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MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said he is one with God because it was difficult for his listeners to believe in his teachings which contradicts the actions of former prophets.
So for them to know that God is behind Jesus he performed the greatest miracles ever recorded in the Bible.

That word "One with God" simply means he has God's backing not that he is the same as God.

The assignment given to John is what he said it's from heaven not John the son of Zachariah while Jesus has no human father.

Deuteronomy 13.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said he is one with God because it was difficult for his listeners to believe in his teachings which contradicts the actions of former prophets.
So for them to know that God is behind Jesus he performed the greatest miracles ever recorded in the Bible.

That word "One with God" simply means he has God's backing not that he is the same as God.

The assignment given to John is what he said it's from heaven not John the son of Zachariah while Jesus has no human father.

If he had God's backing, why would he be going against God's divine commandments?

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said he is one with God because it was difficult for his listeners to believe in his teachings which contradicts the actions of former prophets.
So for them to know that God is behind Jesus he performed the greatest miracles ever recorded in the Bible.

That word "One with God" simply means he has God's backing not that he is the same as God.

The assignment given to John is what he said it's from heaven not John the son of Zachariah while Jesus has no human father.

Just like Perseus and Hercules...all hallmarks of Roman and Jewish myths.

Thankgod89:
I’ve mentioned before that I’m not a fan of debating whether Christ is God or not. I only chose to engage in this discussion because I had some free time. But now, I’m stepping away from it. You’re free to call Jesus whoever He is to you.
Thanks.

So there is no reference where Jesus claimed to do his own divine will in the bible?😂

QuinQ:
Why not tell us since you're one human who fully understands the nature of God

You are the teacher here. Tell us.

QuinQ:
🤣😅🤣😅 No, it meant He was same as Moses

ok😂.....thank you.

sonmvayina:
Just like Perseus and Hercules...all hallmarks of Roman and Jewish myths.

Go and worship whatever you believe with your fellow believers!

THE RIGHTEOUS ARE CO-HEIRS TO THE THRONE OF GOD THE FATHER IN HEAVEN. JESUS IS A MIRACLE ON EARTH AND GOD IS THE ANSWERED PRAYER IN HEAVEN.

Ruke1991:
Why do your wife ask you for money when she is not your child but an adult and partner not servant in your marriage relationship? It's all about submitting to your office as head of the family, it doesn't mean she can't bypass you to spend her money. but she shows her loyalty and commitment to you by letting you decide for the family how financial resources are spent, she lets you have the lead in everything just because you are head of family. That's what we call submission. As a stubborn human being that most of you are that refuses to honor or submit to another human just because you have small money or can speak small English, you cannot understand the concept of trinity. Except you have an ideal godly family or an ideal Christian church where submission and rmutual respect exists between the head and other partners, you can never understand trinity

This analogy is off by a country mile. Jesus Christ can't bypass God.

MaxInDHouse:
Go and worship whatever you believe with your fellow believers!

Lol..worship something?? Why?
When I am God just having a human experience...I am enjoying the ride, because I am keeping the rules of existence...

And the universe has been blessing me.

MaxInDHouse:
Where most people don't notice is the past tense used in the Bible:


John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ‭NIV‬


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. KJV


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. NWT

None said "the word is God" rather they all said the word WAS God.

WHY?

Because Jesus is the prophet who came in the manner of Moses {Deuteronomy 18:18} and Moses WAS a God! Exodus 7:1

The verb "was" is used, implying a state of existence before being manifested in Jesus. It is consistent with the earlier "WAS the word".

The use of theos in John 1 for Jesus is not the same with that of Moses. The word God in John 1 is saying that the Word is of the same Divine nature as God with whom the Word was with.

MaxInDHouse:
John explained no man has seen God at any time but Jesus through his words, thought and actions explained God {John 1:18} this means all the qualities of God could be seen in Jesus because unlike other prophets who were imperfect humans Jesus is a perfect being like the first man Adam {1Corinthans 15:45} so he possessed all the qualities we need to see in God just as Adam had before he rebelled against God. Luke 3:38


Preparing the way for Jehovah (LORD in KJV) means it's time for the Jews to know all the qualities of God through the Christ not that Christ is Jehovah.
Remember who has not known Christ has not known all the qualities of God! John 1:18

You write all this about Jesus yet somehow JW still have you believing He was just a prophet (messenger, servant) like Moses. Which of these qualities did Moses possess? Did Moses ever come close to saying anything like these about himself? Would he even allow anybody to say any of these about him?

As for John TB, nope, by "Lord" he was referring specifically to Jesus. He then went on to say he was not fit to untie His shoes. Study that chapter. This was a mighty prophet they were saying was Elijah saying he was not fit to untie another prophet's shoes. Does that make sense to you?

