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Speaklove:
You just admitted to vthe fact that injustice goes on in the world and some people are helpless in the face of their abuser .
Some of the conducts and judgement passed in the Nigerian judiciary is an example of how
Helpless humans can be if they do not have certain advantages like power,money influence authority .

Injustice ha always been part of the human history from age aeon ,and an atheistic world will further strengthen the corrupt system of this world that has silenced countless numbers of souls and condemned the innocent to death .

The world needs God - the inadequacy and the imperfection of the system as made that apparent

I didn't say there wasn't injustice before so that is moot.

The world needs people who will stand up against injustice NOW, not indulge in a stupid dream of a god who will tackle injustice only after we are dead.

Speaklove:
No!
But the opposite .

Then your words are contradictory. Reread what you posted

Speaklove:
They knew but nevertheless they still do what they wanted because man is instinctively or inherently evil .
But some of their good actions were carried out despite the marks of unworthiness that was on the beneficiary because they believe God will reward them in the after life even if man would be ungrateful .

What do you think could motivate you as an atheist to do good to your enemy who apparently seek your hurt even your death ?

These people you talk about could learn on the sacrificial lifestyle and death of Jesus to bless their enemies .

That's why atheists are potentially better people than theists. An atheist is benevolent out of the goodness of his/her heart, not because he or she is expecting an eternal gratification for the act.
I do many philanthropic actions myself, both in my work and outside it

jaephoenix:
That's why atheists are potentially better people than theists. An atheist is benevolent out of the goodness of his/her heart, not because he or she is expecting an eternal gratification for the act.
I do many philanthropic actions myself, both in my work and outside it

I don't think you've answered this part of he question below :

"What do you think could motivate you as an atheist to do good to your enemy who apparently seek your hurt even your death ?"

LordReed:
I didn't say there wasn't injustice before so that is moot.

The world needs people who will stand up against injustice NOW, not indulge in a stupid dream of a god who will tackle injustice only after we are dead.

Who do you think in the entire history of the world ever stood for the good men and gave more than Jesus Christ ; whose deeds has influenced people towards becoming luminaries of human welfares ?

Speaklove:
Who do you think in the entire history of the world ever stood for the good men and gave more than Jesus Christ ; whose deeds has influenced people towards becoming luminaries of human welfares ?

What did Jesus do to bring to justice to the people who were committing injustices in secret when he was supposedly on earth?

jaephoenix:
You are saying crimes are multiplying cos there’s no god. Are you saying god does not exist, or what?

I'm saying there many plaintiffs who wouldn't get justice in the human court because the world's system are corrupt ,and that would make the world justice system and imperfect one .

Many crimes would pass on as untouched and undisclosed because men's judgement can't discern them because of the insufficiency of the world's most sophisticated inventions .
Even artificial intelligence can't discern or judge some matters right because they are also dependent on human progressivism to advance .

The world is already dealing with so many issues of injustice or unintentional misjudgements and many people are already suffering for crime they no nothing about .

So unless they is a God many of theses people would die and end as victims of injustice .
But if there is a God who waits to judge in the afterlife then such persons would be avenged and get justice at the end .

LordReed:
What did Jesus do to bring to justice to the people who were committing injustices in secret when he was supposedly on earth?

Why are you shying away from the question ?

Well I will give this :

John 8:3-11
[3]The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought a woman they had caught in bed with a man who was not her husband. They forced her to stand in front of the people.
[4]They said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery.
[5]The Law of Moses commands us to stone to death any such woman. What do you say we should do?”
[6]They were saying this to trick Jesus. They wanted to catch him saying something wrong so that they could have a charge against him. But Jesus stooped down and started writing on the ground with his finger.
[7]The Jewish leaders continued to ask him their question. So he stood up and said, “Anyone here who has never sinned should throw the first stone at her.”
[8]Then Jesus stooped down again and wrote on the ground.
[9]When they heard this, they began to leave one by one. The older men left first, and then the others. Jesus was left alone with the woman standing there in front of him.
[10]He looked up again and said to her, “Where did they all go? Did no one judge you guilty?”
[11]She answered, “No one, sir.”
Then Jesus said, “I don’t judge you either. You can go now, but don’t sin again.”


You see they were convicted ,they all knew they were as guilty as her and Jesus used wisdom to deal with the situation .

