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dentalux:
Today, I just want to share with you what happens in the UK job market. People here should stop blaming people who decide to go for care visa without trying professional jobs.. The truth is the spirit of labour market test is still in place. My flatmate mate got a job within the civil service and resumed. When it came to the issue of sponsorship the Labour market test was applied on him. He was told he could not be sponsored and that the role is not a hard to fill role and could be sourced from the UK labour market. He showed me the letter which i read.. This is just to tell someone looking for sponsorship. Pray for direction what works for A may not work for B. even if the company has a license. .

Please can you share the role? Someone recently got a finance role in higher education sector and he’s resign from his current job. Although he already completed the COs request form shared by the HR but yet to get response. this your comment scare me oo hope they won’t later do labour test on him.

hyzich:
Please can you share the role? Someone recently got a finance role in higher education sector and he’s resign from his current job. Although he already completed the COs request form shared by the HR but yet to get response. this your comment scare me oo hope they won’t later do labour test on him.

They have given. Those ones don't waste time. University and NHs don't waste time. They have issued him the COS nothing to worry about.

Goke7:
Just a suggestion, you already have an appointment why don’t you wait to attend that first, going on the contactless app might amount to double application unless if there’s a feature on the app that recognises an existing application. Just my thoughts

I stopped sef when I saw $100 as contactless fee in addition to over $200 already paid for the application for the passport itself. Just like u said, since I already have an appointment, I will just honour it. See kent see London lol.
Thanks for the suggestion

dentalux:
Today, I just want to share with you what happens in the UK job market. People here should stop blaming people who decide to go for care visa without trying professional jobs.. The truth is the spirit of labour market test is still in place. My flatmate mate got a job within the civil service and resumed. When it came to the issue of sponsorship the Labour market test was applied on him. He was told he could not be sponsored and that the role is not a hard to fill role and could be sourced from the UK labour market. He showed me the letter which i read.. This is just to tell someone looking for sponsorship. Pray for direction what works for A may not work for B. even if the company has a license. .

This is even beyond sponsorship, not trying to raise an alarm but looks like there’s a silent trend going on underground to begin to even deny ethnic minorities career opportunities. No thanks to the demonisation of DEI in America which is beginning to creep in here unnoticed as organisations have no choice than to dance to the tune of the so called Global powers. No matter where you are and what status there is need to be open minded and keep your options open even outside the uk. Even the streets like we say in naija are not smiling! My thoughts, experience and observations which may differ from other peoples’ views and experiences.

dentalux:
Today, I just want to share with you what happens in the UK job market. People here should stop blaming people who decide to go for care visa without trying professional jobs.. The truth is the spirit of labour market test is still in place. My flatmate mate got a job within the civil service and resumed. When it came to the issue of sponsorship the Labour market test was applied on him. He was told he could not be sponsored and that the role is not a hard to fill role and could be sourced from the UK labour market. He showed me the letter which i read.. This is just to tell someone looking for sponsorship. Pray for direction what works for A may not work for B. even if the company has a license. .

This is the unpleasant reality for corporate roles nowadays.

I had my share of this unpleasant situation today. I have been with the NHS for 20 months; started as a B5, progressed to B6 and recently secured a B7. I received the sad news today that the new Trust would not be able to sponsor for a finance role because there is no funding.

It is really unreasonable to deny a qualified candidate visa sponsorship because of £2k when the pay for that role is 25x the Immigration skills charge. Applicants should be the one complaining about the £4k visa and IHS fee, not the employer.

The only hope I have now is for my current employer to make good their promise of 1 year ago to sponsor my visa, otherwise, my friends who have been advising me to leave career and pursue care visa would say "We told you"

Arap:
This is the unpleasant reality for corporate roles nowadays.

I had my share of this unpleasant situation today. I have been with the NHS for 20 months; started as a B5, progressed to B6 and recently secured a B7. I received the sad news today that the new Trust would not be able to sponsor for a finance role because there is no funding.

It is really unreasonable to deny a qualified candidate visa sponsorship because of £2k when the pay for that role is 25x the Immigration skills charge. Applicants should be the one complaining about the £4k visa and IHS fee, not the employer.

