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DaddyCoool:
You are the one talking foolish sir.
1+1=11 is illogical in our normal world BUT quite logical in the binary world

You are the dumb one looking at binary and expecting it to be decimal. Dumb and deluded.

MaxInDHouse:
Unlike Jesus Christ who suspended the use of his brain only to preach and teach what his father told him:
"I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me." John 5:30

Unlike Apostles who suspended the use of their brains only to follow Jesus like zombies in whatever he teaches:
“If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake day after day and keep following me". Luke 9:23

Unlike those taught by the Apostles who suspended the use of their brains only to remain obedient to the teaching of Apostles:
"Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over you as those who will render an account, so that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you." Hebrews 13:7

For your information that's why Jesus is 100% sure that all his true disciples will have the same line of thought {John 17:20-23} because the same thought runs from Jehovah to Jesus to Apostles to disciples and there can never be any division among us {1Corinthians 1:10} the love unite us together as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers throughout the earth! John 13:34-35


But as for unah Satan rebelled against Jehovah and began promoting pride among you therefore from Satan to the least among you people it's arrogance all through leading to division and by the end of the day you people will resort to weapons fighting and killing one another yet claiming Jesus is your Lord! Matthew 7:21-23

You are right. Jesus Christ preached what his Father told him, not what the JW told him. He did not preach falsehood. We, too, must preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and not present a false church.

DaddyCoool:
For a long time thoughts and imagination were observed to seemingly affect reality then QM came along and provided physical instance where that actually happens!

Dumdum thoughts don't affect QM. The observer effect is measurement not thought you deluded twât.

LordReed:
You are the dumb one looking at binary and expecting it to be decimal. Dumb and deluded.

I have followed the thread. DaddyCool is actually very smart, and just because you can't present satisfactory answers is no reason to call her dumb.
Go do more research and come up with better answers, no need to insult.

LordReed:
You are the dumb one looking at binary and expecting it to be decimal. Dumb and deluded.

So u understand binary system is illogical in our everyday decimal system.
So also particles behavior in the quantum workd is illogical in our macro world, though you can set up a system of logic in the quantum world where all those characteristics would be logical and intuitive

tctrills:
I have followed the thread. DaddyCool is actually very smart, and just because you can't present satisfactory answers is no reason to call her dumb.
Go do more research and come up with better answers, no need to insult.

Please tell him. The oga is only good at insult. Thank you very much

DaddyCoool:
So u understand binary system is illogical in our everyday decimal system.
So also particles behavior in the quantum workd is illogical in our macro world, though you can set up a system of logic in the quantum world where all those characteristics would be logical and intuitive

You went to the airport and they said produce your ID before you board the plane, argue with them that they are illogical because you entered a bus without ID whether you won't look like a fool.

Redefining stuff just to fit your jargons is intellectual dishonesty and unfortunately ignorant people like you will keep falling for such pathetic tactics.

LordReed:
Dumdum thoughts don't affect QM. The observer effect is measurement not thought you deluded twât.

Mere observation which is same as thought not necessarily measurement - they are there only when you look!

tctrills:
I have followed the thread. DaddyCool is actually very smart, and just because you can't present satisfactory answers is no reason to call her dumb.
Go do more research and come up with better answers, no need to insult.

LoLz. I just finished predicting that ignorant ones will fall for such pathetic schemes and here you come. The argument is straightforward, calling a system that can be predicted with high accuracy illogical is the work of dunces.

DaddyCoool:
Mere observation which is same as thought not necessarily measurement - they are there only when you look!

LoLz. You cannot observe quantum particles without measurement. Abeg stop talking jargons you don't know.

DaddyCoool:
Please tell him. The oga is only good at insult. Thank you very much

LoLz. When you people start with insult e go dey sweet you but when you receive it back you start crying crocodile tears.

DaddyCoool:
I think you missed this my post:

Both "illogical" and "counterintuitive" describe something that doesn't make sense or follow a predictable pattern. All these are counter to logic of our macro world (normal meaning of logic, as I emphasized). Of course anything can be logical within it's own context, but that's not what we're talking about. You may create a system of logic based on the quantum world and have all these logical and even intuitive, but we're talking from perspective of our macro world!

