?

Can you believe in a million years that something can be in more than one place at once or that something will not exist until YOU look at it?

In quantum mechanics there are infinite possibilities. A particle will be everywhere but will only materialise where you happen to look. Your attention makes it real at that spot. So also real life.

MaxInDHouse:
Unlike Jesus Christ who suspended the use of his brain only to preach and teach what his father told him:
"I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me." John 5:30

Unlike Apostles who suspended the use of their brains only to follow Jesus like zombies in whatever he teaches:
“If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake day after day and keep following me". Luke 9:23

Unlike those taught by the Apostles who suspended the use of their brains only to remain obedient to the teaching of Apostles:
"Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over you as those who will render an account, so that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you." Hebrews 13:7

For your information that's why Jesus is 100% sure that all his true disciples will have the same line of thought {John 17:20-23} because the same thought runs from Jehovah to Jesus to Apostles to disciples and there can never be any division among us {1Corinthians 1:10} the love unite us together as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers throughout the earth! John 13:34-35


But as for unah Satan rebelled against Jehovah and began promoting pride among you therefore from Satan to the least among you people it's arrogance all through leading to division and by the end of the day you people will resort to weapons fighting and killing one another yet claiming Jesus is your Lord! Matthew 7:21-23

They suspended their brains for God. You suspended yours for MEN! Corrupt men at that, with an agenda and a narrative they can't admit is wrong

DaddyCoool:
They suspended their brains for God. You suspended yours for MEN! Corrupt men at that, with an agenda and a narrative they can't admit is wrong

Jesus suspended the use of his brain for the (unseen God) Apostles suspended the use of their brains for Jesus (a man they can see) disciples suspended the use of their brains for apostles (men they can see)
So God has human representatives to whom we must be SUBMISSIVE! Hebrews 13:17

Steep:
they knew that the eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (K.G.E) was bad because God told them,in order words, the fruit of the tree gave them an inherit ability to know good and evil.

They had not eaten from the tree of life.

The Serpent was created wise and tricky subtle for some other purpose. People sharp knives knowing it could be used to kill but the purpose is different. Knowledge, abilities, things in general can be used for good or evil depending on the intention of the user. A doctor can use the his instrument to operate on a patient in order to save his life but he can also use it to kill him. Subtlety is also an attribute of wisdom.

Proverbs 1:4 To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion.

However the instruction was passed down to her.

. God gave man free will, God does not use his Omniscient to override man's will unjustly.

man was the head as far as the earth is concerned so through man the physical creation fell and through man they will be redeemed.

God is the creator of na nature, the curse actually might have altered the Serpent's nature. What you call nature today has already being cursed.

same feminist enlightenment nonsense which is noting but gnosticsm. Calling disobedience to God self awareness just shows plain demonic. You seem to have embraced this new age satanic enlightenment. (Disgusting)

1. They hadn't eaten the fruit and had no notion of good or bad

2. The question is why. WHY hadn't they eaten the tree of life all that time when they were clearly told about it and were NOT forbidden from eating it?

3. The question is WHY?
Why create him wise then allow him access to simple, gullible beings subject to deception and manipulation?

4 But she did not get it firsthand so it had much less power. Also, how was she sure Adam was not jiving her?

5. How does free will tally with them being DESTINED to do something?

6. Still doesn't explain why animals are being punished when they did nothing wrong

7. Compare to man's punishment. Suppose man's punishment was to be walking with their feet? Wouldn't that make sense?

8. No at all. How would you like to be married to a woman who did not know that walking around naked is bad - just like an animal?

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus suspended the use of his brain for the (unseen God) Apostles suspended the use of their brains for Jesus (a man they can see) disciples suspended the use of their brains for apostles (men they can see)
So God has human representatives to whom we must be SUBMISSIVE! Hebrews 13:17

Read your Bible. The apostles PRAISED the Bereans for NOT suspending their brains. Which is why today we have the Berean Bible

DaddyCoool:
Read your Bible. The apostles PRAISED the Bereans for NOT suspending their brains. Which is why today we have the Berean Bible

Of course they SUSPENDED their brains:


Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. ‭Acts 17:11 NIV‬


They believe in God using humans as His representatives what they ascertain is whether Jesus of Nazareth is truly the Christ as his disciples claimed. They began searching the scriptures to see all the fulfillment of prophecies that occurred during the life of Jesus and the ones that occurred during the time of His Apostles.

You don't have anything like that rather you are like the Pharisees who wants to teach people but never humble to learn from anyone instead you are saying if it's Apostles you will obey, the same thing Pharisees told Jesus, they said if it's Moses they will obey but Moses is just a prophet whose stories they are reading in the scriptures.