The only hope I have now is for my current employer to make good their promise of 1 year ago to sponsor my visa, otherwise, my friends who have been advising me to leave career and pursue care visa would say "We told you"

hope this is in black and white or documented? If not you have to begin to consider alternatives or options to remain legal in the uk

justwise:
Dr Kelvin Alaneme will be panicking now

Kelvin is in California and runs his thing. It has to take a BBC journalist to unravel the rot in the UK immigration system which is widely known. The home office cannot absolve itself from this mess. It is mind boggling how an unknown company would issue over a thousand COS in a year without an audit on their books. Let's see how the case is handled.

studyless123:
Kelvin is in California and runs his thing. It has to take a BBC journalist to unravel the rot in the UK immigration system which is widely known. The home office cannot absolve itself from this mess. It is mind boggling how an unknown company would issue over a thousand COS in a year without an audit on their books. Let's see how the case is handled.

As far as they are concerned, it's been handled:
- Over 450 sponsorship licenses have been revoked
- The care visa route has been tightened through CQC regulations, etc
- A new policy is being rolled out to support and prioritise the employment of displaced workers who have lost their sponsorships.
- Enforced guidelines to ensure that firms do not pass on sponsorship costs to candidates
- Prevention of CoS abuse through widespread messaging on the illegality of paying/being made to pay for a job.

Will Scotland Yard chase "Dr" Kelvin across the ocean to bring him to justice? No. At the end of the day, they see it as Nigerians scamming Nigerians, Africans scamming Africans, Pakistanis scamming Pakistanis and so on. If many of the fraudsters or victims were white English, perhaps there would be a more robust police response.

Affected individuals could unite and seek to bring a civil lawsuit against the "Dr" and other fraudsters to recover their funds, I'm sure there is a wealth of evidence to support their claims.

Zahra29:
As far as they are concerned, it's been handled:
- Over 450 sponsorship licenses have been revoked
- The care visa route has been tightened through CQC regulations, etc
- A new policy is being rolled out to support and prioritise the employment of displaced workers who have lost their sponsorships.
- Enforced guidelines to ensure that firms do not pass on sponsorship costs to candidates
- Prevention of CoS abuse through widespread messaging on the illegality of paying/being made to pay for a job.

Will Scotland Yard chase "Dr" Kelvin across the ocean to bring him to justice? No. At the end of the day, they see it as Nigerians scamming Nigerians, Africans scamming Africans, Pakistanis scamming Pakistanis and so on. If many of the fraudsters or victims were white English, perhaps there would be a more robust police response.

Affected individuals could unite and seek to bring a civil lawsuit against the "Dr" and other fraudsters to recover their funds, I'm sure there is a wealth of evidence to support their claims

Unfortunately this is true especially when I also remember the pastor Tobi issue.

The complicated thing again is that both the giver and taker are liable. At worst the Dr could just be struck off from the medical profession. The true antidote is just for people to stop paying for COS but will people listen?

Goke7:
The uk is a conservative society if one is not content and is too greedy ending up as a scammer is so easy

What’s the correlation of conservative have to do with being greedy. We all know uk is tough but I don’t follow this your assertion.

dentalux:
Today, I just want to share with you what happens in the UK job market. People here should stop blaming people who decide to go for care visa without trying professional jobs.. The truth is the spirit of labour market test is still in place. My flatmate mate got a job within the civil service and resumed. When it came to the issue of sponsorship the Labour market test was applied on him. He was told he could not be sponsored and that the role is not a hard to fill role and could be sourced from the UK labour market. He showed me the letter which i read.. This is just to tell someone looking for sponsorship. Pray for direction what works for A may not work for B. even if the company has a license. .

They are prioritising citizens first. This is part of plan of getting people into work.

Arap:
This is the unpleasant reality for corporate roles nowadays.

I had my share of this unpleasant situation today. I have been with the NHS for 20 months; started as a B5, progressed to B6 and recently secured a B7. I received the sad news today that the new Trust would not be able to sponsor for a finance role because there is no funding.

It is really unreasonable to deny a qualified candidate visa sponsorship because of £2k when the pay for that role is 25x the Immigration skills charge. Applicants should be the one complaining about the £4k visa and IHS fee, not the employer.

The only hope I have now is for my current employer to make good their promise of 1 year ago to sponsor my visa, otherwise, my friends who have been advising me to leave career and pursue care visa would say "We told you"

Omo

Goke7:
Unfortunately this is true especially when I also remember the pastor Tobi issue.

