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Zionmdde:
First, my believe cannot be tested with empirical evidence. That's why it's called faith. And that's why it's called spiritual. Anybody that engages in such discussions is not wise at all. Even the Bible says people like you won't understand

And that's okay. We already settled on the fact that your belief is subjective in nature. It's you who (maybe unconsciously) seems to forget this simple fact from time to time by claiming the Bible is the "truth". If it is "the truth", then surely it's claims should withstand scrutiny no?

Zionmdde:
Now you that assume your believe is backed with physical evidence, why don't we go through those your evidence. Stop whining like a Hot gay bitch and present what you think you know

First, I don't know anything about the origin of the universe. I don't know how you're struggling with this simple concept.

Secondly, insults only reveal your emotional state. You're getting heated over a simple discussion and it's hilarious to see because I'm just sitting here cool, calm and collected. 🤣

We don't need to be vulgar with each other. We just need to come to an agreement based on sound reason and logic instead of telling lies or being dishonest. Is that too much to ask? 🤔

Omoawoke:
You have been eliminated from this debate….
Your response shows you are not mentally equipped to engage an intelligent debate… I feel so sorry for you, you are mentally inadequate.
I won’t respond to you anymore ! Bye!

There was no debate to start with. If you were intelligent you would have known A.i only give you what people put on net.

FiveFootNinja:
And that's okay. We already settled on the fact that your belief is subjective in nature. It's you who (maybe unconsciously) seems to forget this simple fact from time to time by claiming the Bible is the "truth". If it is "the truth", then surely it's claims should withstand scrutiny no?



First, I don't know anything about the origin of the universe. I don't know how you're struggling with this simple concept.

Secondly, insults only reveal your emotional state. You're getting heated over a simple discussion and it's hilarious to see because I'm just sitting here cool, calm and collected. 🤣

We don't need to be vulgar with each other. We just need to come to an agreement based on sound reason and logic instead of telling lies or being dishonest. Is that too much to ask? 🤔

Nah I said what I Said in the calmest possible way after I initially warned you

The Bible is my own truth, since you oppose come out with your own version of truth.
Since you don't know about the origin of creation, won't it be wise to remain ignorant and allow other people live with what they believe?

You said something, someone said it's a lie. Oya what is the truth then, the Person says "I don't know" doesn't that sound senseless?

Zionmdde:
Nah I said what I Said in the calmest possible way after I initially warned you

The Bible is my own truth, since you oppose come out with your own version of truth.
Since you don't know about the origin of creation, won't it be wise to remain ignorant and allow other people live with what they believe?

You said something, someone said it's a lie. Oya what is the truth then, the Person says "I don't know" doesn't that sound senseless?

I find it hard to imagine you were just calmly typing "Hot gay bitch", but anyway, you do you. 🤣 🤣

There's a difference between calling something "my truth" and calling something "the truth". The latter suggests an objective fact that is grounded in reality.

Like I said before, I don't have a problem with your faith. I only challenge people when it seems like they want to imply that their belief is objective, which you did when you asked Omoawoke: "what's your own claim that negates THE TRUTH of the Bible" (paraphrased).

Your problem is that you keep falling prey to dichotomous thinking. I.e if it's not A, then it must be B. It's a logical fallacy called False Dichotomy. Google it.

If you're watching a court case, and the defendant cooks up a story that obviously sounds stupid, won't you agree that his story is stupid? Does it mean you really know what happened in the case?

FiveFootNinja:
I find it hard to imagine you were just calmly typing "Hot gay bitch", but anyway, you do you. 🤣 🤣

There's a difference between calling something "my truth" and calling something "the truth". The latter suggests an objective fact that is grounded in reality.

Like I said before, I don't have a problem with your faith. I only challenge people when it seems like they want to imply that their belief is objective, which you did when you asked Omoawoke: "what's your own claim that negates THE TRUTH of the Bible" (paraphrased).

Your problem is that you keep falling prey to dichotomous thinking. I.e if it's not A, then it must be B. It's a logical fallacy called False Dichotomy. Google it.

If you're watching a court case, and the defendant cooks up a story that obviously sounds stupid, won't you agree that his story is stupid? Does it mean you really know what happened in the case?

In a court case no story sounds stupid. Every story is xrayed with the lens of another story from probably a witness. If no story or evidence or established law contradicts that stupid story, then the story teller will walk free.

I have been clear from the beginning, every belief on creation is purely subjective, do what you want to do with that
And yes the Bible is my own truth. It's laziness for someone who claims he is ignorant in a matter he has keen interest in and yet he cannot do his own research and draw conclusions.
He is just lazying about, looking who other people's belief to criticize

Zionmdde:
In a court case no story sounds stupid. Every story is xrayed with the lens of another story from probably a witness. If no story or evidence or established law contradicts that stupid story, then the story teller will walk free.

