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When your God is violent and cruel.

Religion portrays God as a violent and cruel entity who punishes people for unbelief and idolatry. Traditional spiritualities on the other hand portray God as a father of all who is interested in the welfare of his children meaning all of us. Traditional spiritualities are generally in the same approximate format all over the world of having a supreme deity, lesser deities and nature worship, then they have divination systems at different levels of advancement.
When your God is the God of religion with a holy book and who punishes unbelief and idolatry, you are going to have bad results like jihads, crusades, hate killings and etc in your land and justified with God. These things were not justified with God on Earth before the beginning of religion in the first century. Wars in the past before religion used to be only for territory.
We need to reset Earth’s society to what it was before the beginning of religion and where to start from is to impose a ban on the public practice of Islam and Christianity while God the father and Supreme deity is taught in schools to children as a loving father who is not against idolatry or unbelief. He is only against evil doing.
When your God is violent and cruel, your society will also tend to be violent and cruel.

lawani:
When your God is violent and cruel.

Religion portrays God as a violent and cruel entity who punishes people for unbelief and idolatry. Traditional spiritualities on the other hand portray God as a father of all who is interested in the welfare of his children meaning all of us. Traditional spiritualities are generally in the same approximate format all over the world of having a supreme deity, lesser deities and nature worship, then they have divination systems at different levels of advancement.
When your God is the God of religion with a holy book and who punishes unbelief and idolatry, you are going to have bad results like jihads, crusades, hate killings and etc in your land and justified with God. These things were not justified with God on Earth before the beginning of religion in the first century. Wars in the past before religion used to be only for territory.
We need to reset Earth’s society to what it was before the beginning of religion and where to start from is to impose a ban on the public practice of Islam and Christianity while God the father and Supreme deity is taught in schools to children as a loving father who is not against idolatry or unbelief. He is only against evil doing.
When your God is violent and cruel, your society will also tend to be violent and cruel.

Nothing about "Christ"-ianity conveys 'violent and cruel'.

Do your fact checks.

PS: Don't forget the role of symbolism in Scriptural analogies.

PulsingPurple:
Nothing about "Christ"-ianity conveys 'violent and cruel'.

Do your fact checks.

PS: Don't forget the role of symbolism in Scriptural analogies.

But burning people in hell for unbelief and idolatry is even beyond violent and cruel. Isn't it?

lawani:
But burning people in hell for unbelief and idolatry is even beyond violent and cruel. Isn't it?

Okay let me rephrase:

PulsingPurple:
Nothing about my understanding of "Christ"-ianity conveys 'violent and cruel'.

Do your fact checks.

PS: Don't forget the role of symbolism in Scriptural analogies.

Christianity is the lifestyle that is supposedly meant to translate to being like Christ (Jesus) right?
And if you take an unbiased look for yourself it's basically saying love your God, love yourself, love your neighbours.

Can I have any scripture where this Christ we're trying to be like objectively supported 'violence and cruelty'?
And like I said, don't forget the role of symbolism in Scriptural analogies.
I'm not talking of stuffs that that rely solely on symbolism and interpretation, like illustrations, visions.

In summary, the concept of 'hell fire' is a borrowed interpretation for some of the illustrations Jesus made and some visions his disciples had. Hell fire was ancient mythology that was used before Christianity.
The proper interpretation of an afterlife in 'hell fire' is just an afterlife filled with you getting the exact and proper punishment for all the bad things you did, that wasn't settled here on earth. Whatever means might be used to achieve that.
Just like we have the concept of an afterlife in a 'heaven' where we get rewarded for all the good things we did.

So yhh, it's a basic justice system. You reap what you sow. If you don't agree with that, you might want to go around de-establishing the working justice system in your country first.

PulsingPurple:
Okay let me rephrase:



Christianity is the lifestyle that is supposedly meant to translate to being like Christ (Jesus) right?
And if you take an unbiased look for yourself it's basically saying love your God, love yourself, love your neighbours.

Can I have any scripture where this Christ we're trying to be like objectively supported 'violence and cruelty'?
And like I said, don't forget the role of symbolism in Scriptural analogies.
I'm not talking of stuffs that that rely solely on symbolism and interpretation, like illustrations, visions.