The complicated thing again is that both the giver and taker are liable. At worst the Dr could just be struck off from the medical profession. The true antidote is just for people to stop paying for COS but will people listen?

What’s the latest on that Tobi issue? Has he been deported ?

studyless123:
Kelvin is in California and runs his thing. It has to take a BBC journalist to unravel the rot in the UK immigration system which is widely known. The home office cannot absolve itself from this mess. It is mind boggling how an unknown company would issue over a thousand COS in a year without an audit on their books. Let's see how the case is handled.

💯 to the bolded.

It’s a huge failure on the Home Office’s part. If they dont have systems in place to spot such huge anomalies as a company that employed 16 people issuing over 1,200 (one thousand, two hundred!) COSs, then it’s gross incompetence and the people in charge deserve to lose their jobs.

If I have time over the weekend I’ll try to write some questions and send an FOI to them to find out more because honestly I find the apparent laxity impossible to believe.

The best decision of mine today as the UK is concerned is accepting my new reality asap after graduation and using my PSW to gain experience in care before getting into NHS which later sponsored me. While in PSW, I applied for jobs but it was always “We are sorry” or “We do not offer sponsorship for this role” until I got tired of it. The majority of my mates who use their PSW to work in some companies are being told they can't be sponsored because of new salary requirements or they lied to them they are trying to apply for sponsorship and later told them they are not applying again. As we speak, some are being scammed and still looking for a way out to remain in this country. Few who drive were lucky to get Dom care or living care. Few tried global talent visas and only one was successful. A friend was scammed £8,000 last February when desperation set in. It was at that point I realised I made the right choice. Now, I look at people who didn't even wait for PSW and switched to care visas immediately after graduation as smart people especially as most of them have family. I also feel if you are a couple, one person should have a leg in care job just for back up purpose unless you have a solid japa out of UK plan.

Another experience from a very close person to me is her employer(top firm) promised her sponsorship after the two years, the salary is way above this new threshold. They reimbursed her for the PSW. She found out she was 2-3 months pregnant after start date. By the time she came back from maternity leave, the sponsorship story changed form certain to uncertain. She wasn't sponsored.

Please, do whatever works for you. No age cap on when you can achieve your dreams unless you are planning to be a stripper 😀

dentalux:
Today, I just want to share with you what happens in the UK job market. People here should stop blaming people who decide to go for care visa without trying professional jobs.. The truth is the spirit of labour market test is still in place. My flatmate mate got a job within the civil service and resumed. When it came to the issue of sponsorship the Labour market test was applied on him. He was told he could not be sponsored and that the role is not a hard to fill role and could be sourced from the UK labour market. He showed me the letter which i read.. This is just to tell someone looking for sponsorship. Pray for direction what works for A may not work for B. even if the company has a license. .

OgbeniOptional:
The best decision of mine today as the UK is concerned is accepting my new reality asap after graduation and using my PSW to gain experience in care before getting into NHS which later sponsored me. While in PSW, I applied for jobs but it was always “We are sorry” or “We do not offer sponsorship for this role” until I got tired of it. The majority of my mates who use their PSW to work in some companies are being told they can't be sponsored because of new salary requirements or they lied to them they are trying to apply for sponsorship and later told them they are not applying again. As we speak, some are being scammed and still looking for a way out to remain in this country. Few who drive were lucky to get Dom care or living care. Few tried global talent visas and only one was successful. A friend was scammed £8,000 last February when desperation set in. It was at that point I realised I made the right choice. Now, I look at people who didn't even wait for PSW and switched to care visas immediately after graduation as smart people especially as most of them have family. I also feel if you are a couple, one person should have a leg in care job just for back up purpose unless you have a solid japa out of UK plan.

Another experience from a very close person to me is her employer(top firm) promised her sponsorship after the two years, the salary is way above this new threshold. They reimbursed her for the PSW. She found out she was 2-3 months pregnant after start date. By the time she came back from maternity leave, the sponsorship story changed form certain to uncertain. She wasn't sponsored.

