₦airaland Forum

"Mistaken and misguided faith position".The right word for the kind of attitude.

ejimatic:
Nigerian Constitution respects people's faith and their decisions on health matters. As for the minor children their parents' decision is binding on them.However if the child is 14 or 16 ,he has becomes a minor adult who can speak for himself. A lot of judgements in Nigeria up to Appeal Courts and Supreme Court have been given to support the right of Jehovah's witnesses to practice their religion according to their conception including their objection to blood transfusion.

Modern medicine has gone beyond blood transfusion because of the risks it possesses.Bloodless surgeries are most preferred by many doctors both abroad and in Nigeria. A woman who is a JW was operated upon some weeks ago in Nigeria.She is hale and hearty after the bloodless surgery.
Let us see what we happen after this exparte order by the magistrate who seems not to be aware of the extent judgements in related cases in Nigeria

U are boldly ignorant

TOPCRUISE:
If the Parents forcefully reject and refuse to comply to Court judgement leading to the Child’s death the Court should uphold death sentence against them

I agree, but that is medicine after death... The imperative here is to save life and respond to other stuff later.

TONYE001:
Every medical intervention has got its own hazard, or side effects, or complications...blood transfusion included.

But guess what? Most times, these complications don't arise. Before surgery, patients are made to sign a written informed consent, they are also counseled on possible complications. Most times, these complications do not arise.

The so-called hazards of blood transfusion are not common outcomes. In my practice, in fact, I've transfused MULTIPLE patients. Not up to 5% come down with any form of complication. The ones that did react, a simple intervention with normal saline, hydrocort, promethazine and paracetamol is enough to control such a reaction.

Blood transfusion is safe, very safe. Has it its own complications? Yeah, but they hardly occur.

Thank you ooo Good Doctor

TONYE001:
It is interesting to find that you've managed to arrive at such an absurd conclusion.

Perhaps, not from my post. Maybe you erroneously quoted me.

Yes because you suggested that blood transfussion would save one from a cancer that has already spread.
I'm even more amazed because you sound like a medical practitioner yet, you were silent on how unsafe blood screening and banking is especially in a lawless place with poor inftrastructure like Nigeria where in some cases over 70% of the cells in a pint of blood are dead or compromised due poor handling. Have'nt you seen patients who received timely blood transfussion and still passed?

The life of the child is more important than the parents religious sentiments.

When death occurs they will have the strength to cry, religion have done more psychological harm than Good.. yeah. Well thank God that there is court. Yeah..

ejimatic:
Nigerian Constitution respects people's faith and their decisions on health matters. As for the minor children their parents' decision is binding on them.However if the child is 14 or 16 ,he has becomes a minor adult who can speak for himself. A lot of judgements in Nigeria up to Appeal Courts and Supreme Court have been given to support the right of Jehovah's witnesses to practice their religion according to their conception including their objection to blood transfusion.

Modern medicine has gone beyond blood transfusion because of the risks it possesses.Bloodless surgeries are most preferred by many doctors both abroad and in Nigeria. A woman who is a JW was operated upon some weeks ago in Nigeria.She is hale and hearty after the bloodless surgery.
Let us see what we happen after this exparte order by the magistrate who seems not to be aware of the extent judgements in related cases in Nigeria

Zero IQ is usually the reason for mistaken and misguided faith.

CJStarz:
@achirladey my guy, are you see what I am saw, according to Chief Zebrudaya 😂😂😂

See as their brain dey work?
Maaaa.d Max and his people need mental and religious emancipation.

Loool! Blood is greater than life. That's how their reasoning be.

MaxInDHouse:
In this side of the world people acting on what they have little or no knowledge about is common.
Blood Transfusion is no longer tenable as a safe means of treatment around the world.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLotSbIHSVY?si=ufYjQ189kSCqjx_s

Though God has warned His worshipers thousands of years ago to abstain from blood {Genesis 9:4} stating it'll guarantee good health {Act 15:28-29} but faithless people feels the book (Bible) shouldn't be the sole determinant of whatever they choose to do with their lives as it's an old book written by people they don't know.

Today health practitioners around the world are enlightening their people against the hazards of blood transfusion.

When understanding is far from people, they will misinterprete Scriptures as these ones and their gullible group.

Blood is greater than the life in that religious community of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Their own Bible states.... For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I myself have given it on the altar.

The blood was given on the altar to redeem sinful humans from the wages of sin - death and therefore save their lives.

