₦airaland Forum

Sleekfingers:
He didn't say 500k . He said, almost 500k.

SAMBARRY:
as in hen and some clowns are still justifying the madness. A couple that cannot afford N200k talk less of N500k what are they doing with 2 children talk more of 3.i was saying it the other day that is condoms, family planning or pregnancy preventing pills not cheaper than N500k and a 3rd child they can obviously not cater for and some sex obsessed fools were saying its not sweet with condom,nor be every withdrawal dey dey successful, how I go dey use condoms with my wife when nor be say na olosho I dey fvck, because poor man nor get money mean say make he nor fvck or born pikin and some stup1d excuses like that. Meanwhile if you check the 2 kids they're likely malnourished and out of school yet they're still having more kids. I no know which kain stupid ass konji dey worry them

Basic123:
When did lawmakers raise Natasha issue on the floor?

Natasha that carried her own matter for head on senate floor,why can't she champion justice for the woman?

Na to dey pick fight with Akpabio since he knew there plenty of OBI and ATIKU slaves that will give are credence.

ClassicEvilSpir:
Why should a poor man even nurse dubious ideas of bringing children into the world? The idiot couldn't even plan ahead, even the woman did not apply common sense. Private Hospitals are profit first. If you don't work in the hospital, you won't understand how people take, or took advantage of the Health Facility generosity; you know Nigerians are evil people naw. They utilized the hospital's services, then refused to pay. Some will even run away.

After poor man and woman don breed, multiply like rabbits, Dem go begin dey curse der children, dey blame them, blame leaders, blame hardship for their dumb decisions. Fk poor fertile people for stunting the growth of innocent souls. Fk em, fk em, fk em....

Dogalmighty17:
The question I want to ask is this. Where did his wife do her antenatal? Because one of the things you get to know beforehand during antenatal is if surgery will be scheduled or not. You are even given a date where you come in and this date comes a few days before your EDD.

I know emergency surgery does happen sometimes. But it is very rare.

Let's not sugar coat anything. This man was negligent in every way assuming of course his story should be believed.

OneOnland:
Rather than the said private hospitals then "taking laws into their hands" by being wicked and treating the next patient like some slaughter animal with freedom to die and they don't care, how about collectively seek for effective people identification and a health financial sector that'd provide credits for patients and pay them cash? Wickedness, lack of empathy, rejecting patients without referring them (meaning the patient should go and die) are very rampant in the Nigerian health sector.

Most of Nigerian health workers and private hospitals and even government's are merciless, unhelpful, and it's a fact.

TONYE001:
Could you, please, explain what you mean by "take laws into their hands"?

If after my explanation (and the explanations of others) you still think that health workers are treating "the next patient like some slaughter animal animal with freedom to die and they don't care...," then I think you need to reconsider your position as your attack is wrongly directed. Maybe aiming your shots at the government would be a fine, perfect start.

As someone pointed out earlier, referral is different from rejection. NO HOSPITAL OPERATED BY A LICENSED MEDICAL DOCTOR REJECTS A PATIENT JUST LIKE THAT. If a case is reviewed and it is determined that the hospital does not have the manpower or materials to manage the case, the only available option would be to stabilize and refer to a better-equipped facility. This is how referral works.

And, importantly, this other thing you wrote, "how about collectively seek for effective people identification and a health financial sector that'd provide credits for patients and pay them cash?..." IS NOT THE PRIVATE HOSPITAL'S RESPONSIBILITY. It is the government's responsibility to do all of that...to create a system in which patients don't have to pay out of pocket for emergency care....government has made some effort in this regard. In public hospitals, the first 24-48 hours or so, doctors are mandated to provide care (I want to believe this is the case in all centres... I'm sure of FUTH, Owerri). But this package is not available for private hospitals.

I understand your anger. I do, I'm angry and frustrated myself..but not at the hospital. Firstly, I'm frustrated that our government is not doing enough to ensure healthcare is available to Nigerians. I'm disappointed at the husband's narratives as I strongly doubt this is how events happened. I'm also disappointed that Nigerians are unnecessarily emotional, and they already have a dangerous bias against health workers. Today, there are doctors and nurses that go to work scared, some may have developed PTSD as a result of previous experiences....and all of these....na because of say person decide to dey violent mostly out of ignorance.

I hope I've made a fair attempt to answer your questions; good morning.