He made them realize god knew of their secrets sins and their conscience bear witness

Speaklove:
Why are you shying away from the question ?

Well I will give this :

John 8:3-11
[3]The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought a woman they had caught in bed with a man who was not her husband. They forced her to stand in front of the people.
[4]They said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery.
[5]The Law of Moses commands us to stone to death any such woman. What do you say we should do?”
[6]They were saying this to trick Jesus. They wanted to catch him saying something wrong so that they could have a charge against him. But Jesus stooped down and started writing on the ground with his finger.
[7]The Jewish leaders continued to ask him their question. So he stood up and said, “Anyone here who has never sinned should throw the first stone at her.”
[8]Then Jesus stooped down again and wrote on the ground.
[9]When they heard this, they began to leave one by one. The older men left first, and then the others. Jesus was left alone with the woman standing there in front of him.
[10]He looked up again and said to her, “Where did they all go? Did no one judge you guilty?”
[11]She answered, “No one, sir.”
Then Jesus said, “I don’t judge you either. You can go now, but don’t sin again.”


You see they were convicted ,they all knew they were as guilty as her and Jesus used wisdom to deal with the situation .

He made them realize god knew of their secrets sins and their conscience bear witness

You are theone attempting to change the subject. The subject is injustice in secret, how is this an example of injustice in secret?

LordReed:
You are theone attempting to change the subject. The subject is injustice in secret, how is this an example of injustice in secret?

You Haven't answer the question I asked earlier .
Yes the subject is injustice ,secret sins ,and the weaknesses of the world's system .

Now this is connected to faith in God which brought Jesus into the discussion .

So answer the question

Speaklove:
You Haven't answer the question I asked earlier .
Yes the subject is injustice ,secret sins ,and the weaknesses of the world's system .

Now this is connected to faith in God which brought Jesus into the discussion .

So answer the question

Your question is not about secret injustices,don't change the subject. What did Jesus do to bring secret injustices to justice?

I think this needs to be here .
It's an excerpt from the story I wrote on the literature section titled " the testimony of a freed man ,two kingdoms one soul ."

(Lordreed you are invited to meditation )

Read and learn .

THE TESTIMONY OF A FREED MAN : TWO KINGDOMS ONE SOUL.

PAGE ~26 : THE DIVINE KNOWLEDGE .

Few minutes After the angry philosopher left ;
Someone walked close to me from behind and said "don't mind that foolish, and mad fellow !
He talks like a drunk mad man ;
He claims to use his mind but lives in self-delusion ."

Please stop !
I think that is not polite at all .
(I replied)

A man should be call wath he truly is my friend ; and I think that guy is a fool .
But with the way you spoke I'm afraid he has succeeded in deceiving you .

So if you chose to speak this way how do one defines you yourself ?

I am a freethinker .

But he claimed to be the same as yourself
(I replied)

What do you mean by that .

He also walks after the dictates of his own heart like yourself .
(I replied)

No he is a philosopher ,I am not .

But you are the same.
(I claimed )

Stop insulting me please I said we are different ,do you understand .

Ehm ...
I am sorry for speaking rashly
(She apologized)

(Then I took cognizance that I was actually speaking with a woman this time .)

THE WOMAN : Hmm .
So where are you heading to ?

ME: I am on my way to Eden ( I said shamefully )

THE WOMAN: on your way to Eden ?
In this twenty first century ?
Is it the same Eden I read about in some strange man made scriptures or some other place called Eden in this modern time ?

ME: Hmm ....
Y, yy,yy yes !
that one ( i stammered with a shamed face )

THE WOMAN: Ah !
You mean the Eden where Adam was claimed to have come from ?

ME: Ye, yyes !
That one (I replied with my gaze on the ground )

Hahahaha (she laughed )
Ah !
Religion has finished this one ooooooo
(she exclaimed)
Poor soul (she cried and and dropped a sigh )

THE WOMAN : So, Mr Eden-goer
What are you going there to do in Eden ?

ME: Ehm .
I'm going there to meet God .

THE WOMAN: God ?
Which God ?
What is it that you want from this so-called God that man can't do for you or you can't do for yourself ?