In summary, the concept of 'hell fire' is a borrowed interpretation for some of the illustrations Jesus made and some visions his disciples had. Hell fire was ancient mythology that was used before Christianity.
The proper interpretation of an afterlife in 'hell fire' is just an afterlife filled with you getting the exact and proper punishment for all the bad things you did, that wasn't settled here on earth. Whatever means might be used to achieve that.
Just like we have the concept of an afterlife in a 'heaven' where we get rewarded for all the good things we did.

So yhh, it's a basic justice system. You reap what you sow. If you don't agree with that, you might want to go around de-establishing the working justice system in your country first.

What I am against is condemning people for unbelief and idolatry and that is peculiar to Christians and Muslims

PulsingPurple:
Nothing about "Christ"-ianity conveys 'violent and cruel'.

Do your fact checks.

PS: Don't forget the role of symbolism in Scriptural analogies.

Don't you think you're the one that needs to do your own fact check. " Nothing in Christianity conveys violent and cruel'. Maybe throw away the old testament then. Maybe the Inquisitions, witch trials and persecutions somehow conveyed love. Maybe slavery wasn't justified using the same bible.

lawani:
What I am against is condemning people for unbelief and idolatry and that is peculiar to Christians and Muslims

Ohh, I get you better.
I was also laying the backbone of Christianity to address the 'violent and cruel' narrative you brought.

I think in general, the condemnation is not as serious when you understand Christianity a bit more.
I'm not 100% sure what exactly the Qur'an means when it talks about stuff like punishment for infidels and all that, the whole jihad and whatsoever, but I can agree that just as Christians, they've held the opinion that you're either for them or against them, hence, punishment for all unbelievers.

For Christianity, I think we've been wrong in making those extreme assumptions.

First of all, I'd want to from today to maybe look at the Christian God as some sort of logical entity— a very logical one.
So if there's any concern you have where 'God' is doing something 'illogical', then there's something that's not right. There's a flawed understanding somewhere and most times, it's just a result of too many people sharing a common misinformation.

Three things about disbelief and idolatry, as it relates with justice which can tend to be 'violent and cruel' at times:

1. Back then, the kinds of idolatry that was constantly attacked by the Israelites leaned towards the ones with followers that directly mocked God and his people and stood in their way. And also the kind of idolatry that involved identifying as an Israelite (God's own) but bowing to things that weren't 'God'.
The Israelites weren't just on a spree attacking and condemning anything that doesn't worship their God.
2. In the days of Jesus, a new knowledge came.
That was the whole idea that instead of sacrificing and animal to die on behalf of you, for your sins, a saviour had come and he was going to die once and for all for everyone, and we just need to believe that his death cover us and we're done.
Now the idea behind all this is that humans by nature are just inclined to do bad stuff and if there's any sort of judgement, then it'll be logical to find a way and say sorry instead of waiting for judgement and consequences to reach you.
So... If you don't say sorry in the right way, you're not getting thrashed up in hell. You're just going to get the exact punishment for the bad things you did, whatever means might be used to achieve that.
And assuming our afterlife in 'heaven' is real and it's for only God's people, then you won't be there cos you didn't identify as one of us.

What that means is that if our heaven and everything is false, y'all are cool. But you'll only find out after everything.

Which leads to the last thing...

3. The Scriptures teach that to some extent, whenever that judgement is due, you'll be judged according to the laws you were exposed to.

That's to say that for instance if there's a Muslim guy somewhere who killed a lot of 'infidels', who learnt all his life that jihadism is the way and didn't have the slightest hint that he was wrong, he'll be punished less than a guy who had a bit of broad education on the value of life but continued to kill.

That's to say if there's this guy in an isolated corner of the Earth who knew nothing about Christ, but has generally been a good guy, he'll likely not get punished for any reason.
Then maybe if there's a similar guy who knew about Christ but rejected, he'll probably get whatever punishment comes as a result of rejecting Christ, which should be anything bad I guess.

Remember it's all logical justice. The God we believe in is logical so...

And lastly, the whole idea of burning forever is straight up hoax.

Scriptures make me believe we'll receive the appropriate punishment, which is supposed to lead to repentance. Just as a father flogs a child, hoping he'll change.
After the punishment we'll be free to 'go and sin no more', since by that time we should know all our wrongs.