OneOnland:
You wrote:

"""As someone pointed out earlier, referral is different from rejection. NO HOSPITAL OPERATED BY A LICENSED MEDICAL DOCTOR REJECTS A PATIENT JUST LIKE THAT. If a case is reviewed and it is determined that the hospital does not have the manpower or materials to manage the case, the only available option would be to stabilize and refer to a better-equipped facility. This is how referral works.""""


Perhaps you're living under a rock! Or you don't care about your next neighbors or employees to hear of their experiences at these Nigerian hospitals.

They reject patients often often and often. Not always refer as default.


A family friend who is very rich, but unfortunately lives in small town and is uneducated as well everyone in his family died of recent. How so? He was taken to a government hospital in the town, a small one. His liver got damaged, and after spending more than 26m on rather stupid things like private ward, blood transfusion, and so many things like that for a month+, they rejected him and said his family should take him home and were not able to treat him any longer.

We got into contact with some medical consultants a week ago, and given his medical condition and history as at last in the hospital, they said we should transfer him to a certain hospital in Lagos and had prepared the necessary avenue and so on to conduct a certain surgical procedure on him.

But his situation having been rejected to be taken home had gotten so fatal, he died while on transit leaving young children behind in a very political local family.



I've heard countless times of people saying "hospital rejected so-so person", only in Nigeria. Whatever rock you're living under, get out of it!


And your next point: it is the job of the government to start up health insurance/health credit that would be effective and efficient? So it is the government that started all those loan apps, or the buy phone pay later fintechs. Most Nigerians are heartless and lack sense of responsibility, you exhibit suck trait in great fold.

stormborn28:
Sammy Sammy. I know you too like sweet diick but the only difference between you and those nonentity be say you dey use common sense .. Condom Na method oooo

Kobojunkie:
Country ke, abi people who refuse to take responsibility for their lives and their every decision?

ennon92:
The experience is unpalatable...That's how i lost my twins last year September, my wife gave birth prematurely at home, I wasnt even around cos I travelled so had to tell her to go to her mom's place with my son...She didn't even know it was labor prior to that day tho she was feeling uneasy, it was around 2am she delivered them, thank God she was stayed with her mom, if not how she would have done it by herself and my 3 years old boy...After the delivery, they had to rush her down to MCC but they rejected her outrightly despite how she was bleeding profusely...they were told to go to General Hospital at Akodo or Island Maternity on the island, despite outrageous charges Mother and Child at Abraham Adesanya collected for antenatal yet they couldn't attend to my wife, they had to sent them away..On getting to Island Maternity they discovered one of the twins already died while the second one was refered to Masssey Children's hospital, we stayed there for 25 days, we spent a lot, over 500k, buy these buy that, we paid for oxygen 3k a day, incubator 1,500 a day, and some other mumu expenses, different drugs, injections, blood transfusion nko...omo it was a terrible experience...still lost the other twin, but thank God my wife is hale and hearty now...Person wey hin wife born without stress or difficulty no knw wetin God do am...This country is terrible, nothing is working, just pray you don't have challenges beyond your power, if not eh, u go wail tire,

Dogalmighty17:
The question I want to ask is this. Where did his wife do her antenatal? Because one of the things you get to know beforehand during antenatal is if surgery will be scheduled or not. You are even given a date where you come in and this date comes a few days before your EDD.

I know emergency surgery does happen sometimes. But it is very rare.

Let's not sugar coat anything. This man was negligent in every way assuming of course his story should be believed.

Mathewrichard99:
✓ So much sense in what you wrote here. I think the man was so much into making something out of this. This man started life video recording of his wife immediately they got into a car enroute hospital. He was videoing and assuring her of his love for her and not to leave him alone ......who does this when your wife is in pain and almost at the point of death? Beside the obvious that he should have made arrangements before it got to that critical stage. Pregnancy ain't accidental, it gives you a complete 7 to 9 Months notice....you know it's there and not hidden and shouldn't catch you unaware to the extent of involving Nigerians or government. You impregnated your wife alone and there's ample time for you to make a good arrangement before the due date... I think this man knows at the depth of his heart that the wife would die and he did plan to make a cruise of it by doing Facebook live video so as to get money after her death.......it's nonsense...the man is very stupid....you need to see the video before you think I am heartless.....this man is heartless........