ME: Ehm ehm ehm ( I struggled for words )
(This lady would mock the hell out of me if i should tell her the truth .
Would she understand if I tell her what it is ?)
(I thought )

(Maybe you should tell her , you shouldn't judge a book merely by its cover ,what if she's got the cure to your problem )
( another though suggested )

or am I too harsh on you mister ?
(she asked ,and awoke me from my thoughts )

ME: Ehm ,actually ,actually ................


THE WOMAN: Actually what ?
Or you don't know where you are even going to ?
You must be a confused fellow

ME: No !
I am not confused ,And know where I am going to .
I am going to ask God to give me drink from the river of life and to give me food from the tree of life .
( I yelled out in anger having felt insulted by this unmannered lady )

THE WOMAN: You see !
I know which button to press to make you speak out ,and now I knew that idiot has deceived you indeed or you ended up deceiving each other .

(Then I knew she intentionally spoke the way she did just to force me speak out the hidden thoughts of my mind .
but now it's to late to be ashame.
I'm gonna give it to her raw has it is without without minding the consequences)
(I THOUGHT)


What is wrong with what I have said for God sake ?
(I asked the lady )

THE WOMAN: Everything !
Everything is totally wrong with what you've said for the sake of not using your brain .
Can't you get water to drink from these rivers by the road side ?
Are these not fruit to eat from
(she said pointing to the trees on the way side )
You want to go meet your sky daddy .
I wonder how you will get to this your delusional Eden talk less of meeting one fake God that is a product of human imaginations .

ME: those trees don't have any fruit that can deal with my hunger ,neither can the waters from these rivers quench my thirst .

THE WOMAN: How come ?
Are you different from others who have drank from those rivers and are satisfied ?
Or are you more human than those who ate from the fruits of these trees ?
You are just a self- righteous fellow .
(She accused me )


ME: No not at all .
it's just that there is an unexplainable hunger ,and thirst withing my spirit ,that I can't explain .

THE WOMAN: Your spirit ?
Man has no spirit .
MAN is COMPLETELY made off flesh ,so only you know what spirit you are talking about .

ME: You see !
I knew beforehand that you wouldn't understand what I'm going through;
I perceived from the very beginning that you're not spiritual ,but whoever is spiritual discerns all things .

THE WOMAN: Nothing like Spirituality my friend !
You are simply an uneducated slowpoke .
just take off your mind from these spiritual things and you would be fine .

ME: is taking off my mind the same as taking off reality ?

THE WOMAN: Yeah I love the word "reality "
Reality are things that are real not some man made spiritual stuff having no visible evidences .

ME: What do you mean by man made ?
Are these notions of yours not man made ?
Or were they from God ?
And by what criterion did you arrived at what definition reality should assumed ?

THE WOMAN: My claims are man made but self -checked ,and freely accepted.
But yours are man -made ,demands for faith ,and are forcefully accepted.
they ain't even real because you can't prove them .
You can't !

ME: What do you want me to prove ?

THE WOMAN: prove that man was created by God and let's see !

ME: What proves do you still need ?

THE WOMAN: What prove have you given ?

ME: from where did man got all the knowledge he has ?
Who taught man to live and behaves differently from the animals ?
Why is man's system of thinking different from all other species ? .
Why is it that even though man is the most intelligent VISIBLE being on earth yet he is limited in all things and depends on others to live comfortable ?
If he is the God of himself why didn't he modify himself into a more sophisticated being.

THE WOMAN: Everything you've said are claims my foolish friend .
You are yet to give me one single proof that man was created by a God .

ME: Okay if man was not created by God who created him then ?

THE WOMAN Have you not been to school before ?
Haven't they taught you on the the bing bang or on the subject of evolution ?

ME: That is also a mere claim and no evident for that .

THE WOMAN: But that is science ,and science has been able to provide proofs for many of its claims .

ME: is that science ?
that is human philosophy ,and human opinion .

No it is science (she argued)

what is the meaning of the word "SCIENCES ?"
(I asked )

well it means "KNOWLEDGE "
(She replied)

ME: so if what you've said is science
Then what I said earlier is also science which means knowledge .
The difference is : One is human knowledge ,and the other is divine knowledge.

THE WOMAN: but through that so-called human knowledge
Many inventions has been made ,and many lives have been changed if you don't know ,
But what has your divine knowledge done for humanity ?

ME: Through the divine knowledge of God all things that pertain to life and godliness has been given .(I replied)

Pertain to live and godliness !