Just basic explanations, of course there's a whole lot of ways to shed light.

But yhh. Long read

Lucifyre:
Don't you think you're the one that needs to do your own fact check. " Nothing in Christianity conveys violent and cruel'. Maybe throw away the old testament then. Maybe the Inquisitions, witch trials and persecutions somehow conveyed love. Maybe slavery wasn't justified using the same bible.

Bro, I was careful to use the word 'Christianity'.

And the concept here is Christians acting 'cruel and violent' to 'unbelievers' as supposedly instructed by the Bible. Or perhaps suggesting that God will act in 'cruel and violent' ways towards unbelievers.

That's what brings the reply: Nothing about my understanding of Christianity suggests Christians should be cruel and violent.
Then I further broke down that the idea of whether God will be 'cruel and violent' depends on the actions of the 'unbeliever', a justice system where everyone (including Christians) reaps what they sow and stand a chance to settle matters here, instead or waiting to be presented to the court.

PulsingPurple:
Ohh, I get you better.
I was also laying the backbone of Christianity to address the 'violent and cruel' narrative you brought.

I think in general, the condemnation is not as serious when you understand Christianity a bit more.
I'm not 100% sure what exactly the Qur'an means when it talks about stuff like punishment for infidels and all that, the whole jihad and whatsoever, but I can agree that just as Christians, they've held the opinion that you're either for them or against them, hence, punishment for all unbelievers.

For Christianity, I think we've been wrong in making those extreme assumptions.

First of all, I'd want to from today to maybe look at the Christian God as some sort of logical entity— a very logical one.
So if there's any concern you have where 'God' is doing something 'illogical', then there's something that's not right. There's a flawed understanding somewhere and most times, it's just a result of too many people sharing a common misinformation.

Three things about disbelief and idolatry, as it relates with justice which can tend to be 'violent and cruel' at times:

1. Back then, the kinds of idolatry that was constantly attacked by the Israelites leaned towards the ones with followers that directly mocked God and his people and stood in their way. And also the kind of idolatry that involved identifying as an Israelite (God's own) but bowing to things that weren't 'God'.
The Israelites weren't just on a spree attacking and condemning anything that doesn't worship their God.
2. In the days of Jesus, a new knowledge came.
That was the whole idea that instead of sacrificing and animal to die on behalf of you, for your sins, a saviour had come and he was going to die once and for all for everyone, and we just need to believe that his death cover us and we're done.
Now the idea behind all this is that humans by nature are just inclined to do bad stuff and if there's any sort of judgement, then it'll be logical to find a way and say sorry instead of waiting for judgement and consequences to reach you.
So... If you don't say sorry in the right way, you're not getting thrashed up in hell. You're just going to get the exact punishment for the bad things you did, whatever means might be used to achieve that.
And assuming our afterlife in 'heaven' is real and it's for only God's people, then you won't be there cos you didn't identify as one of us.

What that means is that if our heaven and everything is false, y'all are cool. But you'll only find out after everything.

Which leads to the last thing...

3. The Scriptures teach that to some extent, whenever that judgement is due, you'll be judged according to the laws you were exposed to.

That's to say that for instance if there's a Muslim guy somewhere who killed a lot of 'infidels', who learnt all his life that jihadism is the way and didn't have the slightest hint that he was wrong, he'll be punished less than a guy who had a bit of broad education on the value of life but continued to kill.

That's to say if there's this guy in an isolated corner of the Earth who knew nothing about Christ, but has generally been a good guy, he'll likely not get punished for any reason.
Then maybe if there's a similar guy who knew about Christ but rejected, he'll probably get whatever punishment comes as a result of rejecting Christ, which should be anything bad I guess.

Remember it's all logical justice. The God we believe in is logical so...

And lastly, the whole idea of burning forever is straight up hoax.

Scriptures make me believe we'll receive the appropriate punishment, which is supposed to lead to repentance. Just as a father flogs a child, hoping he'll change.
After the punishment we'll be free to 'go and sin no more', since by that time we should know all our wrongs.