Please, do whatever works for you. No age cap on when you can achieve your dreams unless you are planning to be a stripper 😀

no wonder people leave the UK for easy Pr

OgbeniOptional:
The best decision of mine today as the UK is concerned is accepting my new reality asap after graduation and using my PSW to gain experience in care before getting into NHS which later sponsored me. While in PSW, I applied for jobs but it was always “We are sorry” or “We do not offer sponsorship for this role” until I got tired of it. The majority of my mates who use their PSW to work in some companies are being told they can't be sponsored because of new salary requirements or they lied to them they are trying to apply for sponsorship and later told them they are not applying again. As we speak, some are being scammed and still looking for a way out to remain in this country. Few who drive were lucky to get Dom care or living care. Few tried global talent visas and only one was successful. A friend was scammed £8,000 last February when desperation set in. It was at that point I realised I made the right choice. Now, I look at people who didn't even wait for PSW and switched to care visas immediately after graduation as smart people especially as most of them have family. I also feel if you are a couple, one person should have a leg in care job just for back up purpose unless you have a solid japa out of UK plan.

Another experience from a very close person to me is her employer(top firm) promised her sponsorship after the two years, the salary is way above this new threshold. They reimbursed her for the PSW. She found out she was 2-3 months pregnant after start date. By the time she came back from maternity leave, the sponsorship story changed form certain to uncertain. She wasn't sponsored.

Please, do whatever works for you. No age cap on when you can achieve your dreams unless you are planning to be a stripper 😀

I suggested this last yr here and was accused of encouraging Nigerians to settle for less. COS was almost free then, today people are paying ££££ and getting scammed. Funny people.

Zahra29:
As far as they are concerned, it's been handled:
- Over 450 sponsorship licenses have been revoked
- The care visa route has been tightened through CQC regulations, etc
- A new policy is being rolled out to support and prioritise the employment of displaced workers who have lost their sponsorships.
- Enforced guidelines to ensure that firms do not pass on sponsorship costs to candidates
- Prevention of CoS abuse through widespread messaging on the illegality of paying/being made to pay for a job.

Will Scotland Yard chase "Dr" Kelvin across the ocean to bring him to justice? No. At the end of the day, they see it as Nigerians scamming Nigerians, Africans scamming Africans, Pakistanis scamming Pakistanis and so on. If many of the fraudsters or victims were white English, perhaps there would be a more robust police response.

Affected individuals could unite and seek to bring a civil lawsuit against the "Dr" and other fraudsters to recover their funds, I'm sure there is a wealth of evidence to support their claims.

Yup..and if those fraudsters are arrested the same Africans will pick up race card and started shouting racisim right left and centre.

Victims should go after Dr Kelvin, report him to American govt, his employers, business associates, go after all his social media accounts.. give him no rest of mind untill he pays up

Goodenoch:
💯 to the bolded.

It’s a huge failure on the Home Office’s part. If they dont have systems in place to spot such huge anomalies as a company that employed 16 people issuing over 1,200 (one thousand, two hundred!) COSs, then it’s gross incompetence and the people in charge deserve to lose their jobs.

If I have time over the weekend I’ll try to write some questions and send an FOI to them to find out more because honestly I find the apparent laxity impossible to believe.

The failings have already been addressed in a comprehensive and highly critical report by the former Independent Chief Inspector of Borders and Immigration.

Key points from the report:

- Health and Care Worker visa route was ill-thought through
- Inaccurate forecasting: Home Office had limited understanding of the social care sector and underestimated the demand for the Care Worker visa
- Home Office selected a route that was designed for a largely compliant sector ( recruitment of highly skilled workers being sponsored by multinational corporations) and applied it to a high-risk area
- Its control measures to mitigate the risk were inadequate. There was just one compliance officer for every 1,600 employers licensed to sponsor migrant workers.
- Home Office took a relatively "light touch" approach to applications for sponsor licences, and it did not have the resources or staff to monitor the ever-increasing register of licensed sponsors.
- The report highlights the case of 1,234 certificates being granted to a company that stated it had only four employees when given a licence. (I believe this was the same company in the Kelvin exposé).

Report here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/an-inspection-of-the-immigration-system-as-it-relates-to-the-social-care-sector-august-2023-to-november-2023

justwise:
Yup..and if those fraudsters are arrested the same Africans will pick up race card and started shouting racisim right left and centre.