Blood don't save lives rather it is greater than life in that community

TenQ:
When understanding is far from people, they will misinterprete Scriptures as these ones and their gullible group.

Na person wey sabi go know.

There are modern medical practices that do not use blood transfusion as treatment. That should have been used instead of compelling the parents to do what they chose not to do. Blood transfusion on its own has its dangers

Ucheamani:
Yes because you suggested that blood transfussion would save one from a cancer that has already spread.
I'm even more amazed because you sound like a medical practitioner yet, you were silent on how unsafe blood screening and banking is especially in a lawless place with poor inftrastructure like Nigeria where in some cases over 70% of the cells in a pint of blood are dead or compromised due poor handling. Have'nt you seen patients who received timely blood transfussion and still passed?

I suggested, how? How exactly? And, by the way, in a thousand and one cases (the case I quoted inclusive), receiving blood transfusion when advised would buy a patient more time...whether metastatic cancer or not.

In our system, even though it's true that things are not optimal, in standard hospitals, blood transfusion is actually very, very safe. And, no, 70% of the cells are not dead or compromised as long as the procedure and handling of blood follow standardized protocols (which is what happens even in Nigeria).

Don't try to force a narrative that's distant from my initial post, please. This is exactly what you are attempting to do, and it's not a honest way to hold a conversation.

Thanks.

FireUpNow:
There are modern medical practices that do not use blood transfusion as treatment. That should have been used instead of compelling the parents to do what they chose not to do. Blood transfusion on its own has its dangers

Whatever alternative there is to blood transfusion has its own dangers. EVERY medical intervention has its own dangers.

Emphasis on EVERY.

God, please may that girl live, and be given out for adoption cos the parents never wanted her to live..
Speedy recovery!!!

TONYE001:
Whatever alternative there is to blood transfusion has its own dangers. EVERY medical intervention has its own dangers.

Emphasis on EVERY.

I lost a friend to blood transfusion once. So I am not in support of it at all.

MaxInDHouse:
In this side of the world people acting on what they have little or no knowledge about is common.
Blood Transfusion is no longer tenable as a safe means of treatment around the world.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLotSbIHSVY?si=ufYjQ189kSCqjx_s

Though God has warned His worshipers thousands of years ago to abstain from blood {Genesis 9:4} stating it'll guarantee good health {Act 15:28-29} but faithless people feels the book (Bible) shouldn't be the sole determinant of whatever they choose to do with their lives as it's an old book written by people they don't know.

Today health practitioners around the world are enlightening their people against the hazards of blood transfusion.

Please below;
Genesis 9:2-4
[2]And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
[3]Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
[4]But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
HOW DOES THIS RELATE TO BLOOD TRANSFUSION??
Did you really understand what this verse means or meant to say??
I understood in this, that God has given man dominion over all moving things shall be meat plus the herbs except for human beings!!!!

MagnusPrime:
So it would have been better if that little girl died?

Trust me if your pastor was in that situation, he'd go behind your back get his daughter transfused and keep his mouth shut.

Be smart!

Exactly what goes on in their midst . The person will just come back and tell them he was under a lot of pressure and he made the decision under a lot of stress or not having a right frame of mind. Then plead with the elders

MaxInDHouse:
In this side of the world people acting on what they have little or no knowledge about is common.
Blood Transfusion is no longer tenable as a safe means of treatment around the world.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLotSbIHSVY?si=ufYjQ189kSCqjx_s

Though God has warned His worshipers thousands of years ago to abstain from blood {Genesis 9:4} stating it'll guarantee good health {Act 15:28-29} but faithless people feels the book (Bible) shouldn't be the sole determinant of whatever they choose to do with their lives as it's an old book written by people they don't know.

Today health practitioners around the world are enlightening their people against the hazards of blood transfusion.

Oga shut up

correctguy101:
Even though I have donated blood to save someone (the wife of a dear friend), I would never accept other people's blood. I'd rather I kick jerrycan.

This is not because of faith. It's because of my seemingly silly pride (as one oversabi doctor once called it) I didn't care then, told him I'd rather leave life than to take blood... Na me know the real reason sha, don't ask...

But I've been meaning to ask you HighPriest Max... Why then do JWs do kidney transplant, if they don't do blood transfusion ? I know a man, a JW that recently did it...