Yeah I forgot to add immoral. Don't you think preaching that past, present and future sins have been paid for two thousand years ago breeds immorality in the society?. That is what Christianity spreads. I am not a Muslim as I am against both Christianity and Islam. You are trying to dress up for them and that does not solve the problem. The fact is they say unbelievers and Idolators will be punished and that would be unfair and God does not do unfair things. It is high time we all joined hands for the stoppage of Christianity and Islam in public fora. One thing is they end up being cruel and violent because their rendition of God is cruel and violent

lawani:
Yeah I forgot to add immoral. Don't you think preaching that past, present and future sins have been paid for two thousand years ago breeds immorality in the society?. That is what Christianity spreads. I am not a Muslim as I am against both Christianity and Islam. You are trying to dress up for them and that does not solve the problem. The fact is they say unbelievers and Idolators will be punished and that would be unfair and God does not do unfair things. It is high time we all join hands for the stoppage of Christianity and Islam in public fora. One thing is they end up being cruel and violent because their rendition of God is cruel and violent

Okay you had me for a while, then I realised you're fixed on your pre-accepted definition of things, which means it's useless for me to keep on 'dressing' Christianity.
And no, I'm not dressing Islam. You can call it dressing because yes, people have put out the wrong impression if Christianity and I'm only trying to show you my own version (which addresses most of your concerns).

Now, concerning the idea that a 2000 year old death means we Christians can be immoral as we like is another lie, a hoax again.

I'd say again that God is very logical, God also can't be 'used as a fool'.

The idea of the death is symbolic that you won't have to die again for your sins, before that it was common knowledge that "the reward for wrongdoings is death", literally and symbolically.
The plan was simple, someone was sent to replace the countless sacrifices of animals that were made to die on behalf of us, again, symbolism.
Now again, this someone was also meant to be someone who would be able to conquer sin and death so it had to be Jesus. Complex explanations that I shouldn't bother you with.

Now the main thing:

The whole idea of believing and getting saved is not a a yes or no choice and the "salvation" is a whole different topic, not a portal people just use to enter 'heaven'.

It's actions chief.
Let's use this analogy.

You have a distant father who happens to be a chief judge at a court. And a just, unbiased judge too.
The father knows all that you do and the mindset behind your actions.
Whenever you commit a crime and you're brought to court, the whole idea of Christianity is that first of all, accept that this Judge is your father.
Anytime you do something bad he'll sentence you to jail, where you serve your time and then he'll give you sets of instructions on what to do, to make up for your wrongdoings.
Now if you accept that the Judge is your father and that he's set aside some money to bail you out, good. That's the concept of Jesus' death.
Yes you'll be sentenced by your own dad cos he's unbiased, then he will still bail you out.
This doesn't mean you won't have to do the other parts of the sentence, like community service for instance or returning what you stole if it was a stealing case.

In real life scenario the Christian will try to obey God and do the right things and things that He instructs, and in the process he'll be paying for his sins even after being forgiven. That's logical. Track the stories of His own disciples suffering for him, to work for their salvation and to work to earn something superior as extra rewards. Then you'll see how Paul who became a disciple suffered more possibly because he had more sins to work for, even after getting the baseline forgiveness. And Paul was aware of this fact and talked about it too so no guesswork here.


The idea of Christianity you have is that since you're the child of the Judge, He'll give you a waiver that allows you to skip justice forever which is false.

You only get unlimited bail which comes only after you express that you're sorry and He sees your heart which means that anyone just saying it without actually meaning it is just wasting time and will receive punishment for that sin when time comes.

So Christianity entails trying to transition from a normal life (likely full of sin) to a life where you are like Christ. Good and loving.
Along the way there's unlimited slots to get help, get forgiveness whenever you backslide, with hope that you'll be a better person soon.

Any other thing is a lie.
Any plans to evade justice will be seen cos God sees the the intentions in the heart of man.

That's as far as I can go.
You'd have observed by now that I'm taking time to write my replies.

If you choose to accept with the version of Christianity in presenting (which is very probably through Scriptures), then it'll address all your complains.
It doesn't mean you have to believe in my God before accepting an explanation.

Then also, it's obvious you're not interested in anyone's explanation but just want to be right about your assumption of how someone's religion works.