Victims should go after Dr Kelvin, report him to American govt, his employers, business associates, go after all his social media accounts.. give him no rest of mind untill he pays up

Agreed- the victims need to fight for justice.

I saw his twitter post where he was robustly defending himself against the fraud accusations and threatening to sue the BBC.

"My lawyers have been in touch and will advise on how we address this highly defamatory and misleading publication"

Audacious because he knows that Nigerians will eventually keep quiet and move on.

Zahra29:
The failings have already been addressed in a comprehensive and highly critical report by the former Independent Chief Inspector of Borders and Immigration.

Report here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/an-inspection-of-the-immigration-system-as-it-relates-to-the-social-care-sector-august-2023-to-november-2023

Good. Thanks. I have had a quick scan through and will read it fully later. It's absurd how incompetent the folks responsible are/were.

Doesn't matter how short-staffed they were - some of the errors in there should mean those in charge shouldn't have responsibility for anything other than maybe waiting tables at McDonald's ever again.

OgbeniOptional:
Please, do whatever works for you. No age cap on when you can achieve your dreams unless you are planning to be a stripper 😀

A year ago I'd have disagreed very vehemently with you but I've increasingly seen that my situation (sponsored right out of school and sponsored again by another organisation in a much more senior role < a year later) and those of quite a few people I know, may have been outliers.

It seems the system now, deliberately or inadvertently, strongly funnels immigrants into care work even when they are very qualified for other roles.

In any case, I still strongly believe people can and should continue to actively make efforts to move to professional roles, but yes I acknowledge it's easier said than done.

All the best to everyone.

OgbeniOptional:
Now, I look at people who didn't even wait for PSW and switched to care visas immediately after graduation as smart people especially as most of them have family. I also feel if you are a couple, one person should have a leg in care job just for back up purpose unless you have a solid japa out of UK plan.

Just to highlight that new labour market test rules coming into force from April 9 mean that unless an individual is already on a health and care visa, or they lost their sponsorship through the company's license being revoked, they will need to have been legally working for the care company for at least 3 months before they can be sponsored by the company (even if there is an immediate vacancy).

It will no longer be possible to switch directly from a student or graduate visa into a care visa without prior care experience at the intended sponsor.

[Applies to England only]

Zahra29:
Agreed- the victims need to fight for justice.

I saw his twitter post where he was robustly defending himself against the fraud accusations and threatening to sue the BBC.

"My lawyers have been in touch and will advise on how we address this highly defamatory and misleading publication"

Audacious because he knows that Nigerians will eventually keep quiet and move on.

Sue BBC? lol some hot air right there, obviously he has to say something, he was on camera running his mouth and now they are defaming him?

OgbeniOptional:
The best decision of mine today as the UK is concerned is accepting my new reality asap after graduation and using my PSW to gain experience in care before getting into NHS which later sponsored me. While in PSW, I applied for jobs but it was always “We are sorry” or “We do not offer sponsorship for this role” until I got tired of it. The majority of my mates who use their PSW to work in some companies are being told they can't be sponsored because of new salary requirements or they lied to them they are trying to apply for sponsorship and later told them they are not applying again. As we speak, some are being scammed and still looking for a way out to remain in this country. Few who drive were lucky to get Dom care or living care. Few tried global talent visas and only one was successful. A friend was scammed £8,000 last February when desperation set in. It was at that point I realised I made the right choice. Now, I look at people who didn't even wait for PSW and switched to care visas immediately after graduation as smart people especially as most of them have family. I also feel if you are a couple, one person should have a leg in care job just for back up purpose unless you have a solid japa out of UK plan.

Another experience from a very close person to me is her employer(top firm) promised her sponsorship after the two years, the salary is way above this new threshold. They reimbursed her for the PSW. She found out she was 2-3 months pregnant after start date. By the time she came back from maternity leave, the sponsorship story changed form certain to uncertain. She wasn't sponsored.

Please, do whatever works for you. No age cap on when you can achieve your dreams unless you are planning to be a stripper 😀

I remember when I said something similar along these lines at the bolded.

Even the CARE visa don hard to get now.

You need a special kind of smartness to be able to navigate and succeed in the U.K

Raalsalghul:
I remember when I said something similar along these lines at the bolded.

Even the CARE visa don hard to get now.