What things is it that pertains to life and godliness ? (She asked )

ME: Well I would say you should guess what it could be ?

THE WOMAN: Money ,car houses ,children ,great family inheritance ,fame ,a spouse .

Are those What you think pertains to life and godliness ? ( I ASKED )

THE WOMAN: What is this life that you are talking about that I do not have already ?
I am alive already as you can see
What I don't have is your so called godliness


so you agree that you are not godly?
(I ASKED HER )

yes I do !
Yes I am not godly (SHE AFFIRMED )

So if you are not godly what do you think you are ? (I ASKED )

THE WOMAN: I am humane

You are Humane ?
How do you define being humane ? (I ASKED )

THE WOMAN : What do you mean ?
What are you trying to say ?

ME: What is your definition of being humane ?

THE WOMAN: Caring ,and showing concern for other of course .

ME: how would you define caring for others ?

THE WOMAN : Are you saying you don't know what caring for others means ?

ME: I know for myself but your own definition might differ from mine ?

THE WOMAN: Why do you say so ?

ME: if we differ in believes I think it is possible that we differ in thoughts .

THE WOMAN: Well it's Just me and you .

ME: No it's you and a lot of people apart from Myself . (I argued )

THE WOMAN: Meaning ?


ME: Many people would disagree with whatever anyone would say no natter what it is or who says it ,even though it might be the truth .

THE WOMAN: So who judges us , who Is it that would moderate on all things .

ME: God !
God is the judge .
Humans differs and argue because they understand how limited a human mind can be so they find it hard to maintain a truth without looking for a superior truth .
But with God lies the truth of all truth .

THE WOMAN:
What is this truth of all truth ?
What do you mean by that ?

ME: Divine knowledge !
Divine knowledge is the knowledge that is Superior to all other kinds of knowledge .

Divine knowledge ?
What exactly is this divine knowledge ?
(SHE ASKED )

ME: It is knowing God and acknowledging him .

THE WOMAN : Why should I know God ?

ME: Why should a child knows it father ?

THE WOMAN: Why shoud a child not know its father ?

ME: Why should man not know God ?

THE WOMAN: Why should man know God ?

ME: Why should a man not know is origin ?

THE WOMAN: What is the origin of man ?

ME: He was created by a supreme ,and spiritual being called God .

THE WOMAN: How do you know that ?

ME: It is divine knowledge ,and that is why you also should have it

Divine knowledge !
Hmm .
I think I would turn and stop this journey
(SHE SAID )

Stop to go where ? (I ASKED )

( She turned and went away sorrowing )
And said "I want to go find out the truth about this divine knowledge you've talked about
And as she went I saw written on her back the word "ATHEIST ."

I knew it !
I knew she must be an atheist
(I said to myself and Continued with my journey )

LordReed:
Your question is not about secret injustices,don't change the subject. What did Jesus do to bring secret injustices to justice?

It is !
In Christianity Jesus is assume to be the spiritual judge of the judgement day .

And you asked me about what God is doing about injustice and I had to refer to the one I believe in in order to properly answer your question .

Now I asked you to name persons in history whose life can be said to be influencial and affect the human welfare than the person of Jesus Christ .
But maybe you wanted to be a sophist or something .

Speaklove:
It is !
In Christianity Jesus is assume to be the spiritual judge of the judgement day .

And you asked me about what God is doing about injustice and I had to refer to the one I believe in in order to properly answer your question .

Now I asked you to name persons in history whose life can be said to be influencial and affect the human welfare than the person of Jesus Christ .
But maybe you wanted to be a sophist or something .

How does the influence of Jesus stop people from doing secret injustices?

A story only a Christian would make. LoLz. A Christian fantasy tale with very little that can be called real in the responses.

Speaklove:
I think this needs to be here .
It's an excerpt from the story I wrote on the literature section titled " the testimony of a freed man ,two kingdoms one soul ."

(Lordreed you are invited to meditation )

Read and learn .

THE TESTIMONY OF A FREED MAN : TWO KINGDOMS ONE SOUL.

PAGE ~26 : THE DIVINE KNOWLEDGE .

Few minutes After the angry philosopher left ;
Someone walked close to me from behind and said "don't mind that foolish, and mad fellow !
He talks like a drunk mad man ;
He claims to use his mind but lives in self-delusion ."