So... What else? Shalom

PulsingPurple:
Bro, I was careful to use the word 'Christianity'.

And the concept here is Christians acting 'cruel and violent' to 'unbelievers' as supposedly instructed by the Bible. Or perhaps suggesting that God will act in 'cruel and violent' ways towards unbelievers.

That's what brings the reply: Nothing about my understanding of Christianity suggests Christians should be cruel and violent.
Then I further broke down that the idea of whether God will be 'cruel and violent' depends on the actions of the 'unbeliever', a justice system where everyone (including Christians) reaps what they sow and stand a chance to settle matters here, instead or waiting to be presented to the court.

All these are just the typical mental gymnastics to tip toe around facts that cause a dissonance. The examples i gave are literally facts so your original statement can't hold in any way shape or form, no matter how you twist, turn and justify. I also like how you subtly justify and make excuses for genocide and infanticide of innocent people by your god with the last paragraph. Typical! History is there for all to see.

Lucifyre:
All these are just the typical mental gymnastics to tip toe around facts that cause a dissonance. The examples i gave are literally facts so your originals statement can't hold in any way shape or form, no matter how you twist, turn and justify. I also like how you subtlety justify and make excuses for genocide and infanticide of innocent people by your god with the last paragraph. Typical, history is there for all to see.

Ok.

PulsingPurple:
Okay you had me for a while, then I realised you're fixed on your pre-accepted definition of things, which means it's useless for me to keep on 'dressing' Christianity.
And no, I'm not dressing Islam. You can call it dressing because yes, people have put out the wrong impression if Christianity and I'm only trying to show you my own version (which addresses most of your concerns).

Now, concerning the idea that a 2000 year old death means we Christians can be immoral as we like is another lie, a hoax again.

I'd say again that God is very logical, God also can't be 'used as a fool'.

The idea of the death is symbolic that you won't have to die again for your sins, before that it was common knowledge that "the reward for wrongdoings is death", literally and symbolically.
The plan was simple, someone was sent to replace the countless sacrifices of animals that were made to die on behalf of us, again, symbolism.
Now again, this someone was also meant to be someone who would be able to conquer sin and death so it had to be Jesus. Complex explanations that I shouldn't bother you with.

Now the main thing:

The whole idea of believing and getting saved is not a a yes or no choice and the "salvation" is a whole different topic, not a portal people just use to enter 'heaven'.

It's actions chief.
Let's use this analogy.

You have a distant father who happens to be a chief judge at a court. And a just, unbiased judge too.
The father knows all that you do and the mindset behind your actions.
Whenever you commit a crime and you're brought to court, the whole idea of Christianity is that first of all, accept that this Judge is your father.
Anytime you do something bad he'll sentence you to jail, where you serve your time and then he'll give you sets of instructions on what to do, to make up for your wrongdoings.
Now if you accept that the Judge is your father and that he's set aside some money to bail you out, good. That's the concept of Jesus' death.
Yes you'll be sentenced by your own dad cos he's unbiased, then he will still bail you out.
This doesn't mean you won't have to do the other parts of the sentence, like community service for instance or returning what you stole if it was a stealing case.

In real life scenario the Christian will try to obey God and do the right things and things that He instructs, and in the process he'll be paying for his sins even after being forgiven. That's logical. Track the stories of His own disciples suffering for him, to work for their salvation and to work to earn something superior as extra rewards. Then you'll see how Paul who became a disciple suffered more possibly because he had more sins to work for, even after getting the baseline forgiveness. And Paul was aware of this fact and talked about it too so no guesswork here.


The idea of Christianity you have is that since you're the child of the Judge, He'll give you a waiver that allows you to skip justice forever which is false.

You only get unlimited bail which comes only after you express that you're sorry and He sees your heart which means that anyone just saying it without actually meaning it is just wasting time and will receive punishment for that sin when time comes.

So Christianity entails trying to transition from a normal life (likely full of sin) to a life where you are like Christ. Good and loving.
Along the way there's unlimited slots to get help, get forgiveness whenever you backslide, with hope that you'll be a better person soon.

Any other thing is a lie.
Any plans to evade justice will be seen cos God sees the the intentions in the heart of man.

That's as far as I can go.
You'd have observed by now that I'm taking time to write my replies.