I have been clear from the beginning, every belief on creation is purely subjective, do what you want to do with that
And yes the Bible is my own truth. It's laziness for someone who claims he is ignorant in a matter he has keen interest in and yet he cannot do his own research and draw conclusions.
He is just lazying about, looking who other people's belief to criticize

Nope. Still wrong.

In the law court, it is always the plausibility of a narrative that sways a team of jurors. So if your story as a defendant is absurd or far-fetched, it can be dismissed as such.

As I told you earlier, everyone is entitled to a belief. But if you bring it into the realm of objective reality, don't cry blue murder when people tear it to shreds. Even if you're emotionally attached to your religion, nobody will be held responsible for the damage to your ego.

I've done plenty of research into the claims of the Bible. That's how I know it's full of shít, because the stories don't add up.

Do I know how the universe came to be? I don't know. But as time goes on, we uncover new knowledge that disproves what we used to think was the absolute truth. That's the first step to knowledge: your willingness to admit you don't know it all.

If I come across a theory that doesn't make sense, I'll treat it as such. I don't need to have an alternative to know that it makes no sense.

Every claim should be taken with a grain of salt.
Nothing should be taken as a 100% guarantee.
That is reasoned skepticism. That is intellectual honesty. That is self-awareness. That is telling yourself the truth: that you are ignorant and you still have a lot to learn about the universe.

But you can keep on lying to yourself that reasoned skepticism is the same as laziness. It only betrays your poor knowledge of scientific epistemology as a so-called "man of science".

FiveFootNinja:
Nope. Still wrong.

In the law court, it is always the plausibility of a narrative that sways a team of jurors. So if your story as a defendant is absurd or far-fetched, it can be dismissed as such.

As I told you earlier, everyone is entitled to a belief. But if you bring it into the realm of objective reality, don't cry blue murder when people tear it to shreds. Even if you're emotionally attached to your religion, nobody will be held responsible for the damage to your ego.

I've done plenty of research into the claims of the Bible. That's how I know it's full of shít, because the stories don't add up.

And you can keep lying to yourself that reasoned skepticism is the same as laziness. It only betrays your poor knowledge of scientific epistemology as a so-called "man of science".

1st paragraph, if the person's story doesn't contradict itself, and there are no witnesses, or evidences, or established laws to negate the story, it will fly. I don't know how you understand things
You call it "absurd" why is it absurd?

My belief is subjective, your own belief in your ignorance is also subjective. There is no objective evidence anywhere, why do I keep repeating that?

You that is a man of science and many researchers, what is the origin of creation? Is that too much for an Albert Einstein like you
.that time you are using to research a lie, why don't you use the same time research the truth and cure yourself of your ignorance

Zionmdde:
1st paragraph, if the person's story doesn't contradict itself, and there are no witnesses, or evidences, or established laws to negate the story, it will fly. I don't know how you understand things
You call it "absurd" why is it absurd?

My belief is subjective, your own belief in your ignorance is also subjective. There is no objective evidence anywhere, why do I keep repeating that?

You that is a man of science and many researchers, what is the origin of creation? Is that too much for an Albert Einstein like you
.that time you are using to research a lie, why don't you use the same time research the truth and cure yourself of your ignorance

If somebody told you that there is an invisible dragon living inside their house, is it a plausible story? There's no way to refute it, obviously because you can't disprove a negative, but does that make it a plausible story?

Absurdity or stupidity is a function of the internal inconsistencies within a story. If it defies established knowledge of things we're already accept as fact, then it is reasonable to label it as an absurd story.

Me being a skeptic is not a belief system. That's just you mixing up simple concepts again for no reason.

Skepticism is a methodological approach to any claims being made. It's simply the application of reason and logic and verification to see if the claim is valid or not.

So, is there anything else you want to complain about? 😁

Zionmdde:
I am a Christian
I am also deeply into the science field
When an issue has no empirical backing, I believe what I believe.and allow others believe what they believe. It's called tolerance and respect for belief

I understand you but the problem comes when corporations are set up to indoctrinate people and threaten.unbelievers with damnation. They portray God as cruel and that is unacceptable. My own struggle online is to see the end of religion in the public space

lawani:
My own struggle online is to see the end of religion in the public space

Something that was born with humanity!

Well i wish you happy dreams!

MaxInDHouse:
Something that was born with humanity!

Well i wish you happy dreams!