Please stop !
I think that is not polite at all .
(I replied)

A man should be call wath he truly is my friend ; and I think that guy is a fool .
But with the way you spoke I'm afraid he has succeeded in deceiving you .

So if you chose to speak this way how do one defines you yourself ?

I am a freethinker .

But he claimed to be the same as yourself
(I replied)

What do you mean by that .

He also walks after the dictates of his own heart like yourself .
(I replied)

No he is a philosopher ,I am not .

But you are the same.
(I claimed )

Stop insulting me please I said we are different ,do you understand .

Ehm ...
I am sorry for speaking rashly
(She apologized)

(Then I took cognizance that I was actually speaking with a woman this time .)

THE WOMAN : Hmm .
So where are you heading to ?

ME: I am on my way to Eden ( I said shamefully )

THE WOMAN: on your way to Eden ?
In this twenty first century ?
Is it the same Eden I read about in some strange man made scriptures or some other place called Eden in this modern time ?

ME: Hmm ....
Y, yy,yy yes !
that one ( i stammered with a shamed face )

THE WOMAN: Ah !
You mean the Eden where Adam was claimed to have come from ?

ME: Ye, yyes !
That one (I replied with my gaze on the ground )

Hahahaha (she laughed )
Ah !
Religion has finished this one ooooooo
(she exclaimed)
Poor soul (she cried and and dropped a sigh )

THE WOMAN : So, Mr Eden-goer
What are you going there to do in Eden ?

ME: Ehm .
I'm going there to meet God .

THE WOMAN: God ?
Which God ?
What is it that you want from this so-called God that man can't do for you or you can't do for yourself ?

ME: Ehm ehm ehm ( I struggled for words )
(This lady would mock the hell out of me if i should tell her the truth .
Would she understand if I tell her what it is ?)
(I thought )

(Maybe you should tell her , you shouldn't judge a book merely by its cover ,what if she's got the cure to your problem )
( another though suggested )

or am I too harsh on you mister ?
(she asked ,and awoke me from my thoughts )

ME: Ehm ,actually ,actually ................


THE WOMAN: Actually what ?
Or you don't know where you are even going to ?
You must be a confused fellow

ME: No !
I am not confused ,And know where I am going to .
I am going to ask God to give me drink from the river of life and to give me food from the tree of life .
( I yelled out in anger having felt insulted by this unmannered lady )

THE WOMAN: You see !
I know which button to press to make you speak out ,and now I knew that idiot has deceived you indeed or you ended up deceiving each other .

(Then I knew she intentionally spoke the way she did just to force me speak out the hidden thoughts of my mind .
but now it's to late to be ashame.
I'm gonna give it to her raw has it is without without minding the consequences)
(I THOUGHT)


What is wrong with what I have said for God sake ?
(I asked the lady )

THE WOMAN: Everything !
Everything is totally wrong with what you've said for the sake of not using your brain .
Can't you get water to drink from these rivers by the road side ?
Are these not fruit to eat from
(she said pointing to the trees on the way side )
You want to go meet your sky daddy .
I wonder how you will get to this your delusional Eden talk less of meeting one fake God that is a product of human imaginations .

ME: those trees don't have any fruit that can deal with my hunger ,neither can the waters from these rivers quench my thirst .

THE WOMAN: How come ?
Are you different from others who have drank from those rivers and are satisfied ?
Or are you more human than those who ate from the fruits of these trees ?
You are just a self- righteous fellow .
(She accused me )


ME: No not at all .
it's just that there is an unexplainable hunger ,and thirst withing my spirit ,that I can't explain .

THE WOMAN: Your spirit ?
Man has no spirit .
MAN is COMPLETELY made off flesh ,so only you know what spirit you are talking about .

ME: You see !
I knew beforehand that you wouldn't understand what I'm going through;
I perceived from the very beginning that you're not spiritual ,but whoever is spiritual discerns all things .

THE WOMAN: Nothing like Spirituality my friend !
You are simply an uneducated slowpoke .
just take off your mind from these spiritual things and you would be fine .

ME: is taking off my mind the same as taking off reality ?

THE WOMAN: Yeah I love the word "reality "
Reality are things that are real not some man made spiritual stuff having no visible evidences .

ME: What do you mean by man made ?
Are these notions of yours not man made ?
Or were they from God ?
And by what criterion did you arrived at what definition reality should assumed ?