Organ transplant like kidney was banned to until they changed it. The litigation will be too much to lift blood ban. They can only say we told our members it is a conscience matter but we know when caught in blood transfusion you are automatically seen as disfellowhipped or disassociated paapaa.

Why take the little girl to hospital in the first place, they should have remained at home and do what the religion permits.Confused and brainwashed set of people.

Axis313:
I wonder what they will tell their maker if the girl eventually die due to their ignorance they called "faith".

FireUpNow:
I lost a friend to blood transfusion once. So I am not in support of it at all.

I'm so sorry about your loss. I'm in no way discarding the weight of the trauma you and your friend's family must have gone through. Please, accept my condolences.

But in truth, losing patients to blood transfusion is not a daily/common event. Just the same way not every patient that takes a particular medication dies....a few, however, may come down with severe complications or lose their lives if they have an unusual, severe drug reaction like Steven Johnson Syndrome or Toxic Epidermal Necrolysis (TEN) seen in the use of some medications.

I advise that should you be found in a situation to consent to the use of blood or blood products for yourself or anyone, try and follow the counsel of your doctor. You and your doctor may explore available alternatives, but know that in the face of an emergency, there may not be enough time for such an exploration.

achorladey:
Loool! Blood is greater than life. That's how their reasoning be.

What do you expect from people wey dey follow man-made doctrine?

Was with a Medical Doctor friend in his clinic way back , soon after our Service year when without waiting for the protocols, a young couple alongside some relatives,rushed in this cute little baby girl who was running a high fever and looking so pale and breathing so weakly.
There was panic and tension. The mother was crying. A quick examination done, my Doctor friend told them the baby needs a blood transmission for starters.
To my greatest shock,the crying mother screamed...'Noooooo! We are Witnesses, it's against our religion '! Boy!!
She held my guy and asked him to seek alternative way to save her baby. My friend had to refer them to a bigger hospital but tell you what! Before they left the clinic,the baby demised! That was 22 years ago!
She would have been a beautiful grown up woman by now.

Very sad situation when people put their wrong beliefs before life.

TONYE001:
I'm so sorry about your loss. I'm in no way discarding the weight of the trauma you and your friend's family must have gone through. Please, accept my condolences.

But in truth, losing patients to blood transfusion is not a daily/common event. Just the same way not every patient that takes a particular medication dies....a few, however, may come down with severe complications or lose their lives if they have an unusual, severe drug reaction like Steven Johnson Syndrome or Toxic Epidermal Necrolysis (TEN) seen in the use of some medications.

I advise that should you be found in a situation to consent to the use of blood or blood products for yourself or anyone, try and follow the counsel of your doctor. You and your doctor may explore available alternatives, but know that in the face of an emergency, there may not be enough time for such an exploration.

Noted with thanks 👍

MaxInDHouse:
In this side of the world people acting on what they have little or no knowledge about is common.
Blood Transfusion is no longer tenable as a safe means of treatment around the world.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLotSbIHSVY?si=ufYjQ189kSCqjx_s

Though God has warned His worshipers thousands of years ago to abstain from blood {Genesis 9:4} stating it'll guarantee good health {Act 15:28-29} but faithless people feels the book (Bible) shouldn't be the sole determinant of whatever they choose to do with their lives as it's an old book written by people they don't know.

Today health practitioners around the world are enlightening their people against the hazards of blood transfusion.

Did god say you should abstain from Blood transfusion? The abstain from blood means do not eat blood or eat an animal that is not slaughtered. Cannibalism involves eating human beings which is a sin. But you can accept organ transplant which is not a sin. If you can accept organ transplant then what is the difference with blood transfusion?

unscripted:
their faith , not the little girls faith ,, the authority on health issues in nigeria has recomended blood transfusion to save her Life .. this is what matters in this issue.

I agree.

But this is the girl's father and not some random person who made the decision.

Ucheamani:
Yes because you suggested that blood transfussion would save one from a cancer that has already spread.
I'm even more amazed because you sound like a medical practitioner yet, you were silent on how unsafe blood screening and banking is especially in a lawless place with poor inftrastructure like Nigeria where in some cases over 70% of the cells in a pint of blood are dead or compromised due poor handling. Have'nt you seen patients who received timely blood transfussion and still passed?

You are ignorant! Blood transfusion has saved millions of lives from untimely death. Even your anitbiotics or malaria drugs have side effects and you are pre-warned. So cos of the possible side effects of anti-biotic you'll assume it is unsafe to take them?

Make it make sense!