So if you can't present any group of people acting as apostles today it simply means you are not humble like the Beroeans who used what they found in the scriptures to ascertain that Jesus and his Apostles are God's representatives!

Gabrielshow24:
1) God told them the consequences of eating the fruit which was obviously bad.

They couldn't discern as at then but they could listen.
All what they did were based on instructions and one of those instructions elucidated the consequences of eating the fruit—Death.

2) there's no clear indication whether or not they ate from the tree of life 🤔 but there are reasons to suggest that didn't because of the Lord's retort to them after the fall.

Some might argue that they ate but it falls short because they died; thereby making the 'tree of life' no different to a 'mango' by sustaining one only for a 'short' season!!!

This also shouldn't have alarmed God if they were to eat from it again after 'devouring' from the tree of K.G.E.

The ripple effect suggests that they didn't eat from the tree of life 🤔!!!

3) there is no mention as to why the serpent was more wise or cunning than the beast of the field but there are reasons to suggests that it might have had 'external interaction' or it was simply just plain wise but mischievously so!

If it had interaction then it was doing the bidding of one whose name must not be mentioned👀—The Dark Lord!

Or it was inadvertently being inspired or fed such information 😅, obviously so, by the Dark Lord😵‍💫?

If it was just 'plain wise' then it did everything on its own accord and this 'event' was an opportune chance by the Devil to make man fall!

4) this is plain obvious!
Information would have been passed on to her!

Her statement confirms that also!

5) that's the aspect of being omniscient!
You see and know all possibilities!

It's now left to the 'players' to choose their paths.

6) it's a bye product of the ripple effect of man's sins.

The earth was cursed!
Women travailed in labor👀
Hence violence also would have erupted upon the surface of the earth in different forms!

7) The serpent crawling on the ground has two meanings the literal which suggests that they might not have been walking on their bellies initially and the metaphorical, which is a direct judgement to the personality of Satan!

Both, by your logic, will be idiots or morons as they didn't know they were naked!!!

The question is also inconsequential to the subject matter!

1. They were given two choices, one good, the other bad. They were TOLD this (not shown). They had no notion of good or bad. They just did stuff. How will such beings (who had no notion of unclothedness) even comprehend death.
They hadn't eaten the fruit and had no notion of good or bad!

2. The question is why. WHY hadn't they eaten the tree of life all that time when they were clearly told about it and were NOT forbidden from eating it?

3. The question is WHY?
Why create him wise then allow him access to simple, gullible beings subject to deception and manipulation?

4 But she did not get it firsthand so it had much less power. Also, how was she sure Adam was not jiving her? grin

5. How does free will tally with them being DESTINED to do something?

6. Still doesn't explain why animals are being punished when they did nothing wrong

7. Compare to man's punishment. Suppose man's punishment was to be walking with their feet? Would that make sense?

8. Nope. Eve ate the fruit before Adam. How would you like to be married to a woman who did not know that walking around naked is bad - just like an animal?
It is relevant because Adam had to eat the fruit to come up to the level of his wife!
I can imagine her saying, "You slowpoke, you're naked, NAKED!!"
And he replying confusedly, "What is "naked"?"😅

DaddyCoool:
1. They were given two choices, one good, the other bad. They were TOLD this (not shown). They had no notion of good or bad. They just did stuff. How will such beings (who had no notion of unclothedness) even comprehend death.
They hadn't eaten the fruit and had no notion of good or bad!

2. The question is why. WHY hadn't they eaten the tree of life all that time when they were clearly told about it and were NOT forbidden from eating it?

3. The question is WHY?
Why create him wise then allow him access to simple, gullible beings subject to deception and manipulation?

4 But she did not get it firsthand so it had much less power. Also, how was she sure Adam was not jiving her? grin

5. How does free will tally with them being DESTINED to do something?

6. Still doesn't explain why animals are being punished when they did nothing wrong

7. Compare to man's punishment. Suppose man's punishment was to be walking with their feet? Wouldn't that make sense?

8. No at all. How would you like to be married to a woman who did not know that walking around naked is bad - just like an animal?

Is this what you expected from Max?

Arguing what has been simplified by the faithful and discreet slave that Jesus appointed to TEACH us?

Well i'm not your type sha, your type will come arguing with you endlessly we are HUMBLE PEOPLE! Zephaniah 2:2-3; Matthew 5:5

MaxInDHouse:
Is this what you expected from Max?

Arguing what has been simplified by the faithful and discreet slave that Jesus appointed to TEACH us?