THE WOMAN: My claims are man made but self -checked ,and freely accepted.
But yours are man -made ,demands for faith ,and are forcefully accepted.
they ain't even real because you can't prove them .
You can't !

ME: What do you want me to prove ?

THE WOMAN: prove that man was created by God and let's see !

ME: What proves do you still need ?

THE WOMAN: What prove have you given ?

ME: from where did man got all the knowledge he has ?
Who taught man to live and behaves differently from the animals ?
Why is man's system of thinking different from all other species ? .
Why is it that even though man is the most intelligent VISIBLE being on earth yet he is limited in all things and depends on others to live comfortable ?
If he is the God of himself why didn't he modify himself into a more sophisticated being.

THE WOMAN: Everything you've said are claims my foolish friend .
You are yet to give me one single proof that man was created by a God .

ME: Okay if man was not created by God who created him then ?

THE WOMAN Have you not been to school before ?
Haven't they taught you on the the bing bang or on the subject of evolution ?

ME: That is also a mere claim and no evident for that .

THE WOMAN: But that is science ,and science has been able to provide proofs for many of its claims .

ME: is that science ?
that is human philosophy ,and human opinion .

No it is science (she argued)

what is the meaning of the word "SCIENCES ?"
(I asked )

well it means "KNOWLEDGE "
(She replied)

ME: so if what you've said is science
Then what I said earlier is also science which means knowledge .
The difference is : One is human knowledge ,and the other is divine knowledge.

THE WOMAN: but through that so-called human knowledge
Many inventions has been made ,and many lives have been changed if you don't know ,
But what has your divine knowledge done for humanity ?

ME: Through the divine knowledge of God all things that pertain to life and godliness has been given .(I replied)

Pertain to live and godliness !

What things is it that pertains to life and godliness ? (She asked )

ME: Well I would say you should guess what it could be ?

THE WOMAN: Money ,car houses ,children ,great family inheritance ,fame ,a spouse .

Are those What you think pertains to life and godliness ? ( I ASKED )

THE WOMAN: What is this life that you are talking about that I do not have already ?
I am alive already as you can see
What I don't have is your so called godliness


so you agree that you are not godly?
(I ASKED HER )

yes I do !
Yes I am not godly (SHE AFFIRMED )

So if you are not godly what do you think you are ? (I ASKED )

THE WOMAN: I am humane

You are Humane ?
How do you define being humane ? (I ASKED )

THE WOMAN : What do you mean ?
What are you trying to say ?

ME: What is your definition of being humane ?

THE WOMAN: Caring ,and showing concern for other of course .

ME: how would you define caring for others ?

THE WOMAN : Are you saying you don't know what caring for others means ?

ME: I know for myself but your own definition might differ from mine ?

THE WOMAN: Why do you say so ?

ME: if we differ in believes I think it is possible that we differ in thoughts .

THE WOMAN: Well it's Just me and you .

ME: No it's you and a lot of people apart from Myself . (I argued )

THE WOMAN: Meaning ?


ME: Many people would disagree with whatever anyone would say no natter what it is or who says it ,even though it might be the truth .

THE WOMAN: So who judges us , who Is it that would moderate on all things .

ME: God !
God is the judge .
Humans differs and argue because they understand how limited a human mind can be so they find it hard to maintain a truth without looking for a superior truth .
But with God lies the truth of all truth .

THE WOMAN:
What is this truth of all truth ?
What do you mean by that ?

ME: Divine knowledge !
Divine knowledge is the knowledge that is Superior to all other kinds of knowledge .

Divine knowledge ?
What exactly is this divine knowledge ?
(SHE ASKED )

ME: It is knowing God and acknowledging him .

THE WOMAN : Why should I know God ?

ME: Why should a child knows it father ?

THE WOMAN: Why shoud a child not know its father ?

ME: Why should man not know God ?

THE WOMAN: Why should man know God ?

ME: Why should a man not know is origin ?

THE WOMAN: What is the origin of man ?

ME: He was created by a supreme ,and spiritual being called God .

THE WOMAN: How do you know that ?

ME: It is divine knowledge ,and that is why you also should have it

Divine knowledge !
Hmm .
I think I would turn and stop this journey
(SHE SAID )

Stop to go where ? (I ASKED )

( She turned and went away sorrowing )
And said "I want to go find out the truth about this divine knowledge you've talked about
And as she went I saw written on her back the word "ATHEIST ."