If you choose to accept with the version of Christianity in presenting (which is very probably through Scriptures), then it'll address all your complains.
It doesn't mean you have to believe in my God before accepting an explanation.

Then also, it's obvious you're not interested in anyone's explanation but just want to be right about your assumption of how someone's religion works.

So... What else? Shalom

But what I stated is what they preach online, on radio and TV every night and day. My point is that it is immoral to bring up children with the idea that all their sins, past, present and future have been paid for two thousand years ago. It is better to tell them they will pay for every evil they do. It is also wrong to say God hates unbelievers and Idolators to the extent of burning them in hell. These beliefs are affecting the moral fabric of the society as a whole. Those are my points. You are trying to say they don't really mean what they preach but they go about it with all their energy and even employ people to do it. Same with the Muslims. Hate, killings and etc go on by the side. Do you really think it should be allowed to continue?.
The problem is that Christians and Muslims want to be Jews but Jews don't go about threatening unbelievers with damnation. I believe the practices should be curtailed by restricting it to only private homes

lawani:
When your God is violent and cruel.

Your 20,000,000 years Ifá compared to the God of Abraham shows you are just a kid complaining about food shortages when he is doing nothing to support in increasing food supply.
I am still here o anytime you wish to take it up i'm saying it with boldness that all the gods of your ancestors are evil spirits as in demons including your Ifá proof dey yanfu yanfu!

MaxInDHouse:
Your 20,000,000 years Ifá compared to the God of Abraham shows you are just a kid complaining about food shortages when he is doing nothing to support in increasing food supply.
I am still here o anytime you wish to take it up i'm saying it with boldness that all the gods of your ancestors are evil spirits as in demons including your Ifá proof dey yanfu yanfu!

How do you mean I am.just a kid?. I said IFA if compiled will be over twenty million words if not over 100 million while your Bible is less than 800k. I didn't say years I said words. It is to tell you that there is no department of human endeavor that IFA did not speak about. I however I am not here to teach someone belligerent about IFA.
Why do you say Orunmila is an evil spirit?. Orunmila was a man that deserved a Nobel prize for inventing IFA. He is one of the foremost contributors to spirituality. It is not right to refer to his spirit as an evil spirit. I hope you understand

lawani:
How do you mean I am.just a kid?. I said IFA if compiled will be over twenty million words if not over 100 million while your Bible is less than 800k. I didn't say years I said words. It is to tell you that there is no department of human endeavor that IFA did not speak about. I however I am not here to teach someone belligerent about IFA.
Why do you say Orunmila is an evil spirit?. Orunmila was a man that deserved a Nobel prize for inventing IFA. He is one of the foremost contributors to spirituality. It is not right to refer to his spirit as an evil spirit. I hope you understand

Your Ifá and Ọ̀rúnmìlà are evil spirits!

Care to dig deeper?

MaxInDHouse:
Your Ifá and Ọ̀rúnmìlà are evil spirits!

Care to dig deeper?

Explain to us how Orunmila who is respected as a sage by millions is an evil spirit

lawani:
Explain to us how Orunmila who is respected as a sage by millions is an evil spirit

This is Oxford dictionary definition of KNOWLEDGE.

*The fact of knowing about something; general understanding or familiarity with a subject, place, situation.

*Awareness of a particular fact or situation; a state of having been informed or made aware of something

*Intellectual understanding; the state of appreciating truth or information.

The spirituality i subscribe to which is BIBLE teaches me that any other forms of spirituality is scam and falsehood.

Of course i never swallowed that hook line and sinker since Bible itself is a book written by humans like me but one thing i found really strange about the Bible is how it answers questions having to do with our existence on this planet:

*How did life begin?
*Why are we here?
*Why do innocent people suffer?
*What happens when a person dies?
*If everyone wants peace, why is there so much war?
*What will happen to the earth in the future?

There is no form of spirituality that can adequately address these issues like the Bible so i realized that what the Bible says about all other sources of divine guidance is true, they are all scam or falsehood.

But if you disagree let us pick those questions one after the other you should present answers your Ifá gives so that everyone following this thread can verify while i will use my Bible.

Are you ready?