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sonmvayina:
All this stories were written after Nicaea, probably by Eusebius the master forger. He is the one who wrote the history of the church. In it, he even said he never cared about the truth, he was only concerned with making a people believe.

This is what Isaiah wrote....this is what you get when you follow a mistranslated version.

Did Eusebius also make up Edict of Milan? Persecution of Christians? Gradual conversion of Constantine's household and generals until he was odd man out? Other churches outside Rome and Paul's letters to them? That Eusebius can write oo! What other masterpieces did he produce? And who commissioned him or what was his motive to do this master work? It can't be the emperor because he wrote that the emperor was no god at all but just another lowly sinner in need of salvation. It can't be Rome because he wrote that all their mighty gods were trash and that they cruelly crucified his master creation, Jesus! So who exactly commissioned this our genius?

As for Isaiah, go study ALL his writings and other prophets and come tell us it was all about Hezekiah (see below). Example, when he prophesied this about JohnTB:
“A voice of one calling in the wilderness,
‘Prepare the way for the Lord,
make straight paths for him.’”

Sand2022:
The verb "was" is used, implying a state of existence before being manifested in Jesus. It is consistent with the earlier "WAS the word".

The use of theos in John 1 for Jesus is not the same with that of Moses. The word God in John 1 is saying that the Word is of the same Divine nature as God with whom the Word was with.

He was a spirit being like God the same nature of angels.

QuinQ:
You write all this about Jesus yet somehow JW still have you believing He was just a prophet (messenger, servant) like Moses.

That is what a born again Christian (Peter) said o! Act 3:22

MaxInDHouse:
That is what a born again Christian (Peter) said o! Act 3:22

Is this the same Peter that confessed Christ in Matthew 16:16-17 or another one?

Truthseeker10:
You are the teacher here. Tell us.

No sir, I already said humans lack the capacity to fully grasp the nature of God - except you. So go ahead and teach us

Truthseeker10:
ok😂.....thank you.

U quite welcome. He was EXACTLY same as Moses except that he was sinless and interchangeable with God

Brenbentondiaz:
This analogy is off by a country mile. Jesus Christ can't bypass God.

You need to read to understand rather than reading to argue. In the Godhead, unity is the key. The father doesn't dishonor jesus like you are doing despite being the head of the Union. Jesus doesn't dishonor the father. Neither does the holy spirit contravene the purpose of mission of Christ. These three have one mind, one purpose and pursue one cause. None abuses the office or privileges. You are only thinking the way you do because you are a man bound to abuse any privileges or office or power at your disposal no matter how little. That's why you cannot comprehend the concept of the father honouring Christ and Christ honouring the father and both working as one

QuinQ:
Is this the same Peter that confessed Christ in Matthew 16:16-17 or another one?

He called Jesus the Christ (Son of God) not God! Matthew 16-17
For centuries the Jews has been waiting for any of their prophets who will prove to be the promised Messiah (Christ) has prophesied by Moses. Deuteronomy 18:18
This promised Messiah will be a perfect human just like Adam who is the image of God! Luke 3:38
That's why Peter could tell his listeners that Jesus is the prophet who is to come in the manner of Moses. Act 3:22

MaxInDHouse:
He called Jesus the Christ (Son of God) not God! Matthew 16-17
For centuries the Jews has been waiting for any of their prophets who will prove to be the promised Messiah (Christ) has prophesied by Moses. Deuteronomy 18:18
This promised Messiah will be a perfect human just like Adam who is the image of God! Luke 3:38
That's why Peter could tell his listeners that Jesus is the prophet who is to come in the manner of Moses. Act 3:22

You really ought stop this your ridiculous pairing of Jesus and Moses. It is really annoying. No two people can be more different. Can't you see that??!! Also, Moses was servant, Jesus is Son!

You concede Peter revealed Jesus as Son of the living God. Can't you see that son of God is also God and can only be God because God doesn't have son in the human sense??

QuinQ:
Also, Moses was servant, Jesus is Son!

Jesus is God's SERVANT!


The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his SERVANT Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go. ‭Acts 3:13 NIV‬

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus is God's SERVANT!


The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his SERVANT Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go. ‭Acts 3:13 NIV‬

See ridiculous cherry picking of the Bible. Oga the Bible is meant to be taken as a whole. How many times was Jesus refered to as servant? What did Jesus HIMSELF accept as definition of Himself??

Simon Peter answered, “You are the Son of the living God.”
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon bar Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven

QuinQ:
In my version of Christianity we only have one God. How many are in yours?