Just because you've only ever been familiar with "macro world logic" doesn't mean it has now become the ultimate arbiter for making sense of things. And just because QM challenges macro-scaled assumptions doesn't mean it poses any particular challenge to formal logic itself. So there's absolutely no need to impose our own logic rules on the quantum realm. QM already operates within its own logical framework.

Meanwhile let's come back to your argument that counterintuitive and illogical are synonymous. My Economics knowledge is not the strongest but I'll try and use it to try and illustrate the difference to you.

Normally, common sense (intuition) will have us believe that after the government has now increased the minimum wage to 70k, then poverty in the country will reduce to an extent, thereby enabling economic growth. That's common sense thinking, right?

But the reality is that labor costs are going to increase, which means that a lot of businesses could be going through the wringer. To manage costs, employment opportunities might become more limited. Doesn't this seem "counterintuitive"? Afterall, we're all expecting the welfare and livelihood of civil servants to improve with the 70k increase abi?

So yes, it's counterintuitive. But it's still logical. How tho?

Well, it still follows principles about price floors in the labor markets e.g increase in price makes employers to demand less labor, potentially reducing hours or positions. All of that is perfectly explained by economic theory and there are no internal contradictions in these principles.

I don't know if I'm explaining these things correctly but I sincerely hope you get the point cause my head don dey pain me and I wan sleep.

LordReed:
You went to the airport and they said produce your ID before you board the plane, argue with them that they are illogical because you entered a bus without ID whether you won't look like a fool.

Redefining stuff just to fit your jargons is intellectual dishonesty and unfortunately ignorant people like you will keep falling for such pathetic tactics.

Huh? Airport what? I don't know what you're talking about. All I know is that our macro world it is ILLIOGICAL for something to be there only when there's an observer!

DaddyCoool:
For a long time thoughts and imagination were observed to seemingly affect reality then QM came along and provided physical instance where that actually happens!

Madam abi Oga, QM doesn't explain how thoughts influence reality. Rest. 😩

FiveFootNinja:
Madam abi Oga, QM doesn't explain how thoughts influence reality. Rest. 😩

Oga abi madam, never said it explained anything. It demonstrated it though

DaddyCoool:
Huh? Airport what? I don't know what you're talking about. All I know is that our macro world it is ILLIOGICAL for something to be there only when there's an observer!

LoLz. Ahh, you've never been to an airport sorry.

WTF are you on about? Quantum particles are always there. You don't even know what you are saying and tctrills thinks you are smart. What a shame. LoLz.

DaddyCoool:
Oga abi madam, never said it explained anything. It demonstrated it though

What are we even talking about here? What is QM demonstrating? The manifestation of reality from the transformation of human consciousness? Abi is it the mere act of observation itself?

I dey go sleep abeg. Will continue tomorrow.

LordReed:
LoLz. You cannot observe quantum particles without measurement. Abeg stop talking jargons you don't know.

You're the one talking nonsense sir.
We don't directly "see" quantum particles in the way we see macroscopic objects. Instead, we observe their effects on other particles or devices, allowing us to infer their properties and behavior.

FiveFootNinja:
Just because you've only ever been familiar with "macro world logic" doesn't mean it has now become the ultimate arbiter for making sense of things. And just because QM challenges macro-scaled assumptions doesn't mean it poses any particular challenge to formal logic itself. So there's absolutely no need to impose our own logic rules on the quantum realm. QM already operates within its own logical framework.

Meanwhile let's come back to your argument that counterintuitive and illogical are synonymous. My Economics knowledge is not the strongest but I'll try and use it to try and illustrate the difference to you.

Normally, common sense (intuition) will have us believe that after the government has now increased the minimum wage to 70k, then poverty in the country will reduce to an extent, thereby enabling economic growth. That's common sense thinking, right?

But the reality is that labor costs are going to increase, which means that a lot of businesses could be going through the wringer. To manage costs, employment opportunities might become more limited. Doesn't this seem "counterintuitive"? Afterall, we're all expecting the welfare and livelihood of civil servants to improve with the 70k increase abi?

So yes, it's counterintuitive. But it's still logical. How tho?

Well, it still follows principles about price floors in the labor markets e.g increase in price makes employers to demand less labor, potentially reducing hours or positions. All of that is perfectly explained by economic theory and there are no internal contradictions in these principles.

I don't know if I'm explaining these things correctly but I sincerely hope you get the point cause my head don dey pain me and I wan sleep.