Kobojunkie:
I don't blame the hospitals for the mistakes of the man and his wife. As a matter of fact, I would recommend that the man be investigated to be certain he did not intend to kill his wife and kids in all of this.

torqque7:
✓ Something is surely wrong with your reasoning faculty..so are you saying because he had no money then it was his fault his wife couldn't get help?if that's the way the system worked in the western developed countries then half their population would have been dead by now..it's people with your type of mentality that has made this country this rotten..
So if a boy or a little girl or even an old market woman crossing the street gets knocked down by a speeding car and are rushed to the hospital then they should be ignored until someone pays for their treatment?you better hope you or any of your loved ones don't fall victim to this rubbish you are supporting.

Kobojunkie:
Comparing a pregnancy to an accident already reveals all I need to know about your level of reasoning. I wonder bother engaging at all. 🫤🫤🫤🫤

Kobojunkie:
What exactly will her police do in the case of people having kids they can't afford?

yomi007k:
Yes. Let them make a policy that any man not having up to N500,000 in his account shouldn't try to have a baby . If such man is to have a 3rd child, he should have N1,000,000 or more in his account.

Aspayastudenthu:
➜Sentiment aside, and critically speaking, the healthcare system needs to be more favourable to women and unborn children. There ought to be some placement for this type of situation. Save life first and then don’t forget to educate people and create awareness about this sort of things. You know that most women may fall pregnant over and over again because they are looking for a particular gender or because they want a specific number of kids. And these are some areas that adequate awareness and education can provide help for.
➜Yes men ought to be responsible and accountable to their families -
➜ but no woman should die because of a failed healthcare system.

yomi007k:
➜Yes. Let them make a policy that any man not having up to N500,000 in his account shouldn't try to have a baby . If such man is to have a 3rd child, he should have N1,000,000 or more in his account.

Aspayastudenthu:
Yes men ought to be responsible and accountable to their families - but no woman should die because of a failed healthcare system.
Having a sustainable life requires money - no doubt but money is not the solution here. One could have 1 million but the hospital would demand for 5 million - the challenge is the system not money. For instance, Nigeria ought to be thriving in the Healthcare insurance sector…. Or don’t you think so?

Sentiment aside, and critically speaking, the healthcare system needs to be more favourable to women and unborn children. There ought to be some placement for this type of situation. Save life first and then don’t forget to educate people and create awareness about this sort of things. You know that most women may fall pregnant over and over again because they are looking for a particular gender or because they want a specific number of kids. And these are some areas that adequate awareness and education can provide help for.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid I don't follow.

2. Are women not supposed to be equally responsible and accountable?

3. Are you suggesting that polices be put in place to place responsibility wholly on the Healthcare system and not equally on the individual women themselves?

Aspayastudenthu:
1. Please follow Women are responsible. I said “in such situation” - and to be fair and blunt, I’m not a feminist nor do I believe in the notion of equality. Sorry I said that. Men should be treated as the head of the home.
3. Policies should be holistic. What I mean is ….”in this situation”…. Sorry, I’m not sure what’s your gender cos I didn’t really check but if you are Male, I will like to inform you that nothing beats pregnancy in this world. And no man can even fathom what goes on during the period of pregnancy.
➜ That said, while the holistic healthcare policies covers all human being, pregnant women should definitely be protected at all cost. No matter what that cost might be.

Kobojunkie:
I don't blame the hospitals for the mistakes of the man and his wife. As a matter of fact, I would recommend that the man be investigated to be certain he did not intend to kill his wife and kids in all of this.

ClassicEvilSpir:
Why should a poor man even nurse dubious ideas of bringing children into the world? The idiot couldn't even plan ahead, even the woman did not apply common sense. Private Hospitals are profit first. If you don't work in the hospital, you won't understand how people take, or took advantage of the Health Facility generosity; you know Nigerians are evil people naw. They utilized the hospital's services, then refused to pay. Some will even run away.

After poor man and woman don breed, multiply like rabbits, Dem go begin dey curse der children, dey blame them, blame leaders, blame hardship for their dumb decisions. Fk poor fertile people for stunting the growth of innocent souls. Fk em, fk em, fk em....

Kobojunkie:
1. Well, if you feel the men should be held responsible and accountable, then shouldn't the focus of the polices be the men in this case?

2. Then, shouldn't the primary focus be on educating men on the goings on during pregnancy and all, since you claim women shouldn't be assumed equally responsible? I am having a hard time following your argument is why I keep asking these things.

3. How can you protect pregnant women when the major power over them, according to you, is the man?