I knew it !
I knew she must be an atheist
(I said to myself and Continued with my journey )

Speaklove:
Why are you shying away from the question ?

Well I will give this :

John 8:3-11
[3]The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought a woman they had caught in bed with a man who was not her husband. They forced her to stand in front of the people.
[4]They said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery.
[5]The Law of Moses commands us to stone to death any such woman. What do you say we should do?”
[6]They were saying this to trick Jesus. They wanted to catch him saying something wrong so that they could have a charge against him. But Jesus stooped down and started writing on the ground with his finger.
[7]The Jewish leaders continued to ask him their question. So he stood up and said, “Anyone here who has never sinned should throw the first stone at her.”
[8]Then Jesus stooped down again and wrote on the ground.
[9]When they heard this, they began to leave one by one. The older men left first, and then the others. Jesus was left alone with the woman standing there in front of him.
[10]He looked up again and said to her, “Where did they all go? Did no one judge you guilty?”
[11]She answered, “No one, sir.”
Then Jesus said, “I don’t judge you either. You can go now, but don’t sin again.”


You see they were convicted ,they all knew they were as guilty as her and Jesus used wisdom to deal with the situation .

He made them realize god knew of their secrets sins and their conscience bear witness

What is the correlation of this fairy tale to our discourse?

Speaklove:
You Haven't answer the question I asked earlier .
Yes the subject is injustice ,secret sins ,and the weaknesses of the world's system .

Now this is connected to faith in God which brought Jesus into the discussion .

So answer the question

What question? And what has that passage gotta do with us?

Speaklove:
I don't think you've answered this part of he question below :

"What do you think could motivate you as an atheist to do good to your enemy who apparently seek your hurt even your death ?"

Because I have CONSCIENCE

Speaklove:
Who do you think in the entire history of the world ever stood for the good men and gave more than Jesus Christ ; whose deeds has influenced people towards becoming luminaries of human welfares ?

Jesus Christ, (if he existed) never did all those things recorded in the Bible. No evidence

Speaklove:
I'm saying there many plaintiffs who wouldn't get justice in the human court because the world's system are corrupt ,and that would make the world justice system and imperfect one .

Many crimes would pass on as untouched and undisclosed because men's judgement can't discern them because of the insufficiency of the world's most sophisticated inventions .
Even artificial intelligence can't discern or judge some matters right because they are also dependent on human progressivism to advance .

The world is already dealing with so many issues of injustice or unintentional misjudgements and many people are already suffering for crime they no nothing about .

So unless they is a God many of theses people would die and end as victims of injustice .
But if there is a God who waits to judge in the afterlife then such persons would be avenged and get justice at the end .

Do you have any evidence that yhwh would bring justice to the universe?

jaephoenix:
Jesus Christ, (if he existed) never did all those things recorded in the Bible. No evidence

Do You mean historical evidence ?

jaephoenix:
Because I have CONSCIENCE

How would you define conscience ?

LordReed:
A story only a Christian would make. LoLz. A Christian fantasy tale with very little that can be called real in the responses.

Fantasy ?
We experience such almost every in this forum ,and that is what's going on between us right now .

Speaklove:
Fantasy ?
We experience such almost every in this forum ,and that is what's going on between us right now .

This part for instance:

ME: It is divine knowledge ,and that is why you also should have it

Divine knowledge !
Hmm .
I think I would turn and stop this journey
(SHE SAID )

Stop to go where ? (I ASKED )

( She turned and went away sorrowing )
And said "I want to go find out the truth about this divine knowledge you've talked about
And as she went I saw written on her back the word "ATHEIST ."

I knew it !
I knew she must be an atheist

LoLz. Pure Christian fantasy.

Speaklove:
Most (if not all ) Atheists speak evil about religion; condemn all religions as if only religious people are committing all the evil in the world .

Recently, I read a book written by an atheist and the author took time to explain why religion is evil and how it is unsafe for the world .
And yet the same author printed out some reasons why some people embrace religion as follows :the need to be cared for ,the need to be helped ,the need for love and the satisfaction that comes from knowing that someone (God) cares for you ; all of which atheism ironically has no replacement for .
(not even its organised system can replace that ).

