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Gabrielshow24:
"While Jezebel has a unique sound, it carries a lot of historical baggage and negative connotations. I want to choose a name that will inspire positivity and strength for my child."

Exactly what God will do to people who never made a good name with Him! Revelations 2:20-23 compare to Psalms 9:19

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly what God will do to people who never made a good name with Him! Revelations 2:20-23 compare to Psalms 9:19

It doesn't correlate with your allusion!🤨
Explain why God will suggest men to cut off their arms in order to avoid hell? Emphasis here being on "soul" because the Lord clearly differentiated between body and "soul".

Which means the soul lives on contrary to your first posit💣!
Now let us know, what say you?
Hence if what you say is correct then the 'names' of those who will perish in "hell" also lives on🤨 which completely negates your premise!

Gabrielshow24:
It doesn't correlate with your allusion!🤨
Explain why God will suggest men to cut off their arms in order to avoid hell? Emphasis here being on "soul" because the Lord clearly differentiated between body and "soul".
Which means the soul lives on contrary to your first posit💣!
Now let us know, what say you?
Hence if what you say is correct then the 'names' of those who will perish in "hell" also lives on🤨 which completely negates your premise!

There are two separate Hebrew texts your translators rendered Hell.

Sheoul
and
Gehenna

Sheoul is the common grave of mankind in most Bibles it's rendered Hell.

Gehenna is a state where the death in it has no resurrection.

So souls (names of people) in Sheoul is are recorded due to their good deeds but Gehenna is where all people who had no good name with God goes.

When we bury the dead we put all of them in the grave but only God knows those who have built good name with Him and those who have no need of resurrection! Matthew 10:28

MaxInDHouse:
There are two things your translators rendered Hell.

Sheoul
and
Gehenna

Sheoul is the common grave of mankind in most Bibles it's rendered Hell.

Gehenna is a state where the death in it has no resurrection.

So souls (names of people) in Sheoul is are recorded due to their good deeds but Gehenna is where all people who had no good name with God goes.

When we bury the dead we put all of them in the grave but only God knows those who have built good name with Him and those who have no need of resurrection! Matthew 10:28

show me where the bible states that those with 'only' good deeds go to Sheol 🤨.

I think one of your favorite verses allude to all men going to Sheol! 🤔 There's no discrimination🤨 whatsoever, 🤔except you want us to believe that there's a separation within "Sheol" 🙄 to differentiate good from bad!

Let us know🤔as this changes your argument flow once again🤕!

Gabrielshow24:
show me where the bible states that those with 'only' good deeds go to Sheol 🤨.
I think one of your favorite verses allude to all men going to Sheol! 🤔 There's no discrimination🤨 whatsoever, 🤔except you want us to believe that there's a separation within "Sheol" 🙄 to differentiate good from bad!
Let us know🤔as this changes your argument flow once again🤕!

Your temper will not allow you to grasp all these things but let's take it one after the other.
Find the Hebrew word most translators rendered Hell.
Let's start from there.

MaxInDHouse:
There are two separate Hebrew texts your translators rendered Hell.

Sheoul
and
Gehenna

Sheoul is the common grave of mankind in most Bibles it's rendered Hell.

Gehenna is a state where the death in it has no resurrection.

So souls (names of people) in Sheoul is are recorded due to their good deeds but Gehenna is where all people who had no good name with God goes.

When we bury the dead we put all of them in the grave but only God knows those who have built good name with Him and those who have no need of resurrection! Matthew 10:28

rubbish

delkuf:
rubbish

Later you will say you are not talking to those responding to you!

MaxInDHouse:
Later you will say you are not talking to those responding to you!

max why do you believe all this thing. Are they not contrary to what Jesus said

delkuf:
max why do you believe all this thing. Are they not contrary to what Jesus said

That's exactly what my own Jesus taught us so if your own Jesus taught another please present it and your church where it's been taught.

MaxInDHouse:
That's exactly what my own Jesus taught us so if your own Jesus taught another please present it and your church where it's been taught.

why do you keep asking of church. Do you think my church influence. I read the Bible and I follow Jesus.

Unlike you that is been influenced by your group.

delkuf:
why do you keep asking of church. Do you think my church influence. I read the Bible and I follow Jesus. Unlike you that is been influenced by your group.

Jesus has a group that's why he prayed for them to have the same line of thought {John 17:22} so if you don't then i'm sorry for you!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus has a group that's why he prayed for them to have the same line of thought {John 17:22} so if you don't then i'm sorry for you!

I have a church but I do what the Lord Jesus says but you have a group but you don't do what Jesus says. You do what your group says

delkuf:
I have a church but I do what the Lord Jesus says but you have a group but you don't do what Jesus says. You do what your group says

Jesus commands a group not just one person that's why he said the whole world will see us as the light! Matthew 5:14-16

So if your church can't practice what Jesus taught as a group how are they going to shine like light throughout the earth?