It is not a question of what I'm familiar with, it is a question of from what perspective we'er talking.
From the perspective of our everyday macro world it is ILLOGICAL and will always be for something to exist only when it's being observed.

Your economics analogy does not apply. For our purposes here we need a word that describes something that doesn't make sense or follow a predictable pattern. Both "illogical" and "counterintuitive" fit the bill

DaddyCoool:
You're the one talking nonsense sir.
We don't directly "see" quantum particles in the way we see macroscopic objects. Instead, we observe their effects on other particles or devices, allowing us to infer their properties and behavior.

Dumdum we have to measure them to make those observations.

You remind me of some other person that came awhile ago talking about Einstein and Musk like a fanatic. Sure you didn't just change monikers? LoLz.

LordReed:
LoLz. Ahh, you've never been to an airport sorry.

WTF are you on about? Quantum particles are always there. You don't even know what you are saying and tctrills thinks you are smart. What a shame. LoLz.

You know what I mean.
Ok, use another example: it is illogical for a particles to appear on the other side of a solid it cannot possibly pass through. Is that good enough for ya?

DaddyCoool:
It is not a question of what I'm familiar with, it is a question of from what perspective we'er talking.
From the perspective of our everyday macro world it is ILLOGICAL and will always be for something to exist only when it's being observed.

Your economics analogy does not apply. For our purposes here we need a word that describes something that doesn't make sense or follow a predictable pattern. Both "illogical" and "counterintuitive" fit the bill

You posted something with superposition on it and yet you are still saying it doesn't exist until observation. Have you even read what QM is about or are you just regurgitating what you barely understood from the internet rabbit hole you fell in?

FiveFootNinja:
What are we even talking about here? What is QM demonstrating? The manifestation of reality from the transformation of human consciousness? Abi is it the mere act of observation itself?

I dey go sleep abeg. Will continue tomorrow.

It is demonstrating that at core the universe is NOT logical. Objects don't miraculously appear on the other side of a solid they can't pass through

DaddyCoool:
You know what I mean.
Ok, use another example: it is illogical for a particles to appear on the other side of a solid it cannot possibly pass through. Is that good enough for ya?

OMFD! Do you know the size of quantum particles compared to the atoms that make up a solid? By Orion's Beard you are so terrible at this.

LordReed:
Dumdum we have to measure them to make those observations.

You remind me of some other person that came awhile ago talking about Einstein and Musk like a fanatic. Sure you didn't just change monikers? LoLz.

You don't measure them directly.
Sir, I've only ever had this one moniker and I've had it for a long time - maybe u think everyone is like you

LordReed:
You posted something with superposition on it and yet you are still saying it doesn't exist until observation. Have you even read what QM is about or are you just regurgitating what you barely understood from the internet rabbit hole you fell in?

You know what I mean: it doesn't exist at that spot!!! Everything exists including your alternate selves if any!
Read below some "illogicalities" of QM, let's see who fell into a rabbit hole

DaddyCoool:
Read below some "illogicalities" of QM, let's see who fell into a rabbit hole

Show where it says quantum particles or any of its states don't exist until observed.

LordReed:
OMFD! Do you know the size of quantum particles compared to the atoms that make up a solid? By Orion's Beard you are so terrible at this.

Why not research it. It is called "tunnelling". They "pass through" barriers they can't pass through

DaddyCoool:
You don't measure them directly.
Sir, I've only ever had this one moniker and I've had it for a long time - maybe u think everyone is like you

You have to conduct measurements not mere thoughts. LoLz.

Like me? I certainly hope not. Then there won't be people like you who we can school or clown on.

DaddyCoool:
Why not research it. It is called "tunnelling". They "pass through"barriers they didn't pass through

LoLz. I think English is your problem. Where does it say "They "pass through"barriers they didn't pass through"?

LordReed:
Show where it says quantum particles or any of its states don't exist until observed.

You keep talking foolish sir.

They don't exist AT THAT SPOT!!!! How many times will I say that. Just as in "your alternative selves exist but don't exist here till you "download" them"

LordReed:
You have to conduct measurements not mere thoughts. LoLz.

Like me? I certainly hope not. Then there won't be people like you who we can school or clown on.

Indirect measurements are akin to thoughts.
Quantum particles can't be directly measured.

If I'm measuring the moon to determine the position of the sun...