Many people find comfort and help from their various religious groups .
they get supported with money to pay school fees ,medical fees ,marriage or naming ceremonies ,food stuff etcetera .
The atheists community might be able to replace or replicate these within their comrades but they can't replace the inner satisfaction that comes with knowing that there is a higher entity up there who would be there for you in the darkest moments of your life or in a situations you might not be able to tell anyone .

(Some people are going through some sort of problems which they wouldn't want to tell anyone because they've experienced how helpless and hopeless a man could be sometime even in the face of the world's most sophisticated systems and channels of help because their problems seems to defy very solutions men have provided )

The level of evil and injustice that goes on in this world is a clear reflection of how unbearable and painful living in this world would have been without God for many people of faith .

There are many people who have been unjustly dealt with even in the western or the so-called civilized world ,and these people have resorted to trusting in God when it became obvious that the system of the world would most times favour those with privileges; and at the end they saw themselves come out victorious because an invisible entity who has power beyond the corrupt and imperfect system of this world came to their aid.

There are many atheist who will read this article or post of mine who wouldn't be able to beat their chest that they had never been unjustly dealt with or cheated or stole from and had to resign to faith .


Can atheist provide justice for every single injustice or error or sin mated against humanity ?

Do humans have the capacity to handle every circumstances of life without having to deal with unintentional human error .
Like .


Many people are currently in jail who were wrongly but unintentionally assume for have committed crimes they never did ; how would such people get justice if there is no God who sees beyond the natural and has the capacity to judge and reward , acquit or condemn in the after life ?

These are some of the issues atheism and ( a world without God or a spiritual judge ) can dealt with .

How would a thief who never got caught be punished for his evil ?

How much evil can a CCTV camera capture if there is no spiritual entity who can see beyond the reach of men into the secrets of dark places ?

These are some of the problems and inadequacy a world without a higher spiritual being can't handle .


Atheist are committing crimes the same way religious people are doing .
China has a large atheist population and an atheist friendly government and yet it has records of human rights abuses .

America ,UK, Germany and France all have a growing atheist communities and yet the immorality and crime rates is nothing to write home about .

If you say all religions are evil because of what religious people are doing then tell us how atheism is devoid of evil because of what atheists are doing right .

Do you know that more than 90℅ of the people claiming to be atheists do consult diviners or some kind of protection?

KNOWMORE56:
Do you know that more than 90℅ of the people claiming to be atheists do consult diviners or some kind of protection?

LoLz! How many atheists do you know personally?

KNOWMORE56:
Do you know that more than 90℅ of the people claiming to be atheists do consult diviners or some kind of protection?

Interesting. How did u arrive at this 'important' statistics?

Speaklove:
How would you define conscience ?

Its what keeps us moral

When you think deeply about those guys confidently claiming atheists, agnostics and freethinkers majority of them have conscience that most religionists lack in fact it's the evil deeds of high ranking religionists that makes many rejects faith in God. Matthew 24:12

Though the only evidence of God's existence will render your religion false because true faith is demonstratable {Hebrews 11:1} and it works in the minds of adherents {1Thessalonians 2:13} making them act as at when due. James 2:26

jaephoenix:
Its what keeps us moral

(I'm back !)

How would you define morality ?

And if you say there is a thing such as morality
Then you're equally saying there is immorality .
Now what is the definition of immorality ?

KNOWMORE56:
Do you know that more than 90℅ of the people claiming to be atheists do consult diviners or some kind of protection?

In the coming days we shall see the organisation of atheism as almost as a religion could be .

They will meet in buildings .
Hold services with congregations .
Sing songs and share gifts .

Some will even go as far as naming atheism as the perfect idea of what religion should be if mankind ever need one .

It is happening already .

Speaklove:


In the coming days we shall see the organisation of atheism as almost as a religion could be .

They will meet in buildings .
Hold services with congregations .
Sing songs and share gifts .

Some will even go as far as naming atheism as the perfect idea of what religion should be if mankind ever need one .

It is happening already .

Christianity doesn't hold the patent rights to meeting in buildings, holding religious services, singing songs or sharing gifts. These were all community building tools that existed before the advent of your religion. Why do you think it should be exclusive to only Christians? Any group of like minded people will want to meet together so what is the big deal in it? Do you think people in a stadium meeting together and singing are imitating your religion?