Well i'm not your type sha, your type will come arguing with you endlessly we are HUMBLE PEOPLE! Zephaniah 2:2-3; Matthew 5:5

Yep, Jesus appointed LYING, brainwashed JW insiders to teach you!

I can imagine Eve saying to Adam, "You slowpoke, you're naked, NAKED!!"
And he replying confusedly, "What is "naked"?"😅
My joke of the day!

DaddyCoool:
YES!! If you are able to honestly see yourself as totally already that. But it doesn't go by comparison (richest), but that may happen by default. It's a power we just don't use because our brain is wired to believe things have to make sense when in fact the universe is NOT logical at all!😆. Quantum mechanics has proven it!

DaddyCoool:
Can you believe in a million years that something can be in more than one place at once or that something will not exist until YOU look at it?

In quantum mechanics there are infinite possibilities. A particle will be everywhere but will only materialise where you happen to look. Your attention makes it real at that spot. So also real life.

LoLz. Any time you see someone try to use quantum mechanics to prove magic ,there's no need to bother, you know the person has gotten lost in some internet rabbit hole of kookie jargons.

DaddyCoool:
Yep, Jesus appointed LYING, brainwashed JW insiders to teach you!
I can imagine Eve saying to Adam, "You slowpoke, you're naked, NAKED!!"
And he replying confusedly, "What is "naked"?"😅
My joke of the day!

I can see how you've been confusing yourself with no one to teach you but it's ok faith is not a possession of all {2Thessalonians 3:2} so you can continue in your ignorance.

Adam and Eve are the only humans on earth that time so they lost their senses after rebelling against God not that they become wise.

If you and your husband are on a beach that belongs to only the two of you and nobody can come to the place do you need clothes to hide your body from your man?

That's exactly what happened to Adam and Eve but after their rebellion they began treating each other as strangers, the wife now felt her naked body shouldn't be exposed to her man again and the man also felt the same.

That was the beginning of trouble for the human race, faithless people only love exposing their bodies to their mate in marriage for a short time after some time they began seeing each other like strangers and the love start to diminish unlike when they first met.

Humility is one of the qualities that comes with the fruit of God's Holy Spirit {Galatians 5:22-23} so if you don't have it i'm sorry for you!

MaxInDHouse:
I can see how you've been confusing yourself with no one to teach you but it's ok faith is not a possession of all {2Thessalonians 3:2} so you can continue in your ignorance.

Adam and Eve are the only humans on earth that time so they lost their senses after rebelling against God not that they become wise.

If you and your husband are on a beach that belongs to only the two of you and nobody can come to the place do you need clothes to hide your body from your man?

That's exactly what happened to Adam and Eve but after their rebellion they began treating each other as strangers, the wife now felt her naked body shouldn't be exposed to her man again and the man also felt the same.

That was the beginning of trouble for the human race, faithless people only love exposing their bodies to their mate in marriage for a short time after some time they began seeing each other like strangers and the love start to diminish unlike when they first met.

Humility is one of the qualities that comes with the fruit of God's Holy Spirit {Galatians 5:22-23} so if you don't have it i'm sorry for you!

Oga sir, like the Bereans I read the Bible MYSELF and interpret it to the best of my ability with my God-given faculties - but open to better interpretations. I don't remove my brain like a slowpoke and agree that animals only kill for food or animals don't feel pain!

So why do animals not cover themselves though everybody is watching? Same reason - they have no notion of unclothedness. Has nothing to do with who is watching.

DaddyCoool:
1. They were given two choices, one good, the other bad. They were TOLD this (not shown). They had no notion of good or bad. They just did stuff. How will such beings (who had no notion of unclothedness) even comprehend death.
They hadn't eaten the fruit and had no notion of good or bad!

2. The question is why. WHY hadn't they eaten the tree of life all that time when they were clearly told about it and were NOT forbidden from eating it?

3. The question is WHY?
Why create him wise then allow him access to simple, gullible beings subject to deception and manipulation?

4 But she did not get it firsthand so it had much less power. Also, how was she sure Adam was not jiving her? grin

5. How does free will tally with them being DESTINED to do something?

6. Still doesn't explain why animals are being punished when they did nothing wrong

7. Compare to man's punishment. Suppose man's punishment was to be walking with their feet? Would that make sense?

8. Nope. Eve ate the fruit before Adam. How would you like to be married to a woman who did not know that walking around naked is bad - just like an animal?
It is relevant because Adam had to eat the fruit to come up to the level of his wife!
I can imagine her saying, "You slowpoke, you're naked, NAKED!!"
And he replying confusedly, "What is "naked"?"😅

1) they were told, if they had seen 'death', that would have been a deterrence!