I disagree with you. Describing God as a brute burning people in hell for unbelief and idolatry is actually alien to human culture. Even Judaism don't do it. It started with Christianity around two thousand years ago. Not born with humanity

lawani:
I disagree with you. Describing God as a brute burning people in hell for unbelief and idolatry is actually alien to human culture. Even Judaism don't do it. It started with Christianity around two thousand years ago. Not born with humanity

The highlighted is a misconception God never thought of burning anyone in fire! Jeremiah 7:31

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is a misconception God never thought of burning anyone in fire! Jeremiah 7:31

JW is just one of the thousands of bickering sects of Christianity. However God can not exclude people from eternal life just because they use their common sense and don't believe the Jesus story.

lawani:
JW is just one of the thousands of bickering sects of Christianity. However God can not exclude people from eternal life just because they use their common sense and don't believe the Jesus story.

What do you expect God to do with those who are bent on making life unbearable for their neighbors?

Abba3point7:
U believe a shite called AI but u can't believe the holy book and you think you are smart nawa for u oo

I'm failing to understand what makes the bible holy

@ lawani
Your response!

MaxInDHouse:
What do you expect God to do with those who are bent on making life unbearable for their neighbors?

MaxInDHouse:
What do you expect God to do with those who are bent on making life unbearable for their neighbors?

How am I making life unbearable for my neighbors?. I have always been.law abiding. There is nobody on Earth dead or alive that can say I was unfair to them ever but I am a castaway by JW standard. How is that fair?. I don't accept that God is like that

Zionmdde:
In a court case no story sounds stupid. Every story is xrayed with the lens of another story from probably a witness. If no story or evidence or established law contradicts that stupid story, then the story teller will walk free.

I have been clear from the beginning, every belief on creation is purely subjective, do what you want to do with that
And yes the Bible is my own truth. It's laziness for someone who claims he is ignorant in a matter he has keen interest in and yet he cannot do his own research and draw conclusions.
He is just lazying about, looking who other people's belief to criticize

We know your type

Lol… Christian apologists

Stop bullshiting around and trying so hard to sound sensible because you are not no matter how try.

You claim the Bible story is the closest to explaining our origin as humans? That’s according to you….

Now we ask you to make meaning from Adam and Eve story, Noah’s ark and Tower of Babel… but you have been typing epistles upon epistles and yet you haven’t addressed this main issue

Please when are you ready to debate Noah’s ark ?

I challenge you to analyze this Noah’s ark… omoawoke vs Zionmdde

I can create a thread for that and we will talk this talk once and for all?
So why avoiding the issue…. Leave whatever I believe and let’s talk about what the Bible said about Noah’s ark and origin of languages in the world

Until you are ready to talk, you remain a coward and a hypocrite not ready to face the issue

Until then… enjoy more screenshots

lawani:
How am I making life unbearable for my neighbors?. I have always been.law abiding. There is nobody on Earth dead or alive that can say I was unfair to them ever but I am a castaway by JW standard. How is that fair?. I don't accept that God is like that

Answer the question first:

What do you expect God to do with those who are bent on making life unbearable for their neighbors?

FiveFootNinja:
I find it hard to imagine you were just calmly typing "Hot gay bitch", but anyway, you do you. 🤣 🤣

There's a difference between calling something "my truth" and calling something "the truth". The latter suggests an objective fact that is grounded in reality.

Like I said before, I don't have a problem with your faith. I only challenge people when it seems like they want to imply that their belief is objective, which you did when you asked Omoawoke: "what's your own claim that negates THE TRUTH of the Bible" (paraphrased).

Your problem is that you keep falling prey to dichotomous thinking. I.e if it's not A, then it must be B. It's a logical fallacy called False Dichotomy. Google it.

If you're watching a court case, and the defendant cooks up a story that obviously sounds stupid, won't you agree that his story is stupid? Does it mean you really know what happened in the case?

They know it’ doesn’t make sense

And anybody that want to point it out automatically becomes the enemy

Which one is “my truth”. That phrase doesn’t make sense

The guy has been typing epistles and yet haven’t for once addressed the issue
He said Bible is the truth, okay let’s talk about the Bible.. he begins to question me to say my own truth.. okay I said I don’t know anything, come and convince me about the Bible.. he begins to derail from the main issue…

MaxInDHouse:
Answer the question first:

What do you expect God to do with those who are bent on making life unbearable for their neighbors?

Why should we know what God expects to do??
Did he claim to be God?

You are the one who claimed to know, you people are the ones who claimed you have a book written by God on his plans…
Now let’s analyze that book to be sure it is from God… but you begin to run away

And the people actually making lives unbearable for their neighbours are the churches doing vigil and won’t let people sleep…
Those blocking roads to pray
And the ones terrorizing others calling them infidels
They are ones that did crusade and jihad

Mr Atheist, you've been silent all these while avoiding my post but suddenly you reappear from nowhere shey?

Well lawani claims he believes in God it's the Bible God he doesn't agree with so allow him answer the question!