Did you notice these verses:

Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let US make man in Our image

Gen 3:22 The Lord God said, “Since the man has become like one of US, knowing good and evil, he must not reach out, take from the tree of life, eat, and live forever

Have you asked yourself why those passages used the word, "us". And when you justapoxe it with the book of John, which says

John 1: 1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jesus is the word of God. And has been with the father from the beginning and was involved in the creation

Ruke1991:
Did you notice these verses:

Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let US make man in Our image

Gen 3:22 The Lord God said, “Since the man has become like one of US, knowing good and evil, he must not reach out, take from the tree of life, eat, and live forever

Have you asked yourself why those passages used the word, "us". And when you justapoxe it with the book of John, which says

John 1: 1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jesus is the word of God. And has been with the father from the beginning and was involved in the creation

Exactly. There is only one God but with more than one person!
"One God in three persons"

QuinQ:
See ridiculous cherry picking of the Bible. Oga the Bible is meant to be taken as a whole. How many times was Jesus refered to as servant? What did Jesus HIMSELF accept as definition of Himself??

Simon Peter answered, “You are the Son of the living God.”
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon bar Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven

Guy i know you have been taught several dogmas in your religion but now is the time to face reality as found in the Bible.

*Jesus is a servant of God according to the Bible because he was SENT by God. Act 3:26

*Jesus is the only begotten Son of God according to the Bible because he is the only creature God created alone. Proverbs 8:22-30, Colossians 1:15-16

*Jesus was God according to the Bible because he was given the privilege to act as God just like Moses was also given the same privilege. Exodus 7:1

So you need to unlearn and relearn to have the accurate knowledge of God's word that's not based on dogmas!

MaxInDHouse:
Guy i know you have been taught several dogmas in your religion but now is the time to face reality as found in the Bible.

*Jesus is a servant of God according to the Bible because he was SENT by God. Act 3:26

*Jesus is the only begotten Son of God according to the Bible because he is the only creature God created alone. Proverbs 8:22-30, Colossians 1:15-16

*Jesus was God according to the Bible because he was given the privilege to act as God just like Moses was also given the same privilege. Exodus 7:1

So you need to unlearn and relearn to have the accurate knowledge of God's word that's not based on dogmas!

😅 This is beyond RIDICULOUS! Brainwashing is really an amazing thing! Because someone translated Exodus 7:1 as "I have made you LIKE god over Pharoah" that equates to all the places all over the Bible Jesus is acknowledged as God the son of God. AMAZING!
Oga, Emmanuel - God Himself (God the son) came and dwelt amongst men for a bit. No one was like Him before that, and no one can ever be like Him ever again.
You see brainwashing eh, no be small thing!

QuinQ:
Jesus is acknowledged as God the son.

Please can you quote where highlighted is found written in the Bible?
Thanks in advance!

sonmvayina:
All these stories were told to you by Christians/Catholic. Everything is forged.
Isaiah 9 that you quoted, I don't think you even read it yourself. You won't have even referenced it.
"For to us A child is born"
The child has already been born. Infact he was 6 years old when Isaiah wrote those. Isaiah was already seeing the child. He was a young boy....he would be future king. He would rule probability after his father died and there would be peace during his reign.....
The person in question is future KING HEZEKIAH his father was king Ahaz, who was hated.

So what's the meaning of Hezekiah? Which of those seven names is associated with Hezekiah?

The greatness of Hezekiah empire, reign and peace has ended long ago. Yet the verse said the dominion will never end

Is Hezekiah the mighty God? Is it safe in Jehovah witness to call men such as Moses and Hezekiah a God or the mighty God, but an offence to call Jesus God?

Do you even know the meaning of prophecy? A man who tells stories of what has already happened is not a prophet? This kingdom hall perspective will stripe off the prophet title from Isaiah. It will make him a mere story writer but not prophet

gohf:
I can take this as you do not want to answer or you don't have any answer to the questions I asked you.

The Holy Spirit is one, he doesn't reveal contradictory things as God is not an author of confusion. If you pretended to agree with me that has nothing to do with me but with you. If you don't want an argument or a debate, then you would answer the questions honestly and according to what is written.

It may be okay to you for people to believe and know a lie but a lie won't set people free and for me it isn't okay for people to teach and preach what contradicts the truth. I understand the deception played by the devil to let many believe a lie he cooked up, but I don't understand why people feel the need to make a Jesus equal to God or a god.

@underlined - you're wrong it's not people who tried to make Jesus equal to God or a god but it was The Word of God that revealed that Jesus is God and equal to God.

MaxInDHouse:
Please can you quote where highlighted is found written in the Bible?
Thanks in advance!

Can you please tell us if someone can be your son without having your nature (in case.of God, divine nature)? Or be your son and be just a servant?
Thanks in advance!