Meanwhile note that despite your Ifá stupidity worshipers of your Ifá still wage war against themselves due to politics but the Bible God said that is because what you people trust is a demon that's only interested in worship but can't help you people!

MaxInDHouse:
This is Oxford dictionary definition of KNOWLEDGE.

*The fact of knowing about something; general understanding or familiarity with a subject, place, situation.

*Awareness of a particular fact or situation; a state of having been informed or made aware of something

*Intellectual understanding; the state of appreciating truth or information.

The spirituality i subscribe to which is BIBLE teaches me that any other forms of spirituality is scam and falsehood.

Of course i never swallowed that hook line and sinker since Bible itself is a book written by humans like me but one thing i found really strange about the Bible is how it answers questions having to do with our existence on this planet:

*How did life begin?
*Why are we here?
*Why do innocent people suffer?
*What happens when a person dies?
*If everyone wants peace, why is there so much war?
*What will happen to the earth in the future?

There is no form of spirituality that can adequately address these issues like the Bible so i realized that what the Bible says about all other sources of divine guidance is true, they are all scam or falsehood.

But if you disagree let us pick those questions one after the other you should present answers your Ifá gives so that everyone following this thread can verify while i will use my Bible.

Are you ready?

Meanwhile note that despite your Ifá stupidity worshipers of your Ifá still wage war against themselves due to politics but the Bible God said that is because what you people trust is a demon that's only interested in worship but can't help you people!

According to my research with IFA

How did life begin?

IFA said we should always know that there is intelligence behind it and we can not know beyond that. IFA said the Odu of the beginning is Osa Ogunda. Action leading to high entropy. All species were teleported here from a habitable planet and that happened on the same day. One man one woman and plentiful other species. IFA says it happens whenever a planet becomes habitable. IFA said the first planet is still going on well and they are our guide. Whatever happens to them is our fate.


Why are we here?

The real world is the spirit world and spirits come here or incarnate to harvest food for their sustenance in heaven. If you do good, hundred years can translate to up to five thousand years for your spirit.

Why do innocent people suffer?

It can be because of their own choices or mistakes. It can also be caused by bad leadership from.either family or government. What the spirit is after is their food. You can also ask why are some people born as imbeciles?. IFA said it is because the spirits don't know the integrity of the fetus. They only know things known to human beings, past or present. So when a spirit is incarnated as an slowpoke, it will just harvest its food at the end of the period and when it is time to delete one incarnation it will delete that one.


What happens when we die?.
The spirit will pick its food and leave. It can also give spirits that do not have incarnation after paying a tax of ten percent to the God grid.

If everybody wants peace why is there war

There are wars on Earth only because we have not crafted out a code of conduct for all to abide by, that everybody agree with. The cold war era was because of that. One of the causes of war is religion.

What will happen to the Earth in the future

IFA said the Earth will continue as it is. If our sun expires another will rise and replace it. Whatever happens to the first civilization is what will happen to us and they are still thriving

How did life begin?
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1

Why are we here?
Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth. Genesis 1:26

Why do innocent people suffer?
Again I turned my attention to all the acts of oppression that go on under the sun. I saw the tears of the oppressed, and there was no one to comfort them. And their oppressors had the power, and there was no one to comfort them. Ecclesiastes 4:1

What happens when a person dies?
For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten. Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun. Ecclesiastes 9:5-6

If everyone wants peace, why is there so much war?
(Satan) was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie. John 8:44b compare to Revelations 12:12; 6:3-4

What will happen to the earth in the future?
For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth.  Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. Psalms 37:9-11 compare to Revelations 21:3-4

@ lawani.

Bible answers to those important questions can be found in any version as in translation of the Bible throughout the world.

So my question is:

Can we get the same answers you gave on this thread from all the Ifá priests in the world?

MaxInDHouse:
@ lawani.

Bible answers to those important questions can be found in any version as in translation of the Bible throughout the world.

So my question is:

Can we get the same answers you gave on this thread from all the Ifá priests in the world?

After my book is published, they will accept it. The book is not yet published. It is one step at a time. If you have IFA, it does not take more than checking by yourself.

lawani:
After my book is published, they will accept it. The book is not yet published. It is one step at a time. If you have IFA, it does not take more than checking by yourself.

So you are the world's number one Ifá man your God will reveal all these things to, shey?

Please how long has these your Ifá being in existence?

MaxInDHouse:
So you are the world's number one Ifá man your God will reveal all these things to, shey?

Please how long has these your Ifá being in existence?

I think anyone with IFA understanding could have done it. That is how it works in the academia. I was worried about a problem and I solved it. It was not easy though. Atimes my spirit would make me wait for a long time for a small information and it would a times also say the information I want is none of my business. In the academia, you must be peer reviewed and whatever you are submitting must make sense to your peers, subordinates and seniors.
IFA has been in existence for over 5200 years

lawani:
I think anyone with IFA understanding could have done it. That is how it works in the academia. I was worried about a problem and I solved it. It was not easy though. Atimes my spirit would make me wait for a long time for a small information and it would a times also say the information I want is none of my business. In the academia, you must be peer reviewed and whatever you are submitting must make sense to your peers, subordinates and seniors.
IFA has been in existence for over 5200 years

The Bible is less than 2,000 years old as at the time the scrolls were assembled in one big volume and in comparison with your Ifá that has 20,000,000 words the Bible is just 31,200 words found in 1,189 chapters as written in 66 schools by 40 men.
The earliest scroll dated less than 4,000 years yet it has been compiled since 1900 years ago and distributed globally as billions of copies has been sold.
This book has answered all those questions and not only that it could be further expatiated for interested persons that's the big difference between God's word (Bible) and man's fabrication!

MaxInDHouse:
The Bible is less than 2,000 years old as at the time the scrolls were assembled in one big volume and in comparison with your Ifá that has 20,000,000 words the Bible is just 31,200 words found in 1,189 chapters as written in 66 schools by 40 men.
The earliest scroll dated less than 4,000 years yet it has been compiled since 1900 years ago and distributed globally as billions of copies has been sold.
This book has answered all those questions and not only that it could be further expatiated for interested persons that's the big difference between God's word (Bible) and man's fabrication!

You are wrong about the wordage of the Bible. Go and check again

lawani:
You are wrong about the wordage of the Bible. Go and check again

Ọmọ stick to what you know i'm talking about my own book the Bible not some anonymous Ifá that can't be verified.
It's 31,200 words.

lawani:
But burning people in hell for unbelief and idolatry is even beyond violent and cruel. Isn't it?

You are burning in hell because of you are ungrateful, evil, blasphemous people.who deserve to be burnt again and again and again forever.

Because of you know you would be punished for your idolatries and witchcraft you decided to make it worse by blaspheming God.

Do note that it is written that if idle words are punished, how much more your blasphemy.

God shall surely punish you and you will forever regret your birth

lawani:
Religion portrays God as a violent and cruel entity who punishes people for unbelief and idolatry.
Traditional spiritualities on the other hand portray God as a father of all who is interested in the welfare of his children meaning all of us

StillDtruth:
Because of you know you would be punished for your idolatries and witchcraft you decided to make it worse by blaspheming God.

Do note that it is written that if idle words are punished, how much more your blasphemy.

God shall surely punish you and you will forever regret your birth

I beg your pardon. All I am trying to do is to do my bit in bringing back human civilization from the brink. There were no wars fought for God before Paul the Apostle started preaching the doctrine of his sect of Judaism to Gentiles. The most likely thing that can cause a nuclear war today is religion. Why can't we just go back to the days when each culture practiced its spirituality in peace with nobody breathing down their necks?. Why?

lawani:
I beg your pardon. All I am trying to do is to do my bit in bringing back human civilization from the brink...

Taking man back to the very things that is all the old paganisms and idolatries and abominations and evils which the very people of old did that made He Who is God to wipe them out after raining down plagues?

It is Written "he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate God love death."

lawani:
There were no wars fought for God before Paul the Apostle started preaching the doctrine of his sect of Judaism to Gentiles.

Please, stop talking rubbish. No where did you see Paul teach Judah-ism. From beginning to the end you see him preach Christ

And no where do you see Christians involved in government to the point that they have guns and nuclear bombs.

It is all you evil people and pagans as proven by the rituals your brothers who are politicians do to attain power to rule over their fellow men