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus commands a group not just one person that's why he said the whole world will see us as the light! Matthew 5:14-16

So if your church can't practice what Jesus taught as a group how are they going to shine like light throughout the earth?

I didn't say my church don't practice what Jesus taught. Your group teaches what is contrary to Jesus taught but you are believing your group and not Jesus said

delkuf:
I didn't say my church don't practice what Jesus taught. Your group teaches what is contrary to Jesus taught but you are believing your group and not Jesus said

Present what your church practice let us know whether it's according to Jesus' teachings not just some audio talks that has no substance!

MaxInDHouse:
Present what your church practice let us know whether it's according to Jesus' teachings not just some audio talks that has no substance!

your group says Jesus is a angel and you believe them.

delkuf:
your group says Jesus is a angel believe them.

And so what?
Present what your own Jesus has been able to achieve in your midst or keep quiet.
Whatever we call our Jesus it's none of your business as long as we are seeing the WORKS of our Jesus throughout the world in our organization! Act 1:8

MaxInDHouse:
And so what?
Present what your own Jesus has been able to achieve in your midst or keep quiet.
Whatever we call our Jesus it's none of your business as long as we are seeing the WORKS of our Jesus throughout the world in our organization! Act 1:8

is nor of my business like you said.

delkuf:
is nor of my business like you said.

So stop quoting me up and down the forum only Boko Haram are intolerant towards other people's beliefs.

Àbí you be church Boko Haram?

Good day. I don't really understand why someone will just be writing what he don't know. Which of the Bible did you read your part of stories from. Please stop bringing false doctrines about God. Thank you

MaxInDHouse:
OK Mr Fool Samuel died and according to God's word the dead knows nothing and their memories wiped out they can't recognize anyone whether those they once love or hate! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

Its funny how the memory wipe thing can be likened to the prison earth narattive..our spiritsnor soul or consciousness is what holds memory not our bodies.

njelrapheal:
Its funny how the memory wipe thing can be likened to the prison earth narattive..our spiritsnor soul or consciousness is what holds memory not our bodies.

At death there is no consciousness again! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

MaxInDHouse:
At death there is no consciousness again! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

That is what. So why do our spirit remember or why are we shown all we have done.

njelrapheal:
That is what. So why do our spirit remember or why are we shown all we have done.

Our only hope is resurrection when Jesus call us back to life again {John 5:28-29} but at death we have nothing that survives or keep living!

Gabrielshow24:
➜What about those whose bodies are used while they yet live? 🤔
Also, what human bodies/image did angels use when they visited men? 🤨
Did they too like demons clone a dead person's image👀?
Let us know, ....

Nonsense! Whose body was ever used by an angel while he/she was alive? Demons are instead spirits that are able to infect/possess human beings to bring about the consequence of YHWH's curse upon men. Demons aren't a type of angel, nor are they counterparts. 🙄

Kobojunkie:
Nonsense! Whose body was ever used by an angel while he/she was alive? Demons are instead spirits that are able to infect/possess human beings to bring about the consequence of YHWH's curse upon men. Demons aren't a type of angel, nor are they counterparts. 🙄

Perhaps you should endeavor to get the context before chiming in!

He made a proposition that Demons clone bodies before using them, a narrative he generalized to spiritual norm! Thus, I aimed with sarcasm to make him explain whose bodies Angels cloned when they visited men😁, a narrative he is yet to provide a rebuttal to!

Now, to answer your illustrious question. The traditional classical view of demons is that they are fallen Angels performing their own will! Although, the Greek word "daemon" refers generally to a spirit but in the context of the scriptures, it refers to malicious fallen angelic beings!

Thus, they are counterparts of God's angels. It's also referenced in the bible Matthew 25:41: "devil and his angels" .

Gabrielshow24:
✓ Perhaps you should endeavor to get the context before chiming in!
He made a proposition that Demons clone bodies before using them, a narrative he generalized to spiritual norm! Thus, I aimed with sarcasm to make him explain whose bodies Angels cloned when they visited men😁, a narrative he is yet to provide a rebuttal to!
✓ Now, to answer your illustrious question. The traditional classical view of demons is that they are fallen Angels performing their own will! Although, the Greek word "daemon" refers generally to a spirit but in the context of the scriptures, it refers to malicious fallen angelic beings!
Thus, they are counterparts of God's angels. It's also referenced in the bible Matthew 25:41: "devil and his angels" .

1. The mistake is yours in directing ideas that have nothing to do with me, my way. I am not of your religion(or any for that matter) that you would assume I hold a view related to it in some way.

2. Wrong! In Israelite Scripture, the word Demon is used to qualify spirits which carry out YHWH's curses on men either by infecting or possessing individuals and sometimes animals. Your particular idea that demons are instead fallen angels comes primarily from your religion, not from the Israelite Scripture. Angels are instead described in the book as beings born from Spirit, not spirits themselves, in that same Scripture.