There was no logged pattern of such within them.
They just believed because God told them so!

That's also part of the reasons that they fell.
They hadn't seen the consequences of death, they only heard! The same way we too have heard but have not 'empircally' seen the consequences of 'Death'!

Someone can convince us too by giving us half-truths🤔!

2) this question can be answered in two folds!
One, they had the fellowship of God hence there was no need—it didn't enter their minds!

It was when there was no fellowship that the tree of life became enticing.

When you have LIFE, you do not seek for another life!!!
God's life was with them.

Two, from the background info it shows that both the TKGE and TOL were very 'nuanced'.
Hence the reason for taking this two special🤔. This made them 'attend' to 'ordinary'👀 T's.

Why they made the two T's somewhat sacred might be because of the emphasis God placed on both🤔.
Still God's word was clear they could eat from the TOL hence the first reason seems more plausible coupled with the fact that you need Knowledge to determine what is life or death!

It seems like a divine script prepared for man to attain knowledge then from this knowledge, life or death proceeds!!!

3) God is very disposed to free will and that warrants free expression.
Hence it doesn't mean because of the fact that his expression turned out 'cunning' that he should keep 'him' away from them.

It's now left to them to hold onto the 'word' given to them irrespective of the "convincing". Arguments placed before them.

Hence from an higher abstraction.
He was a stumbling block.
One that man failed to overcome hence the need for the second Adam!!!

4) the same can be said of Adam!
How was he sure God wasn't pulling his legs?
He wasn't and couldn't.
The only thing he had was the fact that God told him so!
Followed by the signs from the Lord such as God allowing him to give "animals" names.
I wonder why he didn't give an animal the name, Max🤔, maybe the name wasn't even befitting enough for an animal!!!
All they had to do was to believe in God's word in essence God's word was the pinnacle but when they started entertaining other perspectives 🤔they landed into a pot of soup!!!

5) this will borderline make us digress into freewill vs destiny argument, something I don't have the energy to cover extensively 🤧.

My simple allusion is in the Lord's parable.
Destiny is the King's court, freewill is your choice to go!!!

Thus, in this case destiny would have been their continued existence in the Garden of God🤔 while 'free will' made them sin and have us👀

6)they are punished because they are part of our spiritual ecosystem.
To use Paul's words, when a member suffers the whole body suffers!!!

This shows the underlying interconnected attributes within creation!

7) the logic is plain, it suggests snake were not walking on their belly!
And by this logic, it would have also suggested man, too didn't walk on his two feet!!!
You are using 'presentism'👀 thereby committing a fallacy!
With a slight undertone of fallacy of ignorance 🤨!

The same problem the woman caused in the first place.
It's indeed true she brought man to her level!!🤨!

MaxInDHouse:
I can see how you've been confusing yourself with no one to teach you but it's ok faith is not a possession of all {2Thessalonians 3:2} so you can continue in your ignorance.

Adam and Eve are the only humans on earth that time so they lost their senses after rebelling against God not that they become wise.

If you and your husband are on a beach that belongs to only the two of you and nobody can come to the place do you need clothes to hide your body from your man?

That's exactly what happened to Adam and Eve but after their rebellion they began treating each other as strangers, the wife now felt her naked body shouldn't be exposed to her man again and the man also felt the same.

That was the beginning of trouble for the human race, faithless people only love exposing their bodies to their mate in marriage for a short time after some time they began seeing each other like strangers and the love start to diminish unlike when they first met.

Humility is one of the qualities that comes with the fruit of God's Holy Spirit {Galatians 5:22-23} so if you don't have it i'm sorry for you!

What kind of soft porn rhetoric are you passing across🤨?🤣🤣🤣🤣

Don't you think the world is going back to the 'original way'? 🤨

Many are now going unclad, shouldn't that be a good thing in your book.

They are no longer treating others as 'strangers'🤣🤣🤣.

They feel very 'natural' in their bodies🤨.
You are indeed a messenger of Satan!!!

StillDtruth:
It is obvious that your intention is to be annoying for if you were not a stupid devil you would have seen that it was Adam who dumped her when he discovered everything and called her Evil. And that is why till tomorrow evil devils like you live in the fear of being dumped.

Which is why you people try to dump guys first before they dump you.

So it is good that men are now seeing that you people are devils and the bona fide children of Satan and so they are no longer marrying you.

And so you people must die in frustration after living misery fully.

That's your fellow man you are replying to

This is blasphemy. You are going to hell

MaxInDHouse:
Unlike Jesus Christ who suspended the use of his brain only to preach and teach what his father told him: