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lawani:
Side track the definition of religion. It does not negate the fact of the harm Christianity and Islam are causing on Earth. Islam and Christianity stand out as the only spiritualities today that people kill for and to spread. That is the issue to be confronted. Religion too is spirituality but only toxic. I and many others don't refer to traditional spiritualities that has always been there as religion.

😂😂😂it is funny how you don't want to learn but want others to learn from you. Oga do you agree with the definition of religion in the screenshot? Yes or no sir? Either you or the screenshot is wrong.

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂it is funny how you don't want to learn but want others to learn from you. Oga do you agree with the definition of religion in the screenshot? Yes or no sir? Either you or the screenshot is wrong.

I have told you that any definition notwithstanding, I and many other people don't refer to traditional spirituality as religion. Religion has holy books that must not be questioned and etc. Traditional spirituality is not about beliefs. They don't drive people in herds. They don't deal in beliefs and etc. If you want to gain your daily bread from it as a priest, you go and learn it like a degree from several masters, then you set up upon graduation. Not different from learning any other trade. You charge your clients like a lawyer. That is not religion. No herding of people with beliefs, no mind control and etc. I don't care about what the screenshot says. I am not going to be lumping toxic spirituality and traditional spirituality together as religion. Sorry. Teach me another thing not something that will make what I am doing more difficult.

I know that religion is about belief in gods by dictionary definition but you can be an atheist and still be acceptable to traditional spirituality

lawani:
I have told you that any definition notwithstanding, I and many other people don't refer to traditional spirituality as religion. Religion has holy books that must not be questioned and etc. Traditional spirituality is not about beliefs. They don't drive people in herds. They don't deal in beliefs and etc. If you want to gain your daily bread from it as a priest, you go and learn it like a degree from several masters, then you set up upon graduation. Not different from learning any other trade. You charge your clients like a lawyer. That is not religion. No herding of people with beliefs, no mind control and etc. I don't care about what the screenshot says. I am not going to be lumping toxic spirituality and traditional spirituality together as religion. Sorry. Teach me another thing not something that will make what I am doing more difficult.

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So you don't agree with the screenshot? Yes or no?

Traditional spiritualities is not about beliefs, you don't believe in a superhuman power?

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂😂
So you don't agree with the screenshot? Yes or no?

Traditional spiritualities is not about beliefs, you don't believe in a superhuman power?

Yes traditional spirituality is not about beliefs. Have you ever seen them threatening unbelievers with hell fire?

lawani:
Yes traditional spirituality is not about beliefs. Have you ever seen them threatening unbelievers with hell fire?

You're deflecting.

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So you don't agree with the screenshot? Yes or no?

Traditional spiritualities is not about beliefs, you don't believe in a superhuman power?

Truthseeker10:
You're deflecting.

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So you don't agree with the screenshot? Yes or no?

Traditional spiritualities is not about beliefs, you don't believe in a superhuman power?

OK I agree with the screen shot but no traditional spirituality is centered around beliefs like the religions. I have explained that I aim to isolate Christianity and Islam because of the harm they do to humanity. That is my initial basis of saying cultural or traditional spiritualities are not religions not that I am fighting the dictionary.
Even science believes in things supernatural now like dark matter and dark energy but there is nothing fantastic that you need to believe before you are acceptable in traditional spirituality

lawani:
OK I agree with the screen shot but no traditional spirituality is centered around beliefs like the religions. I have explained that I aim to isolate Christianity and Islam because of the harm they do to humanity. That is my initial basis of saying cultural or traditional spiritualities are not religions not that I am fighting the dictionary.
Even science believes in things supernatural now like dark matter and dark energy but there is nothing fantastic that you need to believe before you are acceptable in traditional spirituality

😂😂😂thank you for agreeing with the screenshot.
So who Is the God of the traditional spirituality?

lawani:
What sect of religion is yours?. Are you JW?. Even JW says God will exclude crime free unbelievers like me from eternal life. What sect are you that believe God does not punish unbelief?.

You yourself cannot present any part of the bible which said that God punishes because of unbelief.

And see how you Lie even to yourself. "Crime free" you who is guilty of Idolatry and blasphemy, yet you say you are crime free?

Clearly you are suffering from the first part of God's Punishment which we say "whom God wants to destroy, He first made mad".

lawani:
I aim to isolate Christianity and Islam because of the harm they do to humanity.

You can never ever make sense to sensible people because RELIGION is not the cause of violence but POLITICS.

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂thank you for agreeing with the screenshot.
So who Is the God of the traditional spirituality?

Traditional spiritualities despite using different methodologies and speaking different languages don't fight among themselves at all. This shows that they are worshipping the true loving father God unlike religions whose sects fight and kill each other. They are worshipping evil Gods is the right conclusion

StillDtruth:
You yourself cannot present any part of the bible which said that God punishes because of unbelief.

And see how you Lie even to yourself. "Crime free" you who is guilty of Idolatry and blasphemy, yet you say you are crime free?

Clearly you are suffering from the first part of God's Punishment which we say "whom God wants to destroy, He first made mad".

Why don't you name your sect where God does not punish unbelief?. However you said I will be punished for idolatry and blasphemy. That too is bad enough. No sane God will do that. Only a mad God would punish law abiding Idolators. Why did you say I blasphemed?. How did I?. By complaining about the ills of Christianity and Islam?

lawani:
Traditional spiritualities despite using different methodologies and speaking different languages don't fight among themselves at all. This shows that they are worshipping the true loving father God unlike religions whose sects fight and kill each other. They are worshipping evil Gods is the right conclusion

You're deflecting.

So who Is the God of the traditional spirituality?

Truthseeker10:
You're deflecting.

So who Is the God of the traditional spirituality?

That is the true God with several names in different languages Olodumare, Ubangiji, Osanobua, God and etc. God has more than seven thousand names corresponding to languages

MaxInDHouse:
You can never ever make sense to sensible people because RELIGION is not the cause of violence but POLITICS.

Being indoctrinated can make you do bad things. People who stoned Deborah in Nigeria to death were indoctrinated. People who detonate bombs to kill themselves and others were indoctrinated. Only people who are very mature in spirit are free from indoctrination. Politicians use religion, I agree and that is the more reason religion should be eradicated. Before religion was invented, they had to look for other tools

lawani:
Being indoctrinated can make you do bad things. People who stoned Deborah in Nigeria to death were indoctrinated. People who detonate bombs to kill themselves and others were indoctrinated. Only people who are very mature in spirit are free from indoctrination. Politicians use religion, I agree and that is the more reason religion should be eradicated. Before religion was invented, they had to look for other tools

Indoctrination will forever remain until God wipe out false religions but as long as politics is concerned killing of innocent people will continue.
Deborah was stoned to death by zombies who thought they were fighting for God but in reality they are fighting for those ruling over them.
If you are truly educated you should know that judgement is to come from those in authority not mob actions that is why none of those who killed the girl could come out publicly to declare he or she did because the authorities will take him or her in for questioning but is that the case with executioners authorized by the government?
The answer is NO.
If a thief is caught a mob may decide to kill and burn the thief at the stake but can anyone come out openly to declare he or she is part of those who killed the thief?
NO!
Because that's jungle justice.
In fact many Muslims condemned the act while indoctrinated ones don't know where to stand.
So there is false religion which blinds people into doing what they supposed not to do while there is true religion that has no side effects on either the adherents or none subscribers.

Your Ifá is behind the ritual killings of innocent people when they need human sacrifices, that's why they do orò at nights to fetch out olùwọ̀ (unfortunate souls) someone who found himself or herself in the wrong place at the wrong time.

If your Ifá is better than Christianity why do they practice human sacrifices till today?
I know they can't deny this because it's in the "odus" Ifá methodologies.

Is using humans for sacrifice not part of indoctrination?

lawani:
That is the true God with several names in different languages Olodumare, Ubangiji, Osanobua, God and etc. God has more than seven thousand names corresponding to languages

How did you know about him? Does he have a book?

MaxInDHouse:
Indoctrination will forever remain until God wipe out false religions but as long as politics is concerned killing of innocent people will continue.
Deborah was stoned to death by zombies who thought they were fighting for God but in reality they are fighting for those ruling over them.
If you are truly educated you should know that judgement is to come from those in authority not mob actions that is why none of those who killed the girl could come out publicly to declare he or she did because the authorities will take him or her in for questioning but is that the case with executioners authorized by the government?
The answer is NO.
If a thief is caught a mob may decide to kill and burn the thief at the stake but can anyone come out openly to declare he or she is part of those who killed the thief?
NO!
Because that's jungle justice.
In fact many Muslims condemned the act while indoctrinated ones don't know where to stand.
So there is false religion which blinds people into doing what they supposed not to do while there is true religion that has no side effects on either the adherents or none subscribers.

Your Ifá is behind the ritual killings of innocent people when they need human sacrifices, that's why they do orò at nights to fetch out olùwọ̀ (unfortunate souls) someone who found himself or herself in the wrong place at the wrong time.

If your Ifá is better than Christianity why do they practice human sacrifices till today?
I know they can't deny this because it's in the "odus" Ifá methodologies.

Is using humans for sacrifice not part of indoctrination?

In IFA there is order and camaraderie. Tell me how it is possible for a body of Awos containing eminent people to sign on to human sacrifice. Any Babalawo doing human sacrifice will be excommunicated. However the energy of the spirit world can be manipulated by evil people as well. It is like nuclear energy which has uses in peace and war.

IFA on its own is just a well developed spirit language. A part of isese

Truthseeker10:
How did you know about him? Does he have a book?

There are no holy books that must be believed in traditional spiritualities. It is a cultural thing that comes as easily as language

lawani:
There are no holy books that must be believed in traditional spiritualities. It is a cultural thing that comes as easily as language

So how did this information about God and his name get to you?

lawani:
In IFA there is order and camaraderie. Tell me how it is possible for a body of Awos containing eminent people to sign on to human sacrifice. Any Babalawo doing human sacrifice will be excommunicated. However the energy of the spirit world can be manipulated by evil people as well. It is like nuclear energy which has uses in peace and war.
IFA on its own is just a well developed spirit language. A part of isese

When the community declares a curfew saying whoever gets lost at that time has been used by the Orò are you saying only one person is behind it all?

MaxInDHouse:
When the community declares a curfew saying whoever gets lost at that time has been used by the Orò are you saying only one person is behind it all?

Nobody has ever been used by oro that I know of. They only have problem with religionists who are always hell bent on defying them. The oro is just to stop people seeing what they are not supposed to see.

lawani:
Nobody has ever been used by oro that I know of. They only have problem with religionists who are always hell bent on defying them. The oro is just to stop people seeing what they are not supposed to see.

Chai this guy, do you think you're chatting with a kid?
Ọmọ i'm from the interior and i know a lot about traditional rites.
In fact each time a king dies his heart is to be roasted for the next king to eat and it's not condemned by your Ifá.
So stop lying it won't help your ministry!

lawani:
Why don't you name your sect where God does not punish unbelief?. However you said I will be punished for idolatry and blasphemy. That too is bad enough. No sane God will do that. Only a mad God would punish law abiding Idolators. Why did you say I blasphemed?. How did I?. By complaining about the ills of Christianity and Islam?

Have you not just abused God by calling Him Mad?

As I have said God would punish you both now and forever a punishment which has already begun hence your present madness but more evils shall follow you, all the days of your life, till you are cast into hellfire to burn there forever.

Perhaps i should remind you of Oníkòyí the criminal who according to your ifá is now a god/saint in heaven that we can now pray to for help!

Question!

MaxInDHouse:
Like what exactly did they do?
Entertainment, terrorist activity, robbery, fraud, riches, beauty and other weird things. I remember a man in the Odù known as "Oníkòyí" his ifá is called "Ògúndábèdè" he lived as a warrior and thief, according to his oríkì when leaving home he goes with a lot of treasures so that whenever he comes in contact with a warrior greater than him he negotiates with such a person but whenever there's no one to contend with him he steals and kills bringing spoils back home.
Till today Oníkòyí is remembered for his territor and robbery.
Do you agree that he is now one of the famous gods in heaven now?

Answer!

lawani:
If you call upon him he will help you and he might even be currently incarnated. Any spirit you call upon will help you. Spirits will often help their family members or people in their lineage over others but if you call upon them based on what they did during a certain incarnation then they will help you

However evil doing ends on Earth. There is no evil doing in heaven

So there is nothing bad in being evil since everyone will later become saints in heaven even though evildoers they were here on planet earth but in heaven they will become saints and be in a position to help righteous souls on earth!

MaxInDHouse:
Question!


Answer!


So there is nothing bad in being evil since everyone will later become saints in heaven even though evildoers they were here on planet earth but in heaven they will become saints and be in a position to help righteous souls on earth!

There is everything bad in being evil because when you do evil you drop in empathy rank and that draws you closer to elimination from heaven. Also if you do evil often it will become your expertise and when you are incarnated other spirits will be planning for you to be eliminated through debate.
Spirits can help people with anything and it is not because they are saints. Everybody is well behaved in heaven because there is no allowance to do evil. Spirits can help you with practically anything but they often restrain themselves.
In short if you are prone to evil doing there is no way you can in the long run escape elimination from heaven

lawani:
There is everything bad in being evil because when you do evil you drop in empathy rank and that draws you closer to elimination from heaven. Also if you do evil often it will become your expertise and when you are incarnated other spirits will be planning for you to be eliminated through debate.
Spirits can help people with anything and it is not because they are saints. Everybody is well behaved in heaven because there is no allowance to do evil. Spirits can help you with practically anything but they often restrain themselves.
In short if you are prone to evil doing there is no way you can in the long run escape elimination from heaven

The highlighted shows you've been lying all these while because in our previous discussion you said Oníkòyí (Ògúndábèdé) is now a saint in heaven and i should pray to him for help.
So can you now correlate what you just typed up here with what you told me earlier today about being evil on earth?

Remember that Oníkòyí (Ògúndábèdé) was a renoun bandit who became rich and famous through robbery.

So go ahead i'm reading your next post!

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted shows you've been lying all these while because in our previous discussion you said Oníkòyí (Ògúndábèdé) is now a saint in heaven and i should pray to him for help.
So can you now correlate what you just typed up here with what you told me earlier today about being evil on earth?

Remember that Oníkòyí (Ògúndábèdé) was a renoun bandit who became rich and famous through robbery.

So go ahead i'm reading your next post!

Elimination from heaven happens only when you do evil or lose a debate at the lowest empathy rank. It does not happen automatically when you do any evil. For any habitual evil doer, elimination will be unavoidable in the long run but it may not be in a single life time

lawani:
Elimination from heaven happens only when you do evil or lose a debate at the lowest empathy rank. It does not happen automatically when you do any evil. For any habitual evil doer, elimination will be unavoidable in the long run but it may not be in a single life time.

So back to what your earlier statement that being evil now doesn't automatically mean you can't become a benefactor spirit saint in heaven, right?

MaxInDHouse:
So back to what your earlier statement that being evil now doesn't automatically mean you can't become a benefactor spirit saint in heaven, right?

I said evil doing ends on Earth. You can't be evil in heaven. Any spirit you pray to can help you if it is still alive in heaven

lawani:
I said evil doing ends on Earth. You can't be evil in heaven. Any spirit you pray to can help you if it is still alive in heaven.

OK so it's not only on earth that people can die there is death in heaven too shey?

MaxInDHouse:
OK so it's not only on earth that people can die there is death in heaven too shey?

Light spirits (Spirits with no incarnation can die through human actions). They usually die while helping human beings while heavy spirits only die when they drop from the last empathy rank by debate loss or by doing evil