⚉ Matthew 25 refers to those who would end up in Eternal Damnation as Angels of the Devil— humans who fail to meet the requirement to enter into Eternal Reward, aka children of the Devil - John 8 vs 32 - 44.

Kobojunkie:
1. The mistake is yours in directing ideas that have nothing to do with me, my way. I am not of your religion(or any for that matter) that you would assume I hold a view related to it in some way.

2. Wrong! In Israelite Scripture, the word Demon is used to qualify spirits which carry out YHWH's curses on men either by infecting or possessing individuals and sometimes animals. Your particular idea that demons are instead fallen angels comes primarily from your religion, not from the Israelite Scripture. Angels are instead described in the book as beings born from Spirit, not spirits themselves, in that same Scripture.

⚉ Matthew 25 refers to those who would end up in Eternal Damnation as Angels of the Devil— humans who fail to meet the requirement to enter into Eternal Reward, aka children of the Devil - John 8 vs 32 - 44.

I didn't direct any idea your way🤨, I corrected Max's error but you seem more interested in giving your two cents! Hence why quote me? Also, your exegesis is a misrepresentation of what can be found in the scriptures! You just qualified them based on some specific action🤨. It doesn't explain how they came to be! Also, The bible clearly separates angels into two folds: God's angels and Devil's Angels—These were those who participated in the heavenly War😁!

In conclusion, the traditional narrative provides an exemplified analysis of the meaning and use of the word, "demon"—it is used as a reference to fallen angels or in general any contrary spirit to the spirit of truth👀!

Gabrielshow24:
➜I didn't direct any idea your way🤨, I corrected Max's error but you seem more interested in giving your two cents! Hence why quote me?
➜ Also, your exegesis is a misrepresentation of what can be found in the scriptures! You just qualified them based on some specific action🤨. It doesn't explain how they came to be! Also, The bible clearly separates angels into two folds: God's angels and Devil's Angels—These were those who participated in the heavenly War😁!
➜ In conclusion, the traditional narrative provides an exemplified analysis of the meaning and use of the word, "demon"—it is used as a reference to fallen angels or in general any contrary spirit to the spirit of truth👀!

1. I was not chatting with that individual so see no reason why you would direct any of your private conversations with others towards my moniker.

2. I gave you no exegesis. I simply pointed out what is clearly of Scripture —Israelite origin— from what is not. There is no direct or indirect link made in the scripture between fallen angels and demons— Fallen angels ARE NOT demons. Yes, the book instead posits the existence of angels of God and angels of the devil... but no connection between the angels of the devil and demons— Angels are not a demons and demons are not a type of angels.

3. Your traditional narratives do not have their origins or genesis in the books of the Israelite Scripture.

Kobojunkie:
1. I was not chatting with that individual so see no reason why you would direct any of your private conversations with others towards my moniker.

2. I gave you no exegesis. I simply pointed out what is clearly of Scripture —Israelite origin— from what is not. There is no direct or indirect link made in the scripture between fallen angels and demons— Fallen angels ARE NOT demons. Yes, the book instead posits the existence of angels of God and angels of the devil... but no connection between the angels of the devil and demons— Angels are not a demons and demons are not a type of angels.

3. Your traditional narratives do not have their origins or genesis in the books of the Israelite Scripture.

Like I said earlier, I didn't direct anything towards you. You quoted me out of the blues without proper context which prompted me to do the gentlemanly thing—Provide context. Somehow you mistook this clarification as some form of direction🤨!

Also, to address your point. The bible doesn't provide a basis or link for demons to fallen-angels 🤨 but still it buttresses the fact that the Devil's Angels have the same or similar modus operandi to these spirits!

Gabrielshow24:
... Also, to address your point. The bible doesn't provide a basis or link for demons to fallen-angels 🤨 but still it buttresses the fact that the Devil's Angels have the same or similar modus operandi to these spirits!

Wrong! The Bible does no such thing as you claim, given that demons are instead described in the books as spirits with the capacity to infect or possess human beings & animals to bring out the curses laid down by YHWH. Fallen angels, on the other hand, are not described to have the same abilities as demons, but are rather described as children of the devil — angels who choose disobedience rather than obedience.

Kobojunkie:
Wrong! The Bible does no such thing as you claim given that Demons are instead expressed as spirits with the capacity to infect or possess human beings & animals to bring out the curses laid down by YHWH, whereas fallen angels are not described to have the same abilities but are rather described as children of the devil — angels who choose disobedience rather than obedience.

then kindly explain to us who demons are? 🤨 Also, you greatly downplayed the acts of freed fallen-angels in Revelation 🤦🏾‍♂️!—You will do so well to perform comparative analysis to see their similarities🤔

I will like to know your perspective whether or not the fallen-angels do bring forth the "same curses" 🤔 given the sample of biblical evidence that attests to this.