You need a special kind of smartness to be able to navigate and succeed in the U.K

I was the one you even quoted 😊 simply put the Boris wave as they call it is over. We’re now in the Trump wave, even Canada PR is getting harder now. The home pilot caregiver route for even residents already in Canada was filled up within 3 hours of opening the portal. Some people were still typing up their submission and could no longer apply. Options are getting limited now. Not only the Uk

Goodenoch:
A year ago I'd have disagreed very vehemently with you but I've increasingly seen that my situation (sponsored right out of school and sponsored again by another organisation in a much more senior role a year later) and those of quite a few people I know, may have been outliers.

It seems the system now, deliberately or inadvertently, strongly funnels immigrants into care work even when they are very qualified for other roles.

In any case, I still strongly believe people can and should continue to actively make efforts to move to professional roles, but yes I acknowledge it's easier said than done.

All the best to everyone.

It’s been so for a while now I remember lamenting about it here a while ago, even when there were still over a million jobs vacancies organisations simply looked away despite tons of readymade graduates in the country. These graduates were made to feel they were the problem. Honestly the COS scam wouldn’t have been this bad if the system valued graduates and professionals more.

Raalsalghul:
I remember when I said something similar along these lines at the bolded.

Even the CARE visa don hard to get now.

You need a special kind of smartness to be able to navigate and succeed in the U.K

A new salary threshold has been announced?

Goodenoch:
A year ago I'd have disagreed very vehemently with you but I've increasingly seen that my situation (sponsored right out of school and sponsored again by another organisation in a much more senior role < a year later) and those of quite a few people I know, may have been outliers.

It seems the system now, deliberately or inadvertently, strongly funnels immigrants into care work even when they are very qualified for other roles.

In any case, I still strongly believe people can and should continue to actively make efforts to move to professional roles, but yes I acknowledge it's easier said than done.

All the best to everyone.

It's not deliberate; it's an unintended consequence of high levels of immigration coupled with slow economic growth.

It's not the immigrants fault. I also don't think it's the government's or companies' fault.

Prior to Brexit, companies were legally required to hire a British candidate first, and then an EU candidate, before they could sponsor a non-EU candidate.

This labour test has since been rescinded. However, in desirable sectors such as financial services and legal, where there is a high volume of both domestic and international applications, a company would likely favour a candidate who already has the right to work (British, settled, dependant etc) over an equally qualified candidate who requires sponsorship with the attendant costs and legal paperwork.

A mentee has recently been sponsored as a graduate analyst. The multinational spent around £10k on her sponsorship costs - (IHS, application and legal fees). This is on top of the immigration skills charge. Not many companies can afford these costs so they will opt for a domestic candidate where possible.

At the same time, many immigrants cannot afford the skilled visa and IHS fees, especially when they have dependants, and many deliberately choose to go into care in order to avoid these costs.

Gerrard59:
A new salary threshold has been announced?

Yes, from April 9 minimum salary threshold for health and care workers will increase from £23,200 to £25,000

Zahra29:
It's not deliberate; it's an unintended consequence of high levels of immigration coupled with slow economic growth.

It's not the immigrants fault. I also don't think it's the government's or companies' fault.

Prior to Brexit, companies were legally required to hire a British candidate first, and then an EU candidate, before they could sponsor a non-EU candidate.

This labour test has since been rescinded. However, in desirable sectors such as financial services and legal, where there is a high volume of both domestic and international applications, a company would likely favour a candidate who already has the right to work (British, settled, dependant etc) over an equally qualified candidate who requires sponsorship with the attendant costs and legal paperwork.

A mentee has recently been sponsored as a graduate analyst. The multinational spent around £10k on her sponsorship costs - (IHS, application and legal fees). This is on top of the immigration skills charge. Not many companies can afford these costs so they will opt for a domestic candidate where possible.

At the same time, many immigrants cannot afford the skilled visa and IHS fees, especially when they have dependants, and many deliberately choose to go into care in order to avoid these costs.

Highlighted was true from when they stopped PSW from 2010 intakes
I experienced it and so did many who studied after 2010...if you got interviewed then told them you needed sponsorship they'd ghost you.
All the non EU students in my set returned home or did another Phd to get sponsorship through their HEI. Though a few Indians and Pakistanis already had jobs through family business so they ALWAYS passed the labor test