StillDtruth:
You are proving that you atheists are very very foolish indeed for after all you have said, did you deny/counter that A.I is not a toy?

No! 🤣

The next thing you foolishly did was to change post (fallacy) as you could not counter and reverse the burden (another fallacy) stupidly saying "Did Bible fall from the sky??". 🤣🤣

Is this the topic?
No!

Did I say anything here about the bible standing in the sky or on the ground?
No!

But here you are talking foolishly and going crazy ga ga about a toy, a simple toy that cannot work when Nepa takes light and cannot give you food, house, work, wife, children, good marriage, success, peace, great health, love and things money can never buy.

If your god A.I had solved your problems you won't be here bothering and crying and lamenting about the bible.

As you see no one, not to talk of Christians, is here bothering themselves about what your god and blible called A.I is taking care of you atheists. So leave mata.

I’ve read your arguments line by line, to be honest, I don’t think you have enough brain power to think…

Let’s leave religion aside, the way someone speaks and analyze issues can expose their level of IQ…

You jump off track, talk of irrelevant things and compare things that don’t add up…
How did you pass in school (that’s if you did)
If you went through school, I can bet you were below average….
There’s no way you could have been academically sound..

My advice to you, go and rest… leave this thread. Then start developing yourself, eat balance diet, exercise well… and begin to play puzzles or games that improve logical reasoning skills…
And make sure you marry a girl that’s very smart so you don’t born problem to the world

MaxInDHouse:
Mr Atheist, you've been silent all these while avoiding my post but suddenly you reappear from nowhere shey?

Well lawani claims he believes in God it's the Bible God he doesn't agree with so allow him answer the question!

I stopped responding to you, because like I said, many of you lack basic IQ…
I would just join you people with my 12 years old cousin… yet he’s smarter than all you guys..
that I am trying to even converse with you guys… it’s not easy coming down to your level of thinking….

Omoawoke:
I stopped responding to you.

So why responding to me now when the post wasn't meant for you?

MaxInDHouse:
Answer the question first:

What do you expect God to do with those who are bent on making life unbearable for their neighbors?

I have consulted IFA on the issue. IFA said if you plan and do evil consecutively for enough number of times depending on the empathy rank you start from (there are six), you will die from something triggered by your brain and you will stop incarnating as a human being. No hell. It is not right to punish infinitely for finite bad deeds nor is it right to punish unbelief. It is extensively discussed in my forthcoming book. According to IFA, that is how God deals with evil doers. When you do evil while at the lowest empathy rank, you will die and the autopsy will say you were poisoned. Each evil you plan and do drops you one step in empathy rank.

lawani:
I have consulted IFA on the issue. IFA said if you plan and do evil consecutively for enough number of times depending on the empathy rank you start from (there are six), you will die from something triggered by your brain and you will stop incarnating as a human being.

So this evildoers will no longer exist as a human forever right?

MaxInDHouse:
So this evildoers will no longer exist as a human forever right?

IFA said once you die as a result of dropping from the last rank, that is the end, you will not reincarnate again.

lawani:
IFA said once you die as a result of dropping from the last rank, that is the end, you will not reincarnate again.

So it means evildoers will cease to exist as humans right? Psalms 37:9-10

MaxInDHouse:
So it means evildoers will cease to exist as humans right? Psalms 37:9-10

It is not the same as Jehovah witness who don't believe in reincarnation. The spirits of the evil doer will die and all their knowhow will be lost. They will not be able to reincarnate

Omoawoke:
We know your type

Lol… Christian apologists

Stop bullshiting around and trying so hard to sound sensible because you are not no matter how try.

You claim the Bible story is the closest to explaining our origin as humans? That’s according to you….

Now we ask you to make meaning from Adam and Eve story, Noah’s ark and Tower of Babel… but you have been typing epistles upon epistles and yet you haven’t addressed this main issue

Please when are you ready to debate Noah’s ark ?

I challenge you to analyze this Noah’s ark… omoawoke vs Zionmdde

I can create a thread for that and we will talk this talk once and for all?
So why avoiding the issue…. Leave whatever I believe and let’s talk about what the Bible said about Noah’s ark and origin of languages in the world

Until you are ready to talk, you remain a coward and a hypocrite not ready to face the issue

Until then… enjoy more screenshots

I might be a coward and a hypocrite, but I have made your mother scream my name a thousand times. Your sister too can attest what joy this hypocrite brought to her.
Now if you won't bold to say exactly what you belief is the origin of life, then fvck off.
But before then lemme know when your mother wants me again

lawani:
It is not the same as Jehovah witness who don't believe in reincarnation. The spirits of the evil doer will die and all their knowhow will be lost. They will not be able to reincarnate

We call it RESURRECTION so instead of the evildoer coming back to life he is gone forever!